All right, Sam, I was going through the mail bag people email us questions and there was one that I had to had to bring up. We gotta start with this. So here's the he's here's the email, I see you like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to hear Sam last month, I sold by E compass and recently a startup that I invested went public. I'm in my 30s. I own very little house cars. Nothing I have 53 million in.
Cash sitting in my bank account but I'm not sure what to do. If I do something, it needs to be big, I'm torn between a few options, just put it in the S&P 500 and move on get into real estate. Trying private Equity chasing a billion dollar idea. I've hit three major wins in a row. I exited my company. I invested when you start up and I got really lucky on a real estate deal, but I'm not entirely confident. I can rebuild it from scratch if I lose it. All my life goals are pretty simple. Have five kids, a wife and become a billionaire. I'm currently with someone I'm planning to marry. What do you got for me?
Okay, so let's stop, let's answer this question and then there's someone good, other mailbag questions that we have here?
All right, so let me tell you what. I told the guy I basically said, if you make 50 million dollars at the age of 35 that basically becomes a billion eventually, but that's kind of irrelevant. But like I think that's a dumb goal to become a billionaire or want to become a billionaire. I think you should do what you love every after you have that much money but if you want to become a billionaire, you will. But what I told him was basically, I think he should put most of
It actually into a high yield savings account, or just like some type of, like, short-term treasury note, or something like that. And just sit for 6 to 12 months and do nothing except read and have conversations with interesting people and that actually six to 12 months that may take 36 months that might actually Take 5 or 10 years, but whatever you want to do, I, my opinion is you should plot and read and talk and only do something if you're obsessed with it. And oftentimes when you make a lot of money,
You get bored and because of that, you start kind of. It's like, it's like falling in love with someone when you're like really horny. It's like, dude, you don't actually love that person. You know what I mean? Like, don't actually do it. It's so, I think what you have to be really intentional about, what's next project that you do, and you don't give yourself a timeline, but you sit and you read and you wait for it to happen. So with the money, I would do some type of high yield savings account for like six months and then eventually I would do 80/20 SP bonds. I would try to live off three percent of that money and then I would just plot and
wait until that one thing I find and then I would take a percentage of the money. Like for example, let's say that you're comfortable living off of a 1.5 million dollars a year. You take how much you need in the SP to live off that and the rest, you are willing to allocate towards your big dream and new adventure.
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All right. I like the advice. Here's an analogy. Here's what I would tell this person. Do we have a name for the sister? Would, they don't want their name out there. Let's call it Derek. Okay, Eric. All right, Chuck. Here's the deal. Here's an analogy for you. You've got a beautiful big-screen TV, beautiful 96 inches. It's an enormous beautiful, plasma retina, whatever the display is, but it seems to be like behind the TV. You have what a lot of us. Have you got the cables all? Tangled up?
And the reason I say this is because you asked one question that's actually five questions, probably at one. So let's separate Out start to pull the tangles on these cables that are stuck behind the TV. So, 11 cable is, what do I do with this cash? Meaning, I've got cash, sitting account, should I just leave it? There were doing do something with this money. There's another one. Which is, what do I do with my time? Those are two separate questions because when you get rich, the point of getting rich in a way, is to separate the questions of what do I do with my money? What do I do for money? And what do I do with my time? Those are now separate questions for you.
Before when you have no money, they're the same, you work. He's put your time in, that's how you get the money out. Then you have a third, third question, which is one of my actual goals. So he said my goals are to have five kids have a wife and a half a billion dollars and have have have, I don't know, very many, happy people who got happy because they they acquired things, they have things they have
caused. The kid thing might be different. I think you could acquire a kid to be happy. Actually,
I don't think so either.
Think life is a lot more about figuring out what you love to do, where you feel most useful and, and who you want to become a more important than the things that you end up doing. So I think I would, I would ask a question, which is, what are my actual goals and never use the word actual is a loaded word because usually we have these goals that we just borrowed from others, either from our parents from society, from the movies from newspapers, these goals that that are there's a we make them ours.
It's a goal you had 10 years ago but you're not the same person you were 10 years ago when I had this episode. Mike Posner. He's like dude, I was in my twenties, all I wanted to do was get rich, get famous, be successful, be respected, he's like, and then I was in my 30s, I was doing things that would give me those things, but that's not what I wanted anymore. I was living the dreams of 21 year old me rather than than thirty one-year-old me who actually had new dreams. And I said I needed to update that I didn't update this sort of motivational thing. On the poster is another great question which is it might he says something like I
If I'm doing something I got to be huge and anytime I hear that there's usually like a chip on your shoulder. You probably want to work on the great question here is are you being? Are you driven or are you being dragged? So it's like what was the reason why do I feel the need to do that? Is it to prove something to other people? I talked to a guy who had dinner with a guy who's created a fifty Billion Dollar Plus company is doing a new one. I was like, why are you doing another company? Like stressful hard, you just had kids. Why are you doing this? Because I just want to prove, you know, I need to prove that like it wasn't just a
The first time really that and in my head, I'm
laughing. Because I'm like, proof to who, you know, nobody doubts that you could do this. Like, we're all actually respect and admire you, we think you're amazing. Who are you proving the series? Prove it to yourself. Why do you doubt it? You did it, then doing it to prove something wrong. Our proof. Something right is is sort of a silly way, a silly reason to do something. So anyways my final advice would be I would do nothing financially you know like you said just put in a savings account for a year. I would get a coach to help untangle some of these mental wires that are Tangled Up.
I would get in shape, because when you're in shape all things start to look a little different and I would spend a year with people that you really love helping people and hanging out with them. So, I would find people who need help on go help them. I'd find people who are free. I go hang out with them and I would start to hang out with people who maybe have gone through this season of life, and I think of it like a seasoned. I'd be, I know I had this season of achievement, and I got a season of wandering, but I got to figure out what I'm doing next. Call it that. So you don't feel uncomfortable when you're like, oh man, I'm so unproductive Now, call the season what it is and go hang out with people.
And bake, no decisions until you know, the clarity will show up the worst
thing. This person can do. Well, one of the bad things is person could do is go and buy a bunch of stuff or get himself into situations that can't easily be untied. So for example, I'm mostly followed my own advice. When I kind of had an acquisition, I did one dumb thing, which is I bought some real estate that I was like going to turn into a business and
And I did it like right away and a few months into it. I'm like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing, and I don't like this and it took it took like a year to like unwind all of that, it consumed, my brain and it really mess with me. And so I regret doing that, and I think a lot of people make the same mistakes as a very common mistake, is to go and, like acquire, a whole bunch of stuff which weighs you down and it ruins the whole seeking process.
The only alternative version of that is what you go and you do something for your parents. So like, there's a
Great Clip. We should put the play this clip of Interest even a Smith is the ESPN anchor. He talks about when he first got money and he drives to his mom's. Where's mom worked? And he's like, I went into went into her office and I said, Mom get up, get your bag, we're leaving and I told her boss, she ain't never coming back, he talks about how he retired, his mom on the spot, and I was like, that's a cool thing to do. Pay off your butt, your parents, mortgage, or dad, or something like that. If you're going to do anything, do that? It says, you know, sort of a philanthropy
In your own economy first, is that? That's I think
that's what I did. By the way, we flew my parents first class to Europe and it was awesome. It was awesome. And I have this video of them. My father stood up, I'd like you to hold people hold their phone with two hands. And he like is holding his phone like doing a circle of like and I like taking a picture of like his seat and I have a video of him doing that and that brought me so much. I feel happy that I got that video. That made me
happy. Now the way I got a little hat
That when we sold the milk Road, my mom was on vacation with her all of her siblings. She has like eight or nine siblings and so I got them all like a as I hey have the hotel call and be like your, your massage is ready and call all of the rooms at once, and then they all went down and basically, I've got them all kind of like a day pass at the spot Vegas and it wasn't even that expensive probably a couple thousand dollars. But for my mom it was like having a mortgage paid off in that she felt like, oh my son treated me to something.
But also I got a project. Yeah, I got to brag. My kid is so good. She felt the good. That it was good for everybody. It wasn't just good for her and that, you know, doing something nice for her siblings. Made her feel so amazing.
Yeah. And she could brag that her kid has his shit together and maybe the other ones. Don't someone asked us this question, and it's related to a topic were talking to what's the number one thing that you've read or seen recently? That's why would you I read this book called replay. It's a novel you ever read novels? Yeah.
I'm like bigoted novels that I thought, like, I thought like growing up I was like, it's okay.
What question do you read? Novels like that
dude, I didn't like any of my
levels.
Like I was scarred by like grade school or middle school of like, having to read novels, I don't like. And then I got into the business world. I'm like, oh, we only read, like, Peter, teal books. We don't really think we don't read this nonsense, and then now I've fallen in love with him. So, I love novels, I read this great book called replay it by Ken grimwood. It's about this man who basically dies at the age of 35. And he
Distantly relives, his life over and over and over again. And it's like all like he does everything that you would do. If you could replay your life, which is like, what would you do? You would like Get Rich by buying socks? You probably like, get try to get a ton of girls whatever, but he is able to talk to his parents again, when they were alive. And I read that book recently, right? When I got to that part where he talks to his parents who had died. Now he's reliving his life again, he's able to see his parents. It made me very emotional and I call my parents. I go. Hey, November like forth. What are you doing?
Cool, clear schedule. And so we're taking a big lavish trip together. And so, this is awesome. This book made a really big impact on me because it gave me this idea of like in 30 or 40 years, however, long, it's gonna be well, my parents are no longer alive or whatever. The situation is of like, you cannot do in 20 years. What you can do today. Well, I have regretted, you know, not taking advantage of that period And so I'm trying to, I had made a list. I'm like, here's all the things that 20 years. I'm gonna regret I'm and I'm gonna go go and just
Get it done now, and so that book had a big impact on
me. Oh, that's great. I'll give you a couple Chris Williamson, put a little screenshot sa up that I really liked and he called it. I've got to be exactly what he called it, but he goes type, A people have type B problems and type B. People have type A problems. And what is he describing so taipei's, like the achiever the obsessor, the kind of, like, high-functioning ADHD or high-functioning high anxiety person, which is a
Of people who we know a lot, probably, a lot of people who listen, this podcast. It serves you really well. You get great grades or you'll go be successful in your career because you're so like Taipei about it. But you suck at just relaxing chilling enjoying slowing down being grateful. You know, the moment being in the moment and not thinking constantly about planning for the future or assessing the past, it just being there and he goes then there you have the type B person who we all characterized as like the guy who's just there just walking around wandering through life's different flowers. Like dude, your
Not getting ahead. Where's your savings account? What's your plan? How are you going to get ahead? You don't have all your ducks in a row. What? You're missing out. And, you know, Society basically, we reward the taipei's who even if you're high type A and you suck at type B, it's like, okay, you always feels like you can always catch up even though in reality you can't and the type B person we sort of look down. If they almost seem lazy in a way it's like why aren't you getting your act together? You know what are you? Okay, you're prioritizing your
Too much almost you should be. You should be productive right now and I thought it was so true that people fall into these buckets as a as a cliche as an oversimplification. And it really highlighted to me how undervalued type B people are, and I have a few type B people in my life, where if you look at their resume or you look at their series of accomplishments or how they spend their day and it just feels like while you're behind and then when you hang out with them, you're like, wow, you're ahead your load.
He's got this thing, figured out, and I think that one of the big mispriced assets is, do you know how to chill, dude? That's like,
do you know what it's called? Did you just call it calmness? A Miss price asset? Sure
did, you know I called cold plunge, people at hot tub people, right? Cold flow. Just like you're trying to optimize everything you're trying to get like shock your nervous system and like you.
Adrenaline pumping in the morning and hot tub. People are trying to hang out have a beer and you know kick it with friends and they're happier the the cold plunge people. And I think one of the things to really do is to take pride, in being able to do both well, like, instead of trying to be a higher high achiever, you know, working on being able to shift gears and be able to have both yours and be able to do both. Well,
when did you see this post? Because like, a lot of times people ask us these questions and it just all most recent thing.
It's always the most.
Dennis was like nine. Wait really? Yeah. Ha ha ha. You've read recently that wowed you this recently last
night and which is fine because I thought try like you do something interesting. So whenever you go like to some conference or anything you're always like I took these notes on like lessons lessons. I learned. Yeah. And I suck at that and so I was curious if this is something that you like saved from a year ago and you're still contemplating
dude, I have a
Slack Channel, called Golden nuggets. That is like, it's a conversation with Me Myself and Irene, dude, it is the longest conversation. It is all just little tiny nuggets that I pick up from from people when Gary Todd was on the podcast. For example, I go here and I right here, this great line. He goes at some point. You realize it's all made up but you get to make it up. I was like, well, that's this is such a powerful simple way of explaining. A lot of life, it's all made up. These are all Stories. We Tell ourselves the rules are made up, but like you get to make it up, you get to make up your story. You tell yourself.
Yourself about yourself about the world, about how your life is going to
go. I think Gary tan was a top-10, maybe top five person we've ever talked
to? Yeah, I well that's a good question, because one of these in here, let me find it. Here we go, Jason from Detroit wants to know similar thing. He says, fellas, I was looking at the numbers recently, you've hit 600 plus episodes, 100. Plus guess I have to ask you, who is on the Mount Rushmore for MFM the number one thing. You learn from them and PS. I don't want to hear. I love them all.
Can't pick favorites. I need you to Deion Sanders it. PSP PS. Did you know that Deion Sanders publicly ranks? His kids, check it out. And he linked this to a article were Deion Sanders. Is ranking his kids Shiloh and moved
up dude. Deion Sanders. Junior is number one.
Yeah, as you should. I think that's
insane. Our centers number five.
What should or Sanders who's the quarterback of his of his team? Number four on the number 4 out of
Five, not doing so hot. What a
weirdo? Okay, well, I guarantee hands up there, but that's like a recent one. So, I try actually to stay away. I'll go. Let me tell you mine really quick, dude, they're all brown dudes. I just realized Dar mesh Manish and Sayad. I guess I, it's not Indian, but it two out of the three are Indian, which is pretty. Funny, Dharma mesh is amazing. To me. Don't mesh proves that you can be aggressive while still being calm and nice door measures like shockingly aggressive towards life. Do you know that about it?
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our mesh, is a billionaire, maybe a multi-billionaire, I don't know. Started HubSpot which is like 30 billion dollar company and he's been on two to three times. I think he's coming on next week or in a few weeks. He's super aggressive about life, but he comes off like a really nice guy, and calm and easy going and like he is calm and easy going, but he's very aggressive about life and I love that. What do you mean
aggressive out life? That's a, that's a, that's a work, that's a phrase, tell me what that means.
So if you
You ask him about his background. He grew up poor in India and he was like, I wanted to be the best because I wanted to prove that I was capable of achieving and I also didn't want to have nothing which is what I originally had. So he's like I want it to be great at ping pong and so I studied ping-pong. And I was the best at the school I went to, or he was like someone told me that when I moved to America that apparently what these people do is they go play golf in order to meet clients and take care of clients and he's like I'm a 23 year old guy who moved here from India. I don't know what
No golf is, but then I someone else said well if you can't do that, just by everyone's dinner as much as possible. And so he has paid for 100% of the dinners that he's ever gone out to for everyone. But I tell you that story. No
dude I got water. He paid sure enough.
I went out to dinner with him and it was me. Nick Ray Neville and dar mesh Dar mesh walks to the bathroom at the end. Nick ray goes. Watch this he runs and he pays for it. Dharma shuts down and it goes my tree. Darvish stands up. He goes, this is unacceptable.
Well, I'm sorry, I can't hold on. I'll tell you in a minute and he runs to the back of the kitchen. He makes him refun. Nick, raise credit card and he gives his credit card and he comes back here ass. Let me tell you a story. You know, when I came here from India, I did not only go off someone told me to buy dinner. So I committed at that age of 22 to 100% of the time. Pay for everyone's dinner, and I have done this. He may be he's 55. Now, he has, he was, I've done it for 25 plus years and so by you paying for dinner, I will not allow you to break that real thing. And I go have you really done it?
Dude I've done it so much that one time we went out to I want to eat which is like me and Brian of HubSpot and like apparently there was a company there at a company outing who Solace and bought our dinner as like a thank you because we use HubSpot, whatever. It's so dark Masters. Like I didn't have a lot that much money. We're kind of new but he's like, hey, through 50 next morning, did he goes, dude? He goes, we paid their fifteen thousand dollar dinner bill because I refuse to have that streak broken and so darn bash is very aggressive about life. He started
Did he want to teach this kid how to program? So they made a online video game that, you know, makes a million dollars a year or something crazy. Like it's like a hugely popular. He's very aggressive about life, but if you don't hang out with them, he's gentle. He's soft to let you do all the talking. And so, I would say Dart, Mash is one of my biggest Inspirations. What about yours
classic? Gentle? Giant hard to pick my, it's funny though, by Mount Rushmore of gas has really nothing to do with their episode and it's just what impression they left on me, or what I took away from them, that is made.
Not have even been a remarkable upset. Maybe they didn't tell the best stories or have the best ideas right up the right off the bat. So here's a couple of mine. Mine mine all fall into the bucket of people who are playing their own game. So I really, really admire probably more than anything else. Somebody who takes the time to Define how they want to play the game of Life. What their rules are? What their goals are, what their code is that they live by. And then of course, succeed in doing it. And the result is that they are both happy.
He and successful because you know, one without the other is sort of the ultimate failure, Ryan holiday comes to mind. I don't even, I couldn't tell you one thing. He said when he was on the podcast,
dude, riding school
shit. I've since that, I followed Ryan. I was like, man, I really appreciate this dude. He seems, he was, I think the only thing I remember on the podcast, I told my go. You are one of the called, the like, mentally, well or something. I was like, you seem like one of the most well-balanced, like, grounded people that's ever. Come on this podcast. You just seem like genuinely happy and
And it just comes through in his Vibe, for example, instead of getting money and being like now, how do I like the question we had earlier? How do I parlay this into a private Equity thing? Make more money off of it. He did the thing that he really wanted. He bought his own bookstore and made an awesome book store and he's like a bookstore is a terrible investment but like he bought a bookstore at the top. He built his office at the bottom, he's got a bookstore. Why? Because he absolutely loves books, he loves the vibe of a bookstore. So every day he gets to bask in the glory, the vibe of
His investment, whereas I put something in the stock market. It's just a number on the screen somewhere and there's these clips of every time. He has somebody come on the podcast, they record upstairs and on the way out, he gives he just starts handing, the books have you read this? Like no, he's oh my God. You got to read this here. Let me earmark the page where you're going to love this book. Okay. This is their famous book, but actually, this book is better and he just leaves them. They walk out like it's a library and they got like seen a six books and I just love Ryan holidays approach.
He did that with me and I'll I think it was literally a thousand.
The books, right? Like, it was, like, a Year's worth of reading, but he's the man, I don't know. He's well, he's
got his Rich, he's got his family. He's got, he spends his days, doing what he loves, which is reading, and writing, and exploring ideas. He's tremendously. You know, everybody who I know who's met him. Respect him and he just seems like he's living life on his own terms. He's not playing somebody else's game. Do
you know how many books, he's written? By the way. How many books he's
published? I would guess like seven or eight fifteen? Yeah, he's prolific and he writes a daily
email.
Male, I don't know how he's like this prolific, he's there. My
buddy Billy works for him and you can get a good sense of how somebody is, when you talk to somebody who works under them and has for years and he's got you know, nothing but good things to say. So anyways, we're on holidays up there. Jesse. It's always kind of like that. I really admire this huge variety. So doing you know from rapper to starting a jingle company and selling that to starting a private jet share company, is selling that to Warren Buffett to creating a coconut water brand to creating, now a pickles, brand, creating a running brand but
Just takes the things he loves. Its, he is his business, is him pushed out, he loves running, he creates the running club, he creates the Everest thing, where you run up and down this mountain until you ran as many miles as Everest. You just seems to have taken his passion. Instead of wearing his heart on his sleeve, he just like manifested it through the world of business. I think that's really cool creative dude. Seems like a lot of fun. And I like some of his other things like having a misogi for the year or how he his little three C's thing that I stole where he's like, yeah, every day I take 10 minutes and it's
Compliment a congratulations or a concern. What's it called? Like console we consolation for somebody. When they, when they've gone through something. Yeah, he just thinks of who, in my life, deserves one of those right now, who deserves some congratulations, a compliment, or, or being consoled, and he detects that out. There's a very easy way to build amazing relationships in life.
I'm doing his 20th called 29 029. It's the Everest it's ever see what I think. Yeah, I
I was invited to his partner of became friends with and he's like pick which one you want to go. And so I got Sarah signed up for it and we're going with a picked a date but yeah it sounds awesome dude it's really popular. By the way there it's also really expensive and they're all always sold out
as it should be. Last one I had is Mike Posner on my little Mount Rushmore which I don't think that episodes come out yet, but he said a couple of things that stood out to be the but the biggest one is just a operating Philosophy for any Creator, you know, he he
His first song was a hit whatever five times 5x Platinum. His second song was a little disappointing, only three times. Platinum is third song, Only One X, Platinum felt like total failures and every time you went to the studio, trying to make a hit, he goes I only succeeded in making something that I hated and nobody else loved when I when I went in trying to make a hit that, everybody would love all I made was something that everybody else hated are something that I hated and also because I hated everybody else hated it too and he goes now, my philosophy is very simple. I just do what's called
All to me and every once in a while the whole world agrees and it is thought that is a wonderful Banner cry for a Creator. An artist is to say, I just make one call to me and sometimes the whole world agrees.
Yeah. He, that documentary, he has, where he walks across the country. That was like a music video. Actually, is it a music video? Like a 10 minute video, so good, he's very inspiring. What's music video for move on? Is that what is that? It's late. It feels like a documentary.
Hurry because like there's so much talking in it but or 10-minute one that's pretty badass. All right, which one should we do?
Let's go to this one. Isaac from Maryland says, I just started training boxing. Thanks for the inspiration. And I took my first liver shot. Wow, son of a gun. It feels like somebody. Hit the off button on my body and I thought about it later and I started thinking, what's the equivalent of a liver shot in business. We all know that a punch to the jaw is the thing to supposed to knock you out. But sometimes it's the sneaky liver shot that gets you. I told my wife about this idea and she says that sounds like something.
That your friends, all that stupid podcast would talk about. So, let's have it, boys. What's the liver shot of business? Tell me
if you felt this before, you're having a problem in your company and you think I have found this one person that's going to change everything. Everything's going to be better because I've hired this one person I think in have I ever had a situation. Okay, so maybe that could happen. I don't think I've ever had a situation where my expectations have been lived up to and
What did you just say? You've never had a situation where your expectation beloved up to
when my mom II? Don't know when my expectation is that this person is going to be the Silver Bullet. Oh yeah. Yeah. They're never lived up to and it's not their fault, they could be fantastic. But like, whenever I'll buy into someone's so much and they'll do like one thing that like kind of is a bummer to me and I'm like, what else is there that you're going to do? And then, like, I'm not a thing
happen to be a Catholic wedding.
Yeah,
girl.
You get. Yeah, it's like I have to try. It's so, yeah, I have felt that so many times and I've always make that mistake consistently where I buy into someone, you know, like when you're like in high school and you're like seeing a girl like a girl, you got a crush on so much and she finally gives you the like the chance. You know like every life is perfect. I have crossed that threshold and like is never any all those? Yeah. Or like her. Like her ring toe is like
Bigger than like her big toe, you know what I mean? Like I hate that rule
out of their control and I think like thirty percent, the population has that thing where one toe is longer than the other, but it's disgusting to me.
Have you seen Shallow, Hal? We're like he, it's like this ugly dude dates, like the 10/10 model, but her toe is like that. So he breaks up with her,
this podcast. Will you
Warren
Buffett, quote at a Shallow Hal quote. This is, do you know who makes an appearance
in Shallow? How is Tony Robbins? Tony Robbins. He's like the whole point in the movie like he convinces, Jack Black to only see people's inner beauty. So now he only sees people. It's pretty funny. I love that movie, I think it's a great movie. Getting my gut punch is like being let down by people, which is frankly, I'm 100% to blame for that,
right, right. Mine is actually just having a health issue, either you or someone, you know.
No, really close to you, when you're running a start-up because the day before, everything felt level 10 important. And this is the most important thing in the world. We're on a mission. We're at War. This is this is everything. And then as soon as you have a healthy a real health issue, there's that phrase you know man has a thousand problems until he has a health problem then he only has one problem and as so true like the liver punch it business is when you have a real life scare and you're like, wow I feel so stupid for having
I spent like caring so much about these stupid, kpis and metrics and dialing, the knobs and optimizing this funnel. It's like, dude, honestly who gives a shit. So it is the, the one thing that really just shook me out of the delusion of like business felt like everything to me until that happened, that was my love. My liver punch.
I always feel that way. Whenever I have a nurse treat me like, you know, like nurses Nursery. Looks like, the real job, dude. They're like the tugboats of world war, you know, like tugboats. Like are like, have like
Helped us win World War Two, like the tugboats work their asses off. To get these ships out there, but the unsung heroes you don't know what like gave tugboats love time
when were busy tugboats do? I don't know this.
So, during World War Two, we were like building ships, like, crazy or I'll give you a better analogy 911 during 9/11. You know, a tugboat is like a tiny boat that pulls do. When you, let's say, you have a cruise ship when a cruise ship comes into a relatively small place. Like, for example, when a cruise ship is going to dock in San
Go. You need a tugboat to go out and get it and, like, drag it and place it perfectly where it goes, but they've been the unsung heroes for many occasions. So, for example, during World War Two, we were building ships like crazy and getting them out there. He's fucking tug Boats, were working their asses off and they like, and like the tug boat operators were like performing Miracles. Same with, on 9/11 9/11, it was like the tug boats that were getting people off the island of Manhattan to like Brooklyn or whatever. And nurses are like tugboats. Like you forget about a nurse like you think you kind of dismiss a nurses like you go to the
hospital?
Doctor.
It's the Doctor Who's the most important and then you like a nurse will come in like, give you Advil or like give you a popsicle and, like soothe you. And you're like, you're so much more important. A you're more important than the doctor maybe and be your more important than my fucking job. Like it's not even 100%.
All right, let's do another one. Do you pick one off
here? If you could Shadow anyone for a week to learn how they operate, who would it be and why,
all right, I would split it between.
Either somebody who's hyper productive, which is might as well go for Ilan. Because there's all these myths about Ilan and I just want to see it for myself. I want to see what's the real deal. How is this guy running for companies and playing Diablo at night and got 11 kids and like I want to actually follow this guy and see what's going on.
What's
Diablo, what is Diablo, the game video game. Okay, he's like streaming on on X at night like the same night, you know, they catch the the Starship, right? The catch the heaviest.
Theists rocket ever with like these Chopsticks did the same night. He's playing Diablo for like four hours on stream and he's like doing like a high-level raid, it's pretty wild. In the same way that you know, this LeBron James recently screenshot of this thing out that he was a top top. 100 ranked Madden player or like he reached ranked 100, which is like the top-ranked.
No way. And it's going to be one of the most played games in the world,
right. Yeah. It doesn't mean he's a top hundred player but it means he he still reach the top rank of the people who are playing competitively at that
moment. A
Reserve it don't matter compressor or like you know we've told the story about Travis kalanick being the number two or three, we tennis player in the world, Luka Don Cheech, who's like one of the best basketball players in the world. He's a, he's a top 100, OverWatch player obviously want to watch, this is insane. It's insane. That
what's OverWatch. Is that a war game?
It's a first person shooter. I don't know what you call psych a team. First person shooter or whatever
and he's the best or one
of he's a he's a Grandmaster player taught any reached top. I think was top 500 in which
Is the the they don't do top under. They do top 500 and Luca was in the top 500, it's insane. Like, I can't believe it and people are like, oh well these guys are athletes have a lot of time to play video games. A lot of downtime when their bodies
are still ridiculous.
I don't give a shit, dude. I was playing OverWatch 03 hours a day for like, you know, two years I couldn't even break in a bronze. This is incredible. How he did that.
I think I won. So, did you read that New York Times article on Alex carp?
I didn't read it actually but a bunch of people recommended it. What did it say?
So he's the CEO of palantir. What did it say?
Alex carp is the CEO of palantir, palantir, as I got almost a hundred billion dollar company and they're kind of controversial because they typically have a Libertarian to Republicans, lean culture in Silicon Valley. That's like not common, and he's also like a freak. And so he's a freak because he grew up like, in Germany, I believe and he says, and he says ridiculous stuff. So, he's like, I've got some. I think it said I got a Jewish mom and a black dad, I can get away with anything.
Like he says, like silly things like that or he'll be like, the only time I'm not that. He said this on like a, like a quarterly earnings call. He's like the only time I'm not thinking about palantir is what I'm out. Cross-country skiing or having sex, like, he just like, kind of like says like ridiculous stuff like that, but he's just like a weirdo. And, and I really like this, he was raised in Germany. He went to school as a philosophy, major Peter teal and him used to argue all the time and debate Peter thiel's. Right of Center, Alex carp is left of center and so they had
Sit politics. And he said in the article that they would argue like ravenous animals and because of that, they fell in love with each other and Peter, teal. And Joe Lonsdale came to carp with this idea for palantir and he was the perfect person to lead and run the company. And so he just tells like, 25 years of stories in the New York Times article because this is his moment the company 25 years old, but they are finally like the top dog. And he tells all these crazy stories and he just quirky and weird. And I love that
the article starts.
It's Alex, carp, never learned to drive his quote. I was too poor, and then I was too rich, the pictures him wearing pink socks at his New Hampshire home. Just like sort of
sitting and everything about him is weird. Everything you just said about that is like different and strange. Keep going. I'm,
I'm Jewish racially ambiguous dyslexic. So I can say anything. Yes. Okay, wow.
He's just quirky, man. He's really funky.
So you want to follow this guy cuz you think he's a genius or you just think this guy's a weird. Well we're do. I do just want to see it up, close
all the above, and he's living in his own world. I have friends that who report to him at palantir and they love him. Like, this is one of those stories where you said, similarly, to Ryan holiday. We talk to people who work for him, they all love them. They have jokes. And they, I think they represent in the article, they call them pop a carp or daddy carp.
Like they like Revere him like this wise, like Sage guy.
Yeah. Okay, this guy's pretty fascinating. Okay. So Alex carp would be your pick. Easy, nice.
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Building I would either do something super delay Elon or somebody Super Creative like the creators of South Park that documentary, six days to are
is one of miserable life things to watch. How hard is that? Like, I don't
want to be either of them. Both of them. Play the game on absolute hard mode. But if you're good, you know, if I want to break my frame I'm not going to hang out with people who have exactly kind of like what I feel comfortable with its I want to hang out with people who play the game at level 12. So I know what the hell level 12 is and then I'll dial it back to eight or nine, which is where I like to
I like to stay in that range, but I do you want you don't even know what an eight or nine is unless you've seen what the Extreme as I want to see the extreme of productivity in the extreme of creativity.
Yeah man. That documentary is amazing. Basically, for those who haven't seen it, I think it's on YouTube for free South Park which has been around. For 25 years is basically two guys. Matt and Trey they come up with an entire 30-minute episode in six days. So from idea to It Be Live is six days and they do that every single season and they've done for 25 years
which is which is unheard of at that time.
Doesn't heard of most animated shows, would be like, you know, sort of like a, it's like, Family
Guy is 9 months.
Six to nine months, 12 months, that's like normal six days. Just breaks your brain of, how do you do that? And the way they do that is there like they're, you know, it's like Monday, we're pitching ideas. And then we grab the idea, the animator start drawing. We go into the studio. We start doing the voices so that the animators have the dialogue. We're working out the jokes as we go. It's crazy.
They also do that with
SNL.
By the way, I saw this interview with him recently so you won't. I don't know if you will know this but I lived in Denver and that's where they're from and there's this restaurant that's famous, they're called Casa Bonita. Do you know about this already? The
story? Good. They bought it and it's
amazing. Do you know what it
is first? What's it like? I know it's in this TV show. I watch it. The show all the time. It was a joke in the show where it was like, carbon want to go there and there's like it's like is it Mexican I guess and there's people jumping off like Cliffs into pools and there's like all you can eat Mexican food.
Imagine you walk in to the
Guess Rainforest Cafe you've ever seen? So you walk in and it feels like you're in a cave or some kind of like treasure hunt sort of situation but your says part Rainforest Cafe on steroids, part school lunch because you just grab a tray and you walk down this it's like a it's like I hear you walk down this path and then there's like these lunch ladies. Just putting slop on your tray and the slop is the worst. Mexican food you ever had in your life and then you get out till you finally exit, the maze. Where you got your slop on your trade, you sit down.
And now you're at like this table and there's this huge restaurant that has these like a giant indoor waterfall. And then there's a whole show that happens with cliff divers and they're diving into the water and there's like a, it's like a little play that's happening. So then you get Broadway. So you get Broadway, the Rainforest Cafe and like the craziest prison lunch you've ever had. It's like an experience. It was dying and I guess you're there it's like a staple for anybody who lives in that area is like, it's like a thing. And you knew if it ever died
It would never come back, because the whole idea that even make sense in the first place, so they bought it for like, I think a couple million bucks and the guy said they go, he goes. So you've since had to invest in, like, kind of turning it around saw this. She's like, yeah, we invest a lot of money because how much you investing is we put in about 40 million dollars, which is just insane and they along the way, they filmed it as they're trying to rescue the thing that turned into its own documentary. And so, just a crazy crazy.
Crazy story.
It's the food better the reviews on it are like still not good,
I don't know. I don't want to hear any bad things about I do. I love those guys. I love Casa Bonita, have a lot of memories for there as a kid and I love that these guys, tried to basically the same thing that the 40 does did with the UFC where they bought it for 2 million bucks and then lost 40 million trying to like like a build the brand, they do that. But just with Casa Bonita is
dude but yeah I don't know if the outcomes gonna be the same but that's pretty wild. I mean they're like epically rich.
Those guys, they Rich
guys and restaurants name of better combo. Yeah.
All right, one do one more. Or is that
it? Let's do this fatherhood one. So Jeremy from Austin. Okay. That's maybe somebody, you know, he says I'm a soon-to-be Dad, I've read all the books. I listen to a podcast but I got to hear from the boys. What advice was actually useful underline for when you became a dad, so we all get advice. What was actually
useful did mine so much easier. Yours is going to be
Like insightful and philosophical. Here's mine was like so easy so you it's it was called like the 5s's but it really could just be like to. So what a baby's crying 0 to 3 months, you swaddle them, super tight. I was shocked at how tight you need to be. Yeah you turn them tighter than you
think you're supposed to be doing.
Yeah. Like you're putting this thing in a straitjacket like like Child Protective Services need to be called. Like that's how like the tight it feels like. What do you swallow these kids and then you hold them on their side when they're crying and you lift them up in your ear.
And you shut them. But when you shush, it's super loud. Like I, they taught me how to do I'm like, that's gonna hurt the baby's ear and they're like, no, this, I don't know. However, it works. This is what they're used to hearing. You shush really loud in their ear and they quit crying. I feel like 20 seconds so it was like the swaddle sideways shush. That was very productive.
All right, that's good. I'll tell you what doesn't help first. So when I, when we got practice for the first time, it was like, oh better get some sleep now,
Snot how sleep works. And that doesn't do anything,
don't copy that. Well, you can't build it up with a
bank. If they wanted to say, what could you actually do before? The kid comes, which is not much. It'd be like, hey, just take this, 15 pound dumbbell and curl. It just hold it in the curl and then try to do the rest of your life. So, now operate, you know, do your computer and like make food and do everything while curling this thing? Because that's actually the only prep that would I would have actually helped. I think the biggest prep is mental for, at least for the dad here.
What I think are the three phases of fatherhood is my bit. I'm working on it. I'm working on a bit here. All right. The three phases of fatherhood are I want kids? That's phase one. I want kids. Yeah, I will kids. Hell. Yeah. And then phase two, which is when you're pregnant and the baby's coming.
I want kids dot dot dot right? Yeah that's right Harry. Now that's phase two and then phase 3 which comes up rock. You think it's supposed to come with the baby's born but it will not for most people. It comes like 12 to 18 months later is
I can't live without kids and then that's where that's where you will get to. That's the third phase. It does come have faith and so, totally normal to have the the initial I want this. Then the questioning of the doubt and the Panic, the freak out, then the initial anti-climatic thing, where the babies in the inanimate object and you're kind of useless as a dad. You're kind of just helping the mom, you don't feel too much. That was the least, my was my experience and that's get you kind of concerned. You're like, wait, do I not have a soul? Why don't I feel what I'm supposed to feel about this kid and
Then at sort of 12 to 18 months once they start to like smile and laugh or you know crawl like do things like that, then you're able to then it turns around and you're like I can't imagine life without without kids.
I probably spoke to 30 guys before I had my kid and I was like, what should I expect? And I asked all of them, a very, like, blunt question, but they understood what I meant, which was, did you love her right away? Or did you love the baby right away and probably 70 percent of them said, no, I had love.
But I wasn't in love cared about the well-being, so I cared but like there I wasn't in love until let's say 8 or 10 months, something like that. I personally was into it because I had animals like it kind of replaced like a dog for me if I'm being honest. Like or like I love dogs and I was I like that. I like that type of shit so I was into it but I Was preparing not to be into it right away.
Lowered Expectations, the key to
life I think most men aren't into
To their kids for, you know what I mean? When I say into in love for like eight months,
I have a hilarious dinner with this guy and he was like, yeah, I am, if I'm honest it's hard. I can't same same description. I care, but I guess I wouldn't say I'm like totally like Head Over Heels like you know can't live without them type of
thing. This is incredible to me. It's like a roommate that you enjoy.
I was like totally totally normal turns around and 12-18 months like the other three. Ha ha ha.
Well, you're broken,
dude. You know what? Also shocked me like every all of my friends after they have kids, they all most of them have said, similar things, which is, I wish I started sooner and that shocked me. I was always the opposite. I thought I always thought it was the opposite.
Yeah, I don't waste that. I'm like, I'm glad I got in all the the stuff that you can only do when you're young wild and free, I'm glad I got that in.
Because it's a one-way door. Once you do it, you can t, there is no, there's no breaks, there's no Mulligan's that you know, at least for me so you know, it just seems like it's I'm glad I took the time. Alright, that's this episode or we're going to call
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