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The queen of quinoa spectacular David Freiburg is with us. We did an emergency pod. We just had all agreed. We're taking a nice break. Nothing's going to happen over the New Year. This is the down period and 2021 is going to be delightful and simple and then all hell breaks loose we could start with the vaccine we could start with the capital we can start with Georgia. Now, we have to start we have to start we have to start with the capital. We have to start with the capitals all
Right. So let me just run through the series of events that occurred here. There's a certification process correct Sac that goes on where the Electoral College gets counted and somewhere at 10 a.m. Trump had a rally of thousands of supporters. You were not there David, correct? We're not this rally. He was in quote unquote Miami, right? I think he's in the Miami Hilton on Pennsylvania Avenue right now. How do you put up that fake Miami?
But the truth is let's be honest here Trump came out at 10 a.m. And had a rally Jason. Can we just take a step back for a second? Okay. It doesn't David Sachs look like Elliott Gould and Ocean's Eleven right now. So we Elliott
Gould
he is a silver fox and are you I mean you were very public about being in Miami over the new year. You took your talents to Miami and we see this background so we can assume that dictators in
the pool house poker room. We know that free Berg's in a Ritz-Carlton somewhere based on the furniture. He's in his Ritz-Carlton office and Sachs based on your background. Are you in Miami right now? Yeah. Are you still there?
I saw I'm still I'm still here.
Okay, but they did you me. I'm sure
not I haven't actually met him. I did meet him. I went to like a tech event the other night and he was there so
during mass at the tech event. Are you wearing a mask
Magic?
It was that they were like no no. No, I'll tell you there are mass indoors and then there was like covid testing inside and then you could graduate to the outdoor patio part where people generally weren't wearing,
Mass.
So were you in conversations with people with no masks on is that what you're saying at this? Yeah,
but you know everyone's been like covid tested like a zillion times and it was outdoors and you know, I'm willing to meet with people Outdoors, you know, I generally don't do it indoors, but I'm yeah, I'm I've I've said that's my policy starting several months ago
day. We were a wind to April with that photo of Sac. Do we have it where he was in the ski mask and the goggles and the time like The Biohazard
How things have changed he's like, I'll go to Miami and have a chat with someone. Yeah,
you could definitely do how it started and how it's going split photo for but but
look you're like sharing a banana split with someone like, you know, well the colors on eBay and Alibaba buying ventilators right for his home triage Center.
Well, I mean we had people from The Who saying in March that the
you know that the case fate the infection fatality rate was like seven percent, you know, and the two big things we learn after that. We're number one that there was a huge distribution by age, right? And so somebody under 50 without comorbidities had a much much much lower risk. And then also the thing we learned is that the there's maybe a 10x difference between the infection fatality rate in the case fatality rate. I mean, you guys know all this. Yeah, and so so at once we learned those things, I mean, I you know, I think a rational person
Takes things like that into account. I changed my policy with respect to covid, you know, and now especially that we have, you know easy access to tests which weren't available. You can get tested before going into a event. I
have a I have a question to add on to that. Do you own a fur Chewbacca outfit? And where were you in Washington DC yesterday with more paint on you?
Do you have a neck to waist the tattoo Are you standing behind a
Podium? We hide the the Viking horns that I've
got away. All right. Listen, it was a great there was a title can we title yesterday's event National Lampoon Siege of the capital. It was like Animal House like, you know, yeah,
there was a great there's a great tweet by somebody saying this was this was like the storming of the Bastille as perpetrated by the cast of Animal House.
And there was another there's another great tweet saying the capital now appears to be under the control of a man and a viking mask.
The best ones was I have lost all respect for Nicolas Cage's ability to steal the US Constitution apparently whatever copies with. All right. So let's just go through the chain of events here and it was it was absolutely surreal because
Trump literally went out to a mob of people and said I want you to March down Pennsylvania Avenue and show the GOP what it takes to Have Courage Etc. Mike Pence apparently told Trump that he was not going to go to bat for him in this ceremonial process of counting the votes and lo and behold you're watching this, you know, the objections going onto the Electoral count and you see the secret
Just come rushing in and it becomes a you know, very serious situation. And when you watch some of the videos it is truly terrorizing that thousands of people overwhelm the police and I guess I want to start with people's opinion on Trump's culpability in inciting. What was very dangerous behavior for people are dead. So what you know, while we're joking about the cosplay outfits a woman who
I was an Ardent Trump supporter who is a vet who did four tours from what I've read and I shared the video with you before literally, you know as they broke into the building was trying to breach another area of the building and she's climbing through a window and get shot apparently by the Secret Service or the police and dies. And so it's all fun and games until four people are dead. And now somebody's lost their wife daughter say Sir Jason. I mean there could have been
Hundred that there could have been 4,000 lutely. Yeah, I mean this could become a shootout of the okay Corral. I can't understand why the police showed the restraint they did. I mean when you see them getting Serrano we saw the one they did they didn't show restraint Jason. There was no police when you look at the amount of security that's typically there and has been there for other situations and then you compare it to the amount of security knowing for a month and a half that this was coming. It's it just doesn't make any sense to me.
me so I'm a little I'm a little dumbfounded that you know, you couldn't have seen this Facebook group called, you know, hashtag stormed the capital which had tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of members in their plotting and scheming selling merchandise called storm the capital, you know, these guys were wearing printed sweatshirts that they had time to make and nobody knew about it and nobody thought to reinforce the security and barricaded and make sure that
You couldn't go from the protest site to the cat. I mean, it just seems like there's some level of complicity that needs to get found out here. But there was a there was an interview I saw with a next DC police guy who said that I think folks were told to Tamper down. The police forces were told to Tamper down on managing crowds and protests and riots following the controversy associated with BLM a few months ago and spraying folks with pepper spray and water and all the physical techniques that were
Used were so outraging that that there was just more of a systemic concern about being too aggressive with protesters. And as a result, they went too far the other way, it's not it's not an unreasonable happens to be Friedberg that when black people protested and brown people. They got the tear gas and beaten with batons. And then when the white people's storm the the the capital in the same area
They got walk down the steps and x squared it out with a Stern warning to not do it again. I mean this is hypocritical and insane.
I don't know why you have to go there particularly it looked to me like what happened. Is that the Capitol Hill Police simply got completely overwhelmed and you look at these giant. This is a rally on the mall that turned into a mob. Well first it's kind of turned into a Tailgater then it turned into
into a mob and then it turned into an Insurrection. It kind of stumbled forward into Progressive phases of stupidity and disaster, but it looked to me like the Capitol Hill Police simply got overwhelmed. They they obviously were unprepared. They were surprised I think by this and I saw video of tons of tear gas being used. I saw people getting tear gas like crazy and I think there was reports this morning on Twitter that the whole area in front of the Capitol there was covered in that.
Film that remains after tear-gassing so I don't think they were really pulling punches too much and I also think that that there will be prosecution's I think that the these people were captured on video. There's a lot of talk on Twitter and everybody is in favor of finding out who they are applying facial recognition and bringing charges. So I think there will be a lot of charges unlike let's say that the BLM protest is summer. I don't remember anybody getting charged based on video.
CEO of people riding or looting and then I think you know the the final difference actually with the BLM protest is that if you watch Fox News at all in the last 24 hours the condemnation of what of the stormy or the capital of what happened has been across the board both right and left everybody across the political Spectrum has condemned it. Nobody is apologizing for it. Nobody on the right is looking for root causes to explain the reasons why
It happened. Everybody is just condemning it and saying that it should never have happened and the people who did it should be prosecuted. And so I don't see any kid gloves here being used, you know, either physically or
rhetorical of sacks is when you see officers being chased up the steps and or taking selfies, you know, which is one instance. I don't want to just say that's the only indicative and thing but when people are breaking through windows and just kind of being let go
I mean they were obviously overwhelmed but I'm surprised more people didn't get shot trim off. It's just David I call this what head on in terms of the race issue, but I haven't well I have a I have a question for David before I make my statement David. Okay. Do you think that if this were black and brown people storming the capital with there had been more or less than four deaths?
I honestly I think we're in the same. I Just Disagree. Oh, I disagree
I really disagree and I'll tell you why I think you have the best of intentions wanting to think that way but here's the way I see it. I see a president that basically instigated a group of people who are fundamentally disenfranchised. Let's face it. Like there are there are a lot of very very reasonable Republicans and a lot of very reasonable Democrats. The fringes of both parties are functionally mentally.
Retarded we know this. Okay. And so what you see are extreme on both sides who are just completely lost and looking for any excuse and so you have a president in the tail end of his presidency an anonymous presidency. Basically call them out. Nobody who actually had a job or anything to do could show up. Right? So you had all these people show up. It's a Wednesday. Yeah. It's a Wednesday during the day. I mean and what do you
Happens they're there. They're all frothed up, you know Eric Trump frothing them up Donald Trump jr. Frothing them up Trump frosting them up Giuliani frothing them up and all of a sudden as you said stumbling into degrees of craziness and stupidity to storm the capital and I just think to myself how could a president instigate this kind of action number one. The second thing I think about is when black athletes peaceful.
We protested.
Something that they had the fundamental constitutional right to protest in the president's eyes. They were sons of bitches.
White people that storm the fucking Capital the people's house. Yep. We're called Patriots by the president's daughter and she do it old and then we're told that they were loved by the president himself to me. It's just an enormously stark contrast of a double standard. I think that beyond the persecutions of the people. I actually feel very bad for the people that storm the capital. I feel like these are folks that are on the fringes.
Just need a vessel and Trump is a vessel and then he instigate them in runs away. You know what I mean? Music I never take his loss and these are lost people than these guys commit the crime and now they're going to go to jail. I feel like the the culpability has to go all the way back to Trump to Holly to cruise at these guys. Are there those are the real scumbags in all of this Freiburg. What are your thoughts on this and then I'll go back to Saks and let him respond.
Yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if this was a black lives matter and and it was black people involved or brown people involved in the same sorts of activities. Do you have today that you would not see more shootings? I don't think that's an unreasonable position to take it. Obviously. I think there's this other circumstance which is that event preceding this one as I mentioned. I saw an interview with a DC police former police.
Record the police or something. I forgot what his title was where he highlighted that, you know, folks were kind of instructed to stand down following the BLM controversies. And so I think that's also kind of a reasonable point of view.
And it's going to happen president's culpability. I mean, I think that's one issue that's gonna have to be addressed post and I think we have to figure out what life post Trump is going to be like because this is a level of chaos that nobody to Sax's Point all people condemned. It's a there's a there's a there's a theory which actually takes its origin from from Hitler where Hitler used this term the big lie, and you know, the theory is that you can
Political propaganda by saying something. That's so outrageous. It is so improbable that people say there's no way this thing keeps getting said over and over unless it's actually real and this is sort of like the queuing on pedophile ring in the pizzeria or the fact that the election was stolen from you. It is such an outrageous statement that that it seems to people that it only has to be true because it is it is such an insane thing.
And if it is it's so insane and I am so excited by this thing. So this is kind of a you know, acknowledged as being you know, a political propaganda technique that goes back a long time. By the way Hitler used it as a way to use it as almost like a Double Bluff to blame the Jews in Germany, which was you know, an unfortunate kind of origin of the term, but but the term is used a lot now and saying like these sorts of events are ridiculous now.
What's going to happen going forward? I don't think big lies go away. You can try and mute them on Twitter and meet them on Facebook or mute them on Reddit. But whether it's q and on or whatever is next this is becoming kind of a standard form now because of the way the media is distributed anyone can say a big lie, and it gets a lot of listen. Listen and Trump is totally culpable for that. He made some shit up. He made a bunch of claims. I mean if you guys haven't seen Lindsey Graham speech yesterday. It is absolutely worth watching that he gave late last night. I saw it. I saw it and he's like, he's like I asked
For the for the show me the eight the 10th. Give me ten people that claim that they voted and they were under 18. He's like the gave you one give me anyone that was in prison or died and they gave me zero and he's like goes on and on for a couple minutes about how none of what was said about what happened in the election was true and it was all false and he's like, this is all just not true. And so I think Trump is culpable for creating a falsehood and and you know having a megaphone and you know, there were 17 sighting of violence that
Is I think where the rubber is going to meet the road Trump's going to be out of office in two weeks or less one way or the other do you and let me just take it to sax sax. I want to give you the time to respond to the issue of the double standard in terms of race and BLM. And then also do you sacks if you're on Biden's team coming in. Do you advise that you prosecute Trump or investigate Trump for this Insurrection? Yes or
no?
Okay, so just to tie off on the the BLM issue. I just you know, I just found really don't think that race is the issue here. I've to mouth look II don't know at the end of the day what the fatalities would have been if it had been a BLM protest that that went awry but I will stick to what I said before which is I predict that you will see more prosecutions come out of this of the people who are involved. I'm talking about the people who stormed the capital then we saw from all the BLM protests over the
I mean, I don't remember any prosecutions coming out of videotape of people being called recorded looting and rioting and I predict you will see more here. And again, I think another difference again the extent there's a double standard, you know, I remember a lot of left-wing news networks calling the rioting and looting the summer peaceful protesters. They clearly were not you even had a book called in defense of looting and I don't hear anybody defending the storming of the capital nobody on the right. So to look to the
set there's a double standard. I don't know that it accrues to the the BLM side of this but look, I think that's kind of beside the point and not not the real issue here. I mean Jason to your question of is Trump responsible. Yes, I mean clearly 100% 100% Yes, because he he is the one who put forth this theory that the election was stolen and was constantly repeating it for the last two months two months ago right after the election. There was an article published in The Spectator.
Called deplorable don't Riot. It was actually a pretty good op end, you know, it's written by a conservative and the conservatives point was that you know, all these windows and shops have been boarded up in anticipation of potential rioting and looting with the election and all these concerns are saying well whose do you know? Who are they afraid of you know, not not us not the Maga folks. Well in the theory was deplorable as don't don't Riot and and and the right was was proud of that two months ago. And now we are seeing that will know the deplorable.
Those are writing what why is that what what changed over the last two months? And what changed is the constant feeding to this group of people this idea starting with trumpet then perpetuated by you know, different right-wing media organizations and other politicians who sort of were, you know, trying to Curry favor with Trump. They were constantly pushing forward this idea that the election was stolen. So then these people on the mall who then ride and stormed the capital believe that the election was being stolen from them. So
Ultimately that responsibility goes is
Trump's so to be clear and reflecting back to you. You're saying Trump incited sedation. Is that the right word?
Well sedition sedition doesn't seem like the wrong is it doesn't seem like the exact right word to me. I mean Riot it was it was certainly a riot now now did now look I mean you're talking about Prosecuting a legal case, you know, if you want to look at the legal standard for incitement, it has to be you know,
Provoking people to take an imminent Lawless action packed. Do you think I think I think he load if you want to see the this mob as a gun. I think he loaded the gun. He pointed it in a certain direction, but did he tell him to storm the capital? No, not specifically I think therefore be a very hard case to prosecute but I think you know Prosecuting him in a court of law is this is sort of unnecessary and redundant. I mean, I think that in the eyes of the public politically he is I think most
We'll see that he's culpable
and I think most of his career political career. I
think he's I think he's disqualified himself from being a candidate at you know at a national level again. I mean, if you look again, you just go back two months ago. Look at how much has changed two months ago just in the day or two after the election Trump had narrowly lost but there was talk of him starting a new news network to rival Fox there was talk about he could even be a candidate again and in 2024, it was not off the table, I think.
Now it's clearly off the table and you've seen it's probably because of the Georgia runoffs we should get to but again the Republican candidates at least one of them had won that election two months ago, and now they lost and at that has a lot to do with Trump's Antics in the meantime of just feeding this constant, you know lie about the stolen
election. I wear the ring every burning question about, you know, sorry, but is it worth Prosecuting Trump post fact, you know does
Do you more harm or good for the country as a whole certainly there would be a lot of people that were get great satisfaction and putting Trump in prison. A lot of people are calling for that but we really do need to question the you know, the incredible divided in the nation and what's the best way to heal the divide the objective shouldn't be pursuing Justice. It should be about moving forward. I'm not suggesting don't prosecute Trump, but I think that it's worth it's worthy of noting that you know, there is a another way of framing this whole thing which is
What's the best thing to do going forward though on the flip side? You could even make the case that one of the best things Jill Biden could do today or tomorrow is to announce a federal election review commission to actually look into wrongdoings at the state level with a buyer Persona bipartisan bill. Yeah hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, it's like a slam dunk case. Anyway if Biden did that and he you know, he basically embraced the notion that a lot of folks are really angry about and said, I'm listening to you. I'm hearing you. Let me show you and at the same time.
Did not prosecute Trump and you know, let him go off into the distance and do his own thing. Maybe you start to kind of, you know, heal the rift a little bit. But right now everyone's kind of inflamed and there is this like how do we prosecute it? What do we do? What he's do, you know, do you know and we're just continuing to kind of escalate the dialogue and increase the
rift. I just yeah. So look, I think Prosecuting Trump at this point. First of all it legally that might be a difficult case to prove because of the need to prove that the that he was trying to provoke.
Poke an imminent Lawless action, you know if he had been at the barricades, you know pushing people forward. Yes, but so I think Lea Lea be a tough case and I think it would be it like you said it be unnecessarily divisive and partisan. I don't know why we need to go there. I mean at the end of the day any politician stock in trade is their credibility and popularity and Trump has fundamentally damage their perception of him. I think even among the the right
I have a huge issue with this and I'll tell you why it's because
The folks that are now going to go to jail. We're instigated by this guy and the folks that were there in many ways were brought they were cajoled. They were instigated to travel from groomed to travel there to take the time out of their lives to basically then get fed this rhetoric and in a moment of just crazy mob like mentality to act out at the beginning.
Test of the leader of the Free World there has to be a consequence not just to those people because they in many ways are not the person to prosecute to the extent that you are going to put some of these people in jail, which we look like it looks like we're going to and by the way, let's be honest. There is no inconceivable way that these people get charged with a misdemeanor that's not going to stand right and the worst perpetrators of this when they get put in jail will get put in jail for five to 10 years minimum. And so what are we going to do when we look at ourselves?
Elves in the eye and say these poor Americans at the end of the day who were instigated by this guy and he yet again gets off scot-free while hundreds of Americans who were basically in a peak of craziness fed by this guy does something and goes to jail and you have hundreds of lives and hundreds of families ruined even if we don't find a way to basically put Trump in jail for this I can 100% guarantee you I will bet a million bucks.
That now the southern district of New York gloves off.
Every single state that can go after this guy gloves off and to the extent that Joe Biden had any incentive to basically like let this go away at the federal level gloves off in my opinion. I really I really really think so. What is it? What's say that folks do go after Trump. What does that do? If he gets put in jail, or he, you know gets there's some criminal proceeding brought against him. What does that do to the 50% of the nation that truly support him and truly care about
And I don't you know, I don't like the balance of Justice versus unification. You know how I think we're talking about 25% of the country. I think I don't even think it says right or whatever it is. Like there's obviously a big voting block and a big block of the potential block is really cool. I think I think I think of the 70 million people that voted for Donald Trump. I think there are half of them who would equally vote for a normal Centrist candidate me.
And Nikki Haley didn't necessarily believe in Donald Trump. Then I think there's the other 35 million and I do think that there's a spectrum of those 35 and I think that you probably lost 10 or 15 million of them after the events of yesterday where they just threw their hands up in the air and say hey wait, this is really only inflame 20 million is what yourself correct and I think there are three with tamannaah, right and those 20 million people are you know, sad to say concentrated in about ten states that don't functionally matter economically or
And so about the balance of justice for the unification certainly, it sounds like you're saying weighs heavily towards Justice right? Like more folks will benefit from seeing him come to Justice or what perceive Justice then I think what it will allow. I think it will allow the Republican party to recenter itself. I think that's better for politics. I think it's better for governance. It's better for America. I think it allows a lot of people to basically wake up out of this Haze that they've been in for years and say wow, wait a minute and it's enough like I was
On a really bad Bender. I did a couple things. I really regret and personally I need to recenter myself. How do you not find this turning into a tit-for-tat Berlusconi Italy Brazil Israel kind of phenomenon where you know take your leader then attack and challenged and taking the best of the Court best tweet. I saw on this was this woman tweeted out that the following she said when the Democrats lost in 2016, they knitted pink hats and donated to Planned Parenthood.
No, they didn't know they didn't they invented a ridiculous Russian conspiracy
theory. They David did they not like ten people went to
Jerusalem hooks the Russia hooks know it wasn't until honk. So what's
that? What they were out the Russians
were obviously trying to you're like the last person you're like the last person who still believes in this.
Well, listen, I still believe that they tried and I still believe I don't know that they succeeded but I
think you learn Mueller spent two years investigating this tens of millions of dollars 25 FBI, and this robbery gents
talking points. The fact is manafort.
Went to jail
for something completely unrelated. He these guys are a must be the last person who still believes that Trump wanted 2016 because of Russian
interfere. I think that they I think he asked the Ukraine for help and I think he asked the Russian for help and I think that he would have gladly accepted the help now is it was it a conspiracy that effect in the
Frank? No, it wasn't a conspiracy
it but it doesn't problem with your Russia talking point is that you're trying to just say because
Cuz he didn't get prosecuted which he's probably not going to get prosecuted for this either. The guy wasn't this the title offender. Okay, and they were trying to get information from Wikileaks and they were trying to get the facts and so I don't know why you can so clearly see what he's doing David when he incites this violence and then you don't see that he would he has no moral backbone or character and that he wouldn't accept foreign aid. He said that reason it's not that
that surd Yuri. Here's my view, okay.
My view is that when you lose an election as a candidate, you have to look in the mirror and ask what you did wrong. Okay, Trump failed to do that two months ago instead of just taking the L and you know, and he could have blamed it on the fact the vaccine was one week late. I mean there were there, you know instead of just accepting the loss. He invented this conspiracy theory that the election was stolen and he's basically like freiberg said been pumping it month after month and you know his enablers, you know have perpetuated until we had this, you know,
total breakdown and storming of the capital. But again, you know, where was the Democratic reassessment of why they lost in 2016 who on the Democrat side looked in the mirror and said, you know, we shouldn't have lost that election. You know, what did we do wrong? They didn't do that instead. They blamed it all on Russian interference or Facebook, you know, all of a sudden Facebook went from being a darling to being a scapegoat and there
was Russian dad's being bought with rubles.
Tons of Link Farms confirm done by the Russians in order to ferment anti-hillary sentiment. I mean, no it's happened. It's
true. It's true
affect the election. Nobody can know that but it did Us
return Yes, we can because yeah it did it did some
FSB back hitting there was Russian interference. No, I'm not saying there wasn't and now you're saying there was
told me about some talking about have some but no, no it's not because
Here's the here's where you're being misleading is yes, is it true that there was some FSB operative somewhere buying ads on Facebook.
Yes grids of them hundreds of them out of thousands
out of billions of Impressions. Okay, it was a microscopic number of total impressions of the election and the people who actually looked at those ads thought they were absurd imagining some operative and hold on. Let me finish my point. Imagine some operative in Moscow trying to influence American elections are buying ads on Facebook.
It did they try. Yes. Look foreign intelligence services are trying all the time. Okay, but was that the retry
they did try? Yes, but it was that Andy Trump and his family asked
them know there was no there's no proof of collusion. There was no proof of collusion. Okay, that's what middle take the meeting. Okay? No, that's what Mueller he spent two years investigating and found no collusion look, so my point is again. We're getting off on a rabbit hole here, but my point was when you as a candidate.
They lose an election you have to take responsibility for that that was not done in 2016. It was not done certainly in 2020 by trump. It is the problem with both our political parties that they would rather invent conspiracy theories and lies then acknowledge why people are
rejecting them.
Yeah, I guess I would say this but that is not the point David you are right. Okay, somewhere along the way we got stuck worrying about the pronouns that we use and which bathroom should be should not be transgendered while the American middle class was completely gutted from Pillar To Post. That is what's created the boundary conditions for this every single time. There's been an Insurrection or an uprising or
A revolution in America. It is never been about ideology. It is always been about economics always and economics is the tip of the spear in this country whether we like it or not. It started with the Boston Tea Party, you know, it continued through the Civil War. It is always been about that topic. So we all let it happen. We all have a responsibility to fix it that though is a topic I think for another day because that's the grand architect.
What we need to do in our generation and fix this inequality Gap. Meanwhile, we do have this tactical issue, which is you had the leader of the Free World in my opinion and I think in a lot of reasonable minded people's opinion instigating
essentially at a minimum a riot and at the maximum some form of like treason idiotic form of it. I don't know. I mean the problem is it's just that it's just like it's just it's incomprehensible what it is. I've fallen on the side that we need to prosecute him. Now, I was I was 50/50 on this but I'll tell you what's tipped me over is you know, if we don't prosecute them, there's this sort of like unfairness to it. I think that's a very good point you may trim off, but I also think
That he is go. We need to wake people up from this fog. They've been in to Freiburg. I don't I think we have to free the the Republican party to get back to some more version. That is reasonable. Like you are Sachs. I
would rather party. The Republican party has is already rejecting Trump. So just look at what's happened the last 24 to 48 hours even after this storming of the capital. Okay, you had Republicans who who were just hours before?
Ting to the electors. They basically we're saying no I've changed my mind.
Who is that? It means E Graham, but not all Crews. Not that other Kelly Muffler
in there are a few other ones who switch sides you had X you had excellent speeches by Lindsey Graham and in Romani, I agree with that. They spoke very very eloquently. And just today Elaine Chao resigned as Secretary of Transportation. I think that's mostly significant. Who is it? She's David. She's Mitch McConnell's wife. Yeah. Look, I think I think after Georgia the
Party was already blamed Trump for that. And now after the storming of the capital the ready to be done with them this idea that you need to prosecute Trump to end. His somehow end is relation with the Republican party. I think it will just backfire.
I don't think that's what the point is. I think the point is that nobody is above the law and when you when you lead, you know, what look the thing with the people that attended this rally is in any other situation and Jason you said earlier. These are our veterans.
Ins these are the people that are like working good jobs. They're trying to just keep America going. They've always believed in American exceptionalism. There was nothing wrong with that. It was just perverted by this fucking scumbag. Yep. He is a complete lease of shit fucking scumbag. He's garbage and I think that's why you have to prosecute him. I think you have to make an example of him. I know that they with Nixon they took a different approach, but I just think he's too dangerous to leave unprosecuted because every time he has some bad behavior whether was
Ukraine whether it's you know Russian we can debate what level they wanted to engage with the Russians or the you know, in the case of this riotous Behavior, you know, I think he's not going to stop that's the thing that I fear is I don't think he's gonna stop would rather I would rather take every single person arrested and give them 0 days in jail and add it all up and give it to Trump.
Well, I wouldn't I mean I agree with you to some degree that they
Were victims of this two-month propaganda campaign to convince the right that this election was stolen. I think a lot of those people who are storming the capital they were there but not to steal an election because they were thought they were there to prevent the ceiling would election and so yes, they have been duped by a lot of people including leading with with Trump, but including a lot of other people who should have known better, but that being said they did make the decision to hop the barricade smash the windows.
Go into the capital some personal responsibility. Absolutely. Yeah, we can't we tragedy of this
woman like but let's talk about this woman for a second and I think it's important to look at the specific case. This is a person who's a veteran and she was inside the Halls are ready and was trying to breach another area and she was just shot dead by Secret Service. They might have been protecting the VP that might have been protecting Nancy Pelosi or Mitch McConnell, who knows but
They shot her
dead. Yeah, I saw it on video. I mean it's on
video. It's unbelievable. And it yeah, I mean coming from a law enforcement family. I can tell you that's a clean shooting if she was breaching and they told her do not come in here. We're going to shoot you and they were protect the secret Services protecting an asset. They're allowed to shoot you like you can't jump that and she's a military veggies from the Air Force. I mean what is in her mind? How wound up was she by Trump and buy this property?
Ganda that when they told her do not breach the second door inside the way you just said the key word. You cannot be spun up in all of this by Giuliani. He's a fucking moron, you know, he can barely like not wet his pants. Yeah, you know, you're not going to get spun up by Sidney Powell. The only person that can really catalyze. This is the person that has the respect that comes with sitting in the seat that's called the presidency of the United States and she's the only one he's the only one we all know.
Know this because if Giuliani was running this rally and said, let's go storm the capital. Nobody would have done it. We all know this.
Look, yeah. What do you
think about this woman David like think about the psychology of this person for a second the humanity of it, you know, I'll say something I think man politics is isn't the problem. It's kind of a manifestation of the problem if you think about how crazy it is that I posted a tweet about this the other day cuz I've been thinking about it a lot. I think it's so crazy that you can show people a TV ad or a or a Facebook ad and get them to change their mind on what to vote.
Like people are kind of shown stuff and the bigger problem is this kind of reductionism. That's that's kind of enveloped all of this. You know, if you go back a hundred years, I guarantee you people were having deeper more civil conversations about differences of opinion and ways to govern and and laws to govern us and I think like, you know, it's so easy to put a 30 second kind of reductionist add in front of someone.
Insight there kind of amygdala to respond and change their mind about something or push him in some direction. And I think that's the bigger issue with like what's been going on is people are kind of being pushed all the way to one side or pushed all the way the other side through this, you know, this this very kind of simple process. There is no dialogue to decide what candidate to vote for dialogue to decide what path to take. It's all in City Heights like lock his ass up, you know kill them like everything is become extremely binary.
And the gray scale is really the reality and unfortunately, we've kind of really hurt ourselves in this tribalism over objectivism kind of approach to how we talk as a society and how we debate and as a result people are pushed over the edge and I think this is a manifestation of that broader problem, which I think is probably linked to the internet and short attention spans and all this shit's going off. So why?
I think the GOP has just been completely, you know, but it's not just the GOP dominated. Now that what I'm saying, they're all they we think is a good segue into Georgia, but you which is him about AOC and you could say that AOC is doing the same to the Democratic party and their you know equally frustrated with this extremist point of view or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders and there, you know, none of them got the nomination. That's right. And none of them got cabinet positions think they could have and they were closed and it was like Hey look give everyone a
Dollars, okay, great like and tax the rich 90% great like it's easy to say and and my point is by the way. I think the root of a lot of this is its people are programmed to be unhappy right that that's how you instigate people to take action the the bottom ten percent of Americans make more money and have a better position in life than the top 10% of Kenyans and it's an incredible statistic if you think about it go to Dollar Street dot org or dollars b.com and you can actually play around and see what different people live like around the
Old yet in the US we are told at every strata whether you're wealthy or or not wealthy relative to others in the United States that you should be better off and it is you know happiness is the difference between expectation and outcome and everyone's been set an expectation beyond what they currently have and as a result through programmatic work that is done on people in the United States. We are being told you should be unhappy. Oh and by the way, here's the short term solution to resolve it and it's driving.
An incredible amount of Behavioral shift and it really threatens democracy as we saw this week. And you guys will remember my my big loser for the political loser for 2020 was the American Democratic institution and I think we saw that this week and I agree on the on the heels of that. Can I ask you guys what you think of this?
Basically Pelosi has told pants. You have to invoke the 25th Amendment where they're going to take up impeachment. What do you guys think about that? I think it's the right thing to do. How do you do that to have to be up there has to be a backstop against that you wanted me to do something crazy. You could store here's the thing and I tweeted a pretty bizarre about this if you are impeached successfully you can't run again. So I think that this is a way to put the nail in the coffin of trump even having the ability to
Run in 2020 for which I think is why the Democrats are on the right side of history on this one. That's my bitch made me sign a non-prosecution agreement with him if he resigns and that's kind of the final, you know, I mean, I would like to see
but Jason why can't you trust voters to make the right decision in
2024? I
do a trust voters. It's not about trusting the voters. It's more about do I think they should be ramifications for somebody's Behavior. That's that's my fear is that if he keeps getting away with stuff he could do something even more violent or dangerous as jamaat said earlier. It's a miracle that a hundred people were in shot dead. And this wasn't a firefight. I mean if somebody takes out a gun at any moment during that and people start shooting we could have hundreds of people Americans dead. Not just the four who died and I think Trump is
You'll be capable of doing something in the last 14 days if he did this 15 days out, why wouldn't he do something else seven days out or three days out. He's a maniac. I mean this is insane deranged criminal lunatic Behavior. It's completely possible that he could do something more dangerous in the last 14 days. I know that that sounds crazy. But look at what we saw
yesterday. I think I think there is like a white-knuckle element to the next two weeks. I think we're all kind of white.
Chuckling it to see what's going to happen. We have 300 hours to go till Biden is sworn in and I've got to admit like I'm counting down the hours. You know, it's time I'd say no more everybody. Everybody's feeling everybody's feeling that that being said, I just think that I'm more on free Berg's point of view on this that we have this insane level of partisan Warfare in the u.s. It's gone to like a whole nother level and iatest and and Trump has
If we made it worse in the story of the capital is the you know is the Zenith of it. It's the Apex but look the other side's been doing it too. And the question is just how we deescalate this
insane person War for the escalation chamath isn't Biden like being elected aside. I think it is. Yeah, I think it is. It's like we picked the most boring candidate who has the most milk toast middle of the road approach whoo-hoo Lindsey Graham likes and who traveled the world with I mean,
Lady G loves him.
What's it to the extent that Biden has a mandate. This is it I mean and he talked about it in his victory speech that night which was which was quite good. It's about bringing people together. Now, look, I mean the issue is one of the issues is you can't ignore the fact that democrats for the last four years ago have waged this insane partisan war against Trump. I mean, let's not even go into the merits but you had this two-year Mueller Witch Hunt you then had this impeachment.
You know Crusade which look if there was a lot of validity to the impeachment. Why wasn't it used as a campaign issue last year? I just think everybody knows let me ask that where she everybody knows that was hyper partisan. And my point is that yeah. Look, I mean, I think it's a good thing if Biden can deescalate things that that is that is I think why he won the election is he was seen as more of a saying alternative. Let me ask you a question
sex.
Do you think it would have been do you think if Trump had been impeached for the Ukraine interference and Pence had taken over? We would not have seen what we would see in yesterday and the country would have been further along to Healing.
So, you know, I mean Pence would not have invited or asked all his supporters to come to the capital to oppose. Okay County the counting of the electors. I look that was a unique Trump thing for you know, he could not accept the
Loss and had to keep pushing and pushing and pushing got on this idea that he that the election was stolen. Okay. What about good idea to impeach Noah. Noah wouldn't know what it because if you had if you had impeached Trump and it well first of all, he was impeached. Okay, but if you had voted to confirm bottom if you removed him from Office, the senate had voted to convict over a phone call. Okay, and look I'm not defending the phone call about saying the phone call was perfect. Okay. I know Trump says it was perfect. It was not a perfect phone call, but you can't remove a sitting president for that.
Okay, look it was unseemly or whatever. I think we all know what he was trying to do in that phone call, but you can't remove a sitting president over that that was hyper partisan. And so no the country would be much further apart today if you had done that and so the question now is how do you bring it back together? And I think I understand where Tomas is coming from. I think that Trump deserves morally culpable E. I think he is computation some repudiation, but but I don't believe in
Locking him up or Prosecuting him. That's the only going to make things much more
time for this crime. We don't even know what else is out there. I mean, I have a yeah, it's other issues out there. Let's talk about Georgia. Let's let I think we've nailed the Trump. I mean less anybody really feels like continuing to talk to us associate. Stacey Abrams is a genius. I mean my gosh, she should be in charge of everything.
Yeah. Can we get her on the vaccine rollout?
Well trucks incredible get some credits ACN has done an incredible job on the Democrats side mobilizing turn out but the reason why the Republicans lost Georgia is frankly Trump. I mean Trump costs them Georgia two months ago Purdue beat us off in that election. He was right he won he won attend and and he's beating him before I think he is. I mean, he's not the most wonderful candidate, but I think he is a better candidate and he lost because of these Antics over.
Us two months culminating in that insane phone call that Trump had with the Georgia Secretary has talked about Roethlisberger, right? I mean should hear China's economy
at Saks can't
you just find me a lot of thousand votes. Look I just think you know, I don't think it's more
prosecutable sending people to the capital or asking them and begging them to find him 11,000 votes which one is more prosecutable to use accents. You're going to frame a stops. Let's Jason. Hold on. Let's move let's move away from the whole Trump goes to jail for a second. I just want to
Ooh, I think it's important to talk about Georgia because I think David you're going to make a point.
Yeah, exactly. I mean look, I think we're getting hung up too much on the legalities and let's talk about what's right and wrong, you know, which we is what we can agree on and let you know lawyers and prosecutors figure out the legalities Ramesh ponnuru from National view had a great quote about Georgia. He said that Purdue and loffler could have survived any two of these three being unimpressive candidates, Georgia shifting purple and Trump being a maniac and
Really you had three out of three and that's why they lost if it has a great is a great quote, you know, because you had the Roethlisberger call, you know, can't you just find the 11,000 votes the day before the election or two days before the election. I mean that had to push swing voters and undecideds to the Democrats. And the other thing is that Purdue and La Fleur weren't able to make the best argument that they had which is if you vote for us you end up with split you prevent the Democrats from having all the power in, Washington.
And so unless you want to give all the power and washed into a single party you need to vote for us. That was the best argument for voting for them because there's a lot of people in this country who believe in splitting their ticket because they don't trust either party which is kind of where I'm at, but they were unable to make that argument effectively because Trump was still hanging on to the idea that he was going to be president.
No, I think David I honestly I think this comes down to the intelligence the candidates Kelly laughter is a moron. She's an idiot David produce a good old boy. He's
An idiot, they're just stupid. This actually speaks to a bigger problem, which is the Republicans could do so much better if they could actually find younger more vibrant intelligent people and instead they find these fucking morons. I don't know where they find them. But you know, they put Kelly La Florida some like backstage Dallas beauty pageant just kind of like fluffed her up and tried to get her to run. She's a
moron La Fleur La Fleur was a mistake La Fleur was a
mistake fucking idiot. Did you read the story about her with the WNBA?
But that mean driving is unbelievable. They basic Georgia. Georgia is full of so many incredible politicians and they found that
idiot. Now that was a huge mistake if they just voted or yeah, maybe the governor made a huge mistake. They put they appoint her to the last two months. So I agree that she's a particularly weak candidate, but the Republicans only need one of these two elections and Purdue had beaten off of for I agree with you. He's not necessarily the greatest candidate of all time, but he has proved better than all soften the past including November and the reason why
He lost two months later is because what's transpired in the last two months Biden has acted presidential and Trump has done what he's done and that made all the difference and that by the way is why you're seeing the Republicans breaking from Trump. They were already on their way to Breaking with him. And then you had this David's only the capital.
What are the implications for Josh Holly and Ted
Cruz?
I think I think this was a blow to them because I think that what they were doing in terms of opposing the the electors everybody knew it was sort of cynical and theater. It was theaters for those performative theaters that designed to Curry favor with Trump so that he might endorse them in 2024 for the nomination and and it was it was opportunistic. And the problem is it backfired horribly and you know people
See it for what it was. And so yeah, I think it's going to ultimately they try to do something option Mystic that they thought would help them. Politically. I think it's going to hurt
them but way I have to ask you guys. Do you guys know the backstory of La Fleur and the Atlantic dream the WNBA team it's too so honestly Jason, I'm going to get so angry because she is just a complete piece of shit. Please don't lie. I'm you can bring it up. I think she is just exactly free Burger aware of this but I think she's a complete piece of shit. She basically tell the
Tori it's basically she was anti BLM and she was writing letters to the NBA WNBA to not allow the players to to be vocal about black lives matter with the you know, after the killing of the murder of George Floyd.
And so what the team did if you look at that story is they backed Warnock they got on the call with him. They refused to say her name and they rallied the support of Warnock who ultimately beat her and they refuse to say her name. I just ever again if you the players on the same team courage if you want to see Courage the women that play in the WNBA are some of the most incredible people. Yes environment World. These are these are women's that have
Basically stopped their athletic careers stopped Fame, you know stopped all of the attention in some cases stopped fortunes to work on behalf of Criminal Justice Reform to basically overturn the, you know, unjust convictions. These women are incredible and then to be suppressed to be able to say what was on their mind Kelly La Fleur is a piece of shit and they basically were these vote Warnock t-shirts every day at every game. I mean imagine
And now they're I think going to be 450 to those with yeah, brah give them Schubert I think is the was the leader of the whole movement around water. Yeah Bravo to her.
All right moving on from politics. I think we have to talk Freiburg about the deployment of the vaccine. I did a quick poll on Twitter and Twitter and the American people have asked that Freiburg the queen of quinoa be responsible for the
vaccine distribution going forward really damn man. Let's do it. I would what is your guy we I love you and get that vaccine into everyone's arms and 75 days. I mean it would be would be would be such a stone-cold block. Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah. I don't know I said Happy Birthday, what would you do if you want to do that and maybe you could describe, you know, we're supposed to be at a million a day. We're at 350 trending towards 400. We did 1.5 million in 72 hours according to Fouch at one point.
And right after the new year, so we're kind of like halfway where we need to be.
What would you do differently? Because the rollout seems we only had said more than 50% are on the shelves still it's an arms. It is a wartime scenario when war is happening. You don't go home at 5 p.m. And wake up at 9 a.m. And clock out for an hour for lunch. And you know, you don't. Oh, well don't run too fast. You know, you might trip you don't do any of that. We've created incredible disincentives in the system by in fact Cuomo put out a million dollar fine.
If if you get your vaccine out of line, I mean think about the disincentive that creates now people are more scared about giving the vaccine to the wrong person. Then they are incentivized to give the vaccine to the right person. And the reality is this is a group game. This is an individual game. It's not about who gets vaccinated first and you'll live and you'll die. We all need to get vaccinated as a group so that we all have immunity so that this virus stop spreading it doesn't matter if you're individually.
Vaccinated it matters if we're all vaccinated cuz that's the only way we're all going to get out of the economic slump that is truly damaging this country right now. And so the first step is create a military-style operation figure out how many feet on the ground. You know, it's all a rate based system, right? How many are you running per day? And then how do you achieve that objective and over time? You have your target rate per day you would scale it up over 75 days or whatever your rollout time frame needs to be and you would say this is how we're going to get there. We need this number of people giving shots this many minutes apart.
And then you go figure out where you going to give the shots and who's going to give them get the vaccines to where they need to get to take over all the gymnasiums and all the stadiums and all the open sports facilities around the country people can drive up stand in line get a freaking shot and 65 year olds get priority for the first 30 days and then after 30 days, you're 65 and over crowd loses their priority and it's open season for who wants to get a shot you stand in line. You get a shot walk-in you got 3.8 million nurses in the United States you go.
Contract 500,000 of them you give them a huge freaking one-time bonus to come and run this program you run 24 hour shifts in the gymnasiums around the country people come in. They get shots. They get out takes three minutes if you're feeling weird, if you have risk of allergies you go sit in the other room you wait for two hours. There's a bunch of roaming nurses. Keep an eye on you and you get this thing done. That's it. This is not that complicated and we can Leverage The National Guard to create the infrastructure to support these lines and get these things done. We can go recruit. There are plenty of nurses associations. You can go people can work overnight.
Shift and get paid triple overtime get extra bonuses for doing this is a great way to kind of create an economic stimulus around this we can get at this one tire country vaccinated in 90 days. And the way that Israel is doing it is a great model, you know, when they run out of scrap that yeah. So at the end of the day if you know that when you open when you take these things out of deep freeze you're at risk of them spoiling at that point because the MRNA is very, you know can break and so it needs to be really cold and then you got to give the vaccine very quickly. Otherwise the MRNA can degrade and it's not effective and you have to defrost it.
In order to give it. Yes, he defrost it. Then it's sitting there. Now, you got to give it within a couple hours and if you got expert so it's just an example the down located what they're doing and Israel. Is there looking outside they grab the pizza guy that's on the bicycle crawl on the bicycle cruising by the like do you want a shot? Come on in they give them a shot the grab the next guy you do not need to track everyone that gets his shot. You do not need everyone to show their ID to get a shot. You do not need to XYZ all the disincentives that create friction in the system of rolling out the vaccine need to be completely eliminated. There's no qualifying criteria, except maybe being 65 and over for the
Thirty Days and we've prioritized politics over health and safety. We have made it the case that the teachers should get the shot first because the teachers unions created an uproar in California. So they're not going to go to work unless they so now the teachers are going to get it and the essential workers are going to get it with you people that are working in stores and warehouses and other stuff and meanwhile, the people that can actually die from this 15 percent likelihood of death if you're over 85 are not getting it because they're not technically an essential worker. So the prioritization where we've tried to create these are potential politically-motivated.
Items for defining who gets the vaccine and who doesn't it's absolutely killing us and literally killing us four thousand people died yesterday in the United States. And so the system is fucked up the incentives. We don't bleep that out because that's exactly what it is, but I didn't fuckin the disincentives we've created are destroying the rollout the the governor's getting involved in creating models of prioritization that are politically motivated or killing us and and we should centrally planned. This thing war production act make a shit ton of the stuff grab it all get a hundred million doses.
Distributed in the gymnasiums around the country get the nurses in there get the National Guard or should have been Federal. I mean, that's the key the should have any federal effort Central planning is sometimes needed to get shit done. We did it with the war production board during World War Two we did with the Manhattan Project. We there have been countless examples where we've had to centralized planning for a massive short-term event. And this is one of those events and this needs to be prioritized and organized centrally and it needs to have the right-minded people on this not kind of people that
Are you know political operatives and not people that are working 9:00 to 5:00? Well, the good news is this is a war and we need to go in the fucking War. I mean because Trump has time. He's at Camp David this weekend. So I think he can put some attention to it sacks.
Can I ask a question Freiburg? Yeah, so you know, what do you think about just using markets to distribute the
vaccine? It's a great idea. I think you know, you have to get the incentive such that time based systems are the incentive right because the objective here is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
So take that being your objective and then figure out look you guys are going to get $1,000 per person vaccinated in the first 15 days and then you're gonna get $500 and then so, you know, whatever the transition is and then anyone can sign up to buy doses at a cost. They have skin in the game, right? That's an alternative. So like Walgreens and CVS by 50 million Doses and then they're incentivized to get them rolled out as quickly as possible. Let them do the work sure and frankly if a few people have anaphylactic reactions across the country. That's just the reality in war.
You have some casualties this can't be perfect. It has to be good enough to win the war.
Well, I'm by the way when somebody goes into anaphylactic shock just to clarify that all you have to do. Yeah, you got an epic shot. It's not fatal. If you have an EpiPen,
that's right. And so so, you know when you get a when you get a you know a vaccine if you get one of these vaccines to 40% to 60% of people are going to have some sort of reaction. You can have a fever because either these produce a ton of proteins in your body relative to what you would normally
Lee, you know kind of experience with it with a dead vaccine that a lot of vaccines in your but there's a lot of protein in your body your body reacts to get rid of that protein you produce all these antibodies very quickly. So you end up having a fever you end up having some some allergic response or headaches are flushing or whatever. So everyone's going to have a lot of people going to have some sort of thing. So one of the concerns is they want to have nurses available and they want to have this feel like a controlled medical environment. But again, the reality is we have to stack it up. We have to accept the fact that people are going to be uncomfortable. It is not going to be an easy simple.
Vaccine like you get the flu vaccine at Walgreens going to be a little bit uncomfortable. You may not have five or six nurses surrounding you and getting all the TLC that Americans have become used to getting every time we you know, brush our friggin teeth and and we're going to have some people go into anaphylactic shock and they're going to get EpiPen shots and you know, and we shouldn't be charging $1,500 for EpiPen shots as another, you know important point, but I think the market base model could work as well. So
everything is real done this right? I mean Israel, they moved the old people to the front of the line, but anybody can get in line.
They've got extra doses that day. They just keep sticking people. They keep jabbing people until they run out all day long till they run
out. That's right. And so they're probably a twenty percent of the population by
now.
Yeah, so I I'm sure we all agree with everything you're
saying it speaks to an enormous amount of political and competence. I mean, it's really really just unbelievable why we just don't have smarter people in charge of these things but exact I just want to ask you because you know, there is the conservative argument on this which is you know States the federal government shouldn't be doing everything and states need to kind of manage their populist and manage. You know, what goes on locally, you know, what is the conservative? I'm not asking.
This I'm not attacking you. I'm just asking like what is the conservative argument for not doing central planning and Central organization around vaccine distribution and delegating it to States and you know are there, you know, do you think that there's a case against you know for that that's pretty strong in within the Republican party and within kind of conservative.
I think if there's a conservative point of view on this it would just be that let markets distribute the vaccine they'll do a much better job. I don't you know, I think whether it's federal or state the question.
In is who's more incompetent, and I'm not really sure. I mean, I think the problem right now is that when you make vaccine distribution fundamentally political then the debate becomes about exactly who's what is your position going to be exactly in line as opposed to just running the most number of people through the process as quickly as possible. We're getting ourselves. So twisted up in knots over making sure that the exact right person is in line that we're having, you know vaccine go to waste.
To put that in context 21 million plus doses have been distributed the United States 5.9 have made their way into people's arms. In other words. There are 15 Millions over 75% of doses have not gone in people's arms and in California, we have distributed five point eight five percent of the populations vaccines, but we've only put 1.3 in people's arms. So we are literally for a
X where we should be we're at 25 percent of where we should be. It is absolutely unbelievable that this is happening and means the
government if the government if the government stopped trying to do anything except, you know, look it did Operation warp speed that actually did help get vaccines done faster. But
if you just just that was just money to your point sacks. All they did was create a market where they basically pre-bought all the vaccines whether or not they were going to work and then funded the market to go and produce them early. That's all that it was. So to your point that much
Warp speed for everyone thinking it's a massive centrally controlled effort. It was a market-based incentives. They put wasn't the Manhattan Project is what you're saying they put up because they put up a couple billion dollars and said to all these Pharma companies go produce the vaccine and if it works will buy them if it doesn't work throw them away, but let's get production going and that was it. Can I can I use this as a segue? Like, I mean what we're seeing is sort of we have a bunch of elected officials. We give them, you know an enormous amount of responsibility.
Ability, they also get this implied power and then you just you see sometimes in these acute moments. They're totally derelict then I just want to move off of vaccines for a second. Then you get an elected official who is not acutely incompetent, but it seems broadly grossly and consistently incompetent and I want to talk about chesa Boudin and I want to use saxes article which to be very honest. David was probably one of the most
Incredibly well-written things. Well done. You have ever created. I don't know Jason do we have shownotes? Can we put it in will put in the show notes here. We'll put a link in the show notes. It is so fucking good what you wrote if everybody folks who are listening have a chance to read David's.
Killer Dia the killer da but it basically, you know starts with the profile of this young woman seemed like an incredible woman that was killed by this drunk driver. But anyways, David you want to talk about
it? And yes, I mean, so for the last with that's it for last couple of months. I've been following the San Francisco a couple of San Francisco Police Department accounts on Twitter and I was noticing these extraordinary tweets, which are getting retweeted a lot about how they kept arresting and then having to let go
Of all these criminals who are committing burglaries and other crimes and you could see the frustration of the police department boiling off these tweets and you know, basically they are subtweeting this new district attorney that we've had chased the Budin who is elected. He's been in office about a year. He's elected the end of 2019. And so I started doing a little bit of research and then we had this horrible New Year's Eve killing of this, you know, wonderful young woman Hannah Ave. Who came
To America from Japan for college and stayed here for work. She was just 27 years old. She gets killed by by a criminal someone who was released. He was paroled by chasing butene back in April. He had been in jail for armed robbery Jason released him as part of a plea bargain and then he was arrested five more times for stealing cars and other crimes most recently two weeks ago.
And the da refused to press charges and that that's the reason he was out on New Year's Eve. He stole a car and then there was a hit and run where he killed Hannah and another woman and so, you know, I had already been noticing this issue. And so I started doing some some research and I have a research assistant helping me with this is the only way I could put something like this together and we went pretty deep and we realized that the death of Hannah wasn't just an accident or an act of negligence.
Since by this da it was part of an overall philosophy of Dakar serration that he has but he has his background is very interesting. He was a child of parents who are in The Weather Underground who when he was just a baby committed armed robbery and were part of the murder,
which was David. Yeah David say the words. They were domestic
terrorist. Yeah. They were they were that's right. There were domestic terrorists. They participated in an armed robbery against a Brinks truck which results were domestic terrorists that were
competent when
To what we saw yesterday in the capital like these are highly capable domestic terrorists to be
clear. I don't know. I don't know how capable they were there their robbery results in the death of two police officers and a Brinks guard and they were put in prison his mother spent 20 years in prison. She's not released her. His father is still in prison for almost 40 40 years and he's described in interviews how his earliest memories are visiting his parents in prison how this shaped his entire political out.
Outlook and he became a public defender, which I think was a pretty good place for him. I think if I were an Indigent, you know criminal defendant I would want someone like Jason booty on my side and but the problem is he ran for district attorney and he simply doesn't believe in Prosecuting huge numbers of crimes, you know, certainly property crimes burglary shoplifting vandalism, and those crimes have absolutely spiked in the city, you know 45
Percent increase in burglaries in one year 35% increase in stolen cars 30% increase in homicides crimes are through the roof because he simply doesn't believe in putting people in
jail.
Well, you know, I just say did I tell you sorry let me just point out. There's a there's a little bit of a history to to this notion that DA's should change the criminal justice system is a TED Talk by a guy named Adam Foss X. I don't know if you've seen it or if any of you guys have watched it. I was at the Ted conference the year that he spoke but this guy basically thought you know, he made the case that it is the role in the opportunity for the district attorney for the prosecutor to change the criminal justice system from the prosecutorial side that you can.
you know kind of demotivate jail and and and other kind of, you know mechanisms of punishment and and push for a for a rehabilitation program as an alternative and that the District Attorney's can take this role on of changing the criminal justice system and it created a little bit of a mini movement and there was a lot of attention and follow up after he gave his Ted Talk and I think San Francisco in large part picked up on the momentum coming out of this and other similar sort of stories about the DEA can really change the criminal
the justice system and chesa boudin really kind of capitalized on it in principle. A lot of people are motivated from a good place when they elected him, which is it is unfortunate. A lot of people get trapped in a life of crime and the fact that they're in and out of prison is a result of the fact that they're put into the criminal justice system and the first place and parole is really harsh on people and all these other reasons why people's lives are ruined for simple mistakes and if they get an opportunity in life, they can fix themselves and they can come out in a better place. So there is a bit of an origin story.
It's not just like San Francisco said let's get an anarchist to be RDA and destroy the world and kill us all like I think it came from a good and true place where this all kind of rigid, but obviously the experiment has gone severely Ryan San Francisco and his particular methods and his particular actions have certainly caused far more harm than anyone has seen any good. That's I think what we wanted out they've started the recall effort for him to well. I think that I think the danger is not that you have an enlightened political philosophy, I think.
Actually quite great than that. We can experiment. I think the danger is both on the left and on the right where people cathartic lie deal with childhood trauma through their job. And you know, I don't know what Jessica Dean has gone through and I feel very bad that he had an incredibly hard life or complicated or maybe not I don't even know but I wouldn't want to know that he's trying to deal with his own experiences through his job because that's not his job. I mean
You know, you don't want an activist da. I think you want to Da that's enforcing the laws and what you do want is you want to elect politicians who change the laws to reflect our values?
Yeah, that would be a better through line. I think and and really I mean if you look at what's happening in San Francisco, I think we've conflated income inequality which people in San Francisco are very tuned in to with essentially junkies people who are addicted to incredibly hardcore drugs that are very hard to get off of and we've had more deaths from overdoses of fentanyl then we've had from covid by a magnitude of 405.
I mean it is bedlam on the Streets of San Francisco. And if you don't enforce a basic rule of law, what happens is the price of drugs gets cheaper more available more people try them more people get addicted and then more people come from other places because they know you have the lowest price on drugs and the price of drugs is inversely correlated with prosecution of drug crimes. So I'm prosecution of crime. So this is why San Francisco is spiral up and most drugs are purchased from crib.
So fun so, you know criminal activity goes up to fund the drug purchasing. So that's the Vicious Cycle that it's driving San Francisco and there is a recall going on and then in related news.
Gavin Newsom is now up to a million signatures in his recall, which I think is two-thirds of the way there. Yeah, they have until mid or late February. They're going to get the votes and I think I think the question, you know Friedberg and I talked about this is just on a phone call. He and I caught up couple days ago. I think it is time guys for us to find an incredibly Centrist thoughtful candidate and put them into the recall race against
Newsom Freiburg had the best idea which was Kim Kardashian, which I think is incredible because she is very smart. She's very likable. She's got enormous distribution. She's like she's about to become a lawyer. You know, that'll be the amazed at that fucking for Kardashian to run for president. Look it's pretty clear, you know recognition influence Fame is what gets people elected, you know, not the best policy and not the greatest experience from Jesse Ventura to Arnold Schwarzenegger to Donald Trump Ronald. Danzer Ronald Reagan. I mean, these are
Celebrities who I would argue in the case of Jesse Ventura Arnold Schwarzenegger and maybe even Donald Trump as well. Their celebrity was kind of, you know, it had hit its media-driven apex and and this was a second act and you know, perhaps someone like that is a great fit here Kim Kardashian really fits the bill, but you know, I that's just a shot in the dark, but I do think someone like that needs to go up because if you put politician up again, it's another one of these eye-rolling events and for you know for the
that's the kind of really find appeal. It has to be a recognized person, you know broadly recognized and like to person
Give me one it could be you. He's Governor Jason.com got our Jason. I'm not ready to run a little obvious. I'm 50. I'm when I'm 60, I would consider it actually but not right now.
I want to wear it a hop to I think we all got a hot but I was going to say one thing which is the beginning of today's podcast was probably the punchiest it's ever been and I think it just speaks to the fact that there was so there the bar was so high for Trump to have done something that would have actually gotten us to actually argue and interrupt each other, you know, because we've been so incredibly like loving and protective of each other for four years on this topic, but it literally took an armed insurrection.
Rights to fight lease and you think I'm obsessed. He's the best he's I mean, I think it's good for people to see sacks and maybe an eye or shimoff and sacks or whoever disagree on some of these cases or Freiburg, you know doesn't believe in Prosecuting Trump. I think we actually had a split ticket there where Saxon Freiburg felt like we shouldn't prosecutor up and trim off and I were in the prosecutor up one but I think we're all struggling with these issues. All Americans are struggling with these issues of how do you deal with a black?
Swan event, I think that's what's so unique about Trump is and I think David you can speak to this is I don't think the system was designed for his level of crazy. Right like our system is based on Norms and traditions and Trust just like Venture investing is and we see this in Venture investing some founder goes off the jumps the fence and all of a sudden, you know. Yeah, I mean, well we
still I would say our system perform pretty well in terms of being stressed tested and well look we still got two more.
Ex, you know, I think we're all kind of we're all kind of white-knuckling it right now. Yeah, nothing nothing. Yeah, hopefully nothing else happens. But but look if if Trump's goal was a coup, you know, I think it's a strong word. But if it's like it totally failed, I mean he didn't come close to know to succeeding in a coup the operative. In fact the opposite he again we talked about how I think his he destroyed his popularity over the last two
months. He impacted his earnings by now.
Negative 2 billion dollars.
Yeah, so but but you know, but to this point about us agreeing or disagreeing, you know, I saw a whole bunch of fans of the Pod like at mentioning me saying I wonder what Sachs is going to say about this. I don't know what like, yeah, and I'm kind of like like what do they think I'm going to say? Like, they think I'm going to be supportive of this. I mean, you know, like I think somehow you Jason you've programmed the viewers that I like I'm saying how like the Trump the Trump guy.
You know because you're always trolling me is the Trump supporter. I mean,
I would believe that Russia was a hoax and that no one would have been treated the same climbing up those steps. We all know that's not true. We're reactor self-inflicted wounds of your own good take some ownership there boys, boy. Yeah, I gotta hop. Okay. I love you very much. Happy New Year. Happy New Year at best. I will say one thing before we meet next time they'll guarantee you some highly unexpected and highly impactful thing will occur.
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