This is awesome. What a beautiful home to well, thank you. Nice little background. So is this considered Malibu? This is like
past malleable better. Choose a little foggy today for a little clearer. Be a little bit better.
What a view? You see that Bub.
Yeah. This is what you call your fucking trap. That's Bertha. We got another black one around here
somewhere.
How long have you been living out here? Seven years. Wow. Yeah. Well,
when can we fix her Mike? I was yeah, I got it when I was looking for a place. I wanted something that was very private. But I also love to view and it just so happens. I showed up here and I said pool. Let's take a run at it. So wound up getting it. But
yeah, it was tough at
first because this was right in the middle of some changes in my
life.
That nobody knew
about. And I had terrible problems with paparazzi's and mountains. And really, oh, every place. I went there were everywhere. So I built a wall around the outside up here, just a fence. So, at least I think so. Well to the
proves he would, like, come up here and talk about it. Pop rock, they would hear up in these mountains until legal. Take photos of you in the backyard. Yeah, that's so
fucked up. And it's so illegal. So,
what's the play there? If you see a Paparazzi the mountains, you call the police or
something.
I would sometimes call the police, the biggest place they had was up here on there and they would just spy on you and wait to see what you're doing. And so I pull vassa and then the copper of Vanity Fair came out and the walls came down. There. It is. Yeah. Screw all these people. Yeah, it is and slowly the proprieties went
away. Yeah, we saw you. You got to deal with Fox News. So y'all are you like an official Fox News analyst now?
Cash, that's amazing. Is that congratulations? Yeah, that's a very good thing. That's awesome. Yeah, I didn't know,
we're on the conservative side. They liberal side and everything. We
play Both Sides. I started. Yeah, we started when I was going. We just got we just go right into it. Yeah. Now this is we just go for it. Wait a sec.
You just go for it yet. Now. This is a podcast. I don't do a lot of podcast, don't know. That's why it really is kind of 30-second sound bites, you know, it's all put together, you know, and how much time do we have?
Much as you want to give us
a budget friendly room. And by the way, like, I went out and sleep a minute. I didn't sleep one minute last night Caitlin, why they have a 10 ft project that they did. So they had these meta card holders. So I took them out for a night and no way and we took them out all night as one of the utilities behind it. Is I, when I go to City to City
held, I got a back room, if you want to take a nap. I mean, we could probably handle this. This is released.
Here's to good.
The
room. This is too good to leave the room. I want to be right here.
Caitlin doesn't want you on the pot either.
She's told me already. You're like the YouTube comments. Now I get
regular cream. Actually, honestly, I think the problem I'm going to have as all get in trouble because I have too much time and he and I could say go as long as you want. Well, it's yeah. A'ight. I'm a Storyteller. I tell too many stories and everybody says the exact same thing. Shut up. Not now, we want all the stories. That's all everyone. All the
stories. Really. Yeah, you off if he's bored too. So really it's boring. He'll do
that. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Well good. Well
cut weird. Well, yeah, congrats on the fox thing. I saw that that was really
cool and very excited about that. It's a great platform. I have always been on the conservative side, you know older come from a patriotic family. Love this country, love our flag. 1976 was our country's bicentennial year.
And three weeks earlier was the biggest Fourth of July birthday celebration. This country's ever had patriotism was at his height. I was the first person ever put up a
Their country's flag at the Finish Line. Wow, and the yeah and why? Because I was one really proud of my country and some guy jumped out of the stands and put it in my hand and I go, oh, what am I supposed to do with this? You know, so I put it up but that's kind of the picture that came from that. And so I've always been on that side. My father, World War, Two veteran landed on Omaha, Beach 5th ranger battalion all the way through the
Or 364 guys in his division that landed on the beaches and 60 of them came back alive. Wow, pretty heavy shit. Amazing. Yeah, and he's buried at Arlington. And so I've always been very patriotic and love this country and with Fox News. It just gives me opportunity. It gives me another platform. I am not happy with what's happening in our country right now.
That's, how's it going?
Ask you, what do you feel about the state of where the country is out? Right
now, about the ones I
said, where you think it? What's your opinion, where the state of the country is right now, in a hole,
do it since it's absolutely horrible. What's happening to our country? We're not honestly, want to be honest. We're not even a country, any longer. We don't even have a
Warrior's, we don't even have a border,
you know, we're spending billions of dollars to help the ukrainians and to protect their border and we don't even protect ours where you know, it's just if you're not a country, if one you don't have laws,
We don't have laws in this country. It just whatever the politicians want. Yeah, you know, we see crime rampant through it. I mean, just literally right over that hill right there. So you think it's a bit was murdered the other night. You think it's? Because the administration that's in office right
now, of course. Yeah, of course. It is.
It's 100%. Then why are we having inflation? You know, it's because of bad policies. I feel like this Administration is trying to tear it tear this.
Country down through inflation, through high taxation, and then they were rebuild it with the government. And then everybody will be part of the government, but they first have to destroy it first. And they're, they're on their way, but I don't think they have enough time. I think in a year from now, it'll be a different deal. Because I think the people of America are going to stand up here and a few months and November and change everything and get the
Then on the house in the Senate, that's that's what I'm hoping. And if you do that, you can stop them. They just won't be able to do anything for the next two years. How
much, how much like backlash do you get for saying this type of stuff? Because, like, I saw the even the post on Fox News. When you posted that, you like went on Fox News and it's just so much backlash from like the trans Community. Like, I know you're like, see you feel like they box you in and I feel like right? Isn't that crazy? Yeah, like in trans people not have different.
Political views
know they're well, they're all supposed to have one political view and that's a liberal point of view. Okay, that's kind of what they are. And that's not me never happened. Why do you think that
is?
I think the woke world is kind of taken over.
But the woke world is a very small portion of our society. I think what really changed everything over the last 20 years. 30 years is social media, the Internet, it's given everybody. A platform, a small group of people in the middle of nowhere, can sit there under their covers, say some crazy things, and all of a sudden the media is watching all of that.
And now all of a sudden that, you know, is the truth. That's what's out there to me. To be honest with you, within the trans Community. I have a lot of friends transfer this. I mean, we get along great. A lot of there's a lot of very conservative trans people that are out there, but they just don't but they don't speak up. Yeah, they just don't speak up and it's it's the left that the media follows. And so you see that, where people taking shots at you all the time.
To be honest with you. I don't care. I very rarely ever read him. And if I do read them to me, it's just kind of funny. I am and have been, always a common sense person. I have common sense. Okay. Yeah.
Did it ever get to you though? Any of these comments did ever get to you? No, not really. I don't care. My life is good. That's pretty. Do you think the right sometimes? What do they not like about the right? Do you think like the right doesn't support trans people enough. Is that their
point?
They have the perception of that. Yes, and and certainly in some cases the religious right? Do you have issues with their? But what I'm about it's not about being on the left and the right and the woke world and not the world. I just want to do what's right for people. I want, you know, I worked really hard the first couple of years. I thought you know what? I can come out and change the world I raise money.
Millions of dollars for the trans community and did everything. I could possibly do, helped organizations Gave Over little millions of dollars. And at the end of it now just like hated my guts and I went, why am I doing that? Why am I getting all of this stuff? I really had black Trans women come up to me and verbally assault, me, and of course, it's all being shot on camera. So, 10 minutes later. It's, you know, it's all over the Internet and then
Media picks it up because they want clicks, you know, and if they take something at me, they you know, they she take a shot at me. There's a lot of people are going to listen. They got the local news to come out. They were going to protest because I was at an event and that I don't represent the trans Community. To be honest with you. They just came to a point where I thought to myself. Why am I doing this? Just today?
It was a quote I had from last night when I was on Hannity. I said, yes. I am trans, but I'm not a trans activist anymore. I don't want to do that. To be honest with you. I think it's a losing proposition. It's You Can't Win there. There's too many people are going to show. Hate out there. I said, what I want to be is a trans
example.
Okay, you know what?
Being transgendered and is so it's so difficult. I hid myself. My entire life, who I really was. I mean right down to the morning after the games in 1976 walked into the bathroom. The gold medal was sitting there.
On the counter.
And I put the metal on the full-length mirror, looked in a mirror, and just his, what the hell did I just do? Did I build this character up? So big that I'm stuck with him for the rest of my life, you know, not that I have any regrets for anything I've done in my life, but that was like, my first reaction that now, this character is so big, and there's so much more to me than that performance. So, proud of the performance, you know, so proud that
I walked away probably the most satisfied athlete in the world at that time because I accomplished everything. I wanted to accomplish.
And he's saying is that is that the moment when because I'm what I'm curious about is when the moment you decided to make the
change. Well, that was many years later. Yeah. So you're saying, well, during when you're the
biggest most popular athlete in the world, right? Right, you're still, you're on top of the world at that point, but you're still having these
feelings. Oh my God. Yes. I've had him since I was
Since I was in, you know, a little
kid but no party. It was like, wow, I just fucking one the decathlon. I'm the biggest person in the world, but it's not me. It's not all me. Yeah, that is a part of me, right?
Okay. No, when you're trans, I've had those since
I was just a
child, you know, confusion with that. But back and I grew up in the 50s and 60s and no, but there wasn't even a name for you. Just think. Oh, why, you know, so what do you do? You just hide it. But here's the
Many years later. You look back on that performance and you see and I look at it now and I go oh my God, why did I do that? You know, our how did I do that? And so you look and there's more to just going down there competing. There's why I why I spent 12 years of my life. The last six years leading up to the games, totally obsessed.
Every day
with
This thing called Sports, you know, I lived it. I breathe it. I lived in 145 dollar a month apartment. I had a 1963 VW bug that I drove that cost me $175. I lived on nothing ten thousand dollars a year, probably. And I trained six to eight hours a day every day. Working at a trainee at it. So, dedicated to what I was doing and and I look back on, I said, why did I do that? And I
Looking back. I'm starting to think of why people do things like that extraordinary things. There's got to be something in their life. It's not just one thing. It's got to be something in your life, that kind of drove you to that. I was a dyslexic kid. I didn't do very well in school, me perceptually. Just picking up words off a piece of paper, you know, just was tough. And when you're young, you're in, you know, second third, fourth, fifth grade. I mean, that's tough. My biggest fear in life.
Was to go to school because I was afraid the teacher was going to make me read in front of the class. And then not only did I get just so scared that everybody was going to know that I had the problem. I just got emotional, he upset, I would sit there worried to death that that was going to happen. Because nobody knew I had the problems not like, I had a big wart on the side of my face. And, you know, so when I found supports in fifth grade, yeah, literally in gym class one day and
To nerving Junior High School in Tarrytown, New York and the back parking lot. The coach had during gym class had set up chairs around the parking lot and he had to go down there and run around the chairs and come back and get time. They were going to time every kid in school. And so, you know, my turn I this is like fun, but you know, I'm always in this lower classes and this and that. So anyway, I put my foot on the line. I'm going to run as hard as I can and I take off run around wind up had the fastest time in the
Whole school. And it was like that was the first time in school that I ever accomplished anything and it was running around a bunch of chairs, but it was so important. It. It meant so much to me, you know, it meant so much to me that I could do something better than anybody. Everybody else in school. So I thought, what is this thing called
Sports? I liked. It was a tremendous, tremendous athlete. Yeah, and that's the ball time. Don't want to
put those evil Jake? Go on a football field and
Could guy
who's a good student good reader and damn clean his clock? Yet is good stuff. I like this, you know, and so that's how I kind of got into sports.
Never ever,
2 million years thinking I would go as far as I did. But there was also this little gender dysphoria kid in the back of my head. Also who has to prove your masculinity, you prove the like, hey, this is what I got to do this. So that combination along with some talent. I was honestly I was not, you know, I won the title is a
Greatest athlete in the world, but I didn't never thought of myself as a most talented athlete out there, right? It's got to be hard. I was, I was the hardest working, one out there. I have trained him. I took my the one thing after the games, is over with that. I took away that it was, my greatest victory was, I went into the games. If I had a perfect score in all ten events.
Scored. Eight thousand ran like the perfect decathlon. I ran eight thousand six hundred and seventy eight points. I went to the games. I scored eight thousand, six hundred and Thirty Four Points under Olympic conditions, you know, really tough conditions that you're under. I was as close to perfect as I could be, and why? Because that's my head, you know, that I did all the preparation physically, but I found out later on in life thinking I was always in this lower class.
As a dyslexic and everybody else is smarter than me that my greatest asset was my head. And honestly, if I had not been dyslexic, if I had not been gender dysphoria kept, I didn't have all these issues that a young kid. I look back. And I said, what if I was just a farage, you know, I was an average student kind of in the middle of class and this and that I do. Honestly, I don't think I would have needed Sports and it wouldn't have been that important to me and I probably never would have
Really gotten involved a certainly to the level that I was but because of the one thing that I thought was the hardest part of my life, wind up being my greatest asset, you know, it pushed me harder than anybody and love you. Love what you did? You love you? Loved playing sports.
Oh, I love it. I still do I sell today.
I look that's what I do. You know, I play golf. I do this. I think, you know, I love all that stuff. We're gonna golf
after it.
I think now. Do you think you guys we have that's all the way that we have. Not figured out what I don't want, we haven't figured out yet. I don't know.
Well, you know what has your game? But I just don't want. You know, I know you guys you do this. I mean everybody knows you this and then probably a pretty big egos to get out driven by a 72 year. Old trans woman is not as bad. It's not good. Very good.
I've been like low hooking my drives to so I want to feel. Really how's your game though? Like what is
Shoo.
Well, I practice a lot. I like going up to the club and by Granger I play four or five times a week. Wow, that is dull. But I practice a lot. I enjoy the game and but you know, I I don't know. Because honestly, I don't play 18 holes. Maybe twice a year. It's a quick 19, olds overrated. Yeah. It's over a too long. And I told you
like a quick nine, then just crank a few beers. I like the bar after. Yeah.
While I go
out, my club is very private club so I can go out specially during the week and you know, go out there by myself, play three balls, a whole. Yeah, try to average par at a three balls, play five, seven, nine holes and I come home the best
way to do. It would just be this the best way to do be like a two-minute scramble. If we like to you play. Yeah. I don't, I don't you play with usually, but high-stakes, the who aren't nice. David Caitlin. Do you gamble on the course? I stake.
No, I do not gamble at
all. Not even pricing golf. Heaven prop Wagers, though. No, I don't want
I've never been a gambler. Don't like it. Don't need to really
like not money-wise, but more like, it was a fun if it was a fun. Well, a fun little better. Yeah, not money
is fun. Yeah, but it doesn't add any pressure to me. I put enough pressure on myself, you know, I don't need it like a bad or something like that. What tease do you
play?
Well, it depends. If there's money on the game. I guess I can go all the way up to the lady. You're
backpedaling on your back way. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Yes, of course. I apply for the ladies. Wait.
Yeah, if she plays from the Reds, I'll do any action. You guys want? Hold their weight was think so, but negotiate this for, I see your view with like women and sports and stuff like that with the whole, Leah, Thomas stuff and you're big. You stand up for women's rights and sports. I seen that a lot number which I honestly really respect like why I'm so excited to like, have you on the show to his because? Yeah, I think you've been boxed in and this community. Oh, yeah, and I really respect how you just speak your mind and you don't, you don't have to follow everyone else's view in the
T. So I think your view on women sports is like like you said you just have common sense and I think it's pretty logical that women in Peter mentioned be able to play in women's sports
biological Men by my opinion. I said I made sure when I made the first statement that I said biological men should not play in girls Sports. I mean, bottom line. Why you didn't play the Reds then we have to protect women's sports and golf. First of all, and golf I've been asked by the ladies, you know. Oh, come on. Play with.
The tournament coming up, you know, and this and that because be honest with you, the few times I do play, I do play with the ladies once in a while up at the club. And to be honest with you. They're more fun than playing with the guys. The conversation is 100 times better, you know, the girls are more fun to play with. Yeah by far. And so I enjoyed playing a dilemma. They all we have a tournament coming up and why don't you play in it with us and this and that. And at the time I say, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that would be so much fun. And then I never show up kalin's,
Wide Awake.
Kill
her, the golf course. I got one of the hustle. What if she tells
me? Yeah, honestly, I would not
feel. I mean, you
know, I like excited to. I can outdrive them by hitting 50. 80
yards. You know, what's that? That's good. Then you're good. So, we're good. What if you play with the ladies, but you play
from 280 to
it, is good. Yeah, two ladies. Yeah, it's not
too bad for a 72. Does it stay straight? Probably straighter than yours. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Probably straighter than really good for someone else. All I can say is, keep it out there three tank because if I out drive you on one whole, you're dead, you'll never hear the end of it. Yeah. So here a pray, it all with the same way better. But athlete that I am I was there an
Olympian. Yeah, gold medalist decathlon. Like I did that. Yeah, get
out. Yes. I did do well going off the Lea Thomas thing, but the Lea Thomas thing. Okay, let's let's
talk about then the argument because to me, it's like, why would a biological male be able to play in a in a women's?
I have know, what is the argue
I have said from the beginning. I have no problem with Lea, Thomas. I wonder what her motivation is on, a would love to talk to her. I'm kind of trying to reach out to her right now. Once kind of everything calms down, but I wonder what her motivation is, but that's fine. Whatever it is because she's playing by the rules right now. What my problem is and is the rules are wrong. I mean you can't have
Have somebody like Alia Thomas who went through male puberty played on the board, you know, swam for the men. I heard she's 61 and but you just look at her in the pool. There was a great picture was that I think Donald Trump jr. Posted it of the start of that race and you had all the girls just entering their hands or just entering into the waters already and Leah, Thomas is a foot and a half.
Above them and hasn't even come close to hitting the water yet. You know, you just look at something like that and you realize how this is not fair, but honestly, it's the rules
and I'm working on some things right
now because it's to be honest with you. It's a very complicated issue though. She's that? I mean, it's such a complicated issue
and I would just like not trying to be whatever but like I could just go and probably make the WNBA. No, you cannot, that's not Bob could do what?
Now, if
you want to be, I'm just saying, be honest. Yeah, you probably couldn't make the dough, you could not, if I go and I go throw. No, you cannot. Eric was very homey. Going to play are a very
good basketball. Player action has WNBA girls would kick her ass. Yeah, embarrass
yourself. I hope that this happens now that like, no, I wouldn't hurt to get
destroying. Yeah, you'll get to see
the best in the world, bro. That's not a good example.
Just like golf. Wait. Hold on. I just got canceled pilot. Leah went from being on the men's swimming team. Yeah, to go into women's
three years later. Yeah, you're a guy that fucking goes out Sleeps. No
minutes, just picks up a basketball. You can't just go play in the NBA WNBA and dominate. Oh, he's saying, well,
the scouting report on him as you can't go to his left anyway, so I have a strong left hand. We're gonna move out really really he didn't might be fucked for that.
No, you should do it. We got to get a one-on-one game. It
like Caitlin. I'm good.
The dog you want to do you say you play basketball? If you guys play one of
them says, I will Kalin. I'll tell you what and he turned Wayne Colin. Oh, like you. Oh, he pleaded. No level. He fucking goes to the bar every night. Really? Yeah.
See I got I got drafted in the
NBA. You fucking this. Turn into a fucking intervention. No, sir. What did you get with the NBA? What did you do with the NBA?
After the games, that's fucking
amazing. Yeah, after the games. This is 1977 draft that draft fifth round. I was drafted by at that time. It was the Kansas City Kings. Remember their Kansas City. Omaha Kings back then. Yeah, before the Kings went to Sacramento. They were in Kansas City. So I look at the draft thing and they article that I got drafted in the
The crown and, you know, I played just one year of college basketball, but I played basketball played football. Did all these Sports competitively water-ski. Did you name it? I played Sports. Damn, and, and so I thought that's kind of cool. So I thought, what can I do? And so I got to hope. There we go. There we go.
Nice, Kansas City. So young stud there.
Wait a second. So we got that actually that
He's very good-looking photo. Good-looking, dude. Okay, keep looking for where that Kansas City. Share this because this is what I told him I wanted to do. I said, I want to go to the first home game. I want to have a Kansas City Kings shirt with the number 86. Well, that time it was 18. They wind up changing it a year later 234, but when the games are right over with that was the score. And this is only a few months after it. I don't know if you remember back, then was just the post Lou.
Cinder years and college, they banned. The dunk. You weren't able to dunk the ball. Okay, you couldn't bring it into the cylinder. The cylinder. That would be Above the Rim. You couldn't carry the ball into the cylinder. Could you dunk? So can you dunk? Oh my God, I got dumped behind my head. I
Galen daughter. I was he was, he was gentle dunk on your ass anytime you want. And I was just 69. I could you still dunk one? Can still dunk or no?
No, I bend my knee is gone. That's crazy. But anyway,
so you should
Run I so I thought
since I was not even able to dunk the ball and warming up in college. I said go to the first game make up that shirt. Okay, go to the first game Ram, a bunch through, you know, take it off the backboard and I can't dunk behind my head could all that stuff.
And I said, maybe I can maybe I can't be one.
Yeah, and then before the game starts
will retire. My
jersey that Jersey is saw that Kansas City, 86 18,
Other Jersey. And then I'm going to put it up for charity and whatever it raises in charity money. I'm going to buy tickets for the Kansas City kitchens for the Special Olympics because they were just starting. I thought what a
great promotional great for washing. Absolutely. They said, no crazy, crazy.
Absolutely crazy. Oh, I would have got so much publicity. It would have been so much fun raise money for the kids. We caught it could have sold that, you know, that shirt for a lot of money but a lot of tickets.
That's for the Special Olympics right there for home games. Everybody wins, and they said, no, you're such a
stud back then to. Yeah, it's crazy. We're such a good. What I say right now. You're, you're happy and content with where you are in your life right
now. I couldn't be in a better place.
Because you have you guys do you guys need to re? I don't know you guys. You guys read books.
I read Shutter Island and Harry Potter. That's the only two of
my life really. Well, I put out a book called The Secrets of my life that I did after the games and I told my whole story and that book we all had, it took me sitting at that table right there. Two years of sitting there are 8,000 pages of Memoirs going through every aspect of my
Life. And all the crazy things that I was doing at that time.
When were you the when we the
happiest there? It is right there. See minutes of my life, we gonna do but I do have some questions. I
want to know when we when we the happiest in your life. What was
that was the happiest was the happiest point of
Caitlyn Jenner's life at what point is it now?
Yes, and it's the most content time in my life.
Good. So many so many struggles that you have when you just struggle with your identity and the stupid things that you do to lying to people about yourself sneaking around, you know, cross-dressing this that doing everything you can just to satisfy this feeling that you have and that you're just trying to let go. I mean, I have paparazzi's fall. I mean, the list it was
Horrible times in my life. Okay. I had a lot of things to do in life. I have no complaints. I transition at 65. Okay, and but I had a lot of things to do.
And I had a and have had and continue to have a wonderful, wonderful life. I mean, I have the ultimate
double. What do you what do you mean by that
Olympic decathlon champion?
Glamorous Woman of the Year.
Pretty gosh, let's go. How many can do both? No. No, that's pretty dope. That's respect. That's the life. I think this is a great obstacle. I to for our audience because I feel like one thing, you know, we could educate a lot of people on like transgender issues. I feel and I feel like our audience definitely probably has a lot of questions about a lot of questions like I have
questions. So I've always had questions.
What, what is like being a transgender? Like can you define that for us?
it's very hard to Define, but
I always had this other person that lived in my soul.
And it wasn't the same person in my soul, that the world saw that I woke up to and looked in the mirror and said, oh, that's me. I never had that feeling, you know.
And I just always struggled with that identity who that person is. If you have any faith in your life, believing God, any faith in your life.
You asked the
question.
God
and I have faith in my life and I ask that questions millions of times. Why did you do this to me? Why are these thoughts in my head? That I just can't get rid of. It's not like I can take two aspirin, get plenty of sleep. Wake up the next morning and you're just fine. Those thoughts are just there with you all the time. You never felt. I never felt like I fit into society. Okay? Yes. I was married three times. I had 10 children. I had a wonderful life. They were
Wonderful women. I, you know, that was a great part of my life. Great part of my life, and I'm so proud of what I was able to accomplish with all of that, but it was it was never me. You know, it was never one who's in my soul and then it becomes how do you, how do you deal with it? You know, and I dealt with the best I can buy just
Sneaking around trying to. It's like I was living two lives, you know, like in my book, I talk about.
I used to love to get Vegas speaking engagements. Why? Because I could get out of the house, go into a parking lot crossdress, you know, hop in the car. Make sure I can make it all the way it's fluid fuel. I can just about make it the whole way with gas. So I didn't have to stop at a gas station and just drive to Vegas, you know, like Caitlin could drive to Vegas. So you'd rent
opening woman and drive there. What's that? You would like dress up in women's clothing and drive to Vegas.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I did a lot
of crazy things. Walk around hotels this and that fortunately never got caught did a pretty good job, but never got caught one time, really close. Yeah, that scared me to death. Hmm. But yeah, and those were the kind of the crazy things that I would do chest.
So I can have a little peace in my soul, you know, this other part of me that's so alive inside, but I can't show and the world doesn't understand now. I was very blessed and having so many children
and
I had spent the time raising the kids. Okay, that was number one for me in my life. I wanted to give my kids good guidance. I want them to have a family and a dad, you know, they kind of knew things were something's going on and this and that but they never said anything. It was not a big deal. They never really said anything.
Until I finally got to the point where all my kids were raised.
And I, you know, Chris and I had gone, our separate ways. I'm back out here in Malibu and
I'm thinking to myself because 19 like
84 to 1990
those six years. I lived in a little house right? Over that hill over there and basically stayed in that house for almost six years coming out just to work once in a while. I really didn't have any friends. I never felt like I fit in and in anywhere, you know, I would just kind of live My Little Life in that house.
And when I years and years later.
I'm back out here. And I thought a lot about that because those were really rough times. For me. I was really struggling with my who I am and who my identity is and everything. It was, there were very there were my roughest years through the 80s. And I thought when I got back out to Malibu, and here, I was single living by myself again, and I'm thinking, oh my God, am I just going to die this way and this house, or am I going to do something? You know, what what can I do? And you know, the
Unity is the most marginalized community in the world. I mean, it's just, it's pretty bad stuff. One of the most marginalized communities in the world. And so I kept thinking to
myself
could I actually pull this off, you know, and you know, you have every excuse in the book. Why you can't pull it off and I had that I was too tall. My voice sucks. There's just no way I can do this. I'm you know, too famous.
As I'm this, I'm that I, you know, just how can I do it? You know, and finally I got to the point where I talk to All My Children
One at a time. I didn't want him to gang up on me. So I thought one at a time,
who is the first one you talked to?
So the first one I talked to is Brandon, my, he's like 40 now actually. You in town tomorrow.
No. No, I don't think so. Wow.
Because he's playing, he's got a band. He's really good. They're playing in Venice. I thought, if you're around, we could go over shortly. Support we can
Bob will probably be there.
Listen, I'm always down for easy way. What kind of? Yeah, kind of been we talk about.
Yeah, I'll give you the information later. Get back to before we go. I'm always down. What is it like
that? He's really talented type of music like classic Jazz.
No, he well. I finally got up to come around and now he's kind of like a funky Rock just really good for the longest time. He just had this really nice music and I could come on. I want to go and I want to dance.
I want to move. Punk
rock. Yeah, kind of like Machine Gun
Kelly to going morale High. Yeah, but no, it's all he's he plays all the instruments. He writes all the music. He produces it. He's the lead singer. He does it all. Yeah, and he's got a really good band right
now. You're my word. If I'm allowed. That's my girlfriend right there. Where to go. I want to get back to what you said though. We were talking about
with the or. But anyway, I had to talk to my kids actually on the talking to my kids, to, who did I talk to a person and I talked to Brandon, why Brandon is, you know, he's kind of my little, I've called him, I'll
Gandhi, you know, he's but not really, but he, you know, he's always very open minded and this, and that. So I thought. Okay, I'll start with Brandon and Brandon knows his mother had talked to him, you know, and this and that but nobody we never talked about it. So I invite Brandon over to the house this when I was living down on the beach by myself and I've item over the house. I said, okay, we got to sit down and talk about it. We've it's been the little the monkey in the room that nobody talks about but now it's, you know, it's
Time to get it out in the open. So I told her my story and and he basically says, oh, I knew all of that and I said, well, I figured you did, but we've never talked about it, you know, so let's talk about it. And there is a possibility. I may even transition, you know, depends on what everybody says in the family because I won't do it. If I have one person that says, no, don't do
this. You wouldn't have done it. No, I wouldn't.
Really? Why? Yeah, at the why wouldn't have done it. Why, what if that's what you really want? Why would their opinion matter?
Because they're my family and when you do something like this, it affects your family big time. And I don't want to do anything to hurt. My family.
Well was like, Kendall and Kylie's reaction, when you, so,
first of all, Brandon finish it off. So Brandon goes, we're just about kind of wrapping it up and Brandon goes, you know what Dad.
I've always been so proud that you're my father.
He says, if I go to the airport and I give him my ID and it's Brandon Jenner and they go. Oh, this is Bruce Jenner, your dad and he goes, yeah, that's my dad and they always have such nice things to say about you. Oh Bruce comes through here. And he's always nice and friendly with everybody in this and that, you know, we love bruising this and that and he says bud.
I've never been more proud of you than I am right now
and I must feel good.
And that was pretty heavy heavy stuff. It wouldn't want to start. Not all the reactions were quite that good but they were all good. I
thought I saw you say that. I think Kendall took it really well. And then Kylie was like kind of confused about it.
To be honest with you. Kendall and Kylie were just afraid for me.
You know, it's not that they didn't want me to be happy. I told him. This is the only way I can see that. I can go into the rest of my life and be happy. Have a mission live out my life. You know, I used to always think.
I want to talk with whoever I was with that when I die, you know, I mean, this is how deep it goes when I die that. And if I hadn't transition in a stuff,
I want to get full hair and makeup done. Great outfit in the casket. Everybody comes up and goes Jesus Christ. What just happened? You know glamour. Yeah. I mean, that's the way I that's honestly for the longest time it's away. I thought I'd go out, you know. Yeah. I mean, that's how bad it is, you know, this is a tough stuff. And so but Kendall, that all my kids were good with it, but they were afraid, they were going to pray. What's the media going to say? What's what's going to happen to you? Are they going to
Destroy you, you know, I'm their father. They love me to death,
you know, they don't want that to happen. Just have been a lot of pressure on them too, because they're just. So fill our
famous. That, let me tell you, let's take Kendall and Kylie and of course, like, Kim when I told Kim, her big question was, oh my God, what do we call
you? And so I said, well,
I'm going with the name Caitlyn.
And she goes, oh good. You stayed with the case?
And I went you're like no I'm dropping this. No,
no. No, I said I got, I didn't go with the K. I thought see would be much better, you know, and she goes. Oh, okay, you know, but candles with
Kazar, like a little more like you got to watch out for them. I feel. Well, it's just too much of the
family thing and also W. No. Yeah. It's just a little bit of silica God, Palin's with a cease. And I think the media will send to go crazy.
With it, so I stuck with it. I stuck with the see, but mother got it, but Kendall, and Kylie, you know,
they were going well.
What do we call you?
And I remember that at back, I sat back and I said
well.
Dad, man. Oh my I'm your father. I'm
you know, always be the to the day I die. I'll be your dad. You know, right. And and so I said, yeah call me dad. Okay, and
but what they're really good
at and every time and they always amazed me what they say and they even in the media they talk about my dad but they say my dad's she does this, my dad. She does. That is it g? They change pronouns in the middle of
And it would be. Yeah and I said even when they, you know, first started doing that, I have said that stuff. It's not easy to change the pronoun thing.
It is so light weight. So how does a
conscious effort? So how does
that work? Then when like people say like I identify as this like, how does that like work? So you identify as like you would you're like a female now? Yeah, we allowed to get a little open. Oh, I mean, you know, it's
just what will? Obviously we already got open. Well because you have all these things that you're hiding in, right? Yeah.
So you're hiding in your just Alexia. You're hiding in.
That, you know, you you're going to become trance. How
are you able to go
film The Kardashians the show? When you have all these thoughts? You're around 45, beautiful women all day. Like, how are you able to be comfortable like that?
Because I love my kids and I'm so happy for them, but well, are and so. But anyway, what I used to always think on Keeping Up with the Kardashians in the years of shooting and the producers and this and that and you know, there's so much drama in the family. I love it. I'm
There was every I had the best time in my life, shooting with the kids. It is a great show. It's a great Trail. My kids were all great.
Did you want to play? I learned so much about my kids on camera, you know, and the opportunity and because you were kind of forced into talking about issues when the cameras around, right, you know, where the other time and we'll put it up. We'll talk next week. Hey, you couldn't do that yet to talk about it now in this. So honestly, I had a great time shooting the show for for all those years.
And but is the show dead. They have a show now or not just came back. Okay.
Bye. It's on Hulu. So that on the yeah, but on the media staff, well, did you enjoy doing it or no? Oh, I love doing it. Yeah, I love. Do I love doing it with all my kids and everything. But what I kept thinking about was to the producers, the biggest story on the show. Yeah.
Nobody knows about is me, the back. Why are you on the show that the Hulu show? This is there. Who Lucia them confused. I read Bob. Yeah.
Well, she's the biggest, we got to address that but I don't know but I yeah, that's I'd love to just be open this room and ask questions that like I want I know I would love to hear more about how you had the biggest thing on the show and more about, ya know, the the
I love doing this show, but I kept thinking during the whole show that the biggest story on the show was me, of
course it went, but I couldn't why are you on that? But I couldn't talk
about it. Yeah. Yeah. I had to keep it quiet. Yeah, I had to keep that quiet.
So, what is this is, is the rule, is your relationship with the family now? All good.
Yeah, with my family, my relationship with the families from am fine. I mean, we do things together my kids, this and that just had my
20th grandchild. Yeah, you know a couple of weeks ago,
because with the candy, yeah. Yeah, and that's my son Burt. The oldest son. It showed a moral what's happening. Come
on, let's get different brother from brother. But no, but I'm going brother. The other brothers show tomorrow.
Yeah, I will give you the information. That's my other son.
Brandon hot. Yeah, bats Brandon. And I'm on my first son is
Bert. Yeah,
and he's like, 43 now been very successful at all. My kids have been very successful. I'm very proud of them and but yeah, it was. Yeah, I'm just not on the show. It's a different show now. So who do you think you have the closest
relationship with the out of your kids? Is there someone like specifically that you're more comfortable or you talk to you daily?
Of course, when you have 10 kids, you have different relationships course selling over. Yeah.
Yeah. Some that. I'm, you know, Kendall and Kylie obviously my flesh and blood and, you know, very close to them. Yeah. And the other, the Kardashian side. Yeah. I mean, I see him here and there, but I'm not, like, really close Kim's. Probably the closest my other side. My other kids. Yeah, my boys. Brandon bird. And the health of the whole group. Yeah, they're all there. And again, not trying to
be old. Click Beatty here and
On bringing up whatever and if anything I ever say is crossing the line, but Kim's obviously going through right now with Kanye right.
Kim is the most amazing. Honestly, what she's been able to do with her life. She is one of the most amazing people out there. I mean,
So different than what people perceive her as she is one
hard-working
smart businesswoman. Obviously a separation of Kanye has been very difficult over the last year. Okay? Don't need to go into that. It's been difficult. But in that time, period, look what she's done with her life. She has four kids. Okay. She's dedicated mother. She has she because of her.
She always wanted to be a lawyer and so, she found out a way that she could do it by basically being homeschooled, instead of actually going to a college because she can't do that. That she actually homeschools herself. She has every day, like two people come in, five hours a day and she studies law. Okay. She just passed her first law degree test. She wouldn't when you do it.
That way. It's a different
bar.
It's the first section of the bar. They do it. When you do it this way. There's like I think three tests you have to take, she passed the first hims going to be able so she did the first one. Didn't get it on her first. Try then came back. Got it
hard. Yeah, it's
braided on the clicking Kim just like graded on a curve and they only they only pass the top 15%. It's graded on the
curve. It's crazy. I mean, it's crazy hard to pass. What's her fees going to be like, she's me expensive.
Right? Well, I have no idea. Yeah. We never discussed that.
Anyway, what do you think about? She got past that and she was so excited, so excited, but here she is raising kids. And in that time period, where she's becoming working on becoming a lawyer. And Pastor first up the minibars. She also had kkw or Cosmetic Company, which has done, extremely well, then she started skims. Yes, and I think the market cap is 3.4 billion right now. Yes, Kim. And this period. This woman has done it all on her own.
Roan and raised a family. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's great. That is she says, I
think just ridiculous, but I don't get that from
I think it's a lot from her father. I certainly the lost sight of it is from her father. She was very close to her. Dad. You think Chris is and inspiration. It was such. I mean it was horrible how quickly he went cancer. Yep. And I mean, obviously, the whole family was just devastated by what happened and we lost Robert such a Robert is such a young age and it was really hard, especially on Kourtney and Kimberly. They were so close to her and even robbed.
The whole family hold, that's all the Kardashian kids is
just the lose your father. That's insane. Yeah,
and and they were very very close to lose their fathers just was a horrible thing and I try to do, you know, you do your best to step in but there's only so much you can step in. You're still with stepdad, you know, and there's a different set of rules for biological dad's and stepdad. So you do what? Just what you can course, you know,
did you ever know o.j.? Speaking of Rob? What about o.j.? Like, did you ever know him? Oh, yeah. I know. I'm very
Yeah, really close with them. What you were like close with them like
friends. Oh, yeah, just a few weeks before the murder. We were on vacation with OJ and Nicole. And we're yes, Chris and I all down going to Cabo six weeks before the. Yeah. So I was unfortunately very close to it. Nicole was yeah. Yeah, why was at her house like two days before it happened? Yeah. It was it was horrible. Wow. Yeah, but that's a whole nother water over the dam. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. What, what's your opinion on Skeet on who I'm skeet. Pete Davidson? Good old
Pete. He was over the other day. Had better have the first time, like, skeet and Kim. I called, I was in trouble because I called him Peter and comes out starts laughing. It's not paid, are it's a p? I said, well, I don't know. I'm just trying to be, he cannot heal light and over here that what he came over here. Yeah. It was over here with Kim because I call Kim, I haven't, you know, and to be honest with you, he
Like a very nice guy. He's
got a Hillary Clinton tattoo though.
I don't know but we'll work on that.
We'll work on that
and he's seems like a very, very nice guy, but the best part was we're going to end up the Kim seemed honestly, Kim seemed so happy. Let's go and that's my number-one concern, fucking concert and a hill
over there. I know its colonies in the hill like a Paparazzi or know, what's that now? Kane, and the hill like a Paparazzi or not. He doesn't do that.
No, he wasn't up there on the hill. Actually. I get along very well.
Well with Kanye, I really like Kanye. Every time we've been together. He's been absolutely great and especially during the transition and this and that he was absolutely phenomenal. I'm still today when I see him we're good friends. I just have to be a little careful because you know, he said some things especially towards the family that you know, obviously I'm on the family side, you know for it and I wish him nothing but the best and you know, and you know, I'd love to see him.
Again, he doesn't. He doesn't really hold. Kanya, doesn't really hold back on social media.
Someone else is here. Now, sake doesn't
look at. I have no problem at all. I just never met Pete. Never met can either
way. But honestly, I like Kanye and he's always been good to me. And and but yeah, you got to be very careful when it comes to that type of stuff. So yeah.
And but it would because I want to go back real quick to we have a touchdown with the Hulu show,
right? If you don't mind me. Oh, you're bowing going, right? Have to go there. I have to
Glide down there. No, but I'm not digging. I think. I'll uh,
It'll need a little more happy. We have plenty more where that came from. We had a shoddy on the class. I'm just curious on your perspective on why you are not on that show when you were driving.
Fortunately, I don't drive knows the beginning. Yeah, I don't know. I was never asked and that's fine. I'm very happy for my kids. That that continues. That vehicle has been extraordinarily good for my children.
And fortunately, I'm moving on to other
things. You think it's a, it's a good flavor. Do you think
it's happy? Dad guys bringing in another crying boy. Caleb or he's, I know. Yeah, I
think it's more than crush the fun. I've got other things in more, the personal or business thing. You think more of a personal decision or a business decision whether or not
involving you
No, I don't. Honestly, I don't know. I was honestly they never even asked. I want to be on the show Hulu that's
fucked up. What I want to be on the show.
Imagine. Yeah. I mean I had it wonderful time with my kids. Yeah, be great, but I'm upset about it. It's their show. It's fine. After this work. I've got
two things. I'm doing. We should put a tweet on the full sun podcast, Twitter. Yeah. We're going to Tweet Hulu and say why isn't Caitlyn Jenner? I think so. So everyone go to hell. Yeah, that may be loaded at feet right now, but that's that's fine. Answer. Let's ask who lies? Why doesn't?
I have asked that question actually, kind of fucking pissed off and I'm not gonna lie,
Bobby. Yeah. Um, you have a connected Hulu. Yeah, I get it. But hey, my guy, he's not the high up. I'm happy for my kids. I've got things to do. Actually, you know what I'm doing, which is going to be so much fun. What you got and I just cannot wait for it to start, and it starts in five weeks. We got, I started a race team
generation. I saw the hats. Those are sick. Yeah. Well
racing, I started a race team. I've been involved in racing cars for what year,
what?
What? What sport NASCAR F1.
This is runs in conjunction with the formative one circuit. You're
going to Miami event. Right? Generator.
Miami event, will be our first event. Where are you guys?
We're Miami. We might be. Oh, you guys are my a team. We're gonna head up and down the ladder. The Hickory right here. Are you going to be there? Well, of
course, I'll try my team's running. I got two cars running into W series.
I feel like, yeah, I feel
like, can we be part of the women's sports has been under assault here. Over the last few years. I've been very
No, even, you know, in the old days I was always very close to like Donna De Verona and helping her with Title Nine and what was getting it through. And and so I've always, you know, been partial towards women's sports. I mean, think a lot of times they get a bad deal. There's our car right there. Let's go. Wow, General sauce generous and it's kind of like it's a w series car, but it's kind of like a formula formula 3 car and
I'm very excited about it. I got two of them to run in the W series. It's the first first, all women racing series. It's all women versus women. There is a lot of great women drivers out there. Now, it's hard for
anybody male or female
to move up and raising. I know I did it for years. I was a factory driver for Ford Motor Company for five years, you know, won Sebring one of a lot of big races. Yeah, had a lot of fun, doing it. And
This gave me an opportunity one to get back to women's sports. I think this is a great opportunity for them and to I just love racing and so two cars, my two drivers first, one. In fact, they were out here last week. She came in from the UK girl named Jamie Chadwick. She's the real deal. I mean the real deal. She won the series the last two years. I you really think she has a good chance to be the first woman in Formula One and years and years and years.
Years has been like 40 years since there's been a woman in Formula 1. I think it'll come out of the W Series so she be raised she's also
racing with the men the Versailles. She does race would imagine but Series
this series it's all women are women, but she races and other Series where she raced against guys, you know, she was like the Formula 3 champion and because all
that matters is what's in that engine and I know you got the big
bucks. Yeah. Well yes up ready to go. Yes, and but she's the real deal. She's also got a development deal with
Formula One team Williams, where she's kind of on their team on the side working with that. Hopefully to get into a Formula, 1 ride and then the second
drivers 17.
This is a development series. I wanted my second driver to be what I thought would be the future. What's his name? And her name is Chloe Chambers. She's a very interesting story. She's from China.
She
A transgender no. Okay.
There's yeah. There was actually one transgender person who did try out. I had. No, I'm just saying, you know what? There was there was one transgender person who did try out for the team. Yeah, transgender woman, which we have no problem with and W series if there was a trans woman because it's not like there she is, she's young. And but she was adopted by a family. And I think originally in New Jersey now, they live in New York.
Adopted at the age of nine months, came to United States as last week. We were saying she goes, I have not Chinese. I am 100% American and I go girl. I got it. I'm going to put American flags all over your car. You know, that's all. Yeah. And she goes. Yeah, I don't even know if I back, she goes. Yeah, I left, you know, I was adopted at 9 months of age and raised by this family and but she's a really talented young girl only 17. So I'm really looking forward to her.
And you know, we started a couple of weeks and we have
awesome to get behind her. Well, everyone should come out F1 generation with the Miami Heat. Yeah. I will. Let's put the our
team. So yeah, and so I'm really looking for this is, you know, you say why you're not doing the show and the Hulu show and this and that, to be honest with you. It's kind of nice. I can do my own thing. I have some other things going on that I'm doing. Yeah. I'm older. I and I would much rather go to these eight races because we go like Miami,
And the next I think two weeks later is Barcelona Spain! And then we have a little break and then it's the the British Grand Prix and you know London and so I go there for a week and you know, my team my girls they're out there, you know, competing. Is we go. We come back to Kota in in Austin, Texas. Yeah. We'll run there and then we run, Mexico City, we run Japan. So it'll be a fun fun summer.
I thought you liked the room. Even. I feel like the room and like, you know what it is when you come in this.
Relation, right? You sit down somebody like you. It's always like, you know, we're always on our toes a little bit. Right? Because up for I'm a, you know,
I want to ask you, if you don't mind me, if it's out of line. Like, when you, when you, I don't know how I like my love speak. Freely are back. What am I allowed to? Ask you like openly about something just
fucking can ask me? I may not answer it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gonna ask any question. You want.
Biggest. Build up ever. Yeah, you know, I'm, I'm curious about like the procedure like when you when you transition transition. Yeah, the is it like? Yeah. How does it gone? Is it like and I don't mean to like, I don't know how
I want to ask a question disrespectfully. I want to ask in a real way because
I have been from that standpoint, very open. Okay, cool. And yes, it's
gone.
So how does that work? Where's the sword? A
sword color? Like we're very open with
that. Not being like what? I just like a my sleeves. I don't know
what. That's a lotta T and the transcript. Merely only. I think that the numbers are like 32 percent actually have complete gender reassignment surgery, right? He probably the most don't want. It's expensive and, you know, some of the girls still like, like mail sacks.
I guess I don't know right. But yeah, I I made the decision years earlier that if I were to do that, yeah, I would I would do it all the way or not at
all. And it all the way was that like again pause me if I'm ever getting out of line all the way meaning is a transition to the other part and I'm just yeah. Just say was yeah. What is that surgery? Like what? How does I what is that surgery? Like can't get too much in one piece.
I don't want to go into and we'll have to specifics. But as doctors say it's easier to take it off than it is to put it on the floor. So that like a little kind of leave it. It's not honestly three years ago. I had shoulder surgery from playing golf and left-handed and this and that to be honest with you, that that was the worst surgery. I had to go through. I just three months ago, had knee surgery. I had a complete knee replacement of years of beating up on my poor little knee.
Any, and that was tougher than the other ones. And so, these are actually relatively easy, you know, but it is a problem of
hormones that she's bringing up golf excuses of the golf course, right? No, you know, is it is it a tough send-off though? Because I feel like you probably did somewhat like, when you remove that part, is it a tough send-off? I feel like you did some work with it back in the day. So I just don't know if like, it's tough to get rid of that body. Still other work. You can do with the new part. There you go. You must. Are you dating? Are you
dating? What? No, I don't date. No, I didn't ever will.
I didn't do it to date. I you know, I translated as 65 I'm 70 to now. Dating is just I got other things to do. Your brother already been there, done that. I got 10 kids just filling my time at that. Just had my 20th grandchild. My day is full. I
do you got to have still though, you may have to Larry you got everything flow,
good great. Great. Great friends, and that's just the way I want it. And I hope you consider us friends. Well, we'll see how this all comes out and
we'll see. I think it's going to be a what?
Do you think he's can be very I think
310 yards
bullshit? No whole shopping. By the way. You don't want the smoking,
this golf course really fast. He's off. No sleeper. Good. All
right. What was just, who is he? The call for the group Bob's by the best, but he's off no sleeping again. Yo, you wanna know the secret to this guy but he's you can own what we call them. I own, I own a majority of real estate and he said, I am so much real estate in his head. You could easily get in there. And once you're in there, he's got no chance. I know he brings his girl and sure there's some ammo for
you. He can't possibly
I know. No absolutely not.
What did you think of? Actually the whole Dave Chappelle transgender like bit on Netflix and what went on with that? I was in support of Dave? Chappelle.
I am not into and never have been in to cancel culture. I hate it. This woke mentality that we have out there. Right now. I am not into that. I believe in free speech and I protect Dave, Chappelle's right, for free speech. Now.
Is it something that I like or what he says, it can be very funny, you know? And I'll laugh. I, I laugh at myself. I mean, I'm like the first one did you ever see the,
it's
kind of interesting, the Alec Baldwin Comedy Central roast. Yeah, of course.
That I was in. Yes.
Yeah, and I, you know, everybody took shy. I got roasted worse than, you know, then Baldwin. And I was an easier shot. They all came after me and I had my
I had my returns, you know, I could punch it back just as good and it was a lot of fun. And I just love that type of stuff and I don't want to get into the cancel culture. I don't want to limit speech. He has the right to say those what I worry about. Sometimes there. Is that fine line in comedy. Okay? Of being funny. And being mean there is that fine line. I don't like mean comedy, okay.
okay, and I would take offensive to that,
but
I mean, in today's society, Don Rickles could even
work. What about Chris Rock? What he just did with Will Smith. Was that too far? But what's make that? The
same thing is, I'm not even Chris Rock, even in his day, when he was, you know, doing a lot of stuff and it's pretty. Am I would watch this
stuff. It would, some of them would be funny, but it
wasn't like, that's not my kind of
humor. You're right, though. There is a certain line that you can cross. I think world are is loaded.
It's but at the end of day, he talked about his woman now, do the same thing. If anybody talk about
summer, I'm gonna go lap Chris's face. So even our if he brings my woman, I know will I've known
a long time right now. I will come over there and slap you right in front of Caitlin and I'll make you my bitch. I'm sorry. I know. Well you will not do that. My bad throw down and kahlan sighs kids. My kids
grew up together. His kids were at my house all the time for years. My kids were over at his house. Yeah. I've known him. He's always been very, very good to me. Very
Nice to me. He also plays golf at the club. I seen him actually recently have seen him quite a bit. There. Sat down had lunch with them. Always very nice Jada's, they're always very nice. We have a nice little relationship and but that was very, it was just disappointing. Everybody lost. He lost everything and he's had such a great career
will lost. Yeah.
As was good was acting as distasteful joke, I my opinion but it's same thing as a comedian will runs up and slap some of the Oscars, the middle of
nowhere that never should have happened. And he responds. That's unfortunate because he'll be remembered for that for the rest of his life. And he's done so many a lot of very good
things. You're absolutely right but the same time every night. Well, Smith's everybody grabs wanted posters. Yeah. He's done a lot of good things. Yeah, and
he's going to be remembered for that and just one moment of where he just got, you know,
showed very poor judgment. I think it's that big of a deal. Like I think people make it a bigger deal. I think it's like he just somebody talks shit about his wife like slap, dude, you're putting on right now because fucking some well when he didn't accept his award. Hmm.
I have to agree with a lot of the things he said how it's very difficult to be in the position either in celebrity world or whatever it is. You're in a position for there's a lot of hate out there and for that hate to come through you. And somebody depends on, I don't give a
Flying Hoot about it. Okay, but some people, I think they have a very difficult time and just processing that he's got when it gets to you. And and he for some reason lost it. He
talks about his sex life like tala, to which it will talks about his sex life.
They never talked to me about it. But yes,
talking about it or not. You think welded attractive guy? Hey, what do you think? Well, as an attractive guy, do I have the one you think Will Smith's attractive? I think he's a good-looking dude, right? Yeah. Yeah. Music was a good sermon.
Thanks for that for a guy. What do you think? Yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's more
personality when he's on and and working. I think that yeah
a nice to last. Like, how does it feel to to be like the father of two such successful like businesswoman, like Kylie and Kendall like what they've done? I mean, they probably got a lot of shit, but I feel like what they've done with like their business and their entrepreneurship is something that I can relate to, to like we have a lot of, you know, Ventures that we do. But
What they've done in like business is pretty fucking crazy. Like it is, her tequila? It
is. Yes. It's being smart being in the right place at the right time with the right product, have the platform. You see my kids and a lot of this is almost all of its been done through social media. And you have to realize that my kids have been involved in social media since its beginning.
I remember when the show started.
Early 90s.
Or was it now? It was after that there because then I got married. So I was like ladder 90s when the show actually started our 2000, how long to go ten years 22 maybe it was layers of somewhere in the 2000s. I remember Ryan Seacrest who was his company was a production company on it said to the girls, when the first row, you've got to start
tweeting and I'm going
What the hell's a tweet, right? You know, well, what
do you mean by that? What is this? So I didn't do anything. I didn't do any of it, but they all got jumped on it and Instagram, when Instagram started, I mean, they would, you know,
the girls were right
at the beginning of all of that stuff that's social media and because of the show and everything they built this.
Massive following.
I mean, literally you can sit at the dinner table with all the kids in reach.
Three-quarters of a billion people. Are they obsessed with it all the time. They Kylie have all done. You have to hit, it has become a business with them and you're not. And they asked they are on their phones a lot, but they have a complete little small army of people that they work with. I personally work with to put that stuff out. But yeah, but that's their ideas. It's what they want to put out but they, you know, they especially because of their businesses, you know? Yeah, they it's
very well. Is that like Chris a
Like guiding them as like Christmas
then yeah. Chris has been you know from the beginning. She's been kind of the brains behind a lot of it, especially with Kylie, gasps. Kylie was so young. She was only 18 when she started her company. And yeah, she was very involved with that. Kim probably is a little bit more independent of Chris and but she's also older now, and, you know, she's a little bit more independent of her. She kind of does I think skims was probably more Kim than it was.
Chris, and so many ways.
It sucks. It's really cool though. Some, I respect about them. It sucks to just see that. What I hate to see is obviously good. People going through shitty things and so obviously, the Kanye and back to that real quick Kanye and Kim going through their shit. Hopefully, it all resolves.
In a normal
manner. Oh, I do too. I do too and I think it will because to be honest with you is M and every time like that because I've been through a divorce. It's all about the kids, right? About the best thing you can do to take care of the kids because in the long run, it's about the kids.
Yeah. How about the other two boyfriends? Who do you like better Devin Booker? Travis Scott? Oh you're getting personal. I'm just
asking your getting their Trouble. Is there a favorite boyfriend? My opinion on. That's on fire and it's
Travis has slappers, but he's kind of
In the dumps Devin
Booker. I have more in common with because of Athletics. Sure. And he seems to be a very nice guy, and I haven't really had heavy conversations with him. You know, I see him here Sam there,
and they all come over here and like,
like, yes, they I don't know if
Devin's been here. I've been to let the Kendall's house and this and that when he's been over there. If I don't know if he's been here, but and
Travis I
don't have quite as much in common with him, but he seems to be good to Kylie, you know, but to be honest with you, I really liked his
parents Travis's. Yeah,
I mean, they're really nice, you know, they're from Houston and and I get along great with them. Every time. We have like a family event. I get along really well with the mom and the
day ever. Fuck around.
You got to step in as the father and be like, yo, don't treat my daughter like that like type thing.
But no. No, they've been keep my mouth shut but I do watch do all your daughter's II
approval. You've been watching Travis, right?
I try to do my best. But then I also respect Kylie right? And her position with him and eventually that is her decision. Not mine. But yeah.
Well, I throw my little two cents in her. Everyone's to be
scared as fuck. I be scared. Imagine you're dating like Kylie or some shit and then like you fucked up my look
at it this way and I was
standing there staring at you. Like I'd be I should I talk to the
kids all the time about it. You know. I said just, you know take Kylie and Kendall
here. They are
extraordinarily successful. Young women.
I could never date a Kylie to
what I was like and I was growing up. Can you imagine if you
To get kind of somebody at your same level. That's the only way it can survive. I mean, if you're just, you know, some kid off the street. Yeah, and you know, how could you do that? No, catty says, oh, let's go to dinner and you know, she runs over, you know to her plane and jumps on the plane and goes to San Francisco. Has dinner comes back, you know crazy. Yeah, that's kind of tough like a different level. It's a whole different level. So I think it's very hard for them to find somebody. That's why I'm really happy that, you know,
Kendall's has Devon, he seems everything I've seen. He seems like a really good guy and can shoot some hoops. Aaron's was slow. I was
like, we're all really like good people. Funny successful. He's looked like we would ever have a chance or yeah with Kendall Kylie like us. Three. Would we ever have a chance or you couldn't even pull wrong? Would have the best chance out of the three of us to maybe we can do all the daughters. We can. You Can Kendall Kylie be honest. Corny.
Like do we have a chance? Like we were? Yeah, I hear
honest. Come on. Who would have your best? Your best chance is with
me and that's 0 and
that's 0 kahlan. I don't know. Well, he's been in the studio fucking playing pickleball. Let
me tell you what I like to set the stakes very high in our golf
match. Yeah. Hi. Yeah. What black golf, right? Yeah, it would be very, it's very difficult for them to even even date. And so, but like
I was saying earlier
with Pete. I sunk
Kim. So happy and and I even text her after I said Kim that's like the happiest I've seen you. And that's my concern. You know, I want Kylie the same way to be happy. I want Kendall to be happy. Devon seems to be very good when Travis is more in and out, you know, he's kind of got his own life, but Kylie seems to be happy with them and they got two kids together. You know, I'm good for
them. Yeah.
This has been the most random
amazing.
New relationship. I think we built here
with with Kaitlyn and everything. We'd ever be sit in the same room. I've had a very interesting life. You
gotta catch, are hope we don't get it. Hope, I don't get in too much
trouble. I think. Oh, I think our audience, I've been is gonna have a lot of respect for you. Like I said because it's just cool, how, you know, your you made it a like a choice in your life, but I think just because you're a part, you made a choice, doesn't mean, you have to think the same way as a lot of people, everyone can have their own opinion, their own views about stuff and something that we really respect about you. And I think our audience will really respect.
Well, I appreciate that. You know, what? What I
Have noticed everything that I do because of, you know, the show for so many years and this and that that people don't really know me or understand me every place I go. I was in the jungle with a bunch of last year with a bunch of people from the UK and I was the only American there and doing this show and they all say after his oh my God, I see I had no idea. You were like this opener. This nice.
And it's so different than what I thought it was going to be, you know, and and I've always felt that I've just been very open, very common sense. I'd like people, you know, I like meeting people like being out there and, you know, I like just
Wake up every morning and be myself.
Last question before we run the gulf governor of California. Yeah,
would you ever run again? Probably not. I realized especially in California, how difficult it is. So, Wesley to raise money, to be honest with you. Once that was all over with and I didn't win. Larry, didn't win, you know, Gavin Newsom, stayed in, and my first reaction is, I'm okay. I'll be fine. I've learned a lot, but
I feel sorry for the people of California because the scam continues. Hmm. This state is nothing. But one big scam with the politicians and it's it's just unfortunate because California deserves better than what they're getting and but I will always stay involved in politics. I'm doing some things. Now. I will stay involved but probably not in running for something. There's a lot of things.
As you can do to help the Republican Party, pick better candidates, raise money, do all of them
a lot as well. When it last question. So, who's the next president of states?
Well, I don't think it'll be a
Democrat. Okay, the Democrats have just destroyed this country so quickly. It's a joke. I don't know. I hopefully we can survive for years of or at least two years of big-time Democratic control. Hopefully, in November that all changes is least. We have some Republican control in the house and the Senate to kind of stop what's going on, but
Will trump run?
II think he probably will. I don't know. We've certainly talked to those people a lot, but I don't know
you ever talk to him Trump.
Yeah. On a few occasions here and there ya
go out. Would you go out and speak for him? But I do. What would you go out and speak for him?
Like out of like a rally or something. Yeah, I
mean II.
We've talked about coming down and playing golf for them and spending some time with him and this and that. We'll see what he's doing for next year. I don't know. He comes with a lot of baggage, you know, it's which is tough. And
but
I think in looking at this country right now, he's probably the only one that for a better term. Has the balls to stand up for this country, the workers for this country has got a sack on and big sick. Yeah.
Set little old though and a little old. I don't know if he's going to be up there in a stone age. Yeah. And down in your state descent as I think will eventually be the
next. I think we're going to get him on the show too. Yeah,
we'll we'll see. I like what he's doing. He's standing up to the stupid media and this and that you're used to this game. You're very good at beat around the
bush. Yeah. They saying the. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it's put it this way, if Trump brand,
I'm not vote for him. In a heartbeat. Yeah.
Yeah, they everybody in this room. Well vote. Hey, you know, no idea. Yeah. Let me listen. Let's fix it. Was again, tween Biden. Trump. I'm going to vote Trump all day all day long. So yeah. Say that I lost, I
think there might be some other. I don't know. Republican candidates in
my right. Give him a run, but we'll see. Anyway.
Should we, should we decide on a little like that? Phil? I mean, are you actually gonna play golf? Are you gonna chicken out?
No, why do we watch this now? I mean are we playing golf or an ausa? Introduce a wager? If you're okay with that? I'm gonna friendly wager. What's the wager playing golf? No, no money involved. No money. So we actually playing golf everything. Maybe what would if he loses? He
has to wear a skirt.
He does that anyway, but oh it does that already
that's not the ancestral just so slow
process, you know slowly day by day. Well, you're the wager guy. No, I think they were going to do a figure out on the
golf course. Let's go.
The best. All honesty. I just want to say thank you so much for having us your house. I really, really respect you as your thank you so much. Amazing. Amazing.
Amazing. Very welcoming. This is an amazing
experience. Then Caitlin. We had a good time. We had a good time. I don't think I got myself into much trouble.
No. Yeah, I think I was pretty if you want, if you want right now. Is
Sophia. Sophia.
Come here. Sophie is over there. Sweating come here. Come here. Come here.
To come in. You know what Jal right here using my mic. Okay. Now Sophia.
Is the brains behind this whole thing? Bye. Yeah. Now I know we're will go. Here we go.
Wait, I do want to know this because she actually plays anyway, she plays a big role in your life.
This whole operation. She's the brains behind it. I'm the front person. Okay, and she is the most amazing person smartest person. I know economics, finance major. She was the state debate champion in high school. Okay, the girl can talk, you can't win
an argument.
All right. I got on the phone with her and she's your bit of a hard time. Yeah, right. Straight to the point. Is she?
Yeah, she does not she
straight to the point. Yes. Yes, and I was kind of beating around the bush about getting you on and then, ya know, so you're kind of like, cut the shit. Like, are we doing this or
not? The camera? Yeah, for a reason. Yeah, not this reason right now. I'm in front of it. No, that's when you're in this business. You kiss a lot of frogs. And so, you've kind of got a weed that out really
quickly. 100%. What is that? What does that mean? How important is it to have someone like that?
Getting your
shit. Might be a frog. I would ask your girlfriend later. But what, but she may kiss you and turn you into a prince, you know, like
that. She said, she asked if she said anything that was too bad, did you feel that
way and now, I mean, would you think we killed it? The, the number one thing that you missed was that would you vote for Trump? Oh my God. She said she would, of
course you would. So, of course, I would. That's
why I said, I don't know if he's running, he comes with a lot of baggage. But of course, there's no baggage that baggage, is that he's right on everything.
Well.
Has been, I
we disagree politically but that's okay. We're Trump. I think so found very, very, very heavily Trump. Yes,
you got. You guys saw we had them on our shot, a locked in. Did you see that? We had Trump on our on our show here? Like yeah. And I saw though. Oh, that's right. We had a man and you keep deleted it and to 24 hours that got almost six million views and then YouTube took it down.
Oh, I hurt because she said something about election fraud. Yeah. Oh my God, we would never say
That know, he spent so much time on that episode, trying to get him in the room and for them, but it was it was a very big statement that they took it down. Yeah, so that's kind of where we're at. No, they won't. I guess I'm wrong. But yeah.
When it got
taken. Yeah, I think we can rely on Spotify. A little more honestly with like, you know, will put the full thing up on Spotify
and Fox News Fox? You take this down. Foxes are back box. Now. That's right, you know, damn, you don't know what else you're not. Want to fuck with her. Who's the biggest Beauty? At Fox News right here? Yeah. This is the one who's that? He's the biggest
Sophia. Who's the biggest beauty of Fox News. Are you like a Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity Tucker? Yo-yo for beauty. Yeah. He's good looking guy.
Oh, okay, or no, or are you gay? No, I'm cease to go. Honestly. All like looks personality, like Shan Shan.
I have a crush on Shawn. Really? For sure
who you're the best-looking guy in the group is out of the three. Male. Three of us. Oh, God,
probably. None of us. It would take a lot more than what I'm seeing right now. Goddamn it. You know what? I mean,
tough as Nails. What if I like sick? A couple like 10-footers on the course? No, no.
No, no. No, that's not gonna do it. Okay. Need a 10-footer off the course. Yeah, don't got back. All right. All right, we're done.
