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Psychologists and Wilson, Chef said good health is not something we can buy. However, it can be extremely valuable savings account and Deepak Chopra said whether we realize that they're not all of us are responsible for creating the body. We live in a my guest today is physician author and researcher. Dr. Jason Fung. He's known for writing groundbreaking science based books about
BT's and obesity the diabetes code the Obesity code and the complete guide to fasting where he's challenged the conventional wisdom that diabetics should be treated with insulin. He's also the co-founder of the fasting method which is the program to help people lose weight and reverse type 2 diabetes naturally with fasting and in this episode we dive deep into some of the topics discussed in his new book the cancer code to learn the new science behind the disease and how our diet and fast.
Can play a role in managing and even preventing us from getting cancer? And dr. Jason Fong says the seed of cancer may exist in all of us, but the power to change the soil is in our hands and we had such an incredible conversation that I had to split this into two parts. And in this first episode we talk about the main causes of cancer what they are and if it's even possible to reverse cancer. This will inspire you what the biggest benefits are from fasting.
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Welcome everyone to the school of greatness podcast. Very excited about our guest today. His name is Jason Funk and you got a new book out called the cancer code, which I'm very excited to talk about the cancer code and I wanted to start with a question to ask you. What are the main causes of cancer as it seems like you hear about it more and more recently that so many people are getting cancer or the early stages of cancer. What are the main causes of?
Yeah, that's a great question. And that's something that we've always been trying to deal with and sometimes some people say well, we don't know what causes cancer that's sort of a cop-out because we actually do know a lot about what causes cancer and these are things that cause cancer car are called carcinogens and the World Health Organization maintains a huge list of these carcinogens. But if you want to break it down into what causes cancer in most people you can look at the sort of a couple of Studies have looked at
the sort of percentage contribution of these carcinogens to to cancer and the the biggest one of course is tobacco smoke. So that's sort of by Far and Away the biggest contributor to cancer at around 35 percent and these estimates were from 2015. So it's it was higher before when more people are smoking but as a contributor to a cancer, it's the biggest interestingly the second biggest and
Almost as big is actually our diet. So it's a huge huge part of what contributes to cancer in general and far outstrips of those two are way above any other causes of cancer. So when you worry about things such as radiation or you know, chemicals sunscreens and pesticides and stuff like that. They do cause cancer but the contribute contribution in a whole population.
Is very small. So what's interesting about diet is that we know this from our studies, but what part of the diet actually contributes to cancer and that's where things sort of bog down a lot. So initially in the 70s people talked about fibers what people thought about. Oh, hey, well, you know, maybe if you eat a lot of fiber what you're going to do is have a lot of big bowel movements and that's going to clean out your bowel and you're not going to get cancer turns out that wasn't true.
Then the next thought was hey, maybe it's dietary fat. So if you remember the 80s and 90s, there's this huge movement against fact that you know, all fat is bad for you or cause the heart disease and all this sort of stuff much of which is sort of been, you know overturned at this point, but there's this thought maybe it causes cancer to turns out that wasn't true. I then people talked about vitamin so maybe cancer is like a vitamin deficiency. So we did.
Many many studies millions of dollars Decades of research where we would randomize people to say one group that took a certain vitamin and one group that didn't and see if there's any difference in cancer. So we tested vitamin A then work vitamin D be didn't work folic acid didn't work vitamin C didn't work vitamin D didn't work vitamin E didn't work selenium didn't work omega-3 fatty acids didn't work. So all of those supplements didn't actually make
Difference to the incidence of cancer and the the so we're sort of stuck at that point in the mid-2000s saying, oh no, it's the diet. But what part of the diet and that's when it became sort of more and more clear that this cancer is actually an obesity-related disease. So what happened of course is that in the 70s 80s and 90s?
People didn't really think about it. But then we had this obesity epidemic so we became a bigger and bigger problem. So obesity in 2003 when they started to look at the studies. I was the first really definitive studies I said, hey, you know obesity is actually a huge risk factor as well as type 2 diabetes and and both of those conditions will actually increase your risk of certain types of cancer long. So it really depends on what type of cancer you're talking like. If you're talking lung cancer obesity plays almost no role in it, right?
Smoking or if you have a spastic which causes mesothelioma, which is a cancer of the lining of the lung again obesity plays no role but things like breast cancer and colorectal cancer, which are sort of really important cancers. They actually are obesity related cancers. So that was the sort of big link and to this, you know at this point the World Health Organization considers 13 different types of cancer as obesity-related.
Answers, which is huge because from 2003 we didn't even know like when I went to medical school. Nobody thought obesity cause cancer really it says be almost as big as smoking. It's a huge huge thing. So therefore if you know that that's super powerful because if you can maintain a normal way you're going to reduce just like stopping smoking, right you're going to reduce your risk of these types of
cancer, but aren't there a lot of healthy people out there or not obese people that also get cancelled.
Sir, absolutely, because there's a lot of different things that go on and that's what I spend the first half of the book talking about is how the sort of cancers develop so it's not just about obesity just like you can smoke forever and not get lung cancer, but it raises your risk. So sodium is
what are the other factors if you're so you're there's people out there. They're super healthy. They're working out there eating well, but then they get cancer there. Yeah under 15% body fat 12% body fat.
What are those other factors of people getting cancer
main factor? Yeah the rest of it. We actually know very little about so we need to know more about those because certain things so smoking and diet are probably your biggest factors and then there's a whole there's like a hundred different other risk factors for cancer. These are the other carcinogens that we talked about but also things such as you know background radiation and sun exposure, you know, like if you get too much sun for example, so
All sorts of other things and genetics plays a role, but one of the big mistakes I think you made is that we focus so much on the genetics part of it thinking that well, this is sort of a random mutation that causes cancer not sort of which puts the puts the onus on sort of those random luck sort of idea that it's just bad luck.
My parents lab is my grandparents had this Gene. So I have this I'm going to get
cancer. Yeah, exactly and some people think that that's sort of a death
Aunt it's like if you take brca, which is a certain type of Gene for example, so this is the gene that Angelina Jolie for example got diagnosed with her career, her mom had cancer I think or you know an anti-cancer so she got tested and she had the Gene and people think well for sure you're going to get you know cancer but it turns out that if you look at the incidence of cancer, if you have brca, if you have that Gene in like a you know in the 30s and 40s and 50s that
Express cancer was like 30 percent compared to sort of like 80% in modern-day America. So what's the difference even though you have the same genes? What's the difference between those two situations and it comes down to the lifestyle. So the point of about cancer is that cancer is like a seed. So if you have other genetics, you have the propensity to develop cancer and this seed of cancer actually exists in all of our cells and actually not just all ourselves, but in all multicellular
Ocular animals have that sort of seed of cancer. So what's important then is we can't do anything about the seed but what you can do something about is the soil which is that if you provide a fertile sort of soil for that seed to germinate then you are going to increase your risk of developing this cancer and cancer is not a rare disease. I mean, it affects like one in 10 of us one and eight of us something like that. So it's something that we really have to think about as we live longer because it is one of these really important things.
Sounds like you know the next 30 to 60 years if we don't figure out how to reverse this or solve this or I guess create bad soil for the seed of cancer by creating healthy habits and other ways it seems like this is going to accelerate where it was 30% I guess 20 30 years ago or 50 years ago now and now it's 80% I guess it's going to be even more in 20 to 30 years, right? Oh,
absolutely and the trend is very clear because if you look at the
You know the biggest killers of Americans it's always been heart disease and cancer. So if you go back sort of 270, so 50 years ago, you look at heart disease. The number one killer of Americans that's heart attack Strokes. That kind of thing cancer was a fairly distant second, but the rate of death from heart disease has been improving very very quickly and the rate of improvement for cancer has been improving very very
very slight is that
it's because
There is a very complex disease and the way we think about cancer. We just don't know what it is. So for such a common disease, it's a total mystery why we get this cancer because if you think about it, it doesn't make any sense for cancer to develop because it's actually part of us that is if you develop breast cancer or colon cancer, for example, that cancer cell was initially derived from our own natural cells. So what?
But why would it want to do this that that is if you get cancer then the cancer grows and then it kills you and it kills itself in the in because yeah, why would this sort of thing ever develop? It doesn't make any sense from a sort of that that looking at it that way but
most diseases want to spread but they want to stay
alive. Exactly exactly. Like the
coronavirus doesn't want to kill you necessarily wants to be able to spread to effect. In fact of the people
exactly and
In the in you know, if you sort of by standard it just kills you, you know along the way but that's not as primary purpose. So the point about cancer is that we have never sort of understood what this is It's a disease that is if you look at heart disease heart disease is caused by blockages and artery. So we develop all kinds of things. So we develop drugs we develop blood thinners. We develop, you know, you go in and you use a balloon to open up the artery you develop new technologies such as Imaging Technologies you
Ella place to monitor patients so because you know what causes it because if you don't know what causes something is really hard to fix like if you have a car and all you hear is a random Plank and you don't know what the clanking is from. It's really hard to fix it same thing with diseases. If you have a disease like covid for example, you know, it's a virus while not least you have somewhere that you can start that is okay. It's a virus. Let's develop a vaccine or less develop some antiviral drugs, but if you have no idea what this disease actually
Is then you have nowhere to go. So that's what I'm talking about is how how we how we think about cancer the Paradigm of cancer as a disease? What causes it you have to first understand what it is and that's been the real mystery the medical mystery is what is cancer and the way we look at cancer has changed significantly over the last 10 years and most people don't even understand that so it's a very interesting story from that stand.
Yeah. It's interesting. You mentioned, you know the heart disease.
I saw dr. Steven gundry endorsed the back of your cancer code book and he's been on my show a few times and he's a guy who did 10,000 heart surgeries and realize the like the things that he was doing on the surface level to create temporary relief people were coming back in because they weren't solving the root problem, which was a lot of it around diet and lifestyle and that's what I'm hearing. You say is that diet is a massive contributor to cultivating the seed of cancer to grow and
Aarush with the wrong side. What is it? Is it possible? Is it possible in your mind to reverse cancer by the right diet and by fasting which is something you talked about a lot.
Well, yeah because the thing is that if you like once you have the cancer it's really hard because that's sort of like, you know, if you if you don't change the oil in your car then your car breaks down then you say, oh, I'm going to start changing the oil in my car. Well, yeah, that's good. But you need to know a lot more than that. It's the same thing. Once you actually develop the cancer then it's really hard to fix from a diet.
and point you really need the drugs that we've spent, you know, millions and billions of dollars developing over these last 30 years, but in terms of preventing cancer, there's actually no reason why you couldn't because you can look at sort of people who live in a traditional Society for example, so you can take a look at say the annuity or the American Indian sort of before before sort of they became westernized and or you can look at the African people before they're sort of assimilated into
Western culture and interestingly those those peoples were actually considered some of them were considered immune to cancer there was so little cancer that they thought that the enemy for example or what used to be called. The eskimos actually could not get cancer. So the university Queen's University in Kingston Ontario. They used to send an expedition up to the Arctic Circle every year to study why these these any we couldn't get cancer, of course as they became westernized.
And started eating, you know sugar and white flour, then they started getting all the same cancers that we did in Africa. For example, this this fellow by the name of Denis burkitt who is a sort of missionary and and doctors when he got down there. He's like wow in my he was like look at these the difference the people who live traditionally in Africa get no cancer, no colon cancer, but the minute they transitioned to a western-style.
With their foods with their that you know, the whole thing today actually start to get cancer. You don't find cancer when that so it's it was called actually a disease of civilization. So all of these diseases obesity diabetes and cancer were not found in people living traditionally. So the point is not that you know one is that they didn't live as long but the point is that if you can find and understand what makes it, you know protective from them why they
the soil sort of soil like we all have to see that the soil was different what it is about that if we can understand that then you can you can you can reduce your risk substantially to the point where your you know, your risk is very low again as an example. If you take a Japanese or Chinese woman from Japan or from Shanghai and you move them to San Francisco within a couple of generations their risk of breast cancer approximately
tripled.
Crazy, so it's crazy exactly, but that's great. Hope
because we know the root of it that you can go back to us different way of living exactly because if you
can and remember saying hi and Japan and so on there there, you know modern societies. So if you can understand what it is about the the diet about the lifestyle that's so important. You could actually take that woman in San Francisco and reduce her risk of breast cancer by Third so that's very very
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So what would you say are the the five foods we must eliminate to support us in preventing cancer. What are those five key things here on top and if you can get rid of as much of this as possible, it's going to really support your chances.
Yeah, I think that's a good question and it's sort of sugar is probably one of the very very important things that we really need to lower because that really supports it and it gets to how cancer develops
A lot of the refined foods and people taught in the most that we eat. Like the one thing we eat more than anything else tends to be refined carbohydrates. So, you know white Brad and that kind of thing. That's probably the most important thing is the sugar and refined grains refined anything is probably bad for you. So, you know, even if you're not talking about carbohydrates, but refined say oils you should eat natural oils like eat foods that are sort of
Of in the Natural State and refined Meats like you know, and you know eating bologna, for example people talk about meat all the time, but it's like there's a big difference between bologna and you know, grass-finished beef sort of thing. It's there's a huge difference because one is jam-packed full of chemicals and other crap and one is just beef right and people have been eating beef for thousands of years. So those are fine food so refined carbs, but also refined fats and find proteins.
I believe those play a decent role, although the evidence is lower. And then the other thing that is really important the fifth thing that's probably very important is likely the frequency that we eat that is eating all the time provides that sort of fertile soil. So to understand why this is you have to get back to sort of how cancer develops so if you have to understand that cancer almost develops involved almost as a separate species from us,
So when you have a breast cancer cell for example, it originated from a normal breast cell but after revolves, it it grows or doesn't grow depending on growth factors and it's almost a separate species from us. That is it will grow and it won't the normal breast cell or a normal lung cell. They will do everything to you know, play on the team, right? So they're always supporting the body your partner team player. Those cancer cells are not team players. Basically, there are four.
Cells and the enemy and
the enemy coming to attack you.
That's right. It's like the guy who's just trying to pad his stats, you know, right? It's like you should have passed. It's like yeah, but that's the point that this cancer cell now is only interested in its own Survival that is it will grow and it will grow at the expense of its neighbors. So it will keep growing and it will destroy everything around it. So it will
I'll move around for example, so a breast cancer cell will move around the body and that's not for the good of the whole body. Right? It's for the good of itself. It's trying to spread itself around so you got to realize that the the cancer cell responds as a foreign organism and it sounds very strange to say okay, we have this foreign organism almost like an infection in us, but that's actually how our body sees that cancer. That is our immune system actually detects is very powerful, you know, it kills stuff.
But is very powerful. So it has to be reined in because you don't want it destroying, you know, normal Parts in the body. So it recognizes certain cells as foreign and certain cells of self and Cancers are actually innately seen as foreign cell. So it is a foreign Invader almost that has evolved from us, but during the development of this cancer, it will grow or not grow depending on growth signals. So our body has certain nutrients sensors, so
And sensors tells our body when food is available. So when you eat certain certain hormones, like insulin and mtor will go up that tells our body that food is available. We should grow right because you don't want your cells to grow when there's no food, right? It's just snap them if there's no food. You got to get rid of some of those extraneous cells. So if you have if you're eating all the time and you're always you're always activating these nutrients sensors,
After telling your body grow grow grow grow. So if you eat six eight times a day, you're telling your body your cells in your body grow grow grow grow grow. If you eat fewer times like three times a day. Are you doing intermittent fasting if you don't eat at all, what you're going to do is shut down to those growth signals and the cancer will have a diff more difficult time to grow. So if you grow breast cancer cells in the lab, for example, you can't do it without insulin. It will actually weather.
A up and die. So therefore if you know that then you can say well if I and that's one of the
secrets insulin insulin comes from eating any food or is this only sugars
we it's carbohydrates and protein so, you know, but the nutrients sensors come from different food. So different foods will activate different nutrients sensors, but the point is that if you don't eat like fasting for example one is you're going to lower your insulin levels, which will you know lower the growth overall growth
Signaling in our body which is a good thing for adults and adults growth is not good. Generally you'd stay the same size. You don't want to be growing too much because the, you know growth high growth environment, of course, let's the cancer sort of grow out of control and that was the secret to why vitamins for example was not a good thing because it's basically growth it supports growth of cells and what
I found in a lot of studies was when they gave people these vitamin supplements. They actually got more cancer. They didn't get less cancer. They got more cancer. So in fact, it's just like if you spray spread fertilizer on an empty field, you want the grass to grow but what grows are a bunch of weeds because you've put down all this growth signaling stuff. So therefore all you get is the weeds sailor the body parts
are supplements of vitamins bad for us. Then
there's no there's no evidence that it's really
Not bad for you. When you give high doses in these studies, you do get certain ones or folic acid for example and beta-carotene which is a precursor to vitamin A and those two studies. There is actually a suggestion that you actually get more cancer from them because in our current situation in North America, most of us are not vitamin deficient. Most of us actually have too much. You actually want to slow down the grow really and this is why obesity and type 2 diabetes are so intimately
With cancer is because both conditions are conditions where we have too much insulin in our body.
So we want to lower insulin overall because insulin is one of the main causes of the fertilizer for cancer to potentially grow
exactly and and and there's several ways to do that one is to change either the foods that you eat and that is the sugar for example, the refined carbohydrates that make up the bulk of our diet and the other thing is to change the frequency with which you eat because you can affect both things. So just like if you're a for example to pay
No $10, and you paid every day adds up quickly, right if you have a coffee every day and it's like, you know five or seven bucks at Starbucks every day every day every day. It adds up. So just like that. It's not just the amount that you're paying which is not much but it's the frequency right? Same thing with the food's it's not just the amount that you eat or what it is that you eat. It's how often you eat it. So if you're eating now six eight times a day. Well, that's a lot worse if you ate once a day, right? That's just basic math. Like you can't get around that and the problem is
is of course that if you look at how people eat today compared to sort of 1970, it's very different. So in 1970 people ate three times a day breakfast lunch and dinner no snacks. Nobody ate snacks back then
I mean a culture like smacking all day
exactly and people say it's good for you people say, oh you should eat multiple times in the day six times a day. It's good for you. But nobody in the history of humanity has done that before because we had work to do right? It's not like
Great grandparents, you know working in the factory. They're taking off every two hours to make themselves a little, you know ham sandwich or something, right? It was like there's work to do you eat when you have time so, you know in the 70s it's funny because I always say you have breakfast lunch and dinner and that was it if you wanted an after-school snack, your mom said no you're going to ruin your dinner. And if you wanted a bedtime snack, she would have said no you should eat more at dinner. Right and I
should have finished your meal finiti.
Yeah, exactly.
And that was a point and nobody a not a lot of desserts and all that nowadays. Of course, when you look at the studies people are eating five six times a day you look at schools. It's like, you know, oh, you know, they're going to have breakfast then they're going to have a mid-morning snack. Then they're going to have lunch then they're gonna have an after school snack, then they're going to eat dinner. And then if they play soccer in between the half of soccer parents think that you need to feed them like cookies. It's like, okay. Well, you know, I played soccer growing up and nobody chased me around with a bunch of cookies. We had a
Time actually didn't need it. Right and but that's six times a day every single day and it's ingrained into us, you know a few years ago when my son was, you know going on a trip or something the school said, well, you should pack him to snacks. Like why why wouldn't you want to give them a bunch of snacks? Like they're not good for you, but there's this idea now that it is good for you. But your it's tough because it's
what is what is snacking do to our bodies?
Body or brain our digestion system one weren't every couple hours putting something in her mouth what even if it's a few nuts or a fruit or a protein bar? Like what is that doing to our brain in our digestive system?
Yeah, and this is the big thing that I've had and you know, I talk about this in India. Obesity code is because our body really exist in sort of one of two states, you're either in the fence state or you're in the fasted State. Okay, so when you're in the feds
You're eating and Sloane is going up and as insulin goes up its job. Like it's a normal job is to tell your body to store those calories. Okay, so you can store it as glycogen which is sugar or can store it as body fat, but that's the point so you usually lunch or dinner. There's way more calories in that meal, then you can use right at that point. So you want to store that so when you don't eat which is anytime you don't need is called fasting. So when you fast that means your insulin has
A drop and that's the signal for your body to now start pulling those calories out of storage, right? And that's the reason you don't die in your sleep. Every single night is because we have the ability to hold some of those calories and storage. So in the FED State insulin goes up you're storing calories or body fat and the fasted State you're not eating your insolence dropping and you're using calories. So your own what are the other you can't do both at the same time. So if now you say, okay what
happened?
Eating storing. I'm not using calories that right there. We talked about down store. I'm not burning body
fat. You're not burning body fat because you're putting in sugar for example, and that sugar is going to signal that hey sugar is coming in use the sugar that's coming in
don't burn anything off my body. Yeah, exactly. Keep our store all that stored fat. Keep it just keep
piling it on. Right exactly. So the only way that you can actually use the body fat is
is to let the insulin fall and not eat. So if you are now eating constantly, so the minute you get up somebody tells you. Oh, you have to eat you can't skip breakfast but of blah blah and then you have to snack all day long. So now if you look at studies the average duration of how long people eat for this about 14 hours and 45 minutes. That's the average. So if you start eating at 8 a.m. You don't stop till 10:45 p.m. That's on a
Average that's the average
working hours. You mean a 14 hour span of eating from the start to finish right? You may not be eating every moment. But you're getting every few hours within
48 hour window. It takes about four hours for you to switch over into the fasted state. So the point is that before where you'd eat breakfast lunch dinner and by six o'clock you're done, you know, boom you're you know, you now you shift into using those calories and your mom would you say? Oh you need time to digest right? That's what she sort of said, but the point was that you need
To start using those calories that you stored up during your meal times and that was the secret that they could stay relatively slim. Now, if you're eating constantly, then you never give your body a chance to switch over into that fasted State and start using those collars the problem. Of course is that insulin stays High which tends to keep your body starring calories your body. So the high insulin for example blocks fat burning, you can't burn your fat stores because your body's like the
Actions that I'm getting is to store energy not use energy. I want to keep my stored energy for when there's a time that there's no food problem. Of course is that there's never a time. There's no food. Right? And the day is the same same thing right 14 hours of eating and no time of not eating and that's the point. So now if you understand the problem you can say well, how am I going to change this? Well, it's simple increase the amount of time that you're not eating and that's all intermittent fasting is if you eat one meal
a day for example, or if you within a eight-hour window or a four-hour window or whatever what you're doing is You're simply allowing your body to use the calories that have been stored which is body fat predominantly, but that is precisely the reason you carry body fat like that body fat is not there for looks is there for you to use and that's the whole point what's so bad about using it if you don't eat you're going to burn it well, so again go back to the
70s and everybody says, oh you can't pass a cat fast. Well, you know, they're eating breakfast lunch dinner. And if you are a naughty boy you got sent to bed without dinner. So that's how you went from 12 o'clock to 8 a.m. 20
hours. You look good the next day. You're like a queen you got a six pack is burning
fat exactly and nobody died. Nothing bad happens, right? There was nothing wrong with that and hopefully you learned a lesson too. Right? And that's the whole point is that there's
Nothing wrong. It's a natural part of our human physiology. If we couldn't survive without eating like we would not be here today because when we were cavemen and cavewomen
there whatever food every day
exactly they couldn't make it there might be a stretch of three four five days where there was no food. And therefore they had to survive on their own body fat which they did and that was the whole point. So let's let our body, you know you
Use it because that's the most natural thing to do.
What's the process for you? Your day-to-day life. Do you eat one meal a day two meals a day to you fast every month for a day. Are you always doing intermittent fasting? Is there a downside to intermittent fasting? What's your process?
Yeah, I usually do a lot of sort of I rarely eat breakfast and I'll tell you that it didn't come I mean I started this in medical school and that was mostly because I really wanted to just roll out of bed and
Go like, you know, I'd wake Up's literally like five minutes before I left this for. You know, I'm fresh Mighty put on some clothes and rolled out the door. I was you know, it's just a it is just that the way I was right and so I I don't eat breakfast now because again people say you have to eat breakfast you have t but there's actually nothing magical about breakfast if you don't eat breakfast what's going to happen? Well my body which is now burning fat because I've had eight hours of sleep. It's gone into sort of fat burning mode because that's the
Storage form of calories or it's burning sugar is just going to keep doing it, right there's nothing wrong with it. So so a lot of times I try and confine myself to sort of an eating window of sort of six to eight hours and then once in a while when I get very busy, I will do a 24-hour fast which is a one meal a day and then every so often I'll do a longer fast and the longer fast are actually not as bad as you might think that they really disrupt your schedule sort of socially, it's a tough one because a lot of our
socialization happens at meal so I often have dinner with my family for example and doing those longer fastest really really disruptive to that sort of thing, which is why when you look at traditional societies, like if you look at say, you know during major religions, for example, there will be a period of fasting that sort of universal so, you
know, everyone's doing it so no one's
feeling exactly because
Frost when they smell the food the like
exactly it so if you're if it's like Good Friday,
During Lent or during Ramadan for Muslims or you know during Yom Kippur for Jews or whatever everybody's fasting. So it's actually terrifically easy because you're not disrupting the sort of social fabric of your life there whereas nowadays if you fast and I've done this it's just really hard to do. So physically it's not hard but it's hard and I do it mostly, you know, when I when I've gained a bit of weight usually after the holidays and after a vacation, I will sort of schedule a longer fast right after because
I know that I can lose that way very quickly, but that means I can enjoy myself like a couple years ago. I went on a cruise and really ate too much. That's a lot. I had a lot and I knew it then I could feel it in my pants were tight and stuff. So I did sort of a three or four day fast and I'll tell you by the next week. I was back to my normal weight. Well, that's great because a week and but I got to enjoy the whole week prior where I really didn't look that what I was eating or how often I was eating or anything.
And I was like, this is my vacation. I'm doing this and at the same time I know hey, I've got this next, you know, after this week the week after, you know, very little to eat and and it gives you a great tool to use if you need
it. Right? Yeah, it's almost like either everyday don't indulge in balance and create a schedule where you're only eating a certain window of time whether it be four six eight hours, which I'm hearing is kind of the which would be a great standard to have it.
Tween 48 Hours of a feeding time. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah,
and if you want to lose weight you can do very well. Of course with a sort of standard 70's style sort of 8 a.m. To 6 p.m. Which in a 14-hour fast every single night. Remember they're doing 8 for 12 to 14 hours say every single night without even thinking about it. Like that's a secret because they don't even think about that. That's just a period of time that they're not eating right, but now of course the the Traditions are different you can eat
Are you why you can eat in this theater? You need at your desk peeking in a car like in the 70s stuff like that didn't exist. You didn't eat in a meeting in a boardroom. For example, now you go to a meeting in a board room when
there's food everywhere Donuts has
donuts and cookies, right somebody's order to play the bagels or something like that. Right why we're having a meeting here, right? So that's the that's the thing so you can do very well with that kind of, you know, a tower eating window for 10-hour eating window. You can do very well with it, but
But if you're not doing well, then you can extend it and that's the beauty of it. You could extend it as much as you want, right? So if you think about fast and you could go three days you can go five days. You can go 30 days people do that all the time,
but don't no food.
No food. Yeah, so if you look if you think about fasting so the ad but the amount of energy that you need so pound of fat has 3500 calories roughly if you need about 1,800 calories, so
Like a regular person not like an athlete or somebody's working out a lot. It takes about half a pound of fat per day. So if you're dealing with a lot of obese people like a hundred pounds overweight you could go 200 days, you know, if you want to lose a hundred pounds you could go 200 days without eating
before you get survive
and survive exactly and be okay exactly be perfectly fine because this is a very efficient fat as an efficient store of calories right is very efficient. That's
Why we
developed this to keep you alive when yours no food
around exactly. So yes, is that
does it affect your digestive system? Does that mess with your metabolism? If you don't eat after a certain amount of time? Yeah and what happens when you start eating again, does that affect your again your stomach your intestines, you're calling your metabolism what's affected there?
And this is the interesting part is that everybody thinks that fasting is like the worst thing you can do when you actually look at the science of what happens during fasting is actually one of the best things you can do for yourself from
The mental standpoint and a physiologic standpoint assuming of course, you're not malnourished. Right? I mean, I'm assuming if you're the average American who's still 10 20 30 pounds overweight then this is something that actually has a lot of benefits. So there's a lot of sort of myths around it one is that you're going to burn a lot of muscle and the truth is that you don't I mean when you you know, if your body your body stores energy as body fat, so people say, oh you're going to burn muscles like well you've
Got to think that our body is so stupid that it stores energy as fat but the minute you need it it starts burning muscle, right? Like why would our body be so stupid and if it were so stupid, how did we survive? Right and it's like, you know, if you save firewood all went for the winter and then as soon as it gets cold you chop up your sofa and throw it into the fire. Like why would you be so stupid right our bodies just the same it's not that so you know, and I know and everybody knows that the way that you build muscle is
You exercise right? So if you have you know lift heavy weights, then your muscles become stronger. It doesn't become stronger because you eat right that snake does nothing for building muscle like otherwise, we'd be you know, the strongest Nation on Earth, but we're not where the fattest Nation on Earth. So that's the whole problem. Right? I mean, you're confusing two completely different things. There is a point during fasting where there is a little bit of protein breakdown and that's where people get very
Very confused and say well you're burning muscle but you're not protein is not the same as muscle. So our body has all kinds of protein including all the connective tissue like the skin and stuff that holds stuff in place and some of that is often burned off. So, for example, when you look at the shows where people get surgery and they lose a hundred and fifty pounds they get all this Flappy skin, that's not excess fat that's excess protein. So that's you know, it's functional tissue that you've never used up. So we actually see very little of that problem when people
Fast because there's a small period of time where they're actually using up the protein the body will maintain its musculature based on what exercise and stuff you're using. So another big myths muscle burning is one thing the other big big myth is people talk about as starvation mode or metabolic rate. So metabolic rate is the amount of energy that your body uses in a day the number of calories you burn in a day and this is what we see if you simply cut calories, so this is a standard medical advice.
Ice cut 500 calories a day and you'll lose a pound of fat a week what happens of course is that you cut 500 calories a day and then your body quickly reduces the amount of calories that uses by about 500 calories. Now, you're actually not losing any weight. That's what happens all the time
because why does it stop? Why is this stop burning those
calories? Well, it stops burning the calories reducing as metabolic rate. So the metabolic rate is the energy that your body uses to say.
Generate body heat your liver your kidneys your heart and so on we've known this for a hundred years that if you simply restrict the number of calories, but keep the food's very similar. What happens is that your body is going to start using less. So because it doesn't like running a deficit rights, just like if you normally make a hundred thousand dollars a year and you spend $100,000 a year. Now you make 50,000 you don't keep spending a hundred right? It's you're going to you're going to get thrown in jail. But so
Oh you reduce your expenditures same as the body so it's getting less. So it's going to use last and that's the natural reaction. It's important because it's a survival response. It cannot do anything
different the difference like so it's almost like you need to be extreme. Injure you yeah, in order for it to burn and kill off these cells that might be harmful to you. But if you just do a little bit I'm going to eat a little bit less today. It's not going to have
much it doesn't work and and people assume that if you go to
Zero which is fasting so you fast for a full day. You have zero calories. You don't die. Right because what happens is completely different. Now, you've lowered your insolence you're changing the hormonal profile of the body. And as you do that, you're now switching fuel sources. So instead of using food as your fuel, they're switching it into body fat just like those hybrid cars where you go from gas to electric, right? So it's using food and then boom it's goes, okay.
Okay, I have no food coming in. I need to switch over now into body fat and then it goes well, I have like five hundred thousand calories of body fattier. So why do I need to cut cut it down? And the point is that it doesn't because assuming if you have no body fat, of course, it's a problem. But for people who have adequate stores of body fat, which is most of us and truthfully. Most people do it for weight loss too much body fat. Then what happens is that there's so much there. Why wouldn't you use it because it's a fuel source. That's all it is.
That's the way you have to look at the body fat. If you're eating all the time. You can never use your body fat because your insolence here your insolence. Hi, you're using food. Then you get hungry. So eat some more right? You have a snack you have a low fat muffin. You stay here. There's you can only burn food all that stuff over there those five hundred thousand calories body fat are completely inaccessible for your body. So if you simply dial it down like this and say, okay instead of 2000.
Cause I'm going to eat 1500 I'm going to eat 10 times a day keeping myself here. Now. You only have 1500 coming in you can only burn 1500 you can't access that. If you go to 0 you go boom and then your body burns the full mm. So they did a study for example where they took people and fasted them for four days and measured how many calories they're using. They also measure their VO2 which as you know is something that it's a measure of how much cellular work your body is doing and what they found.
So they measured the metabolic rate at time 0 then they measured it at four days of zero food and they were burning ten percent more calories than they were a per day than they were when they were eating the VO2 is 10% higher you're doing more work. Your body is actually not shutting down is revving itself up. And again, there's a good physiologic reason for that and we know that when insulin goes down when you switch yourself into this sort of, you know mode that you're
Burning fat other hormones go up including your sympathetic nervous system, which is your noradrenaline. So you're actually pumping your body up. The reason for that is sort of again. It's a survival response. So imagine again were cavemen and it's winter and there's no food. So if you don't eat for two days and you get weaker, you're never die again, you're gonna die because every day is going to be harder. You're going to Circle the Drain so our bodies just not that stupid, right? So what they do is that
Audie says, okay. There's no food coming in Boone. I'm going to switch you over to body fat and then I'm going to pump you up so that you have energy you go out. There you go kill that woolly
mammoth, very focused. You're cleared in the zone
everything exactly and that's that's the reason that we actually pump ourselves up and into constant. The the mental aspects is actually fascinating because people also say well I have to eat because I have to concentrate. It's like your concentration is actually much higher when you don't eat think about when you
you had a huge Thanksgiving meal. Well, were you really sharp or did you really want to just lie down on the sofa and watch some football? All right, you don't have any sort of focus, but if you think about animals, it's the same thing Lions. They just eat the dislikes and lounging around but if you're The Hungry Wolf that is not that is a very dangerous animal as he's focused. He's ready to kill you same thing for us our level of concentration in our mental ability mental agility.
Goes up significantly when we're hungry. Like if you think oh you're hungry for this hungry for that. That doesn't mean you're falling down with rgq means you're focused. So it's interesting because there is this book a few years ago called unbroken which is a biography of this fellow who got went to prisoner of war camp and World War II Japan and they his talking about starvation and he they were literally starving like there's yeah, they eat like almost nothing for the full day and he's talking about
How his his his other prisoners were doing these incredible mental feet? So one guy was reading a book entirely from memory another guy learned all of Norwegian in a week. And he so the guy says this is simply the mental Clarity of starvation. So it wasn't like it was so widespread. Everybody was starving and they see these incredible Feats that nobody else in the world could do all the time because your mental ability.
Is ramped up to such a high degree and then you know in the ancient Greece the ancient mathematician Pythagoras, he would require his students to fast in order to come to his class because otherwise he thought they had no mental agility to learn this stuff and it's like wow, this is incredible completely different than what we are taught. But again, same thing our bodies actually ramping up ramping up because again, our major advantage over the lions and tigers and bears is really the
Israeli that mental ability
but isn't there a faith isn't there like a period of time in the day for most people where they feel man? I'm really hungry. Like I can't focus. I can't concentrate because I'm starving like I want food and now and it's actually hurting them and focusing. It's almost like a window of time where you have to just deal with that period and then it switches on into okay. I'm not hungry anymore. I haven't eaten in a day, but I'm not hungry anymore, and I'm focused is there.
Window of time where
there absolutely is. So this is why it's important to get you know to understand what happens during fasting so you can prepare for it. So if you look at Hunger during fasting so they've done again studies where they fast people for 24 hours and they measure a hormone called ghrelin, which is the hunger hormone. The higher it is the hungry you are turns out that our ghrelin Peaks three times a day breakfast lunch and dinner. So you get hungry at you know, 12 o'clock. It's lunch time you get hungry. So it's a learned response the
Jin is what happens. If you don't eat because hunger keep going up and up and up. It doesn't in fact the Grail in actually Peaks and then it just Falls if you don't eat it will actually just fall down and it will fall down within a couple of hours right to Baseline, which means that your level of hunger so at 12:30 1:00 o'clock. You're hungry no question about it. If you don't eat by three four o'clock that hunger level is actually the same whether you ate or you didn't eat.
What happened while your body simply took the calories at needed from your body fat? You took that meal from your body fat and your hunger went down? So that's really interesting. So if you know that it's a wave right you just have to let the sort of wave Passover. Yeah. Well, I often tell people you will get hungry. Okay, don't don't pretend that you're not because you will what you got to do is prepare for it and say, okay. Well if you get hungry, then you either are several things one stay busy, you know, keep doing stuff. Don't just think about how hungry you are.
So we all have had this where were you know working on some kind of you know doing work work or if you're doing some kind of you know home renovation or something. I did this all the time where I'm like painting, you know the house or something like that, right and I'll just power right through because I just want to get it done and I'm not hungry at all because I'm so busy. I'm so focused on doing the work that I just forgot about it, right? You see this all the time, you know people who go to the casino and people who play video games they just get so engrossed. So that's one strategy the other
Do you need to get something like green tea or coffee that you can drink by the time you finish and you know big cup of green tea the hunger will have passed the you know that it's going to pass and that's the point, you know, it's not going to get worse and worse and worse. And and that's how you do it. What's even more interesting actually is if you look at multiple day studies where they fast people for three four five days Darrell and Peaks and then after about two days and starts going down so by you know day to day three
as you get to day four day five the hunger almost completely disappears. It's actually fascinating. If you've never done it since I've done a few of these four five day fast and interesting because there's actually no physical sense of hunger. There's a whole lot of pay that slice of pizza looks really good. I really want to eat it. Right but there's no actual physical hunger. So if I hadn't seen it, which is hard now, of course with all the advertising and all this sort of stuff. I would actually, you know gone and right by and done it but the point
Is that the hunger is something that you have to learn how to deal with but it's not impossible because again, one of the big objections to people with fasting is that nobody can do it like it works sure if you don't need to lose weight and the way you do it. Well, you know that literally millions of people throughout history have done this. Look at Ramadan you look at Yom, Kippur you look at length, like when people say okay we're going to fast together because our strength is in our togetherness, right?
You know, it's good Friday. We're not going to eat for this amount of time. Well, that's that's how people did it. Right they supported each other. There was no food around somebody not frying up, you know
steak while you're trying to force a very good cookies
exactly. So that's how you do it. Right you get yourself a supportive Community, you know you figure out something that you really love to do that keeps you active during that time and and that's how you get through it. Right and and and while you do that
Wash your body uses up the body fats. You're going to lose weight. It's going to use up the blood sugar which is going to keep you from becoming diabetic and it's insulin is going to fall which is going to reduce your risk of cancer in the long term as well as those other conditions obesity and type 2 diabetes, which puts you at such high risk of cancer in the first place. You're doing all kinds of good stuff for your body and it's completely free right you don't spend money on ya.
This is the parent that's crazy is because if you think about the number of diseases that you can make better heart attack Strokes cancer diabetes, which is the leading cause of blindness of kidney disease of amputations the the secret to managing all of these things is not more medicine and surgery. It's less. It's actually within our grasp because fasting is free to every single person on Earth you can do it.
A right now and start right now on the path to getting better is just a matter of having that knowledge to do it the people you talk to you. Oh, you can't do it. You can't do it just like that's not true. We all used to do it. Right if you think about you know, you know community of like, you know on Yom Kippur like millions of Jews around the world are doing a Ramadan millions of Muslims are doing it or you know millions of Catholics are fasting during
Good Friday, like my priest used to tell me all the time during Lent, you know fasting fat like that's all he talked about practically so it's such an incredible tool that we've just sort of forgotten about and yet has more power than almost anything else to prevent all of the diseases and we don't have to charge anybody anything. We're not trying to sell anybody anything We're just trying to tell you. Yes, you can do it because if you have too much weight and it's putting you at risk of this cancer.
Then let your body burn off that Sugar let your body burn off that
fat a couple months ago. I did a four-day fast or I just had water and a black coffee a day.
And it felt incredible first couple days was challenging but by day three I was like, I'm in the zone and I felt good. I looked younger. I felt healthier. I was doing it for more of like seeing what I could do in my mindset and seeing what it would do for my, you know, kind of cleaning out my system. I just so happened to lose seven and a half pounds. It was burning a lot of excess fat, but I just felt better. I felt more confident I felt
Oh, I could do something challenging which gave me more strength in my mind. It was a spiritual experience in a lot of ways and I'm curious what are the other myths about fasting that people are afraid of that that you've
debunked. I mean the point about being healthier is one of these things that people think it's super unhealthy for you. It's actually one of the healthiest things you can do as long as your again not underweight and you're doing it safely write your
Not on a bunch of medications that need adjustment at that kind of thing. But there's this whole recent scientific sort of Revolution into this process called at off a g which is been, you know, very very topical people have been going crazy on it because in 2016, one of the Nobel prizes in medicine was awarded to one of the early researchers and what it showed is that when you fast and you turn down these nutrients sensors then your body actually starts to
Activate a process called at off agenda topic G is where your body breaks down these sort of sub cellular organelles and just gets rid of them. Right? It breaks it down and recycles them and everybody thinks well, if you're breaking down stuff that's bad for you. Right you're breaking down proteins bad for you is good for you because the first thing you need to do whenever you want to renovate for example, say you want to renovate your bathroom. The first thing you got to do is throw out everything in there.
Right that avocado green tub has to go. Otherwise, you can't put in a new top right just the way it is. That's just so your body works the same way. The first thing you have to do is get rid of the old junky old protein. You got to break it
down. You gotta kill off those cells. Yeah, I gotta kill them off the body and let them whatever it was flush out your skin or whatever they do.
Right exactly the skin proteins the connective tissue all of that goes and it's not like that.
He knows what it needs and doesn't need what happens is that everything starts to go and then the stuff you need like if you're still exercising your body's like hey, I still need those muscles. I'm going to rebuild that so that's the key that one of the things that activates during fasting is actually growth hormone. So if you will Fast for 24 hours, your growth hormone level is like four times what it is really when you're eating. Yeah, and it sounds very strange. Why would growth hormone goes up? Well, it's because of this whole process where you want to break down stuff as soon as you start to
Eat it. You want to rebuild all of it? So the Nobel Prize in medicine, which is doctor osuni said this is the body's intracellular recycling system. So it's not let's flush out all our old stuff. It's not flush it out and rebuild into new stuff. But if you think about it, that's incredibly powerful because that's the whole process of Rejuvenation right get rid of the old stuff bringing new stuff. It's like renovating your body, right? So all the cells in your body undergo this process of regeneration that you're not
Get if you are eating all the time. So this is this whole you know in people who are very interested in Wellness. A lot of people are looking into this Atop A G and so on and and and you get this this point where you're doing, you know, so you've done these longer fast. It's like wow, this is you just feel really good about yourself, you know, you're full of energy, right? And this is the thing that I have fought very strange when I did my first sort of three or four day fast, it's like I have a ton of energy
Energy, like I could feel like I could do anything my friend who used to work. He's at he's a doctor and he worked a lot of nights and stuff. He said it felt like my brain was like a fire like I thought I could do anything and everything faster than I could and better than I could ever do it before interestingly another friend of mine who's a cardiologist. He's a heart specialist. He says, you know, I used to he played piano for his whole life and he says there's always this piece that I couldn't play and then as soon as I started fasting I noticed that I could start to die. Wow.
That's incredible, right and and and the doctors when I talked to the doctors, they actually also instantly see the logic of what I'm talking about because they know the physiology what happens in the human body because what I'm talking about which is what all the stuff we know about medical physiology is in contrast to all the stuff that people tell you about fasting which is so you can't do it and it's dangerous and it's really bad for you. Whereas the opposite is true. Right? It's actually part of a natural cycle, right? It's feeding and fasting.
And fasting right? You don't feed all the time. You don't fast all the time. We've gone so far into that one thing. So yeah, I mean this this whole point of topology is very very interesting very topical. If you look at studies of longevity, for example, and animals. The only thing that really makes people makes animals in the lab live longer is caloric restriction. And so even almost a hundred years ago people were talking about it and saying well,
You can try and restrict your calories. But if you do that day after day after day is really hard. So fasting may be a better way to go which is something they figured out sort of Ages ago because if you look back that's how people thought of fasting but people called it a cleanse detoxification, you know Reawakening spiritual, you know purification that kind of thing right? There's this whole sense of rebirth and something super healthy for you, which got turned into
The 80s into something really bad for you right strange how things work, but without any sort of scientific evidence and as we become as a nation more overweight, it becomes even more important and and that's just one of these sort of fascinating things. So I'm you know, it's not like something I just made up. It's like literally the oldest dietary intervention in the box, right? I'm just running extremely discovering this and trying to tell people
Hey, there's a lot of good medical science that tells you this is actually something that is applicable to what we're seeing today in our Healthcare and you can do something that you don't need your doctor. You don't need your dietitian. You can do something about it right now for no money. Right and there's the Sciences all there, right? Imagine how much money you can save as a society if we got rid of this problem and it's like oh my God like
The the it's
mind-blowing. Well, I think that's part of the issue is the reason it's not popular I guess is because businesses make a lot of money on medicine businesses make a lot of money on selling more food not selling less food and therefore people want to make more money and so they have to Market their products if the market their medicines if the market their foods to try to sell more of it not to say, oh just have a few of these just have a little a couple cookies a day. No, they want to sell boxes of cookies, right? It's not like
To make money as in their mind. This is a business to be run and we need to sell more more means more people need to eat sugar refined sugar bread's all these things refined oils refined Meats for fine fats. All these things. You said that are horrible for us to eat the company's making them in order for them to survive financially. They need to sell more of these things to us which
challenge it's a real problem because if you look at say
so, you know the doctors and the dietitians you go to conferences there sponsored by Kellogg's and you know, the breakfast makers and so on and it's crazy. I was watching the show the other day one of these, you know TLC shows with like these very heavy women. Anyway, they're trying to lose weight and they're taking these protein shakes I'm taking and they couldn't drink it as horrible stuff. They tasted really bad. So they spit it out. I'm thinking somebody's just trying to make a buck on you because you should just
Water let your body use the fat and use the protein from your own body. Why would you want to drink two of these protein shakes a day except that somebody wants to sell it to you, right? You're being played here. You're drinking this horrible horrible tasting stuff and they're spitting it out. They couldn't take it. It's like oh this the whole thing is so sad because it's like if you knew you could simply take nothing at all and beef are healthier and save yourself a lot of money.
Honey, it's a sad sad sort of State of Affairs that we get into.
What would you say are the top four or five benefits of fasting then if we had to recap that part of it, what would you say are the top five? I'm hearing it's free. That's one
of them. Yeah, so it's free. That's a huge thing. It's it you really you can add it to any diet because remember that it does not tell you what to eat when you're eating it only tells you what the period of time that you're not eating. So whether you're a
Terry in or carnivore or paleo or keto or whatever you want to be even if you want to eat fast food all day. It doesn't tell you you can't eat fast food. It tells you that during this period of time don't eat so you can add it to any diet because incredible because now we're pulling on a completely different lever. That is if you think about weight loss and nutrition in general, there's two levers, right? We always think of the what you're eating right eat more vegetables. That's great. But what if you don't like vegetables right? Well that livre doesn't work, right?
Right. So here's a completely different leave or you're talking about. Well, there's this other thing I can do to lose weight or get healthier, right? So you can add it to any diet. It's completely flexible that is to say you can do it whenever you want or if you don't watch if its crispness and you do not want to fast for these few days, then you don't have to if the decide to fast longer after Christmas then sure you can do that. That's completely up to you. It's not
Locked in you know, the fourth thing is that it's very simple. So if you look at a lot of diets that is to say say you're on a Paleo diet is a great diet, right? But it's like, this is Paleo and this is pelean. This is not paleo, right? It's complex or keto or whatever you want to be. So it's very difficult for some people to understand and I've tried to explain sort of these differences because they'll always get confused and you always get the is this keto or is this paleo River whereas fasting is very
Simple it's like you can drink water and tea and herbal tea say that's it. Everything else. You can't eat right? So it's very simple to explain to somebody it makes it very easy for them to follow because it's very black and white. If you ate a peanut that's not fasting right? Yes. It's not a big deal, but the same time that's not fasting and then the other thing is that it's powerful right? Because if you if you follow any type of a diet, there's always a natural limit, so
Here you want to lose weight then so you say I'm going to do a keto diet or paleo diets or vegetarian diet. So you do a vegetarian diet and you lose a you know a few pounds but not as much as you want, but you can't go more vegetarian the vegetarian already. So what else are you going to do? There's nowhere else, you know, you can't go more ketover. You can't go more paleo. Whereas there's no actual upper limit to what you can do in terms of fasting and it's powerful because you're eating
Row which means that it is by definition for weight loss the most powerful diet. There is like absolutely you cannot lose more
than that. You put cat any calories in your body no matter what diet you're on you're not going to lose as much as if you had zero
calories exactly. So that's the whole thing. It is the most powerful Guidance the the
most powerful star rating,
but it's like, okay. Well, why would you not want it right if you have a lot of work to do
You want the best tool? That's it, right. This is the best tool and somehow we said don't ever use this right? It's like why if you use it, you'll actually get all these other benefits. So it's just free it's available. It's simple, you know, you can do it with any diet and it's powerful and you actually don't have to stop you can actually keep going and you know do a seven-day fast and take a little break to another seven day fast and and you can't go lower than zero. There's no way it is possible physiologically to go less than zero, so
So it is the most powerful diet. So there's so many benefits and yet for four years. I'll tell you when I started using it with with patients in about seven or eight seven years ago. Maybe it was like the stuff we saw was just incredible people were like coming off their medications. They're reversing their type 2 diabetes or losing weight and it's like, you know all from this simple intervention. That is literally the oldest one in the book.
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