He just come back to it. We're talking about a whole different topic. He's like a big old tires, really? You could just own well, Big old tires and that's it. It's like, just kind of idiot with you. Example, of one of these, like, shitty brick-and-mortar chains that are like, you know, so easy sweaty, cash flow business. I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to be like,
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All right, you ready? Greatest show I've ever done.
A lot of people have, we got a lot of good comments on the last show. People were saying, someone asked me an interesting question. They go, your guys's Cadence is really good. You guys, you talk really fast and it feels quickly. And then someone said, do you do something?
To one another because we're on an IR remote. Do you do something to one another to let each other know that, it's your turn to speak? And I was thinking, I think we just have we just know each other well enough, that we know how to do it. But there is something that we each do, at least I pay really touching to you and you do it and I try to give you the signal, which is you open up your mouth when you want to say something. And then there's you, let it sit open for a minute. These are the main Zoom
hack because you, like you, like, and the little up is without the without. The sound is basically just set alight. Now,
But you know, because on the recording did not going to see it, so it's a silent signal. Whereas, if you're doing that in person, I'd be a little, like strange. But yeah. It definitely works of the hard one is during interviews because during interviews, the guest is talking. We don't know when they're going to stop their opening up. Like, it probably a bunch of Life paths. You could go down, like they mention three things. I say it was really hard then they said they met a guy who was the guy and they said that it really changed the perspective. But how what did it change? And so you're like,
And then we don't know who's gonna go. We're both pretty insatiably curious. I have a bad habit of just like talking too much in general in life and so then it's like we don't know which path we're going to go and we don't know who's going to decide. So A Team interview I think is really hard.
It's very that's very hard. The interviews are easier in person, but we do this now with just us. I think it's way easier on Zoom because I've gotten so used to it. Also, I've recorded in studios, like you have done,
Lately, you're going to talk about your trip and Lala I cannot stand when there's a third party there because I'm constantly trying to entertain her and like the, like the person there. But yeah, we what people don't see, is we do a good job of opening our mouths, just a little bit. So the other person knows what it's done. Pro tips for everybody. Yeah, that's what you learn. After three years of intense podcasting, one of the top-ranked business podcast in the world that you don't get. These kind of insights anywhere else. No, oh my God. Someone was like, you guys are so fast paced? I'm like, yeah, yeah.
There's me, I usually always think like a 20 or 30 minute nap. I just closed my eyes and lay down on this
couch. That guy's definitely just listening to us on 2X and is like, wow, these guys are strange. He doesn't know, he hit the button on his app
so you just went to LA last episode. I asked you about it. You do said I'm gonna do a whole thing where I tell you about it. I love these things because you're very observant. You are you are you have great observations and you don't ever leave your house. So when you do your extra you're at you have great observations, boy me
This world and the thing about you is you've got like a child's like all of the world, because like you're so sheltered and you live in such a bubble. And so, you say these things that I'm used to, but I love just hearing it
anyway. Sam Farr backhanded compliment one of the finest. Yes. All those things are true. There used to be a website back in the day. I don't know if you remember, I don't know if it's still up. Probably is a little big details. Did you ever see this website know? And it's a great little blog to Tumblr, blog. Actually, that's like the Tumblers not even around anymore, but
What they did was those 2017,
they were just like a swipe file. So they would just capture any example of like, a small thing that a company did well. So
like on a Google doc it on a Google doc when you go to share it and you don't name it. It just takes the first line of what you spoke about and it makes that the title of the Google Doc as opposed to just naming it Untitled document.
Yeah, exactly. Or like it says on Google if you Google the word kerning every
word that shows up in the results has a large amount of kerning, right? Like, the the font or it'll be like, you know, the error like the 404 page of this site. Instead of just saying error, has this really fun if I can poem or whatever it is? And so I love this website, I love the name, little big details, I love this site because it just gave me a bunch of inspiration. Went back in the day when I was like more of like a p.m. product designer type guy but third.
Little bit details are the secret of life. Right. I've said this before, it's the moments in between the moments, like it's not the big moments that matter. It's the moments in between those moments that matter. This is the product version of that it's like, here's the little things I remember. The first time I use slack and our designer typed a hex code, they're like, oh yeah, it's going to be color, you know, number eight, three, three, four, four F. And then it just it automatically swap that to the color swatch. So we can see it area added the color. Swatch to it in line, right?
And we were just like what the like it was a mic drop moment in our, and our every like our design team was like, okay, I fuck with this product. Like they like somewhere in this at designer was like, you know, it'd be cool and be cool if you could actually see the preview of the thing because nobody knows what these numbers mean. And like I don't know how they did it with the Emoji size thing and it was just like a little bit detail. There was a bunch of those with a great with great products, like site that kind of like we were in the first hundred users of slack or something. And so it was very clear that like, this thing might become a thing because the
Care that they took to this. So anyways the things I want to talk about the LA trip. They're not the big moments. It's not. I met with this famous person. And here's the groundbreaking Insight, I tried to find a bunch of the little big details on a bunch of the moments in between the moments. I think were interesting in their own way. This is for two reasons, one, I don't really want to brag or I can't really talk too much about the people I met and what they said, because it'd be kind of airing out, you know, those private meetings. But to, I think there's just a lot of interesting stuff in these or at
I think there could be, so I wrote down a bunch of very vague, but slightly intriguing bullet points and you can pick. But I will say, here's the structure. So I go to LA with been business partner. Ben, we do three things. So we here's the daily schedule morning is basically meetings in a workout. That was the goal. Midday was typically recording a podcast live in person with someone that we admired respected.
Acted or thought was really cool and then the evening was always a dinner with kind of like founder, friends, who were almost always people who had sold their companies, hold one or more companies in the past and we did that for five days straight. So we would leave the house at 8:00 a.m. We would get back around, midnight and crash in the, do it all again, the next day. Oh my God. And for me, who's someone who's almost always at home on, I have two little kids that are under the age of, you know, four years old. So you know, I'm on a
Schedule. Typically, this was crazy. But what was it? Was an awesome was an awesome experience. So now take it away,
all right? So you have a list of maybe 20 things I bolted about half of them, that intrigued me. I want to learn about big companies CEOs, talking about laundromats. All right, so this is the story we're out at a one of a kind of like after dinner just like, let's go hang out this other place. So we're hanging.
That this other place and it's me it's business partner Ben and it's our buddy Suey and we're hanging out and Ben goes, hey, that's so-and-so and be looking for awesome. Like I don't even like I don't recognize the name or the face. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, we did a call with him two years ago and I was like, what is it? Yeah we did the zoom call for like 20 minutes with that guy, he introduced to this guy other guy and I was like
Don't I mean I can't for the life of me. Remember this guy says, and this guy, by the way, doesn't remember our us either, right? Like he doesn't recognize us either been. He's got like freaking the like you know China has the facial recognition software that this running at all times. Using a I been has it has that this happens like five or six times during the trip would see someone walking by and be like, that's that girl from pooter what? And so he doesn't he's like, hey blah, blah blah and they're like
He's like, hey, it's been, we talked to years ago on a zoom call for 20 minutes and he's like the you see the I kind of like doesn't really know what's going on. They're having dinner so we merge dinners.
Wait, did you really?
Yeah, we just merge Hangouts. There are crew was awesome. So they're they're best friends from business school. They went to Harvard Business School together, one of them runs, one of them is now CEO of a public company, can't say which one, but he's such a
funny guy so much assuming multi-billion multi-billion dollar
companies. Yeah, over, 1 billion dollars. So
We're hanging out. And this guy who's the CEO of a, multiple of a multibillion-dollar company. At the moment. He goes he's like, yeah, he was like, oh, you do a podcast? What's a podcast? I what is called, oh yeah, I'll check it out, right? And he's kind of like, he's like one of those people that's like busy actually doing something so, he's like, was kind of detached from, like, the world of, like, Twitter and podcasts and like, content creators and all this stuff. But as we're talking, he's like, oh, you know, one thing I did see what's with all these, like entrepreneurs, who own
laundromats an HVAC,
And shit.
Yeah, they're just by laundromats. They're just making like a million dollars a year. Owning a laundromat like it. What is this? They can't be true. He's like this is like he's like this.
Either this is not true and they're lying, or this is true. What the hell are we all doing? Why don't we all only like 15 laundromats? He's like it's, it can only be one of two situations and it's we had this hilarious conversation with this guy
but there's not a third situation of it is true and it's kind of
stupid. No, he was like if it's true that these things are as you know, sort of simple and cash flow as Pop as they sound, why would we all not just on 15 of these and call it a day things like and if it's not true, why the hell are they talking?
Think about it, like it is and I just thought it was so funny because it was like smart person. It's kind of like when you if you took a really healthy person to like a grocery store and walk through the snack aisle, they'd be like so this is all just sugar. You be like, well, yeah, there's like so all the kids food is sugar and then all the adult food is like sugar and salt, like you eat this, why wouldn't you just eat normal food? And you're like, I mean, I can't defend it. It's just the way I don't know is what it is. That's how he was talking about.
Entrepreneurial content that he's run into on on social media, just like in passing while he's like, trying to like, go see friends photos. He's like, why is this entrepreneur telling me that they make so much money? So easily doing something? So, so, so so stupid and hands off. He's like, it's either not hands off. It doesn't make that much money, or we are all idiots and it because it is hands off and makes that much money. And I just thought it was such a like, it was so funny the way he was ranting about it and he was just like kept and then every 15 minutes during the conversation he'd be like
He just come back to it. We're talking about a whole different topic, he's like a big old tires, really? You could just own 12, Big old tires and that's it. With you, example, of one of these like shitty brick-and-mortar chains that are like, you know, so easy sweaty, cash flow business.
I went through this period, so I was public about this. I bought property to do an Airbnb because I was like, you know, let's see if I'm interested in that. And what I've learned is exactly what that guy feels, which is
If you can make money on the internet or like through content or software or something like that, the business is so much better. You can create a huge amount of money from nothing. You need nothing except when you got to work on it with the real estate and laundromats that shit you make. We're talking like single digits if you're really lucky tens of thousands of dollars a month in profit and it's a pain in the butt man. It is so hard and you have to have a ton of money to do it like it's quite challenging. So I understand now Mike
Oh my God, like I have the skill set. This is so stupid to do this. Other thing when this other, when this internet thing is so much easier. I feel I totally understand what he's saying.
And so the other great story this guy told, so try to do this without giving away too much info. So, he, you know, he takes over as CEO of this company, he wasn't the original CEO. He becomes gets hired, a CEO or become CEO, and now this company has like, it's like has
Scale, but it's not profitable. So the stock is getting kind of hammered and the company wasn't doing so well because it's not profitable and so there's all these theories. So if you if you just listen to like the pundits they would be like it's a category problem. Like this category can't be profitable because of a b c and d, the sort of like it's more like they're all theorizing about it and they're made it sound like it's just a law of physics that it's just not going to work. Bad category. Like, like, like like grocery delivery. I like 15 minutes.
At grocery delivery or whatever, right? Yeah. And so that was, if you just listen to the smart pundits you would have just been like, well, impossible. And if you listen to the original team, they'd be like, you know, like yeah, it's we're working on. It's like, no, you're not dude. Every single customer we lose. We lose money. Every time someone buys from us, don't you recognize how big of an issue? This is like, how did you let this go on for this long this way. And he's like, okay, so First Act, this is CEO. He
Those two like the kind of, like let's say, the place where the kind of the product is developed or made, like it has like a real world product. It's like a, it's a, it's a business that's like Tech enabled, but it has
like a real world world component. Yeah,
similar to, like an Uber or a like Airbnb. Has a fit in, there is the physical place. So the guy goes a is that we're like, so what do you do? And he's like I just sat there, I just sat got a chair and I sat down in the middle and they just watched for a
Eight hours straight. He's like I just looked eyes looked at what was going on. I had no preconceived judgments. I said, let me just watch what's actually happening here. How is it that we are losing so much money for every order that we get? Every customer that we get, we lose money. How is this possible? He just sits there. He watches it watches and he's like, oh,
Okay, I see.
We got too many people doing too little shit and the manager is not doing what they're supposed to be doing and so he's like I like that got your outside for half the time and therefore this person is not doing what they're doing and these three people are trying to do the same thing. He's like, I didn't have to like it wasn't a theoretical problem and it wasn't an inevitable problem. It was just a everybody's to distance from the thing problem. Everybody. Nobody's ass at here for eight hours straight. Just watched what the hell is actually going on, and
And they told the story, how they actually turned it around. I was profitable and like, so on and so forth. And so I think that's all I can say without giving too much away. But I just love this guy, I love the story, the two things that he did that he said out loud was the like hey we were pause time out. Time out. We can all just some big old tires and call it a day. Like if it's that easy we should be doing if it's not that easy, screw those people for saying it and secondly his like I'm just going to go sit for eight hours and watch and just really get to a first like a
Clear, understanding of what is actually happening before we come to any other conclusions. Will
you ever do one of these things? So I dip my toes in it and my thing like it's on paper, it's successful. It's just like, it's just it's emotional baggage. What do you think about yours? Or are you ever going to do anything like
that? You mean a business that has real-world sweatiness.
Yeah, yeah yeah. Like Ferrari cam thing. We ran our own warehouse for a while said that was like you know ultimately my problem if things went wrong and I spent many weekends you know, like breaking down a pallet and reorganizing the warehouse and making it work and looking at the numbers and be like, why is this person's? Well, you know, maybe we should measure their rates and like this guy's picking 80 products per hour and this one's picking 40. Is it a person thing? Or is this guy just lazy or what's going on? Like and it just dealing
All those issues you know one guy threatened to kill another guy today at work. All right. There's nothing in the handbook for that. Yo this doesn't make me money but I think you can lose me.
But did you really have that incident? You had that incident.
You gotta call those. Just one guy. Just threatened to kill the other guy like what should I do? Like it was a kind of a serious threat. He's mad like I don't think he's going to do it but he did yelling in front of everybody.
I was like well I think he got a fire that guy right now and I don't know why you're on the phone with me. And then the other person, like why are they? Why does that guy want to kill him? What did he do instead? Like, you know, can we just replace all these people with somebody else? You know it was it was not a they're just there. It's a very hard thing. It's hard like getting Warehouse Crews that are happy productive and kind you know and reliable is not like a thing for anybody. I have a friend who runs it e-commerce store and they go. I'm shutting
Down my warehouse tomorrow. Like where can I move or like, what happened, what happened? He is someone just shit all over the floor in the warehouse for no reason. Ha ha ha. What did he do? She goes, she wasn't she? Why does she do it on the floor in a warehouse? Or was it an accident?
Was I asked the
wrong questions apparently cuz I didn't I didn't ask that one, I had ten questions but that wasn't. What about the NBA player? All right, and being a player. So we need an NBA player in a way. This isn't my story. I wasn't there for this but been related to be is very funny. He's like talked about like yeah. So is it it's kind of like what do you say to these guys? Right. So like they get a bunch of fanboys.
And you don't want to be a fanboy in general. I would say there was really two learnings. The first was we go to this thing. There's a bunch of NBA players.
But who cares? Like you know, they're cool. I think they're cool. I think there's cool, it's cool what they do. But like this event, you know, it's like it's hard to like what do you do? They're not gonna be your friend. Like this is a very unlike. What do you think is gonna happen? Here you go in excited. First of all here, you know what they're thinking, you know, what? They're thinking which is like, if Shawn pretty tall you ever lace up like, you know, we we need, we need a fist, like, are you interested? Like, that's what you want?
Happen, right? Exactly. It's like, we've been waiting for this, you know, this Indian guy with no athleticism, like, you know, would you like to become my best friend and come on the road with us? Like, you know what? What's
going on here, like meeting Drake, it's be like, hey, you're really like, you're really good at speaking. Do you have to have a mix tape on you that I can check out? I want to
just hit Studio. Yeah, that's what. That's what you want to happen. So I think the realization
Was we got excited to go to this event, but it's also like cool. This event is cool, but that's not gonna happen. Nothing's gonna happen that awesome from this event. In that way to things happen, we meet a team owner. Again, Ben runs. Facial recognition software is like that, guy's a minority owner of the Philadelphia 76ers or something like that. I was like, how do you know the minority owners of the? He's like, I recognized him from something I read and I was like and nobody's talking this guy because nobody knows this all kind of like older looking, dude. So we go up to a lake. Hey, you're
Blah, blah, blah. Normally when Ben does this that person is so elated that somebody kind of knows them that you're a fan of theirs. There, nobody's talking them. Otherwise they kind of like they know they're actually pretty dope but nobody at this event knows their dope. This was the opposite. This guy just totally big doghouse and made us seemed like we were pieces of shit so we're like oh cool I asked you 10 questions you gave me exactly ten words as answers so one word per question and you left your are pods in the whole time and
and then you looked at us at the end. Like if you ask me one more question, I'm gonna fuckin slap you. If you know, we started in walked away and then we had the bass player experience where Ben takes a foot bends. Like oh look I got this photo with this site, famous NBA player and we had a realization. The realization was this, it's dope. If these guys were our friends but it's not going to happen this way. The only dope situation is not that we meet them and we're a fan of them and we they recognize us as a fan but that there are
And of what we do and we're a fan of at they do. That's the only cool version of this is do something dope so that they have respect for you as you have respect for them. So you should actually spend your time instead of chasing them to meet them and get a picture with them and whatever just do dope shit become a magnet where other people who are awesome will respect you and want to meet you in want to talk to you or have something that they, you know, some common ground that the pier versus fan. But yeah, so like
showing them your calves was not going to like, cut it like, oh, like
Like
I run a 5440. Does that do anything for you? Can you catch up? Huh. Can you jump
high? Those calves are looking great. Yeah,
I wear I wear a Fitbit. We have so much. So. Alright, next thing was every players like right, we're someone so I have nothing to lose at this point. So we're like so like what's it? Like just like having, you know, tons of chicks that want to be with you? Like how do you do that? I didn't have to get that.
At he's like because we are like yeah he's got he's like I got a wife and kids and so he's like he's like I told my wife, I said this is have somebody does that voice? Yeah, I mean maybe good things. Come after that tone. Yes, I said baby. You're happy right? Yeah, I'm happy. Maybe you got the house of your dreams, right? Yeah. Yeah, baby. I gave you three. Beautiful children. Right sure. Did the beautiful children? Yes,
Baby, you can buy anything you want on this credit card, right? Yeah, yeah. Maybe you got to be called my wife, right?
What more do you want, baby? He won't bother you. I just had it out. Open conversation with my wife, that like look, you're gonna have a bunch of amazing things that are in your life and so am I. Oh my God, I hate that, by the way, I hate that. Of course you hate that. I mean, it's it's not necessarily something that's admirable. I've just said it was something that was fucking hilarious. And nobody is that honest. And I thought, wow, to have
Have the the honesty to tell a stranger that story is a confidence level that I can only admire the you know do I do that with my wife? No of course not what I want to even know. I do it with my wife except it's a little bit different. It's like hey, Sarah look you know if someone comes in this home I'm gonna go and fight to the death to protect. You write whatever you want. I'll give you I'll do anything for you. Take out the trash, please. The usually it's more like that. It's like, will you be the one who takes out the the
Today, let you do it this week and tomorrow, when someone breaks into our home, I'll die for you normally. It's normally that's the argument that I made. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
These are all that great traits I would say but I found it hilarious. This falls in line with just a general thing which was people in l.a. say wild shit. Like people are so like name-drop e and muddy
droppy. It's disgusting, isn't
it?
It, but they're not even really even aware of it. It's crazy. Like, they'll be like, is made up example. But like, yeah, yeah, we can meet at my place. It's over on, you know, Beverly and whatever. It's a 4.2 million dollar property. Think, well, why did you add that at the end? But completely, unnecessary information, complete, Bragg, out of nowhere and I just kept getting sideswiped by Bragg's. As I was walking through all, I just up Sir, you dropped this,
Oh that's oh, that's a producer. You know? Yeah, there's a name. Okay, here you go take that I couldn't believe it. I think SF is obnoxious. San Francisco is obnoxious in its own way, which way is you'll be like, Oh, I'm going to eat dinner there. Like dinner is, you know, actually unnecessary studies show. I say what, dude, I just want to eat dinner. Like, don't like make me look. We don't really like be transhuman right now. Like, you know, we don't have to like, like, not everything has to be a thing or like, you know, we don't do use AI to like, you know,
Go get a smoothie right now but like you know San Francisco is obnoxious in its own ways but the LA version of being obnoxious, I found to be very strange. Yeah it makes me really uncomfortable whenever I'm there. It's it every every city is a dick measuring contest but the type that they measure in La I like the regrettable ass right? And in San Francisco with? Yeah. Ambitious. Are you right now? You say the craziest thing you're working on? No no. You say the crazy investment you just made. It's like
Ambition contest and New York is like some power contest. And Allah is basically like a fame fame contest or a network contest like who do you know? And who knows you?
When I when my wife used to work at Facebook, one time, Facebook rented out, the baseball stadium AT&T park. And I remember going there and we wore nice clothes like a suit jacket or whatever. But then the engineers would wear, it was like a contest to see who could look the most schleppy. So it would be like one guy wearing a tuxedo T-shirts. Like, oh, I see it.
It's like your ironic that's funny and then another guy would be like just only wearing pajamas and Birkenstocks or another guy like only pajamas but like dress shoes. It's like, oh, it's to your make a joke. Like how you think that that means you're dressing up? Get it. I get it. You're like a brilliant guy, your Einstein, and that's type of contest that you would see there, or as an Ela. It's like Land Rovers Range, Rovers and fancy cars and everyone has beautiful white teeth and
Like, have you noticed that there the keep
it that way? Veneers less? Yeah. What about his Engineers were? I don't know. Just it was a blind spot for me. I didn't even know what the hell Vernie veneers were didn't know. Who have, you know how
you get them.
Dude, I went down the rabbit hole. I went on YouTube, like, three hours of what are these
things? You like drill each tooth. So it's almost looks like a spike and then you like put up these fake things on there and glue them on there. So your teeth are like ruined. I believe like they're change forever. They
aren't they shave them down? I think the bad version.
Is when they have really shaved too much and it becomes like a little spice and you look like a little baby teeth, I think the good version is they just take a layer of the enamel off and then they basically glue a fake tooth front onto your thing and it looks awful decade. And then you got get them switched.
And you have these pearly, we look awfully easy, they look like Barney teeth member, Barney that big puppet or the like, it was just like one strip of white.
Yeah, I think the good version because I was like, again, I went down the rabbit hole, like the good doc. Makes them look like they're your
The magistrate, the generic thing but I said I really like in LA. I was like kind of enamored by this veneers thing I go. Okay, I figured it out. There's only two types of people in the world, people who have veneers and people who need veneers. It's like once you see people who don't have veneers,
Almost everyone's teeth are pretty, pretty nasty. Like, most people's teeth are kind of yellow, kind of misshapen, whatever. The people generally don't have great teeth and the people who do have veneers. So there's only two types of people in life. This is now my belief people who have veneers of people who need them, I'm currently in the people who need them category and maybe who knows, I'll go Doom. But for some reason tell me this
plastic surgery
like I don't think you or I would ever be like you know what, just wish my eyebrow is a little high.
Higher up or
whatever, you know. Like, dude, I wish my I'm not owes was a little different. The cool thing about being a man is like, older men can be like pretty Smokin to women, you know, like George Clooney is like a fine wine, you know what I mean? Like, people still, like them. Brad Pitt still looks smoking. My wife's been trying to convince me that like botox for women is. Okay, because she'll talk about like, botox and Mike. No F that just age. You look beautiful. Like, it's cold at that. We're going to age together. Then I met a couple people who get BOTOX and like, it's not that big a deal. So maybe
My opinion is changing on Botox. But in general, I would say plastic surgery. I'm like let it be let stage together and we're gonna look awesome. So, I'm generally pretty against that. Be to
totally was in that camp as I met more people. I'm like, it's way more prevalent than I realized because I'm in a dude Tech bubble. So it's way more prevalent than I realized and secondly, there's some things like I kind of get the teeth thing as I was like, there's there's grades to it, right? It's like,
Well, you do get a haircut, do you know? Maybe I'll shave your beard. All right, my by nicer clothes. Okay. That's that's the thing. Like, you know what? If you just like, you know, get the get like a facial treatment maybe that makes you skin looks a little better. Okay, it's like a kind of like a almost like a slippery slope of the beauty thing and like yeah, but what did you see there like fake asses and fake boobs or stuff on men? Everything, dude. Everything saw everything, man with botox. Yeah, fake, everything. Everybody's nose had was everybody had the same nose?
That was insane, the power of veneers like, ask this love to probably it's a pleasure to make you laugh because I like seeing that smile.
No, don't fall down this trap, do not do it, man.
Do not do so. I might show up too. Well, he's podcast with videos and a nose job. Who knows? We'll
see what about the thing and
or like, I don't know if I told you this, I have a like, a deviated septum. I went to ENT person. I was like, yeah, never been able to breathe through my nose very well. And they're like, yeah, because you have like,
Like a super screwed up thing. Like it's like horrible and he's like, you should get that fixed. I was like okay cool. I was like, does that change her mind and they're
like, what looks? Well, yeah, they're like while we're there
was a big. He's I use, it doesn't have to change how it looks but like we're doing the surgery anyways. It's very easy to like you know just shape it and I was like what does that make me lame? And he's like, that's a personal question like I said if I did that what I have to tell my boys I got a nose job.
Like tochter a my
kids like 60 opinion here on this. Thank you can't. Just hit me with the Met. If I need the medical de personal de social, like, any all the opinion, it's gonna diagnose you as being a dude, he's like,
all right, maybe last one. But what about the rich guy? Who did you meet with someone who donated, hundreds of millions of dollars? So, high school. Yeah, so rich people do really stupid things is the name.
Of my of this topic which is actually they do misguided things to help their kids. So I met multiple people who had donated somewhere between single-digit, Millions to double-digit Millions, one person said 100 million plus well I don't believe it because we're I'll even do a heist, won't go to high school. I'll give you one, I'll give you one Fame. Where would even 10 million? Go to, are you unwell public example, which is that, you know, that forty, two brothers, the guys who own the UFC before they sold it, the guys who own casinos in Vegas.
They their kids like to play football as many kids do, but unlike many football parents, these guys decided that their the high school, their alma mater needed a like a division. One college level, football facility and donated tens of millions of dollars. They haven't said the exact number, but you can kind of triangulate it because they later donated like 10 or 15 million bucks to a college and it's less than what they gave their
High.
Cool for their football fun like us,
and it's like, basically, they gave at least 20 million dollars to a high school to build a better football facility. So, their kids would have a better shot at becoming a better football player. And I was like, this is such a misguided way, such a like inefficient way to help your kids. And I've met many people like this. I know people who are wealthy beyond measure and I asked him, what? Why are you still working like so many hours? What are you doing? Why are you taking all this risk? Like, okay, like my dad when I wanted to be an entrepreneur?
Said you're never going to do it and he refused to give me any money to start start. So I struggled so hard at the beginning when my kids turn 18 I'm going to give them each 20 million dollars and say like you know, I will support you in building any business, you want with
that, you know, someone who said
that their literal plan like and they're saying it bragging to me again crazy brag. How old are their kids to me? Their kids are currently their oldest maybe 10 years old and their youngest is four. So if for
It's that's 80 million dollar, you know, allowance. But they're gonna either creating trust, the trust funds entertaining, creative at the kids, to start these businesses. And I told her I was like, well, you know that like because you didn't have the resources, you developed all these skills, which is what made you successful in business like you weren't if you were handed 20 million dollars. I don't think you would actually be who you are today. So I, I love that you tried to help your kids, but I just don't think what you're doing, which is working super hard.
Their kids being so busy, being busy that you're kind of away from them making all this money that you plan to hand them at 18. Like this sounds like a recipe for disaster. But, you know, people it's a horrible up date. Rape drug at a cellular. I don't think that message was was received very well. But, you know, I just found that people do crazy things in the name of like their kids and money. No, I think that. That's crazy. I think that's exactly how you create like love it. A feature, heroin addict, a couple other ones, I think are good, talk to an investor friend. So, I have a
Who was a VC at one of the big VC firms. He's left, he left and start doing his own thing. But he has a style and a strategy, I think is very different than most people. I find it very fascinating. So, if I asked you, I said what's, what is? Like draw me like a picture of the typical Silicon Valley VC, like, can you just describe some things about them? Like, you know what, what are they like? What are they doing? You know, like the, the average VC. Let's say, average, we see at all. Looking white guy who wears a sweater.
And brown shoes or shoes that have white Souls like white bottoms and they basically meet tons and tons of people of tons of coffee meetings. Yeah, tons of coffee meetings. Lots of introductions from other people who come from really amazing universities and they'll pass on most of them. But then they'll invest like 50 to 100 companies, smallish checks and then never hear from they don't really talk to the founder. Often unless things are going really bad and they bitch out exactly.
They say they're going to be value-add they invest in dozens maybe 40 50 companies over their lifespan of like a couple years. They're taking tons of coffee meetings, her super agreeable, the only kind of smile and say nice things to your face. Typically they cast a wide net there. They love going to meet Mark that networking event will say that like we're a Founders first come from under first were founded friendly. We invest in world-changing ideas. Yeah. All of them. All of them only invest in the best somehow
every single PC, only invest in the best, they
they do all those things.
This is an investor friend that has a Twitter egg profile picture.
They go to know networking events that are like, VC, run and and or like kind of gender. Generic founder events. They do go to random events that are like, oh, I'm going to this biohacker meet up in Downtown Oakland, where people are going to like, shoot themselves up with DNA. It's like, okay, I'll go to that. Like, they go to those types of events. They have a strategy, which is basically here's what he told me. He goes every year. One company becomes like, kind of the center of the universe.
And my job is to have invest in that company. Three years ago.
And I go. Wow, okay. I like I guess what do you mean examples? He goes. Well like you know back when we met I met this person in 2012 or 2013, they were like a stripe was actually the center of the universe at that time. Stripe was the company that like was the clear break out recently. He's like most recent ones last year would have been open a I so open and I before kind of like are like kind of early chat CBT or before releasing 243. Right now I go run out. Who is it right now? He goes I was
Vic Olympic is the center of the u.s. right now. And I was like, oh, interesting, so not just like tech companies. One night. Last time I talked to this person was maybe three years ago in Earnest and I was like, so what are you up to nowadays and generic. Usually, the answer is like a little bit of this, a little of that. This person said, I quit my job and I am just hunting down a way to own a piece of only fans. I go what the porn thing and he's like, yeah, only fans. I think it's going to be massive. I think it's, you know, it's one of these
It's the center of the universe right now and
people are just going to be the center of the universe. People don't
realize it. I think it's got to be one of the think. It's gonna be the one of this, like this year, kind of cohort. This is gonna be the company that matters. So my only mission is to add so much value to the owner of only fans that I can invest in it, or own a piece of it somehow.
And if I don't, whatever, at least I was helping
that rocket ship go and, you know, previously might have been SpaceX or Tesla was like, you know, those that come from the company and
Bitcoin etherium, like those are like some of the other ones I had their there, they own that, that year, there was no more valuable company that was like creating more value that would then in the future, be realized. And I just thought it was awesome. I thought it was an amazing. I was I'm just so happy that this person is a friend that like think so differently operates so differently than the the average person that has. He been successful has been successful and he told me as
Like I go. So what's the strategy here? He goes? Oh, I'm trying to make all the best investments I can. So I can make the worst investment in my life and by this like soccer club in Europe that I grew up loving. He's like, I'm trying to make the best investment ever so that I can make the one worst investment ever and does he use other people's money in the past? He did? I think now he's doing a lot of zone or he'll raise SPV. He's like, I was like, oh, you invest in this company. Cool. What? What? What, how much do you invest? Because a hundred million dollars I go 100 miles ago?
And I was like, yeah I raise a hundred million dollars SP because I believe in this company and I'm a you just it puts your own conviction and ambition and check your like so what's the company I believe most and how much have I plowed into that and why is that number not 100 million? Great like you can only self-check when you hear stuff like this and a good way. It's a frame breaker. I said where do you thunder million goes from 1 LP. I convince one person and there they were actually already convinced actually that person was kind of already convinced.
Just that this is a good company. I busted my ass to get the ability to put a hundred million dollar check in and they put the money in. What did you put on a million dollars in it? Can you say I can't say, has it worked? I don't again. It's your bake these things 34 years ahead and I will find out like did that company was at the right place to concentrate like a laser beam of conviction. So I loved that conversation and meeting that person so that was one that I think is great.
Let me give you one more that I think is oh, here's a quick one neighborhoods, not City's your I think a great person to talk about this because you've been traveling around trying to find cool places to live.
You don't pick at the city level you pick at the neighborhood level. It's actually. What is the best neighborhood to be in? Not, what is the best city to live in? And it's thousands really obvious understands me. Once you go to a place like LA or you've done this in New York or Brooklyn
or and it's really hard to do that. By the way, like the idea that like, let's say that you're a normal person, your home is likely going to be the biggest purchase of your entire life and it will unfortunately be the for most people will be the largest portion of their net worth and it's pretty insane.
Pain that you make that decision, a 20 or 30 year decision off one. Maybe two one-hour visit right? Like in like for a open house. It's insane. It's you did this I think way back to the day I think you created one of these for San Francisco. I think it was the The Roommate infographic for neighborhoods in San Francisco. It's like, if you live in this neighborhood, here's who your roommates going to be like, which is so brilliant because it's a about neighborhoods and be
It's about people because people is also. What makes your experience when you're in a, in a city? It's not the, it's not the environment.
Yeah. Basically, 2014, we had this app and in order to make it popular, we launched in five cities. San Francisco, Boston Manhattan, LA and Chicago, I believe. And what we did was we're like all right in order to make things go viral, we have to name as many names of local restaurants and local people that we can think of. Because those people will shared, we name like 50 of them in each one.
One that's 50 people sharing in that City. That's How we'll get, That's How we'll get popular. And so, we created this thing called the stereotypical roommates of Los Angeles, stereotypical, roommates of San Francisco and if you Google, and we could find them and we just made like an infographic that made fun of each neighborhood and all the brands and places that they shopped at. And that way you could like figure out what restaurants are like that neighborhood but those restaurants and the people in those neighborhoods would share. And here's the thing at that period. I don't think I'd never been to New York. I had never been to Boston. We just looked at yell. We just went to Yelp and look at where the
Most popular things and we found the jokes that people were making about it. And then that's how we made the infographic and it went like crazy. I think we got tens and many many tens of thousands of downloads for the app. And the first
day I saw that before I ever met you, I read that thing. When I moved to San Francisco, somebody shared it because it was so funny. And like, kind of like, oh, that's funny because it's true, like it was actually useful to because it was like, yeah, it's a little bit stereotyping generalizing, but he was, it was
true for the most part. So I thought that was so so
good and I kind of wish somebody that for every city now, like
exactly whenever I go, and look at it,
Ooh, neighborhoods, I try always go to a bar and I say, what's the stereotype of this neighborhood? And I'll ask the bartender or whatever. I'm like, tell me the stereotypes and they'll be like, oh, a lot of gay, people are moving in and I'm like, alright, up-and-coming got it. That's what that means. Like, gentrifying or like, oh like, what's the stereotype of this neighborhood, tons of strollers. So I'm like, all right, rich young families. All right, got it, what else? You know what I mean? Like, there's all these like things. Yeah, there's like, toads. It's like that's, it's like, you know, if you're in the government, psycho u-238 333, that's a government code. That means X.
This is the same thing. It's like when somebody says, critically acclaimed cool code for not profitable. Thank you moving. Yeah, or boring
for the everyday man. Got it. Okay. Yeah,
I got a couple other quick ones for you
rattle off. One more,
I'll give you a networking hack. So Tim first back in the day, this blog post called, how to build a world-class Network and record time or something like that. I love that. I remember reading that and like
Kind of like getting inspired by that. So I don't even know this but business partner Ben. I think it's the greatest networker in the world actually, I have now come to realize this, I had no idea. I had no idea what was going on until recently. I've now learned this, he is working the phones and he is just like, it's so funny to good. What he does is he just checked in on people like just this morning. He texted my friend from college that I had introduced him to once as my one of my best friends from college that were helping by a
He goes, yo, yo. I remember you said that the close date was supposed to be 731. Did it end up closing? I was like bro howdy oh my God member to check in like he's the he's the perfect boyfriend. Basically, he's just fucking checking in and supporting everybody like barshop. You can probably attest to this and I and all of art, we work together. I probably text you. I don't know, a couple times a year Max and it's usually about something that's like urgent sort of transactional can.
I'm just guessing that you talked to Ben fairly often if you just describe this for a second because I think there's something to learn how to this whole thing.
Yeah, I can pull up my text. He probably hates me up like two or three times a week. Like, how's The X Project going or house the house X going? Yeah, he's a beast.
So I noticed this because I would meet people and then somehow afterwards, they're only keeping in touch with bad. I'm like, dude, - unlikable. I was like, and I think there's something to I definitely give off some some stink. That's like, you know,
Repels people, but Ben has the opposite effect on people. He draws them
in is like a Golden Retriever and he's always
smiling. He's as harmless and people people like him and he's helpful. He's just supportive and helpful to everybody. And so he's like, he knows. Here's what he's figured out. He's figured out that most people just nobody checks in with him. So he checks in on house that that your mission in life. How is that going?
Does he do it on his cell phone or on the
computer on his phone? Then they reply with like a long-ass update and I'm like you're basically just
Saying Sup? And then the sup is generating this like highly interesting response and then what he does is he's just like connect dots will be like, oh, you should talk to that guy. Like, oh you you really like this TV show? We just met the writer, you should meet him and he'll just connect dots and like he's just a dock connector and the people are like, oh, that was helpful or like once he knows you're trying to do X like let's say, he knows
Sam, you're trying to
do some body fat thing. He'll then just start sending Tweets just a little
Looks
like he doesn't really have
to it and he's also what's it called? Like in fatigue able like you can ignore like, you probably ignored the last four. Then he sent don't matter, no hard feelings, gonna keep them coming and I'm like, wow, this is just a recipe. So this kind of led me to this understanding of. Okay, Ben is world class at this. Fantastic. But in general Ben's kind of like my wingman, he's like my number two and everybody's got like a number two at some it's once you get to a certain level, you get a
A number two. And actually the number two guy network is the most under tapped resource. So why are we meeting these NBA players? Because we're friends with the number two of an NBA player. And it's like, and yes, what nobody knows that guy, everybody wants to get to the NBA player. Nobody even knows this guy's name, but he's got all the access. He's got a 98 percent of the access to the NBA guy has but he's got two percent of the like the busyness and
which we did with with hubermanns guy. God, I'm blanking on his
Name, what was his name? Rob. Rob Moore. Yeah, I went out to hung out with that guy in LA and he was like he runs the humor Big Show hubermanns the face, but this guy's got all the keys. He's like, oh yeah, we interviewed. This person is this person if you ever want to talk, let me know the
keys to the kingdom. And generally, these people are nicer, less busy. They're the ones who actually do a lot of the fucking work. So they're actually more interesting people. They also were kind of like, the gatekeeper, like, they decide who gets and who gets out what opportunities coming.
He gets out and their head up way less their head up way last so they're way more available and they're very helpful that they know a bunch of other people. And so I'm like oh shit. The number two guy Network, I don't know what I'm going to do with this but I've had the Insight now and I'm like I actually get along better with the number two guys but for all those reasons I just mentioned and I just think that this is like an under tap resource and I get why everybody hits up been now? Because he's the number two guy in some people have figured out this Arbitrage that you should hit up the number two guy.
Because he's, you know, nicer smarter better faster more accessible, all the things. And so this was just a realization for me, on the network inside. One of the one of the few like big unlocks. I think that I've had
before we wrap up. Did you what was this thing about fucked up? Is that someone you met with in La?
I didn't meet them but I heard I met somebody who told me their story and I was blown away. Had you ever heard of bucked up?
Know what is it? So Buck does him so hunting thing. Isn't that astounding thing
now? Okay let me
Don't you? Look it up. Let me just tell you the story. So starts basically, in the tooth in the early 2000s. There's these two guys, two twin brothers, I think, and they just do affiliate marketing, so they're like affiliate marketing. They're like, hey, it's 2001. Google is not that competitive we can basically say, oh, you want leads for your lawyer practice. Cool. What you gonna pay us will get you leads for that. You want to leads for your apartment. Thing will get you that you want leads for this. The supplement will get you that. So and at that time,
Those guys killed it. Those guys are killing it. Killing it
by 2010. So they've been doing. They do this for about 10 years, they're making money by 2010. They're generating 25 million a year in Revenue with only three employees that yes, are basically pulling in like 20 million a year of profit
as my if they're if they're if they're cbc's or lower the cost per clicks below which bet back then they were maybe I'm super
greasy. I thought it was a be pretty low. Then maybe I'm super aggressive. Let's say, it's 8 to 10 million of profit. I think it's a very,
yeah, a ton,
which is just amazing.
You people doing this. So, this was like, you know, what they're doing,
my partner, my partner, Joe, by the way, Joe spies are my partner in Hampton, he started this, and when he was 25, he sold the business, it was called epic advertising. He was the affiliate marketer, he sold a portion of the business for 250 million
dollars. That's amazing.
It was all this affiliate marketing stuff
and so these guys, they're doing the affiliate marketing thing and a guy comes to them and says, this is now like a decade later, right? And it comes down and says, hey, I have this supplement called
L-Arginine and the brand called L-Arginine plus. And he's like, I don't know what L-Arginine does, but like it's
like a vitamin. I think it helps make you sleep. Or does it give you energy? I think it gives you
energy or does it have your brain function? Better? Who the hell knows? I
don't know. It's one of those. I think you're supposed to drink it with caffeine and it gives you energy, I think. Yeah. Maybe like right now, it's just some generic fucking stop is the one but back then it was Arginine, was the one. And so, yeah, whatever guy goes, I saw you bowls and shit with all those. It's all different.
Highbury or whatever the fuck that thing is. It's all a different thing every time. What's that shit called was that Brazilian shit called a chi. I ain't no a cab berries. It's like whenever I see the word, I don't know but it's all right. What's that konoba quinoa? No no, you know? But Queen. Wha yeah. It's like what you call you ever used to call. I used to think that look like Quentin was
Laquita, you know, I'm talking about
the queen ahead. I don't know. Is what is the thing you said you say it? How do you say it now? Because I think it's also completely wrong. What's it called? Like winter?
What's to be
called? I think it's Keen time but I don't know. I don't like we do so. So guy approached them says, hey I'm making $250 a day on this large. Anything will you guys be my affiliate marketers quickly in three weeks, they ramped it up. It's
Now making like over three thousand dollars a day, okay? That's pretty good. Three thousand dollars a day that's 100K month, they owned 50% of this thing and they buy L-Arginine.com to get an exact match their ranking number one, that's doing pretty well then he reads this article, so he's interested in this supplement game. He reads this article that Major League Baseball, just banned deer, antler spray. Never heard of it. What the hell's deer antler spray? Looks it up. Finds that deer antler has hit some extract that supposed to
Help you with recovery. It must be if it's so good that the MLB bands at that means shit must be fire. Like there's a lot of heat so he he takes he has the right. What does that Chris Farley? Think, did you relearn the right lesson? He learned the right lesson from that news, which was this shit. Must be fire and every athletes going to want it. So he buys deer antler spray.com for eight dollars and he's he owns the domain. He's the number one ranked and it goes okay at first not now.
Huge demand. He's kind of he's there and then I don't know if you remember this. But one year before, the
Super Bowl,
Ray Lewis was the the kill the guy? No, he killed. The guy, I think the year before, but during the playoff run, he gets hurt. Got it. And there's a two-week. Get there's like there's like an extra week rest between like the Super Bowl and the playoffs. Whatever I think The Story Goes, Ray Lewis is hurt, but he's got to play in the Super Bowl and then he plays amazing and they win the Super Bowl and he's and it comes out that he used deer antler spray.
Recover during that week until I get rid of the pain and allow them to play. Well,
Demand explodes through the roof baby, and G, and C comes to him and says, hey, we'd like dirty units. He's like, okay cool, no problem. And I don't know. Sorry, 30,000 units. And he's like, oh what? They're sold out everywhere soon as they, they get all this influx of demand there trying to keep up. So, for one or two years, they're just keeping up with the new demand, and being the number one player in this deer antler. Spray thing.
But as they go they're like okay we're kind of limited such a very Niche. What if we expand this to something a little bit bigger so they changed the name from deer antler spray to bucked up. They kind of stay with a deer. Oh my God, the changed to bucked up because one of the GNC franchisees who they were chillin with goes, yeah, you know what sells really well? But like, you know, look, it doesn't look that good. Is these pre-workout supplements? So basically the powder you take before you workout that remember Noe explode? Yeah, no xplode dude.
The big was acid that would that would you can remove paint with that thing. I used to take that shit and you would lift so much weight but it would make you feel miserable after I don't even know what was in it. Yeah you felt your heart was going to explode. It's just been called like you know artery explode and like you know want to attend people die of this thing, the crazy but like that category of pre-workout, supplements, turns out is a very big category. So fucked up today they say is the number one pre-workout supplement.
This thing does guess how much revenue this does?
I have no idea, 10,
250 million a year. Apparently.
Bucked up does, dude, the flavors. So it's called mother bucker. That's one of the things, the mother Bucker, and it just has like their slogan should be like, strong as an ox. Like this is like ridiculous pappu, Focus strength energy, the mother of all pre workouts mother bucker that's crazy to me, this is nuts. You know, sometimes
When I'm flipping the channels on TV, I'll see you like, you know, Hudson manhaj, and he's just like, you know, this guy who's comedian. He makes the world laughs, he's so good-looking, he's happy. He's having all the success. And I think, you know, I was maybe one or two, you know by turns away from from going down that path. Would you see bucked up? Do you think this? Because I feel like you were one or two, right? Turns away from being the Creator owner and sole proprietor of bucked out of that car.
Selling her mother bucker pre-workout powders to people on the internet.
Yeah, maybe maybe I mean, I don't know. I like
thousand square foot factory in Missouri and just like, you know, have a soul patch as Hugh. Yeah, Fleur tattoo on your back and sulfur,
dude. Let's add the flavors are woke AF. Another one is the Banff Heist. The other one is the band's High stimulation. Another one is the lfg
A workout. Let's fucking go. Another one is called rut, this is hilarious. These are all like really good names of like really mean dogs. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna have like, a really like a, my junkyard dog named Buck. Get them box that's like with this stuff is, you know, or like rut?
Yeah, like this is crazy, this is deer
antler. Are you from? This
is from that to this is kind of an insane, insane story. And yeah I did and I still
It.
Yeah, they're doing really well right now. Apparently, I mean I have not I'm talking to what I know this from one guy and then what you Google about them. But like apparently just crushing it.
Oh my God, I have no idea what's in this stuff? I would like, I mean, this might be a legit performance-enhancing drug. Is it still illegal for the ml? Because maybe I will order it exactly like haha. That's so insane. You know, as you check out well, people talk about performance enhancing drugs. Like it's a
Bad thing, but I'm like, I would love my performance to be enhanced if you know what I mean. Like made a problem with my performance that it's unenhanced right now. How do I enhance my performance? I really wanted to be enhanced. I preferred to be enhanced when unenhanced. So, like, give me the PE D. So I'm like in favor of some Peds. Not not if it means you break the rule. But lobbied up, man, talked about this. Did you see that thing? The enhanced games that somebody was creating
Was that the, was that just the different sports, but for steroid users, it's basically like, it's like, you know, I feel like every College, bro, had this like conversation in their dorm rooms, like they should just do the Olympics, but with the drugs like you could take anything and see what happens. Like I want to see somebody run like with to Second 100 meter dash and it's like these guys created it. It's called The enhanced games and it's happening. And I don't know if you've came out and it almost
Like like satire like it wasn't happening. So if you go to its enhanced.com it's got a better
version of the Olympics. Yeah, exactly. That's a great. That's a great. We're basically Air B&B but better performance from and I can't find their website website. Right now the websites down, but enhanced games is a plan international sports event with the athletes. Will not be subjected to drug testing. It's meant to take
Place in December of 2000 24. So the guy are on D'Souza. Is the same guy that Peter teal funded to take down. Gawker, by the way.
Okay. Sign me up perfect. You know, best LinkedIn ever. So here he is. How he does it. He says, athletes are adults. They have the right to do with the body as they wish my body, my choice, your body, your choice, and no government should be. Making these decisions for athletes, particularly those around the FDA. Yeah, so here's what he said, he goes, here's the game plan, he goes up every athlete who participates is going to be a part owner in the thing because you're, you're generating
Ting, you know, part of the opportunity. I assume that if you were an Olympian you want to Gold Medal, your life is made. It's not the case, it's sad to see people have achieved the highest level of Human Excellence are living living and objectively impoverished existence afterwards.
But, you know, the bureaucrats, who own these things. Make millions, we took the Olympics has 13-thousand athletes. We're reducing that to maybe a thousand with no special infrastructure. So instead of crossing a hundred billion to deliver this, it'll cost us you know, double-digit millions
and
yeah, they have like a bunch of things. You know, here's the kind of like their their belief system. So it says the enhanced games will be a competitor to the corrupt and dysfunctional Olympic Games. The first International, it will be the first international sports event without
Ugh. Testing Olympics about the past, it's about Greek gods from history. The enhance games about the future we're building superheroes, and it talks about how the ioc is corrupt. Like, they committee that runs the Olympics and that, you know, anti-aging gets stymied, because of all the anti-science, like, you know, authorities trying to, like, take drugs out of out of performance and we're trying to do the Opposites, my body, my choice.
He says thinking but think back 50 years ago, being a gay man was like being an enhanced man. Today it's stigmatized marginalized and illegal in some senses. Don't know about that. Yeah. And then I don't know if it's actually going to happen or not. This is seemed symbol that website doesn't work. So like will see, they can't afford their, GoDaddy renewal for the domain. But no, I think I'm, I think I'm cool with that. My a big, I mean, besides Lance Armstrong County used to be my hero and then
He like got trouble for lying and I kind of like got upset about that but besides that whole lying thing I was like they're all doing it and he's doing it as well and he still won so like it's kind of fair. So I so I do get that I'm kind of on board with that and I think a lot of the Peds are pretty amazing. Like you know what EPO is it makes you get more rub blood cells in your blood like Terry but endurance basically? Yeah, yeah, better endurance and I hear about that stuff and I'm like, that sounds great. Give me more of that. I
At that, you know what I mean? Like, then there's some anabolic steroids that, you know, you'll die young. There was this, which I don't like, but there's this one. Have you seen the guy on Instagram? He was only 30, but he think his name was Joe. I forget what it's like handle was. It was like Jo like all ripped or something and he was the guy who you would see flexing and he was so lean and big that you would see. It looked like a little spiders and his chest because all the little muscles were like, flexing. I think it's called his name was like, Joe Flex. Have you seen that guy? No, well, he died like last week.
He died like oh, that was that guy? Okay. Yeah. I've seen he died last week because he definitely was on the Jews and he was just, it's really hard to be that lean for that long. So you have to be on a ton of stuff and he died. And so, like, I'm not in favor of that type of stuff. But some of the other performance-enhancing drugs, like, I actually think that you could you, you'd be a healthier longer living, human being, if you took some of that stuff,
We're like blood doping. So like in the 60s this Runner and Finland name blasts a veteran. He would like go up in the mountains and no one would see him when he was training and what they allege that he did with blood doping, you could just take out some of your blood and you could put it in a refrigerator and that gives that oxidizes. It gives it a little our it gives you more red blood cells ultimately and you just inject it back in your body that's considered illegal. That's crazy to me, it's not illegal, it's against it's against rules for the Olympics. But that's insane that blood doping like that is illegal. It's like well, dude.
It's just your blood, your just freezing it, and put it back in you, things like that, you can't do. But I've thought about that, I think it'd be amazing. There was a guy in Netflix who did it, where he was an amateur cyclists and he was like, I'm gonna blood dope. And I'm going to document this and this was the whole documentary and it was awesome. He crushed it, he killed it. He like improved so much. And I thought that's pretty cool. I think this actually would be a good YouTube or podcast Channel. I've ever gone on YouTube down a rabbit. Hold of college ethics classes. Have you received the Holy
No sounds boring as hell but it's actually kind of interesting. It's not very interesting because it's not made for YouTube, but basically if you go like, you can basically sit in on a Stanford or Harvard ethics class. Will the pose some questions, like, should you be allowed to or poor performance enhancing drug? Should they be allowed in the Olympics, or whatever? Like, some philosophical question, like the version of the trolley thing? Where it's like, if you could save five lives and pull the trolley and kill one? Would you do it right like that? Those kind of like moral and
Ethical, like thought experiment questions. And you see people just stand up in a college lecture hall? No, like I say no. Because bottle lot. And somebody says, I disagree, I would say yes because I think that what about blah, blah, blah, and you just see the debate. I think debate is actually like pretty interesting. I think if somebody did that well you could do a kind of like NPR style or gimlet style like intelligent but entertaining podcast series for YouTube channel that like just gets like
Find these things like the equivalent of like somebody. I was one of these dinners in. L.a. somebody goes, I had jury duty. And the case that I had jury duty for was actually kind of interesting, this guy, this guy goes online and he's in this online Forum our community for like kind of like kinky meetups okay, nothing illegal about that and
There's a woman there who says hey me and my husband really want to do a thing. It's, you know, here's our things kind of weird, but like, we want somebody to come over and we want to role play like a kind of like a rape scenario and she's like so you know, I'm looking for somebody wants to do that. This guy's like that's fun. I could do that and she's like cool. So here's what's gonna happen. You're going to come over this place. I'm going to act surprised, I'm gonna say no.
That's part of the bit. We're gonna do it anyways and, you know, we're all good
with it because that up, was it like a different woman?
No, the guy playing is bad. So the husband was on this form as acting as if he was the woman saying, that's all. I mean, in on it, she was his wife. I
know. So, oh
no, now this guy's. So the jury duty was should this guy be go to jail for rape?
What a horrible scenario for everyone
involved?
Those losers, right? Like just, oh,
man,
but it's kind of like it interesting questions like well, like
on one hand, what a conniving husband.
Yeah, it was like, okay, definitely the husband should be in trouble. Like that's kind of a separate area, but this guy, like, should he go to jail for like 20 years? Because of this scenario, we're not like and that the vote was basically, like, should this go to church, is like an indictment. So it's like, should he go to should this, go to trial or no? Should this not be not go to trial or whatever?
And we had this as like fascinating dinner conversation about it. Hearing everybody's kind of picnic hearing like a little bit of a healthy kind of debate or just like a perspective on it. Similarly there was another one that was like, you know, this couple looks like they're holding drugs like crack or whatever. Cop starts chasing after them, they throw something away in the trash cop, cop, grabs them, they don't have it on them. He's like, I saw you dump it in the trash, they heal piece of trash.
Is it there? But who's to say they didn't throw something else away, right? Should they go to jail for this like this offense and it's like, well on what? If you're the jury like kind of do things? Like they probably did it but you don't have like uncontroversial or whatever like evidence that like leaves no, shadow of a doubt that they, that they did it. And it's like kind of a non-violent offense, do we really want to punish them your shop? Bring your own subjective opinion into this versus what you're supposed to. Remember,
So anyways, I just the conversation was so interesting that I thought, I think this could make for an interesting pod or YouTube channel. To what do you think you have a good sense for Content? What do you
think what Andrew did? I think? I think that would be great. I think I would, I think you could do a YouTube channel, a 10 minute, 10 minute videos, where you could dissect, some of these interesting things. I just have one, take it, take a side of the debate and the people live vote. I think, wasn't there an app that was trying to do this? Where was like live debates and you vote on who's the winner? Maybe, I mean, I remember that. Yeah, Heaven 2014. Yeah. I think
We kill it. It's where it's, you know, almost like member, you know, drunk rap battles where it's like Napoleon versus like Caesar. Yeah. Yeah. You do this in that situation. I think like it's a it's an incredibly interesting topic. I mean clearly if you've gotten gotten into it. Yeah, I think for work. Cool.
Alright, that's all I got for my trip to La. Hope actually. I had a bunch more, but I think that's that's enough. Also are one even though this place.
Yeah, I went there before and I wanted to buy the most expensive
The bottle of water, they had to see what it was about and it was like 20 or 30 bucks, this fun fun fun experience. How's the water is fine. The, it was normal. But and I also bought like the most expensive I wanted to. I was like whatever. Like the most expensive chocolate is and water. I'm getting it. I think they have like asparagus. They're like asparagus water that's released
is also a layup Tick-Tock Channel. Yeah, Erewhon experiments. Or the Erewhon taste tests. You just go to the
famous people there, though, what's that? That's all you.
Go. Did you see any famous people? That's why you go.
No, I was just looking at the snacks. Is that what I'm supposed to be doing? God, this is like sucking College when I used to go to the bar and, you know, I'm there to listen to the music and I said, I didn't need anybody. Yeah. You're like doing Long Island Iced Tea tasting.
Yeah. You're supposed to go and see famous people. I know it's a fun experience that place kills it. They're expanding. I think aren't they don't have multiple they used to
E1, just a Santa Monica, I think 13 or
something like that. For those who don't know, are one is basically like
The bougie and makes Whole Foods, it makes Whole Foods look like the dollar store.
I feel like you look down at Whole Foods people as
peasants. Yeah, Erewhon is to Whole Foods as aioli is to mayonnaise. It's it's the like just Jazz a person. The cool part about it is it has a lot of products that are like, almost like it's a good deed. It's easy to see pop-up shop. It's like here's a bunch of products that are not the normal things that are on the shelves, so you can try them and they're all three times more expensive than the should be already, five times more. And
I think a layup content thing would be
go to Erewhon, by all the chocolates or by all the chocolates versus the faces are long versus Walmart and you do blind taste tests and you like absolutely to rank them and you just give your recommendation, you spend the money on the stuff and you just do like are one shopping. You're just you become the air one guy like
Dude, if I was broke, again, I'd be back. I'd be back so fast because I just know there's not that many shoes are right. You just see it and you know it like another one is pranks. I hate the pranks dude. Have you seen this guy? Who does the thing that was Jodie or something like that? Like what is this guy's channel? The guy who went to sleep at an NBA and WNBA game to see this? No, no. But I hate the pranks where it's like, people like prank pick a fight with you. And then the
Responds and actually beats them up then the recipient is like it was just a prank bro. So this guy
hadean Judy on JD on a high State. Exactly. I love his video. So he goes, he went to the WNBA All-Star game, he bought for courtside seats chop like, you know, like whatever 25k on these seats and then he came with a blanket and I guess looks like I'm asking all my gosh, what an asshole and he's like, the funny thing is they asked him about it. He was like, do I had the idea? Because I knew this would like
Go viral. Just fall asleep because he's done it before. Like he goes to a fast ball game Courtside and he brought his Barber and they put like the bib on him and he gets a haircut during the game but like if you're just watching TV like is that guy getting a haircut? Like this is like very obvious and so he had this idea, I said I wasn't gonna do it I thought it might be too mean. I told my friend about it I said yeah maybe you want to do it like I was like he's like that guy. Got so excited because he knew this because so viral I was like nah fuck it. I'm gonna do it myself. You think so? I did it. He's like but then it turned into like a political thing. That's not how I intended it like
He got banned from all-nba events, we got half of all, I'm ba + W events for for doing this, but this guy's just so good at trolling the world and it's like that's just like a it's a it's a niche that will never get old. Like you can what an asshole it's just like infinite demand for the second. He also caught one of the NBA balls and try to shoot it from his seat because he was Courtside to. He's so he's so
He's so funny this guy. Alright, I think we should wrap up there. That's the Pod we done. I feel like I can rule the world. I know, I could be what I want to put my all in a day's travel. Never looking back.
