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Hello boys and girls. Ladies and germs, this is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss show words my job to interview people who are the best at what they do or certainly world-class performers. And my guest today is Sydney native. We're going to talk about Sydney Jim Jefferies. Jim is one of the most popular and respected comedians of his generation entertaining audiences including yours truly around the globe with his provocative belief challenging and thought-provoking comedy. I would underscore the thought-provoking. He created and starred in the sitcom legit and the
Very Central late night show the Jim Jeffrey show. Jim was honored as a stand-up comedian of the year at the Just for Laughs Festival in summer 2019 at the end of 2019. He embarked on his new tour oblivious touring all around Europe and North America. He is currently working with NBC on a multi-camera pilot, which he will star in from writer-producer Suzanne Martin Sean Hayes and Todd milliner's hazy Mills and Universal TV his new podcast. I don't know about that debuts on Tuesday, May 5th.
You should check it out and his ninth count them nine. That's incredible stand-up special will be released later this year on Netflix. You can find them on all the socials at Jim Jefferies. That's je FF ER IES and Jim Jeffries.com Jim. Welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me. Tim Tim Ferriss. It's a very good Australian name. I'm sure you get that a lot right? I do I do actually, you know, like guitars from excess you obviously know that
right. That's exactly right. Yeah,
I have
Tim Ferriss story, let's hear it. I was performing at the end more theater in in Sydney and Tim Ferriss came backstage at my gig and I was like a kid from Australia very excited to me the guitars from excess and I think he wrote most of the songs as well, you know, and and when I saw me, he just had like he's fingered falling off like it'd been like I think was a boating accident or something his finger and been ripped off and I was like, wow this
So he goes, yeah, that's the end Enix S. I can't really play guitar anymore because I can't you know play the chords because I don't have this finger anymore. And I went that's a shame and so, you know I said to him I said so turns out your finger was more vital than Michael Hutchence because you know any success I think at three new singers and they kept going but you lose Tim Ferriss his finger and they can't play
anymore. Well, that is the first separate Tim Ferriss anecdote that has ever happened in 400.
Episode so I'm thrilled, you know, I've had that name pop up before you the comparison, but I've never heard an actual story. So
that's he's a very easy very nice, but it was the fairest Brothers. They all went to the there was my school and then there was the school next to us and we had a rivalry with him and our school was like we beat you in rugby and they like we we had in excess and we were like are you in yeah, that's a that's a like the most famous person that come from my school I think is me. Yeah, I don't mean like that.
We haven't got a great track record. So hello to all the people at Saint Ives high in Sydney. That's where I went. But yeah, we had me I think a couple of people who got like Bronze in the Olympics and some relief pitcher for the Angels back in the 90s.
Well, let's talk about Sidney. I have actually spent a fair amount of time there. I am rented an apartment with a friend in woolloomooloo. And
that's that's a bit of money. It's where the Prime Minister lives.
Well, you know, it was it was it was his idea. Although I will tell you the drawback.
And you can probably tell me what these birds are. You have the most beautiful white birds that make the most god-awful sounds
nice. Try and women. Yeah good looking but the accents fucking horrendous. Yeah, you know, I've met them in me die or yeah, I'm enjoying that keep doing it. Oh, yeah that feels good. And I know the worst worst accent for sex in the world as the Australian female, but what bird are you talking about? There's some
protected bird. I want to see me.
Maybe it's a macaw. It's this white bird and as this plume on its head and
it sounds like it's a glass that's a No-No cockatoo cockatoo. How could ya cockatoo gaieties? My father has okay. My father's like why he's like this guy that he's at one with animals for whatever reason and he has this like a veranda he opens up the doors and each day these two rainbow lorikeets come and visit my father and they fly in the window and they just sit on his shoulders now cockatoos look,
A exotic here in America, but they're everywhere in Australia. They're not endangered all they're all my dad thinks they're pests. Right and he goes there's a cockatoo that bothers those two rainbow lorikeets and my father keeps a slingshot and some rocks by the side of his chair and he shoots the cockatoos and they come over and and my friend my American friend who kouhei's my podcast and we forest was there and he goes he goes does it kill him? He goes our know just gives him a bit of a scare, you know over here if it hit one of them in the eye.
Why were you in Sydney for so long? Will you just back packing or
I was there because my one of my best friend's is actually a kiwi was living in Sydney at the time and he invited me to head over and separately the Australian edition of my first book was launching in Sydney and they wanted me to show up for a handful of media gigs in this that and the other thing and so I combined everything together and stayed for two two and a half weeks. It probably only took me to
Two and a half minutes to get my pale scalp annihilated
by your yeah. Those are dying for you son. It's yeah people don't know that there's two holes in the ozone layer and ones over. I think I think the north the North Pole I think or it might be the sir and the other holes over Australia and Australia when you watch like okay, so when you watch the weather here in America, it'll go and the temperature is going to be this the humidity is going to be this and there's some wind's coming in from over here, but you never get the the daily.
UV rating we're in Australia they go and it's a hundred percent UV today and there's like a hundred percent is like normal thing. So it's like it's like you don't even really think about skin cancer that much in America like, you know what happens and you have to be wary of it and if you have a mole you get it checked and I toaster but skin cancer if it's not number one. It's very close to the number one cancer in Australia. And so we had a slogan when I was a kid called slip slop slap and it was slip on a shirt slap on sunscreen and slap on a hat.
And that's how you what you have to do if you want to go outdoors and now the kids today in Australia, if you're at school, they have a policy called. No hat no play. You can't go out of the classroom. If you're not wearing a hat and the hat will have like one of those things down the back so it covers your neck as well. It's a good look.
Well, if you go to Bondi, maybe not Bond, I'm not sure where the best surfing beaches are. But if you go to some of these beaches I was astonished because I saw all the Surfers look like they were getting ready for an Antarctic.
And I mean they had the ear flaps the neck flaps. They had enough zinc on their face to make them look like snowmen.
We always had like fluorescence zinc on our noses is kids in the 80s and now they still just put the white stuff. But that was our you sort of showed how your personality whether you had pink or green or fluo yellow or whatever like that. But it's I like to look at like Bondi Beach and just watch the British people who have never seen Sun just like and you know, they've been there for a week going.
On the layout enjoy yourself there Holt is getting burnt the fuck. That's what I said. We love watching the British get burnt in Australia.
Well, I suppose Bondi if I remember correctly because my friend used to be a lifeguard actually and he was saying you could just sit at a cafe and you could watch I suppose on one hand the Brits just get turned into rotisserie chicken and then you could see tourists from he said in particular from China just get swept out to sea.
See because they were there are no
currents. Yeah mind you when I was a kid that happened to me a few times when you swim out a bit far and then you start drifting off and he like a fuck. I'm going to die. I did the thing where I waved and then like someone has to come out a little boat and come and get you and you're like, sorry about that or I swam a bit far, you know, so I to this day, I don't go far out in the ocean. Yeah.
When did you feel confident in comedy?
As your direction actually before we get to that up, let's bookmark that question. I just want to say something before I forget and not to get all sentimental this early on our first date but I owe you a debt of gratitude because your comedy has helped me get through some really dark periods. And that might sound funny cuz your comedy itself can be dark at points, but putting that aside I've really enjoyed your comedy over the years and it's been not just entertaining but really helpful to me at points. So thank you for
that. Oh no.
No problem. That's very sweet thing of you to
say and so to Comedy in Direction. When did you when did you feel confident that that
was your I wanted to be a comedian from the age of about 13 14, you know, and then I did it two time three times when I was 17 and one time I did it and it went really well and that was The Comedy Store in Sydney and you have to go down there and they put your name in a hat.
They pull your name out and I had five minutes and it was just all about being in school or whatever. I can't remember what I talked about and then they said oh, you're not 18 a and I was like No And they go you have to come back with a parent and so I hadn't told my parents and my parents as well. I hadn't even told him that I went into the city. Like I wasn't allowed to go into the City and I lived out in the suburbs and I told him I went to a mate's house or something so traveled into the City and so so next on me. Dad had to come with
me and I remember it was like bucketing down with rain and I went out there and I got back on and the only other people in the audience because it was raining with the other comedians waiting to go on and there was the the full range of people who are getting good at it people who are never going to get good at it and people who their first go and people have been trying for years. And anyway, I got up I couldn't have had a worse gig I couldn't have died worse than that. And I got in the car with me Dad afterwards and me dad said
Guys are you're a good kid and you got a lot of good qualities, but this isn't for you and I my heart sank and I then I went and did it one more time just to see because that first time went so well and then they did it again and I died again and I went all right, this isn't for me and then I didn't go up again until I was 22. I didn't do it. Yeah, and I waited another three years. I think it was more than that, but I was in college and I used to run my own comedy night and I remember
There was a there was a I was in Perth when I started doing that. So a lot of people think I'm from Perth because of this because I really started in comedy in Perth. But either way, I the way that a lot of people get to Stage time is what you do is you find a venue put your own shows on your book your own Comedians and that way you can MC and you can get better by you know, because I couldn't get gigs. I thought I run my own gig and there was here there was this area in Perth called Claremont and Claremont had a serial killer.
At the time the crime has a clay and the Clement Killa, right? So what happened? I don't think they even caught him. I don't know but I'll maybe they did catch him. I don't know but when I was there there the guy called the Clairemont killer and what happened was with the Clairemont killer all the all the bars that were normally this is a big party area of Perth. They were all no one was going out because all the girls who got killed the last thing that happened for and they left the nightclub and got into a taxi or went looking for
or a taxi and then they were never seen again. So that that nightlife there just died. So there was all these like bars that were just empty and so I went into one like I can I have a gig like that and they were just happy to have anyone in the building and I used to get like 15 people me mates to come along to these shows and it was like a really popular bar. But on a Friday night, I could have a gig there because of the killer so, you know Silver Lining.
So what happen there and when you if we go back to
17 you tried it three times. Maybe this isn't for me what and you are head was plan b or the alternative.
Well, there's a weird thing that sort of I think there's a you know for people who really know about me and it's not many people but there's a bit of a myth about me being an opera singer, which is is vaguely true. Right? What happened was when I was 17. I was in a School Musical
Cool, and then I was doing the right and then someone said I you should get some singing lessons and blah blah blah and so I got some singing lessons with his guy called Richard gill who has since passed and he was one of the main conductors for the Sydney Opera and he he he got me he got me a part in the chorus of vogner's the Flying Dutchman and I had to sing in German. I was like 17 and I just sang. I just I just bought a CD of this this Opera and I just mimicked it, you know, and I
I wasn't that great a singer, but after that I got into wopo which is the West Australian academy of performing arts and I studied musical theater and then I studied Opera in the next year. And so so I was a professional opera singer for a few weeks of my life, but it was never never fall but I think but I did this course it was the same course that Hugh Jackman did and it was like it was a full scholarship ride, and I remember because I didn't have the marks.
He's in school to get into anything. I could damage in University and I don't believe I had the marks to actually get into this course, but they never checked my for my high school certificate and I just went in and did a dance and singing audition and stuff and I always still wanted to be a comic but because I thought the comedy wouldn't work out. I still wanted to be an Entertainer and a performer. So I thought this is another thing I can do and it was all so I think for my mother at that stage that was something that she was far.
Yet to brag about that. I was studying music in a prestigious college or something like that. But on maybe my second year into the course, there was a comedian called Gary who who was like this guy had been on Australian TV. I'm still I still not going to this day is very nice man. And he'd come over to do a gig in Perth and I was his opening act and we had a few drinks after we got along. I think he liked me more as a person than he liked me as a comic but he said he said do you want to come and do these?
These are mining town gigs and I thought I thought I thought that's too good an opportunity. So I quit University and I went out to like places like kalgoorlie and these little gold mining towns and I performed in these bars just to like Australian Cowboys pretty much like guys in cowboy hats that live out in the land and they work in the mines and let's also these towns had so many men working out there and so few women that in the bars in these towns,
The bartender would be a female and they'd ship them in and they'd call them skim peas and a skimpy and she would just be topless now the this wasn't this wasn't a strip bar. This was just a normal but all the bars have topless bartenders in all these little country towns. And the reason for that is if you take away the topless girl behind the bar. It's a gay bar.
It's just it's just men so so they had to go known as we're not gay because they all dressed like Cowboys just on the thing now, we're not gay there's a pair of tits over there. So we're all right, you know and so I did these gigs and I thought and I hadn't told my parents that I quit University. I thought you know, I thought I'd just keep doing this until I can be a full-time comic and then I think it's basically the story line of the movie punch line that Tom Hanks character who said he said,
I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a doctor and then he said he'd tell you parents once he's a professional going but then I just quit you. Any I went back to Sydney to my pants and said I'm going to give stand-up comedy ago. And then I think I moved to England. I moved to England then I know the day I moved in them because I was packing my suitcase and about 10 o'clock at night and I was all excited was gonna be my first time traveling overseas. I've never been I know I tell a lie Ben Tamara
Once when I was 14, but as my first time traveling overseas by myself without family members. Yeah, and I was going on me Big adventure by myself. I was getting on a plane and and I was packing my bags and the Twin Towers fell down and that's when I that's towel. That's how I can remember the date that I left for Britain the next day. Yeah.
Now you living to Britain I had read trying to do homework for this conversation that you'd comment it somewhere that there.
Lots of funny comics in Australia some people funnier than you but you had more ambition than some of them and you ended up going to the UK you ended up then going to us is that is that a misquote? I mean, you can't believe everything you read on the
internet. I think that that's that's true. But it may be more ambition is the wrong way to say it. I think I was in a place in my life where I was young enough and had less connections that I could get up and
Do that, you know that I didn't have a girlfriend. I didn't have kids, you know, and I started pretty early in life it at comedy and a lot of people don't start till you know, they're 30 or their late 20s or whatever like that and then they have Roots, you know, and I didn't have anything holding me back. So there were comics in Australia who were better than me and but I feel like maybe they couldn't get up and go but also also when I say ambition, it's there's a difficult thing with Australian comedy because doing
Work in Australia is very difficult because you don't have the population to sell tickets people watch communist Ray, but they only go out and see the big acts when they come to town. So the comedy clubs for the most part are empty in Melbourne has one Comedy Club Sydney, I think as to Perth has won. This isn't enough to sustain an industry, you know a ground Roots industry anyway, and so everybody's everybody sort of like when you've made in Australia you the breakfast radio guy if you can get that job and that job in Australia pays, really
Really really well, and so everyone is trying to get those jobs. So I think a lot of people who were good Comics maybe had because no one was really full time. Maybe had a good day job. I didn't have a good day job I was earning for I was selling mobile phones during the day when I was a comic in Australia, so I'd fucking wasn't worried about leaving that at all. That was I was I was one of the worst employees a company had ever had and I worked for a place called strathfield car radios.
And I was just if there was a way to get out of working I had found it there was stairwells that I hid under and I did things I did things that seem like they to get out of work that will more work than actually doing work. You know, if I had to sell I had to sell car stereos and mobile phones and it was you know, I still to this day if I was to sell a car stereo, I wouldn't know. I don't know.
How much amplifiers you need to run a subwoofer and I sold them for years and I have no idea. Why is it College? I worked for this guy and I used to just point at things and guess and go there that look at the size of it and go that'd do it. You know, I couldn't I want one time one time. I totaled a guy's white van like just totaled it just in a stereo fitting which is very the what happened was this guy is white van driver.
That you know works and plumber or whatever the fuck he was. Yeah, and he came in and he goes our I want some speakers and a CD player and I was like, all right, and I knew which with a good CD players. We are going like a Sony CD player and I said I this has enough amps in it that you can run some six by nine speakers and I go you just put them in the back here. That's a good-sized speaker a 6x9 and that'll be good. And then and then he goes I can only get it today and the all the filters were full. And so I said
I went down there was a there was a sixteen-year-old Apprentice looking down the and I said mate is an easy job. Just just put the stereo in there. And then I don't know how to fucking do it. I said and you run the wires along this door panel down here and just whack those speakers in the side. They're just into the sidewall and that'll work right now. You're meant to take the panels off cut the holes in put the speakers in put the panel's back on this young fella. Just got the saw out and
You just started cutting and it got a bit stiff. Anyway, he cut out one of the support beams that support I support the support the roof of the car and the the roof of the car just just slanted down, you know about 45 degrees just sunk into the thing and this guy came back to get his car and I just went. Okay. Well the good news is the stereo sounds great and then just were having to I was never felt more terrified in my life.
Then having to walk this bloke down just to show them that we demolished his car in about an hour and a half. So what are we where are we the company had insurance for such occasions? I'm sure I am sure we just bought him a new van. There was no way to fix it. You can't put a new support. It's not a panel beating job. We basically cut the roof off his car, you know, so I assume he got a new van out of it. So he probably did pretty good. You know, there was there was a couple of things.
That I saw I saw a bloke get knocked out changing over. I saw a guy they the new BMWs in the European cars have different colored wires and stuff like that. And he was trying to test the fucking the the land and the positive and the negative and the Earth and all that type of stuff. He's got his test out. He's laying in the front seat of the car and he touched the wrong wire and was the wife of the airbag and the airbag exploded into his head and he was knocked out and there was just fucking white dust in her bag.
Anyway, I look I'm not saying anything. It's too bad that company's gone bust now, they don't exist anymore. So they can't get angry at me for say anything probably because of fucking me.
How did you make the decision to go to the UK? Why do you care as opposed to somewhere else? Is that is that a wow usual that lily pad for a lot of promising
first? Really? Well, the UK has more comedy clubs per capita than anywhere in the world far beating America and
So it's just a great place to do comedy because it's so Compact and you know, I remember I before I moved here to America used to bitch and moan about I got to drive to Manchester 200 mile drive. Yeah, he and I used to like I've better get a hotel room and stay the night and I don't know so in America, I'm on planes and flying and dry, you know, there's an old saying that that Americans think a hundred years is old and British people think a hundred miles is far right and I think
That's sort of sums it up, right and and but also if you're under 27, and you're from the Commonwealth and the people from Canada can do this as well you can get and I think it's one year now, but back then you can get it to you work visa where you're allowed to go out and work now, you're only meant to do menial jobs. You meant to be bartenders and whatever you're not allowed to further your career, you know, so if you walk in any bar in London, it's filled with Australian and New Zealand.
CIA and so I had to do comedy on the slide cash in hand until till one of the management companies would give me a work permit, but I never became a British citizen or anything. I stayed there for 10 years and my visas would only ever lasts until my gigs ran out. No one booked you more than three months in advance. So every three months I went into a panic like, alright, I guess it's all over now. This is the end of the career you're going back to Australia and then I got another one and then I got another one and I just kept on
saying I had a girlfriend there for a bit that I thought I'd marry and thank fuck that didn't work out. You know, I look back on it now, but she's nice enough girl, but that never happened and I just kept going and so what would happen is in there was very few American comics in Britain. I feel like it's different. Now. I feel like the world in of comedies a lot more close. It was it was much more segregated where everyone was you know, but all the Canadians and Australians and new zealanders
Is all hung out together and we all lived in these houses with like eight Comics. It was good. It was probably I would argue the happiest time in my life. I think that would be the happy and I was broke as fuck but you know, the the rise is always better than the peak man.
Well, let's let's talk about that for a second. It's so what was it about the rise that you think was that situation that contributed to feeling feeling happy during that period of
time it was it was the
optimism and also also you were in it with a group of you know, people who you all started out with and you were all supporting each other and you know, the the the British seen in my mind is less competitive than the American scene and I attribute that to in America you play a comedy club and then the comedy clubs decide who's getting paid what and so there's a real you're worth this much. You're worth this much. You're worth this much, right and
You have a headliner. He might be being paid $10,000 for that show and you'll have a support act. He's literally getting 40 bucks and that's still going on. Right? And so there is a little bit of like when you're the person earning the 10,000 like I don't worry guys. I'll get the drinks, you know, there's a bit of that but you go down to I don't know what it is now, but you go down to The Comedy Store in London in the in the early 2000s 200 pounds a gig for everybody and you might do two shows there and Night 200 pounds per se like 300 American bucks or
thereabouts. Yeah, and that was a good income that you could live off and you know, each comic was getting the same price so you didn't feel like well, why are they getting this and I'm not getting this in and if you got famous you got out of the comedy clubs and you went and did theaters. You never were famous and in comedy clubs, you know, and so over they never the comedy clubs might just have your name written out the front but they don't have posters around the club going next week David Spade next week.
A land or whatever, you know what I mean? They don't have that. So people just went to Comedy because they wanted to go see comedy and the club might have a reputation for having the best acts or what have you and another club might be have a reputation for having were Saks or maybe they pay less or whatever, you know, but so so the fact that no one was sort of getting paid more than anybody else and we're all sort of in the same boat. It didn't breed jealousy or competitiveness.
It's like it does over here and also in America there seems to be Britain. There's so few TV opportunities. You might go on a panel show us something like that. But Comics getting offered sitcom deals isn't really a thing, you know, because there's not that many sitcoms. There's just not enough channels to do that, you know and in America, it's like that guy got a development doing what the fuck did this person get it, you know so that I think breeds more jealousy and
Maybe less Kindred Spirits. Then the British one. I think I still have more friends in comedy in the UK than I do in England and America, but I can only say that when I moved to America, I was already sort of established in I was older and I sort of just keep to myself to be honest. I like I like when I'm not doing comedy to just not think about comedy and when I was younger all I did was think about comedy and what do I do jokes jokes jokes jokes jokes, and now I just sort of try not to watch.
Anybody and and try to keep to myself and and try it try to be a good dad and all that type of stuff and I think that just comes with age.
When did you first feel in say the UK that you were successful and that that's relative right? So it could have been a small when it could have been a big win. But when did you feel? Holy shit. Like I think I'm on my way. This could be.
Well, there's several different stages that now the first stage is I didn't have a day job anymore. So I
Working in the bars and I you know, I was working in pubs and stuff when I first got there. I stopped working in bars and then comedy was my full-time job. And that was that was maybe the best feeling I've had of anything ever. I think that was the best one was when that this is my job and you you've got to when you got to the airport and you had to write down occupation in the form and I got the light stand up comedian that yeah. I felt I still I still fucking get a little buzz out of doing that man. I still stand up comedian and
And then, you know the next sort of Step what happened was in Britain in my opinion. If you weren't doing the Ann Arbor Festival, you weren't really trying, you know, and the Edinburgh Festival unlike Montreal or what have you or some of the other ones around the world where you're invited to these festivals. You're not invited to Edinburgh you just decide if you want to do it and then you go up there and do it and if people show up well that's good for you, but it's a real it's a real litmus test.
On whether people like you or not because you went from being in the clubs to you're getting reviewed by 15 or 20 Publications. Now some of these Publications are just pissy little student Rags that are around for the three weeks of the festival and some of them are those Scotsman and the Telegraph and big you know, independent and proper newspapers. And so you'd go up to Adam bra and so I did one atom refers to rule and in a 50 Cedar and I saw I averaged 30 tickets and night and I thought that's pretty
be good and then the next year I went up and I had a hundred and twenty Cedar and I sold that out and then then and then afterwards so then that my management put me into little community centers around the UK to just do solo shows, you know, and little 200-seat Community Theaters in these small little Villages little towns and villages in between the towns, you know, what happened was so I was about
First two and then you know 2006 and I I got punched in the head and this is before things went viral or is before really YouTubers what YouTube was and then this thing was on everywhere me getting punched in the head. And then
yeah, you mentioned Manchester earlier is mentioned by mr. Is a
man Chester County store. And so this little tour I was meant to be doing sold out and you know, I've always said that, you know, a lot of people go. Oh that was lucky, but it was but you still have to be able to
To back it up, you know because a lot of opportunities happen to a lot of people it's whether you whether you ready to pounce on it, you know, and so so that was that was sort of a bigger moment, you know, and then going off every time you got to a new festival and you know, I remember I remember feeling really big the first time someone paid for an airplane ticket for me. I thought that's something I'm traveling and I went and did some gigs in Asia and then I went to Montreal and and I was like, and I was just sitting there.
Wanted me but I remember thinking fucking I'm saying the world for free and that seem like a big deal to me because my we're growing up my parents. My parents saw the world and they yeah for two years they traveled and I was always sort of envious of that and thought I'll never be able to do that. I'll never you know, and then when I got to do it and stay in nice hotels that's other stuff that felt like a real real achievement, you know, and then everything since then hasn't really felt like anything to be honest. Nothing American success or anything. It's just sort of
It felt like I now I'm of the opinion that it'll all go away one day. It'll all end or it won't be what it is now or and you got to be happy without it. You know, if you're not happy with it, you won't be happy without it. So that's why I'm saying the rise was better than the thing now. It's like all right, when's this going to end and then when we when you when you're younger you like the sky's the limit and now it's like I don't need to go up any higher.
I've
seen enough I've seen enough for this guy.
What keeps you going these days? Well, I would agree that the sort of chasing the summit isn't a lot of ways more fun than getting up there and being like Jesus Christ. Okay. Now what
well net now it's more about less about success and more about making good work, you know do it like it's also it's also
Things now it's like so I'm doing a multicam sitcom. Now if you ask me even a year ago, if I'd ever done while he came sitcom. I think no one would ever put me in a multicam sick on and then when I got asked at some of the some of the fan base would calling me a sellout and I type of stuff because I'm doing a multicam and it's like, you know, I fuck you man. It's like I watched Seinfeld I watch friends. I watch cheers. I watch all these things. I love those shows. There's a rumor about these shows that all but they have a laugh track. They don't have a laugh track.
It's a fucking studio audience. People are actually laughing that's real laughter. You know, it's but it seemed to be a bit cheaper or something. But you know, I think now is is challenging myself is what you want to do, you know, so I'm not a good actor guy. Sometimes I get better at it the more I do it, you know, I mean, I'd like to get good at acting I think that would be a thing that would be, you know, I would never have the audacity to call myself.
Actor I say Kim stand-up comedian slash actor and I always think I should take that bit off the actor bit. That's not a real thing. But yeah, I because I know I know real actors. I've got some friends who are proper actors and their complete class difference from what I can do the every every job like in legit. I played myself, you know, I'm going to play myself in this sitcom. It's like it's like I'm not really an actor is such a son.
Someone who just reads the lines as myself.
Well, let's talk about you mentioned getting better at acting. Let's talk about comedy for a second flashback to Edinboro. So for people who want a picture attenborough's this extremely picturesque town
with beautiful city. It's
beautiful. You've got that the coffee shops where JK Rowling wrote The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
You've got no I didn't see from Recife Middle Brother you
go. She wrote. She wrote a number of the
They're I think of the Elephant Room and then like beautiful fudge kind of looks like Hogwarts. You can see all these buildings what happens just since I don't know anything about the festival if it's not invite only what happens if too many comic show up or is it just so intimidating that that doesn't happen and you just kind of walk into town like with a stick in a satchel over your
shoulder. There's just unlimited rooms. That's just unlimited. They go to the universe they use every single classroom. They'll
And any like they'll find a closet and go this is a four seat room. There's that half of these rooms are complete not a fire hazards. They shouldn't be allowed like and it's and it's the middle of summer and people have sweltering these people fainting in your audience's of a and then there's the biggest dreams of thousand seats, which is McHugh and hole but then they do things like they put tents up. So there's a lot of like there's a lot of sort of Park areas and they just whack tense up everywhere and people performing these tents and what happens is that these
Venues will start operating at 9:00 in the morning and they'll be running at 4:00 in the morning right now and and each each hour is someone's act and so you know when like my first show I got like a 11 o'clock pm spot, which isn't a great spot you want that sort of six to nine sort of area and then like as you get more popular they go. Well, you've got the eight o'clock spot you like would be hater clocks, but you know what, I mean, so that like I heard something 2000 shows.
Those are up at the festival to and it's not just it's not just stand up comedy stand-up comedy for whatever reason is the bit that people it's known for but it's an Arts Festival. So there's a lot of like there's a lot of cool things like during the day. There's a lot of shows that you can see that you can take your kids to something some puppetry or or some type of clowning type thing or a lot of stand-up comics who are more family-friendly, they might do their adults show at night and I'll do a kid show during the day, you know, which is a cool thing and I look I never could I was always
Hungover and sleep until 5:00 p.m. And then I'd crawl out and do my show I used to gained like 20 pounds at that Festival, you know, and then we're good. I just bear weight just horrible fat, you know. Anyway better. It's for me. It's a magical place it more than any other festival because it was just it was just everybody up there was creative and it was people that wanted to do their things and people Comics were experimenting they couldn't do in comedy clubs there.
Was things that I was doing that I did it. I did a story that was 30 40 minutes long 40 minutes long about taking my friend with muscular dystrophy to a brothel and the thing about that is I'd never done a set in a comedy club that was more than 20 minutes. So I I couldn't have done that routine. If not for the Edinburgh Festival. Even if I wanted to you know, there was but the thing is
I think the average loss is 5,000 pounds. It's your own money and the promoters are making money and there's posters everywhere. Right and then you got to pay for the posters. Then you got to pay for people to fly a for you all day or you got to fly for yourself. And so if you break even on that first of all, if you come out like going yeah 0 that's you really crushed it you
really crappy and
so it's a gamble but the thing is you get reviewers you get media there. So these things like
What's her name? Fleabag? You know Phoebe Phoebe Wala Phoebe. Wallow. She just wrote the last James Bond movie. She had a team. She she won an Emmy for she wanted to recruit. Yeah, she won an Emmy for a TV show fleabag.
Okay, I'll try to find her. We'll put it in the show notes.
Anyway, like like her show
Phoebe. Was there Bridge
that's my favorite baby while a bridge right? So I her show was just a show at the Edinburgh Festival then some BBC Executives saw and Road making to do a TV show and then all of a sudden you got a TV show then she's got a magnet even now. She's fucking right and James Bond and that magic doesn't happen out of a comedy club. It just doesn't you know, and so so
No, like the Edinburgh Festival gave us Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie and they won one of the first awards and all these great sketch groups that you know, I don't think Monty Python ever did it, but maybe they did. I don't know. Well, let's see huge. I mean huge python guy you are. Yeah. I had I had John Cleese came over my house for dinner and I was just fanboying out the whole time and it was the fucking best man. It was the
I'm friends with his daughter and they were going to come and see one of my shows are going to come and see one of my shows and then because this is the early stages of quarantine before everyone was quarantine, but we would canceling live things. It was like first week and so my show was canceled and he was going to come and he said I was just come over for dinner and then I just was so fucking John cleese's in meows one. That was that was one of the great Thrills of my life.
If for people who don't have and this is true, I think of a lot of younger people who might be listening to this from the US if they don't have
Bushido Monty Python, where would you suggest they
start? Wow, that's very easy at the moment because I think Netflix has all of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Zeke says all of it. I think the easiest the most palatable thing to the case of the best movies The Life of Brian, but maybe if you just want to have something that's like easy palatable and I think they think it's their worst film. I'd watch the meaning of life first because it's small small sketches and it's easy to watch. I'm not a big Holy Grail or Jabberwocky fan. I like
I like Life of Brian but the Flying Circus show is as good as anything and all of those are on Netflix and they're ready to watch. You know, they're all the sketches are good. They're all good. It's just like the classic ones like the Dead Parrot and all that type of stuff. They're not even the best ones. They're just the most easy to quote. I think they're not even the best
ones. Well, let's talk about your brothel visit with your friend with muscular dystrophy. Sure. Alright so end.
A festival. It's a big Opera. It's a big it's a big opportunity. How do you work on that material? Like what did you do to get that ready? That's a box
set. Well that that routine pretty much as the story. There's that you have stories that are partly true and stories that you embellish and stories that you add on things and you know, but that story is very very close to a hundred percent true. Very close. And what happened there was I had my
Friend his brother wanted to get a blowjob we sorted it out. And then and then you know this that the story happened and then I remember when that happened. I was actually at the Melbourne Melbourne Comedy Festival. You've only done once I went into the bar the comedian's bar in Melbourne and I literally walked in and I saw a couple of friends of mine. I said have I got a story for you and I remember I started telling it by the time I was halfway through the story. There was maybe 11
People standing around in this bar and people saying turn the music down a nice talkin about his brothel visit and I remember thinking wow, this is keeping comedians attention, you know, and I think I probably I probably told that story to like in pubs and two friends for about a year and before but just became it is two standard bitter a comedy for me. And then from that the TV show Legit is from you know, the TV
my TV my add an FX TV show which was completely based on that story and I was a one-off that was just the pilot episode was taking someone to a brothel like with muscular dystrophy to a brothel and then when we did the show afterwards, we did another 26 episodes and the thing that was weird was then you have a character with muscular dystrophy that you have to write into each episode and I thought I could only really need this guy for one. But then that became that became the sweetness of the show that became the sweet thing.
But it was hard. Sometimes you'd write a funny seeing the something would funny would happen in your life. And you think I got to put that in the show and then you go and I have to work in a guy in a wheelchair.
How do you and I apologize. I'm not a Comics. I don't even know the proper vocabulary we have actually we have some mutual friends like Whitney Cummings and Bryan Callen and these guys will have much more pointed questions, but for lack of a better way to ask, how do you Workshop some of
You're more I was going to say intricate but just longer pieces for instance. And I know you get asked about this all the time. But if we look at the gun control or gun related pieces that you've done, I mean, those are like long theatrical
piece has the gungan the guy I have an interesting story on how I write gun control. Let's hear that that routine. That's probably I think that probably is the routine I'm most proud about. I think it's the most
I sort of thought provoking or original or whatever thing that I did was that gun control routine that I think it is most memorable and sadly the routine always gets new legs after there's a shooting or something like that. So it's not the way you want to get known, you know, but that routine now now I have to stipulate when I say this okay with Americans, I understand that many of you like guns, and I'm not anti you I don't think you're wrong. I just lied.
Do you think you're wrong but I grew up in a society without guns and I have had a different life experience from you. And so this is just my point of view. It doesn't mean that my point of view is right and your point of view is wrong. It's just this is this is my way of thinking on the matter. So I have a guy and I'm happy to call this man a friend who does not agree with me in any way and these guys are more Republican than I'm I'm more moderate. I think people think I'm a big Lefty but
A bit more moderate than I think people would realize but and it's John ratzenberger from cheers low. No kidding Cliff Cliff Clavin from cheers. And Cliff Clavin was on my TV show Legit and I was I was with him when Sandy Hook happened and we were on set and he said to me her Jimmy. If only these teachers had guns, we wouldn't have these problems and I went you fucking kidding you want teachers to have guns and that's a
and we argued and debated for a few days on this matter, you know, it was never mean or nasty or anything like that. It was just you know, I couldn't believe that Americans thought this way about guns. I'd already before that. I already I always knew you like guns, but when I heard these arguments and I was saying the other people do I think this guy at work you wouldn't believe what he said it's fucking crazy and then I started finding out the other people who are friends of mine agreed with him as well and then other bit and I thought oh man, maybe I'm not in the mind.
Already, but this is a very common belief they all have and so then you start thinking maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm whatever and so I just wanted to give not a scientific or a statistic based argument on the guns. I just wanted to give my point of view and just looking at it rationally type of argument, you know, so that routine was written through arguments with other people was just will conversations with other people. It wasn't written by
why it wasn't written by me going on and I wonder what the statistic is on this and I wonder what that is and reading and researching it was me just arguing with friends until I got all my arguments down and I was like, all right. This is what I'm coming in with this is what I'm coming with and very often stand-up comedy is just you having a one-sided argument and know I'm being able to respond which is a what Prejudice is a wonderful thing. They all respond in the end. They all write something at the end on the Internet and try to get you
Like come up to you. But and in that moment on stage your argument is Gospel and no one can say any different doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's right doesn't mean it's
right. And as you're having these arguments, are you refining all this in your head just catching it in a net or you do have a little black book you pull out of your pocket something comes up. How do you captured?
I don't write jokes down and I really should because I lose track of punch lines and stuff like that and other lines can see
then you can you know, you can you can get I should write things down but I never fucking write things down. I do most of me riding on stage. If you have a kernel of a thought and you wait till you're doing it doing a gig where you really cooking and your the audience really likes anything I can get away with anything right now and then you do your bit and if it doesn't work you go straight back into a bit that you know, really? Well, it's very solid and so so that's how I do it on stage and a lot of people in La they'll invite you to do a geek and
They'll say they'll say hey come down in my room and try out. It's a good place to try out new stuff and it's like a fucking out of your mind. I'm going to come down to 10 minutes and try it new stuff in La where someone important might be high wedge. I wedge the joking in Kansas in between my two hour show in the middle of you know, when you're doing two hours and Stage I try to work into new minutes each time three new minutes and then
that three minutes becomes five minutes and then at the end of the year, you've got a new show. That's why I always find it weird that you expected to have a new tour written when really these tours are if you see me a year and a half apart. It'll be a new show. But if you see me, even if it's a different to her and it's a month apart it's not going to be that much different because everything's just evolving and moving and turning and then the specials come out and once the special comes out you never say those jokes again. Hmm.
it went and when you try out this new two or three minutes if it really works or it partially Works do you just make a mental note do you go back and watch the video or listen to
tape yeah I don't type met the eye normally I'm not only so focused on these two three minutes that I know that you know I know what I'm going to do but the the two or three minutes sometimes that works better than the stuff that's killer even though it's not as good a joke because
for whatever reason the audience can see that you're excited by that joke and they can see the sparkle behind your eye and there's that little bit of magic that happens because you're so excited and you can't fake that and you can't act excited about a joke you've told a hundred times you can't you can perform it well you can perform it really well you can put everything into it and make it great but you can never have that magic where you're grinning through it because you're like ah this is so good you know what I mean and say so because
Doing a new bit of stand-up. That's the most enjoyable bit of the whole show for the for the for the performer. At least it is for me
Les for Brian. So let's let's come back to that. If you don't mind. What is it about Life of Brian that makes it so good in your
mind. Well, it's the perfect movie is the thing about it is there's plenty of quotable sort of sketches in there and stuff like that. It's mocking religion, which I love but it's but it's but it's also not mocking.
Religion in a direct way is like the Christians can get upset and go this is sacrilege night over stuff. No, they don't tease Jesus at all. Yeah, I mean they have the beginning the meek for they will inherit this and the hair at that but they don't really get into Jesus. We're talking about Brian if you want to say that this is about Jesus. That's your fucking problem. You know, there's a lot of people going around acting like they were prophets who got crucified back in the day and if you want to say that we can't talk about them that seems a bit ridiculous. So it's a lovely little
Poll where you can poke fun at people and still, you know, and also that stuff about the what did the Romans ever do for us the aqueduct the this that it's just it's very very funny.
Are there any other Comics who were really formative for you or people you have formative or people you've looked at and just said yourself. I don't know how they do what they do. Right because I guess those are two Joel had a two separate things. I
suppose George Carlin.
And when I started watching him, I thought that was that he was pretty amazing. And I you know, I get a little bit colonists going to joke here and there and I got to watch myself because I would love to have been that man. You know, he seems like the perfect comedian to me. I would say there was a guy called Anthony Morgan as well when I was growing up in Australia who was very influential on Me growing up and I don't
Now he is does these days and I haven't seen him since but but he was he was a big deal for me. And Eddie Murphy's Delirious was a pivotal moment in my childhood was the first time I saw someone who was an Australian doing stand-up comedy got understand in Australia. We only had four TV channels. We had no comedy specials. I didn't know Richard Pryor was a comedian. I thought he was an actor, right? We had no stand-up specials. We had no HBO that didn't exist all we didn't even have American TV.
Gee, we didn't have I couldn't see who was doing. Well on Carson that didn't exist those clips never got to us, you know, we had our own late-night shows with our own comics on them and you'd see them for a few minutes and that was all you really saw of them. And then Delirious was the first cinematic release stand-up special. So it was in the video store and I remember watching it. I couldn't get over that. This guy was doing stand-up comedy for an hour that blew my mind I thought
Stand-up comedy was only in a medium of five minutes. That's what I really wanted. Then you couldn't watch someone afterwards. And I remember like I wasn't good looking. I wasn't good at sports. I wasn't anything, you know that was deemed to be cool. You know, I couldn't play on a guitar. I couldn't you know, and just to see someone who was doing something that I believed. I had the innate talent to be able to do.
And he was cool. Yeah. I mean I never said anything like his comedy before that before Eddie Murphy for me. I didn't it was a goofy. We're goofy people and I still to this day don't particularly care. If something my mother was used to go there. Laughs those kids at school are laughing at you not with you and I just didn't care as long as I was getting the last because I still knew I was doing it to get laughs and it didn't matter to me where they came from and so just to see someone who was
He was you know, like let's be honest. I wear a fucking leather jacket on all my specials because fucking Eddie Murphy will those leather jumpsuit? There's one of my specials I wear without a t-shirt. I just wanted to just
once
once I have a leather and I've never done that in my personal life or anything just before I walked out on stage. I went fucking I'm taking the T-shirt off gonna be like Eddie Murphy. You just just just wear a leather jacket on bare skin. I fucking that jacket stinks to this
day.
Do you think you'll still be in LA or is La home base for you in 10 years
time and wise home and analyze home and I don't believe that. Yeah, I got a kid and I would like to have another child sometimes so I think when you have children, I think that's your moving's done. You know, I mean, I think maybe I could retire.
we're in Hawaii or something like that depending if my kid fucking goes off and works in New York or whatever what's the point of me staying in La you know maybe I could go after Santa Barbara and buy a place and go for fucking walks or whatever the fuck people do when they're old but you know you could you could be you can be in a lot worse basis than La nothing wrong with it yeah I really get a bit home proud of La I don't like when people bag on it and people just go ahead lol oh you must hate it there
and they're like all the traffic the traffic where I live doesn't have traffic because your place is shit well he's got traffic hell he's got traffic because people want to fucking live here that's why there's traffic because people want to be here and it's good the food's good and the women are pretty and shit you know what I mean like why
would
you want to fucking the restaurants are nice like there's places other places that are nice as well but there's just what my argument is there's nothing wrong with LA
well
Also, I mean this took me a while to figure out and obviously there are many people who spent more time there. But I lived in Northern California for almost 20 years and spent a lot of time in Southern California. Is that LA to me strikes me like as if it's a dozen different cities all within the umbrella of LA, right? So you can really kind of pick your pocket depending on where you want to be in the personalities are very
different. Yeah, I agree with that as well. It's like it's like when I moved to LA all I knew of La was to
two things there was the Hollywood which was the ritzy looking lights and that type of stuff and then there was Compton and they're the only two things that I would Seen On TV. Yeah, I mean and so I I used to think I used to believe I couldn't walk the streets in LA because blood or a Crip would come and shoot me or that you don't know me like it'd be a drive-by or so. It's fucking or I'd been Beverly Hills and I would just be girls with long.
Legs with dogs in Handbags and I thought that was all there was and it turns out it turns out there's also the valley what do you
think and and I won't keep you too much longer, but I mean, we're definitely going to talk about the podcast but what has helped you to have longevity in comedy because now it seems like you have some
longevity. Yeah. I think it's producing a lot of specials. I
Think bringing out the specials constantly sort of keep you going the specialist never I never liked do is special and then it's like wow, you're more popular now really that but just keeps your fan base going and I think you got to you got to give you got to give a product. You know, you've got to keep touring you got to you know, if you keep your eye off the ball, then I'm not a big believer in that. I'm in competition with anybody else. I just think if I just keep on producing good quality stuff. I'll always have
I found out is whether it be small or large or whatever they'll be somebody somewhere that wants to pay to watch me tell jokes you know so but as I said if it all ends tomorrow and I I just become like an old fellow who sits around got showing my kid pictures like one time I played the tennis arena in Melbourne you know what I mean like I think I'm all right with that too I don't know I don't know the secret to being a successful comic is I really couldn't tell you
if I could tell you I'd go manage Comedians and stop doing it myself
when you think back to the filling in of the Customs form with stand-up comedian and the higher that that gave you when you first did it not that it would be the same magnitude of high it could be but like what what gives you that type of high now or in the last handful of years or what are you hoping to do though would give you that type of that type of hit
I think
If I was in a dramatic movie, that would be something that's something that right now. I can't foresee ever happening. So that would be one thing that would surprise me if that happened because I've there's that's not on the horizon. No one's ever asked or asked if I'm interested or anything like that. So if that happened that would be something that would shock me if that happened. And you know, I don't suspect that will happen. But if that happened it would Shock Me Be You know, it might sound corny the
The thing I get the most joy out of is probably being a dad. I really I really like being a dad. I think I think I'm more proud of when I do that. Well, then when I do comedy, well,
what do you how do you know when you're being a good dad?
That's the thing man. That's the thing. You don't know you keep yeah, you know, it's I know I know my son really loves me and that's cool. Yeah. I know that and then you do things where
Is little things, you know, you teach some kids to ride a bike and you're like, yeah, I did it because you know as a parent I I don't know how to like like my son still having problems doing his shoelaces and I feel like I've let him down a bit there. He's getting a bit old. He's getting a bit old and he should be able to do it and I feel like hey, I dropped the ball. I dropped the ball on that one. Okay
see 1819. I mean, how does he know? He's seven. He said, okay. Let's check.
He 7 but I've read that he should have been able to do it by the time he was six and he's hopeless at it. You know, he gives it a go and then I go and but because I keep buying him fucking shoes with velcro On Em, you know what I mean? So I feel like that's lazy parenting where I've stuffed up a little bit, you know, but I think you know, you take him on a good holiday or you you work hard and you get them into a good school. And you do all those type of things and I feel like all right, because otherwise
What's all this for? If you're not going to give the Next Generation a better life than you had? Yeah.
Yeah thinking about kids for the first time really for me in the last 18 months or so. So it's um, I've I have a newfound interest in talking to people who are parents, but I don't want to belabor that I want to turn this into a therapy session too quickly. So let's talk about the the new podcast. I don't know about that. Why why this show
why well, I well I think and and
Now no offense to you. I think there's enough chars where people are interviewing people. Yeah. I
mean, I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree with that.
Yeah, and so so and I you know you talk about what there definitely is is far too many comedians interviewing comedians like it seems like a very weird thing now that we all go and each other's podcasts and we talked about how we could start and how to write a joke and I type of stuff and then I just sort of I thought like like the
It was like how do things work or the more you know and all those other podcast where they talk about stuff. Those are the ones that I sort of was interested in where I was like, I started listening to less comedy podcasts and more podcast where I could learn something and then those those crime ones Everyone likes those so much because they have something they learn about now. This also goes back to my father is a very difficult man to argue with because if you prove him wrong in like he'll say
our this happened that happened and your bloody there's an that mirror and then you go. Well Dad that's not actually true, you know, like because in 1948 the government did blah blah blah blah you say that and you give him facts and then my father just goes well, I don't know about that and that's that's not conceding. That's just going on. Maybe you're right. I doubt it. You know what I mean? So I thought well what the podcast is is what will happen is each podcast loves.
specialist on somebody who knows a lot about a subject whether they've written a book or they've done a Ted Talk on it or whatever the fact and they'll come on and I won't know who they are or what they do and then they have to say that their topic of expertise and then I will say everything that I think I know about that thing, right because you remember before the internet when you had a guy in a bar who used to think was the smartest person
Never and then the internet came out and you could just Google things and turned out he was completely full of shit,
right? All
right, I'm gonna be that guy, right and then at the end the guy the person The Specialist will tell me what I got. Right what I got wrong what it misinformation I had what is a common bit of misinformation and thing and then we'll all learn together about this specialist topics and we'll keep it funny and we'll keep it light and then
The end of the thing you'll know about a topic.
I love it. What are some of the topics on the office
lame with require? I say, I don't know. I don't know. That's that's
right. So what have you recorded so far just to if you can give people a sort of a preview or maybe you don't want to
I think I can Queen named a couple Alex. Uh, yeah, we did we did the war on drugs and we've done earthquakes we've done like four or five of these but that's a couple we did earthquakes in the war on drugs.
And so I think
I'm just naked and now I know shitloads about earthquakes and the War on Drugs. I know a lot of stuff now, but before I didn't know much
all I love the format, I mean I do but I do agree with you that I think there's a overabundance of interview style formats. And who knows I may end up looking at the photos Reminiscing on the old days and I'd be okay with that too at some point that if I
if I if I go one of the bigger ones team, I think you'll be just
fine. Yeah, I think it'll
Fine, but you know there might be a time to take Old Yeller by in the shed and she put them put them to rest. But well II love your comedy. I think you're smart guy. It's very very thought-provoking. As I mentioned at the very beginning the new podcast is I don't know about that which is debuting Tuesday May 5th, and I'm sure people can find more about it on Jim Jefferies.com. You can be found on Twitter Instagram at Jim Jefferies. Is there anything else?
Else you'd like to share our anywhere else that people can
know man. I just subscribe to the new podcast. I am home. My gigs are canceled because I'm nice shows to promote. But hopefully after this quarantines all over I'll be coming to a city near you. Thanks for having me Tim
my pleasure and I will for everybody listening link to I don't know about that link to some of the the episodes we mentioned the Manchester head punching incident a couple of
Clips and bits as well as TV shows everything in the show notes as usual at Tim dot block forward slash podcast and Jim. Thank you so much for the time. I really appreciate it. I
appreciate my thank you, bye-bye
and everybody listening till next time. Thanks for tuning in.
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