Here we go.
Hello, mr. President.
Hey, Tim. I love that house. He has I love David's house that made the biggest impression. Thank you, sir.
I already have a pretty nice house
too. Yeah, I have a dealer in a nice ass.
We like how it's only worth 18 million. Right?
Like I know the judge said 18 million people said Palm Beach has gone down a long way. Hello everybody.
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Thanks so much for sitting down with us. Mr. President the all in pods, basically the four of us having conversations. It's kind of a spectrum of different views. We got the sort of like a little bit of some Fox News and then some Ms. D and C at the same time. So so
keeps it interesting.
Yeah, absolutely anyway to mouth and I we had a great time at the at the fundraiser that
Dead a couple weeks ago. I think it turned out it turned out great. And I heard the Winklevoss brothers are actually announcing that they're donating a million dollars each in Bitcoin to you tomorrow. So I think that's a great result to come out of it as well.
Got to meet them for the first time at your house and terrific terrific. They they did. Well, I think they might have started the whole thing. I don't know. I don't know if that court case was proper, but they were very nice both of
them.
Absolutely, really nice guys, you know, and I think maybe this is a good place to start in our conversation is you know, one of the things I think we heard a lot at that dinner was just the difficulty that people in business were having under this Biden Administration. You got the crypto guys who just want a framework. They just want the government to tell them how to operate and they can't get that you got no ma happening right now in Tech the real estate guys, they can't get loans because the interest rates are through the roof.
A credit crunch. So I think one of the common themes we just heard across that dinner was that it was just so hard to do business right now and I guess maybe a good place to start with just be you know, what's the number one thing maybe the top three things that you would do to kind of get things moving again, you know, if you're
re-elected so it's a regulation regulation and taxes. Okay, you know, I gave the biggest tax cut in the history of our country and a lot to business it took him down.
Down from look as you know, they were paying people companies were paying 40% 45% including state and city taxes in many cases and we got it down to 21 percent would like to get it down lower actually, but we got it down and the revenues were were better than ever even with a lower rate. We had a record record revenues which tells you a little bit about that but also the regulations and when I asked a lot of people a lot of big people a lot of corporate types
Big corporate types. I said if you had your choice between just the taxes or just the regulations, where did I do better? He said the regulations. I was the biggest cut of Reagan in four years. I cut more regulations that anybody by for nope by far not not even close and when I spoke to different people about the regulation versus the taxes, I don't think I've ever had anybody send the taxes were a massive cut, you know from 37 38 percent of your look at it just there to 21.
One percent. I don't think I ever had anybody say that the taxes were more important than the regulation Cuts. I made it possible to build. I made it possible to do things to invest I was able to get companies with a lot of money outside of the USA to bring that money back in, you know, we cut the rate and it was crazy. The wreck was like 55% So that means if they bring the money back they lose half that money before they even start but it was also impossible from a standpoint of structural standpoint a legal standpoint.
It's very hard and they were able to bring back. I mean apples that example, they brought hundreds of billions of dollars back from other countries into the United States and invested it here. So but it's very interesting because I asked the question all the time which was more important and almost everybody said I did an even better job and I got the biggest tax cuts the biggest tax cuts bigger than the Reagan tax cuts, but they found regulations and the regulation Cuts were even more effective and that's where we had.
A great economy and that's what we had the most jobs ever
produced sir. There's this odd thing that happens in certain states where taxes keep going up and then you start to see the state's break, right productivity breaks crime goes up and quality of life goes down, but then people don't understand that taxation and all of those things are correlated, but do you have an idea of why that is like why don't people understand universally that lower taxation is better for productivity. Well, they don't
understand it and it's such an interesting.
Question because you look at some of these places like Chicago and New York and and la and so many more were you know, I'd hate to even mentioned the three because there are worse examples and that you look at what's happened in Oakland and you look at what's happened in to some cities that are disappearing. I mean, they're literally just crime waves are too nobody lives there except for criminals because you can't live there you can't survive there physically you can't survive there and when you look at the kind of crime that we're talking about and then they take the
The power away from the police of police can't do anything if they do anything to stop it. They end up losing their pension to house their family. They end up losing everything they get put in jail, and we're not talking about the Rogue cops who do something really bad and should be taken care of badly, you know be nasty. You got to be nasty to them also, but mostly I mean, they these people they want to really like 99% They want to stop crime. They hate to see it. They're not allowed to even they're told not to do anything.
When you see a department store, that was so proud. They opened up a new store in a certain city. And all of a sudden is over. The last couple of years has happened this phenomena where 500 usually young people walk into the store and take everything. They have masks on they walk out with television sets air conditioners. They walk out with everything. This is a new phenomena that's taken place and it's incredible. Look at drug stores. Look at what's going on like in New York you walk into a chain. I've seen it twice.
I don't walk into too many drugstores, but I used to love it now used to love to walk around and just look at what it is whether it's a drug store Department sir, but they told me just a little while ago. I had a meeting with some people and they say you walk into a drugstore New York and everything's covered up with bars and glass and if you want just a little thing of aspirin or if you want to buy a toothbrush, you have to wait a half an hour to get a clerk and they open up this Vault and they give you a toothbrush or they give its how do you do business like that?
This is a phenomena. There's never been anything like this. They didn't use to have theft of even the most minor items. They had very little theft relatively speaking. They didn't have them but they had the police would arrest them. If they did something today. They don't they have limits sometimes if you still less than two thousand dollars, you don't get arrested. So nobody steals more than two thousand dollars. It's incredible when you see what's happened to the quality of life in our country, and it's happened so quickly it's taken place. So
Badly, nobody's ever seen anything, but you look at retail and I know the big deal. It used to be a big deal when a department store moved into a city or you know, a certain store opened up even in a town, but it's usually the Democrat run big cities where this problem is taking place and I don't say that as a republican. They just say you look at the 25 cities the top problems that just about all Democrat the Democrat
run and they're also High tax High regulation States.
Yeah. No.
A spell all of these different things that have taken place there phenomena. It's a phenomenon. What's what's going on? Nobody's ever seen anything like it and it has to be stopped. It's a horrible quality of life. And on top of that you can't walk to her. So you end up getting shot or mugged or something the level of crime in two cities in these big cities is is out of control. Nobody has ever seen anything like
it. Mr. President. Can I can I just ask on your point about the tax cut Larry Summers made a
Comment the other day and I thought maybe you could respond to his tweet that the tax cuts coupled with the tariffs that you've proposed would cause a massive. I think he called it the mother of all stagflation where you would have kind of inflation because of the tariffs you would have economic decline because more money would start to fund an increase in prices with tax coming down tax cuts being put in place. Can you maybe just comment on the comment made by Larry Summers and how we Implement tax cuts without it.
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will let me show you that I respect Larry Summers a lot. He's been right about a lot of things and Obama and Biden have been wrong certain things that he said turned out to be true certain things and he really I do have a good respect for me as a different kind of a guy and he speaks his mind. I happen to be a big believer in tariffs because I think tariffs give you two things they give you economic game, but they also give you a political gain if if a country is out of control and something having nothing to
to do with economics or having nothing to do with with money coming in or money going out but other things that are very political because there are a lot of other things involved in countries, you have tremendous power over a country now, not everybody can say that but we can't because with a big piggy bank, but our piggy bank is going to get smaller and smaller all the time because we're losing power. We're losing a lot of you know countries on the dollar. I mean, they're going like flies if we have Lisette that's the equivalent of losing a war. That would be an unbelievable.
Would really make us third world. We have lost so many countries. I look the other day. So Russia is gone. You take a look Ukraine. Does it sort of exist in a sense? Nobody knows what's going on there. But when you look at China is essentially gone, they're trying to get out of it. They wanted their our primary competitor. Iran is not there. The other day I read were Saudi Arabia is willing to now go and various different currencies on said of the dollar. This is a
Tragedy this is a big thing that's happening against our country and we cannot let that happen with tariffs. It gives you a tremendous power as an example not to let that happen. You say you want to do that. We're going to put tariffs on your product coming into the United States but more importantly and that's a big importance but probably of more importance has they tax us we text them reciprocal trade. I think we should have a reciprocal trade act if China is going to judge us.
$100 Tara for 100% era for the car. Then we should said you got to pay 100% us. You know, I put on a large tariff on China cars coming in and it had a huge impact a huge positive impact but and by know he's doing the electric cars. I don't know why that is because the electric cars are going to end up all being made in China. By the way, they're not going to be made here. The United Auto Workers are going to take a blow like no unions are between that and people coming in pouring into our country unions are getting absolutely.
Decimated a President
Trump, but the reciprocal the reciprocal Act is I think a very important thing when these countries and I don't mean just China we have other countries you could take the European Union. They don't want our farm product and they don't want our cars and they don't want anything. We have a massive deficit right there, but you could go with many countries and they essentially do things to us and we should do things to them. Basically. It should be
reciprocal one of the things we've talked about President Trump on the spot.
Just a lot is the deficit under your Administration. We added close to eight trillion under by and it's going to be paradoxically about the same number seems incredibly unpopular in Washington to cut costs but that's something we're going to need to do what's your plan? And it looks like you're going to win a second term here. What's your plan in your second term to control spending? Can you get it under control? Here's the will in Washington to allow you to do that.
Well, the biggest thing I think is growth because we can grow our way out as an example.
Well, we have more Liquid Gold under our feet I use the term we have more oils. We have more Wells we have more everything than anybody else. When I started we would number three now. We're number one. We were number one. He's going to keep it that way until after the election if they ever won the election. There's no more oil coming out is no more oil. They were going that oil is what caused the inflation you'd have. Nothing coming at it would be a disaster. So they were intelligent enough to let the the oil wells continue to go. They're not happy about it.
But if this election were won by them, I can tell you right now you would be we would see oil go through the roof because they would really close it up already. They're taking out of the Strategic reserves just for politics because they want to try and keep the prices down as low as possible. But the big thing we have tremendous growth potential and we have tremendous numbers of dollars that can be saved through efficiency the way we're spending money hundreds of billions of dollars.
What Biden did with with the trillions of dollars that he borrowed for covid now? I had a different situation. We were getting ready to start paying off debt. We were getting ready to make a lot. We had the greatest economy in history. I had to throw a lot of money at covid in order that we didn't end up in a 1929 type depression which we could still end up in now because of what they've done but I threw a lot of money in and we ended up not in a depression and then we ended up with a very strong, you know, we ended up with a higher.
Stock market that it was just previous to covid coming in which was pretty much of a miracle according to most but we had to throw money out there in order to keep our country going we would have ended up if I didn't do that. We would have ended up in a depression. The problem is when Biden came in he took trillions and trillions of dollars for covid. He didn't use it for covid. He used it for other things, but he took trillions of dollars out and that caused a lot of the inflation energy caused his energy policies caused inflation and his
He's spending the unbelievable spending that they did caused inflation tremendous inflation. And it's going to have an impact for a long time to come.
Can you talk about your impoundment Authority intention? You mentioned that in the past that you could go in and reduce the bureaucracy and the spend. I always tell people my position going into the election is less that I'm interested in knowing what the government's going to do for me and I'm more interested in knowing what the government's going to stop doing. That doesn't do any good for anyone.
And there seems to be a lot of that and I'm really curious to hear sir. How you think about using the impoundment authority vested in you as a president of the United States to reduce some of the bureaucracy wasteful spending and create accountability. And what's to do, you know, is there a team that you've built around you to help build a specific plan on backing out of some of these
issues right? We have a lot of money floating around that should be brought back into the government should be given back to DC to Washington as you know, there's a lot of money given out.
Over the last couple of years especially over the last my money was given out to help us with covid then they took money and they have no idea what they're even doing with it that money can be given back and it should be given back and things can be done with that money that have a positive but we have there are many many things. I'll give you an example education. We spend more on education per pupil than any other country. We spend numbers that are and yet we're terrible at it. We're down at the bottom of the list and yet we're at the top of the list.
Would give I am going to very early in the administration. We're going to send education back to the States. We're going to give them approximately half the number of dollars and they're going to have so much money that like they've never had before because they can spend a fraction of what we're spending right now and have much better school systems as an example you go to very you could name many you go to Nebraska you go to Iowa you go to many states will do a far better job that we're doing right now and they'll do it for a fraction of the cost.
It will save a tremendous amount of money and have better some states. I don't believe we'll do a very good job, but they could have to learn to but we have I would say most of our state's will do a much better job. I think all of them will do better than I you can't do worse than what we're doing right now. But all of them will do better, but some will be out absolutely education Factory in a positive sense factors. We are going to close up education will have a tiny little group to make sure everyone
Teaching at least English and perhaps proper math, etcetera etcetera, but very little Department of Education goes and education goes back to the States and where it belongs. I mean word absolutely belongs and you're going to save a lot of money you can look at interior with that. You could look at environmental with a lot of that where the environment can be controlled by the state's instead of this big bureaucracy in Washington d.c. Mean, what do
you do when China is burning all the coal and they're sending the ascending the ashes over the United States because that's what happens takes three and a half days in a blows over the United States. And the meantime, we're keeping things good. We produce Clean Coal. We're going to produce clean energy, but we have to get back to energy with spending trillions of dollars on artificial week energy. That's not going to fire up. Our plants are plants have to be fired up. We have a phenomena coming up right now and I was talking
About it the other day to David and that's a i a little things simple to little simple letters, but it's big and I realized the other day more than anything when we were at David's house and talking to a lot of geniuses from Silicon Valley and other places. They need electricity at levels that nobody's ever experienced before to have to be successful to be a leader in AI the amount of electricity that is like double what we have right now and even triple what we
Have right now they are they it's incredible how much they need to be the leader and we're gonna have to be able to do that and a windmill turning with its blade knocking out the birds and everything else is not going to be able to make us competitive. You'll have
China. What about what about nuclear? Mr. President? Yeah. So let me just give you a statistic on the charge of killing 150 nuclear reactors and they're only spending about 25 hundred dollars a kilowatt in the u.s. We're not building any
And our cost to build them is about 10,000 bucks at kilowatt and China is about to build as much capacity of 20 percent of the total us production in nuclear. We clearly have a problem here in nuclear.
We do and nuclear is okay with me and what we're doing is, you know, if you look at Alabama you look at a couple of states where they built these plants and they had cost overrun Center. Nobody's ever seen anything like it where they're costing 25 billion dollars to build a plant. There were a couple of them built in the South. I won't mention the places but you know the places
and they came out at numbers that I think the most expensive things ever built in our country and the inspectors would go and they say those worlds aren't thick enough not come down and build another wall and you know, the environmental people were brutal, you know in France and in other places where they do have a lot of nuclear, they build small plants all the same and if they need double the amount they'll be able to of them as opposed to the nonsense that we've done where we build these massive plants and they never get built and they have cost overruns of
Of three four five hundred percent nobody's ever seen anything like it. No, I'm okay with no clear, but you have to do it in a way that makes sense and they they have nuclear applications today that can be built and can be built reasonably inexpensively. But nuclear certainly is very strong
power to shape the conversation of foreign policy this remember this make sure we get we get time to talk about foreign policy. It's okay with you guys. Yes, Miss Perez. I've really appreciated your comments saying that you want to bring a peace deal to the war in Ukraine so that people
Op dying and I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment but I've seen that it made no micro in the president of France is talking about actually putting NATO troops or French troops in Ukraine as potentially a next step and that could be a trip wire for more NATO troops coming in. Can you guarantee that no matter what you're not going to put American boots on the ground in Ukraine. Is that something you can say
definitively? Yeah. It did. I wouldn't know it's different for friends, you know their neighbors more or less. We have an ocean in between
It's different for Germany. Although Germany's much less involved than they should be and other countries, but you know, we have a big ocean in between one of the things I think is so unfair David. I think it's terrible is that we're giving probably where at least 100 billion dollars more than Europe. Meaning Europe is as a whole put together and the economies are similar size believe it or not that put together and us is about a very similar economy size, but it's much more important for
For them, it's important for everyone. You have to have a look. This would have never happened. If I were president, it would have never put would have never done it and it happened for two reasons. It also happened because oil went through the roof and he had he had all this money to prosecute the war but the oil was at a much lower level the price of well, he wouldn't have been able to afford the war all of a sudden when it hit almost $100 a barrel. He said, you know, I mean, he's one of the few to make money during a war because the
Scott and it stayed very high. It's extremely high right now and it's going up oil prices all over the country are going up as you probably have noticed but I will tell you that would have never happened Ukraine would have happened never happened. The Israeli attack would have never happened and inflation would have never happened. Those are three big things inflation would have never happened but with Ukraine and now it's very much look Ukraine is now I read the other day where they don't have the soldiers. They don't have the Manpower or they
I want to use children. They want to use old people very old people people that are not really perhaps equipped to fight. They're not
really ever change their soldiers like 43 now, so they're running out of there literally running out of people to make a peace deal there. Would you be willing to take NATO expansion off the table if that's what it took to get the Russians and ukrainians to make a deal. Would you be willing to do that
over 20 years? I heard that NATO if Ukraine goes into NATO. It's a real problem for Russia. I've heard that for a long time.
And I think that's really why this war started. I'm not sure that this war would have started Biden was saying all of the wrong things and one of the wrong things he was saying no Ukraine will go into NATO. That's one of the many things. He said when I listened to him speak I said this guy is going to start a war because as you know, for four years there was never even talk of Russia going into Ukraine that would have never happened. Russia was not going to attack Ukraine as soon as I got out they started the
Form along the lines and I thought that Putin maybe we'll look he's a good negotiator. I thought he was going to be doing that for negotiation purposes. Then all of a sudden they attacked and I said what's going on here, but if you look at the rhetoric from Biden, he was saying the opposite of what in my opinion you had to say the things he was saying and he still saying it he's saying things that are so crazy. I'm ettore 100% agree and you know, it turns out that the month before the Russians invaded blinking.
Told lavrov that the administration was not only going to bring Ukraine into NATO but that they thought it was okay for the United States to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine. So no wonder the Russians hit the roof. I mean you talk about provocation
but let's say you were running Russia. You wouldn't be too happy and that's always been off the table, you know, they're at the border and it's always been you know, I don't think that they would have if they thought that that was going to remain sort of a territory where you
don't have NATO but they don't have soldiers right on that border. They don't want to have it. It's always been understood and that's even before Putin. It's always been understood that that was a No-No and now you can go against their wishes and it doesn't mean they're right when they say that but that was very provocative and now it's even more provocative and they're talking about I hear routinely they're now talking about Ukraine entering in oh, and now I hear friends wants to go in a fight. Well, I wish you a lot of luck. I think good luck.
Sir, can I ask you about Israel Palestine? So after October 7th, what's the right path to just resolve this once and for all and just move forward
again? It's so sad to me because it would have never happened. Iran was broke. They had no money. I sanctioned countries that wanted to buy oil from Iran and I would have made a fair deal with Iran. I was going to get along with her and I was going to get along with everybody. We did the Abraham Accords I think eventually around
Would have been in the Abraham. Of course, we had four strong countries go in and nobody went in since I got out that whole thing should have been loaded up right now what it should have been full they did nothing with the Abraham Accords that everybody said we're great. They said we're going to get the Ultimate Prize because of that. It was amazing. If anybody else did it if a Democrat did it they would have they would have gotten what they would have gotten every prize in the book every prize in the book, but I did it and it was a great thing that we did. It was a
Nominal thing but when you look at what happened now and you see what's going on. It's very very very very sad that attack would have never happened in a million years. I ran didn't have the money for Hamas and didn't have the money for a Hezbollah. They didn't have the money for any of the 28 other cells of Terror or whatever you want to call them. Iran was broke. I say respectfully they had no money and they weren't given money. And actually it was a big story when I was toward the end of my term. There was a lot of big stories.
Is that there was no Tara going on because Iran didn't have the money. They had to survive. We would have made a deal good for everybody. Everybody would have been happy. The main thing is Iran can have a nuclear weapon. That was my main thing. The deal was a simple deal. Iran can have a nuclear. You know, I can't have a missile can have a nuclear missile. It cannot have that nuclear capability. Other than that we talked about everything. They would have been very happy. It would have been fine and you would have had peace in the Middle East that
Problem is I had them at a point where you could have negotiated a child could have made a deal with them and Biden did nothing. He did nothing a child like to negotiate a young man that do nothing or young woman that do nothing in kindergarten could have made a deal with Iran at that time because they wanted to make a deal and by never took advantage of it. Now they put back no sanctions all of the different things that they gave them China buys billions and billions of dollars of oil every
month many billions of dollars a month other people are buying so Iran now has two hundred and fifty billion dollars cash. They made it all in three and a half years and now they're much tougher to deal with and I will tell you I got along great with Kim Jong Hoon. We solve that problem and nobody was in danger. But this is a big problem. This is a real problem and within 90 days or so they're going to have in could have very well in nuclear weapon. And Israel is a big is a big difference in Israel between
In Iran with a nuclear weapon and Iran without a nuclear weapon and lots of luck in that negotiation that's going to be a much more difficult
negotiation pressing trumpet. I wanted to ask you a question about Roe v-- Wade, you promised your base that you would overturn Roe v-- Wade, you edit three people to the Supreme Court and you delivered on that promise. This might be the issue that determines the election and many people believe it is. Are you going to do a National Abortion ban, would you support that?
Yes or no,
so I don't need a national ban because it's up to the states right now. What I did is something that people have wanted to do for from day one fifty-one years. It's been going on and if you remember over the years you're too young but over the years. All they wanted to do is they wanted to make take it out of the federal government and move it into the states and I got that done with the selection of three great justices. I got it done and it was a big thing, but I will say over the last 10 years or
Be a little bit more than that. They started talking about the number of weeks and this and that a lot of different subjects came in. It was no longer just simply bringing it back every legal scholar from Democrat to Republican liberal conservative. They all wanted it brought given to the States because from a legal standpoint from a lot of other Stan points including even a moral standpoint. They wanted it brought back to the States. And what I did is I got it back to the States and now the states are
in charge and the people are voting and some votes are coming out the way certain people wanted and some votes aren't coming out the way certain people wanted. I mean if you look at Ohio, I would say it was a more liberal vote than people would have thought and you could say that for Kansas and then you look at Texas. It was a different story, but the people of the states have got that issue now and they're voting and the one thing that we have to remember that there's been a lot of radicalism talked about and the radicalism
Is really on the left because they're willing to do abortions in the eighth and ninth month a month and even beyond that. I mean we have some people the governor take a look at the governor of Virginia the former governor of Virginia where he talked about we will kill the baby after the baby is born that's a very radical stance and hopefully that's all going to be taken off the table now, but just to put it simply it's now up to the states and like Ronald Reagan. I'm a Believer in the exceptions the three exceptions
Options as you know and rape incest life of the mother the danger for the life of the mother and we have a situation now where it's in the state's hands and the states are going to be voting. The last thing people want the people are going to be voting. The last thing people want is for that to go back into the federal government. It was always fought and very importantly and people wanted it. They wanted it back in the States where it belongs legally and for a lot of other reasons,
So you wouldn't support a national ban.
No, I wouldn't support a national beer know I
would just shifting back to foreign policy for a moment. Mr. President on the relationship with China funny how Democrats and Republicans seem to have a unified voice and banging the drums on the rise of China. Do you think that war with China is inevitable? And if not, how do we avoid
it? I think it's not inevitable. I think it's unlikely. I know president XI very well.
And we got along great until covid then I wasn't so happy with them because they gave it to us. I said it came from the Wuhan lab. I was right about that. They said then it started in Italy and then started in France and started everywhere but there but it started in China and it was a many many millions of people died all over the world. And of course the world probably 60 trillion dollars, which is more money than China has and more money than anybody has the death and Destruction has been unbelievable, but I
I think it's high. If you have the right President, we can live at peace with China we can do very well with China compete with China but we don't have the right president right now. He's not respected by China. He's being left out by China and he's a Manchurian Candidate him and he's received money from China his family and that makes him to me somebody that shouldn't be negotiating at he's got a conflict of interest but no, I don't see war with China is being inevitable at
all President Trump. Do you think
Think that fauci and our government funded gain-of-function research. And do you think we should really be pursuing the investigation deeply into that and if we did fund gain-of-function research, what does that say about our government and taking ownership of it? Because a lot of us lost a lot of years kids didn't go to school and it caused economic damage as you pointed out earlier the amount of money you have to spend try to avoid a depression was really severe and if we funded that
What does that make you think about our government and then fauci covering it up? If that is in fact true. What does that make you think about our
government? So if you remember I'm the one that stopped it and I stopped it may be for a lucky reason or an unusual reason I said, why are we paying money to China? It wasn't about gain-of-function or anything else? It was why are we paying money to China China got a lot of money and they're doing fine, you know where considered like they want us to consider them a growing.
In nation a nation in distress all sorts of things because they always take advantage of every treaty by saying that they need, you know, they're an improving Nation. I heard the other day. They have all different terms for changing but they're a growing Nation. Well, we're a growing Nation to We're a nation that's becoming a third world nation based on what we're seeing but I was the one that stopped that when I saw that I was the one that stopped that the fauci thing is an interesting phenomena.
He's a much. I was not a big fan of his as you know, he said no let everybody come in from China over rode him on that. I overheard him on a lot. But he wanted the people from China when I heard about this. I stopped it. We had a room loaded up with people and nobody could even believe it but I stopped at we would have lost hundreds of thousands of people more maybe more much more maybe over the millions, but hundreds of thousands of people more had I not stopped people coming in from China.
He lied to you.
About the origin of carbon.
Well, I've always said the origin was you know, where it came from where it originally came from was the Wuhan lab I happen to think it escaped from the Wuhan lab. I mean, I don't believe it came from the bats in 2000 miles away caves. I don't believe it came from other countries as China tried to convince people that did I thought it should have been called the China virus because it was a very much more accurate term than covid. Nobody knows what covid even means why is it covid but
No, I was always
but did fauci lie to you I guess is what the American people want to know did found she lie to you. And if he did should he be prosecuted?
I don't think I dealt with you have to understand proud. She was a much bigger factor in the Biden Administration than he was in the Trump Administration. I didn't rely on him that much because I didn't trust him. I would say got along with him fine. Not really but I didn't trust him. And again, I was the one that stopped the money going to China. I didn't like it. I
in stop it because of covid I didn't stop it because of anything other than why are we paying money to China? It was strange. They should pay us money. We shouldn't pay them money. One of the things I can tell you the World Health Organization. So we pay them almost 500 million dollars and China pays them 39 million dollars. And so I got out of the World Health Organization. They did absolutely nothing they called it totally wrong. I got out. They called me and they said we'll do
Anything to keep you in anything anything I said well, why are they paying thirty nine million were paying almost 500 million and they said well, we'll work out a deal where you can pay much less. I said well now you're starting to talk, but even that it was very popular when I get out. It was a very politically it would have been very hard to go back in people were thrilled that I got out. I could have made a deal to go in for 39 million. They offered me a deal to go in for 39 million on actually turned it down. I said, you know, what should be a third it should be if
you look at where 350 million to there at one point four billion people, right? So it should have been 25% or less than that, but I didn't want to quibble but I could have gone back in immediately for 39 million dollars as opposed to 500 then a horrible horrible election, which helped destroy our country took place in 2020 and they went back in and they're paying more than 500 million dollars and they knew I could have made a deal now. It's a lot of money.
Not when you talk about the world, but it's still a lot of money and it but it shows you the stupidity of the whole thing. They could have made a deal for 39 million instead. They're paying much more than they paid even before and that's the way the mindset of our country is. And here's the big part China totally controls the who China totally controls them. We have very little control over them and now they want to give control over a whole country to them. Which would
Be a terrible mistake
fauci brings up sort of the kind of deep State personality that you talked about in 2016. That's kind of like riddled all over the government. How much progress do you think you made and how what do you want to do if you become president in November and do you have goals around the Deep State this time around and what are they?
Well, I have a lot of things. I mean I did a lot of things in the FBI. I fired a lot of their top people including Comey who's terrible at what he did a terrible person and terrible at what he did I've
Fired McCabe and you know, I don't have to go through Lisa and struck, you know, all of the that lovers and oh, I fired all I got rid of them can I'd you know, so many of the agents are so incredible in the FBI down below but we got rid of a lot. We you take a look at the World Health again. We got out of the World Health we got out of the this is a similar thing that you know, this is really similar to your answer but we got out of the World Health Organization, which was a tremendous thing we got
Rid of the Paris Accord the Paris Accord was a disaster for us. We were going to pay a trillion dollars and other countries were paying nothing. Russia was paying nothing. China was paying nothing. It didn't even kick in for China until 2030. Where's with us at kicked in immediately. So I got rid of the Paris Accord. I did a lot of things having to do with not only people but tremendous amounts of money because the Paris Accord was so unfair and I said you
Now what I do, this people are not going to like it, but I have to do it because it's right people loved it the public understood it they loved it. And now they've gone back into the Paris Accord at the same terms and even worse than the terms. I got out. It's really a shame. It's so many things. It's so sad to see so many things. I mean the who the Paris Accord you take a look at these things. They could have gone back if they wanted to go back if they had and they could have gone back for a fraction of what they were doing.
And they're very unfair to the United States. We're like a lap dog for every other country.
Mr. President. I know you running out of time here. So about we haven't a chance to for you to speak to the Border situation yet. So I want to give you a chance to address that because that's always been really one of the your main issues since always since 2016 you want to build a wall the Democrats did everything they could to thwart that you built the wall but then B in left a bunch of holes in it and then sold off the parts for scrap metal. Yeah, we've had the problem and repealed.
Executive order so I want to give you a chance to speak to that just but one piece I want to just add in as a follow-up question is a lot of tech CEOs say if we fix the Border, can we get more H1 bees for Tech workers. So can you address that as well as what's going on with the Border?
Yes, so we built hundreds of miles of well David as you know, and we're very proud of it. We did it as per specification by the border patrol. They wanted exactly the wall that we did with the climb paddle on top with steel concrete and then rebar
And all of the things that they wanted they wanted to have Vision through it clearly through it. And because I thought about concrete plank frankly going up 40 or 50 feet and they didn't like that. They wanted to have Vision through and I understood that to sort of disagreed with it. But that's okay. We actually brought climbers in Mount Everest climbers to climb and we built a very hard wall to climb. It's a very effective wall and we built a hundreds of miles and then we were going to add quite a bit.
At the very end and we bought about 200 additional miles and it was ready to be put up could have been put up in three weeks, maybe four weeks and areas that were rough areas that were people coming in because as you build the wall, they go in different areas, right, they go further out the it was so effective. It was so effective Mexico gave us a lot of troops for free because of a certain negotiation that I had with them. You heard that but it was so effective.
Of the wall, but Biden they didn't want to put up those slats that we're going up routinely by us. That means you had gaps you had as an example you had gates in certain area that we put up we were going to put up big powerful Gates that we could open and you could let equipment through etc. Etc. If you needed it and they get rid of everything. They sold it for five cents on the dollar much of it five cents on the dollar. I said, I can't believe it and that's the
First time that I said, they're serious they actually want open borders. They want an open border. Nobody could believe it. I couldn't believe it because I never believed they wanted an open border because who would be stupid enough to want an open border? Look what's happened with an open border. I was very proud of that. We built we had the safest Border in the history of our country. And now we have the worst Border in the history of the world. We had a safe border. I had to remain in Mexico policy catch-and-release in Mexico not in the United States. Everything was so good, but the remaining
In Mexico is a big deal not easy to get but it was a big deal. They were in Tijuana a hundreds of thousands of people. They had to be approved to come into our country. And now you look at what's happened. We've been overrun. It's an invasion of our country by people many people come out of jails and prisons and come out of mental institutions insane asylums. And we have terrorists coming into our country at a level that we've never seen before. It's a very safe never understood why the wall was so controversial, you know, every country needs to have a
And a walls are really good way to enforce a border. I never understood why they were so animated about stopping you from building the wall after you ran on that issue 2016. They held you up for years with litigation. And then like you said, they wouldn't just finish the little pieces of it and they left big holes in it. And I think you're right. The only conclusion is they want an open border. I mean how else do you explain it?
They want to destroy our country, you know, the fact is it's incredible the big mistake I made I should have said
Ed I will not build a wall we do not want a wall and that will would have gone up in 15 minutes
the more important point. I think mr. President is we need high-skilled workers in this country. Yes. We need to recruit the best and brightest from world every time we get somebody super intelligent from India or Europe any country. That's what they're immigrants sir. Yeah, and three of the four here immigrants the ones without the ties and we can get these great people in.
Our country and that's a loss for it our adversaries and our competitors and it's a gain for us. But I've never heard you talk about this. Can you please promise US you will give us more ability to import the best and brightest from the world to America. I do promise but I happen to agree. That's why I promised. Otherwise, I wouldn't promise. Let me just tell you that it's so sad when we lose people from Harvard MIT from the greatest schools and lesser schools that are phenomenal schools also and what I want
To do and I would have done this but that we had to solve the covid problem because that came in and you know sort of dominated for a little while as you perhaps know but what I want to do and what I will do is you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma a green card to be able to stay in this country and that includes junior colleges to anybody graduates from a college you go in there for two years or four years if you graduate or you get a doctorate degree from a college you should be able to stay in this country and you know more stories.
I do but I know of stories where people graduated from a top college or from a college and they desperately wanted to stay here that a plan for a company a concept and they can't they go back to India. They go back to China. They do the same basic company of those places and they become multi billionaires employing thousands and thousands of people and it could have been done here and a bigger example is you that you need a pool of people to work for your companies. You have great companies and they have to be smart people not
Anybody can be less than smart you need brilliant people and we force the brilliant people the people that graduate from college the people that are number one in their class from the best colleges. You have to be able to recruit these people and keep the people. It was such a big deal. Somebody graduates at the top of the class. They can't even make a deal with a company because they don't think they're going to be able to stay in the country that is going to end on day
one. That's fantastic. Yeah, that's where I think we all wholeheartedly agree with that.
Being in the be in the tech industry. We understand the importance of that. They're telling us that you have to go to dinner with President. So thank you so much for spending so much time with us. We really appreciate it. It's been great having this conversation when you got elected in 2008 bring the 2016 election. You said the first thing we're one of the things you wanted to do was release the JFK file and then you said later I saw it and I just I wasn't really ready to do it. And then I saw a clip where you change your mind and you said I think
We're ready to see this file and I'm just curious what's in it. What? I don't know Dallas right now. What happened? Like what I actually did do
it. I released a lot as you know, but when it came to the whole thing, I was hit by some people that work for me that are great people that you would respect and they asked me not to do it and I'm saying why tell me why and they said sir. I think it needs a little more time and I released a lot but I said if they feel so strongly I respect that.
People and would have done that again. But this time I'm just going to do it
Paris K says the CIA killed his uncle. Do you believe that? Well,
this wasn't CIA that asked me but I think say I was probably behind it, but they didn't they would have preferred that are not released the rest of it. So we we did give quite a bit. It's going to be done early on a lot of people want to see that and whatever it may say, I won't say I said I have an idea but whatever it is.
Is it will be very interesting for people to see and we're going to have to
learn from it promise. I shall come back again, you know, there are other things other than a
release to we're going to release
amazing. What else do you got talk to you about it off camera aliens,
by the way, I generally speaking there are reasons not to release certain things obviously, but I generally, you know, it's transparency and I think it's important that we released that and there are other things to there are other things that you know about but people more than anything else they
The JFK files will get a release that immediately
you have a prediction for the debate next week. What's going to happen?
Well, all I can say is this I watched him with Paul Ryan and he destroyed Paul Ryan Paul Ryan with the water. He was jugging water at a left and right I didn't think human being would be able to drink so much water at one time and he beat Paul Ryan. So I'm not under estimating him. I'm not under estimating him. We it is what it is. We'll see what happens but you take a look at the last one. I happen to think he's in
competent for a lot of reasons. I think he's incompetent because he has gotten the worst policies both foreign policy and internal policy. I mean who would not want to have a wall who wants have millions of people pouring it who wants to have high taxes, you know taxes are going to raise by four times. If this guy has this place he and
cognitive decline. Do you believe he's in cognitive decline was
depressed. My I shouldn't be the one to say that but I don't think he's doing particularly well, but I didn't think it was well 25 years ago. I thought he was not a smart person.
And that was told to me by a certain member of the Kennedy family who was actually very friendly with me through a Palm Beach relationship and I was told that very strongly but so I was never a fan of his but I will say he beat he beat Paul Ryan still years ago, but he beat Paul Ryan pretty badly and I assume he's going to be somebody that will be a worthy debater. Yeah, I would say I think I don't want to underestimate him.
All right. I think that's smart while your team is telling us that they need you to go to a dinner. Mr. President. Obviously, we could keep going for hours and hours, but it's been really good. We could basement great great to have you for the last hour here, and it's been great to getting to know you with the dinner that we did and we hope that you'll come back on our show podcasts are getting bigger and bigger. So hopefully in your second term, you'll come on here and talk to us. Again.
Thank Biden would do this interview. I don't know absolutely not.
Absolutely. I don't think so. One question. I don't get invited. So it's an honor to be with you all very good question.
Appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Very appreciated very much, sir. Thank you. Thank you, sir. There you have it. Wow. That was some our boys. What do we think? Let's do a wrap-up, huh? I do do a little rap hear hoof.
Jake how what are your what are your big takeaways?
Well, I'm undecided as you know, we had a limited amount of time with him and okay, I'll just say it just say you like them. You didn't know you were to say it just say it because it's written all across your face to say do you like it and you're confused because I said I have some crush your questions. No, he crushed your questions and then you ask great questions and he just dealt with them head-on just admit it. I would like him you like him.
Told you you'd like this PSI Point whether you whether you come out here wanting to vote for the president or not. Sure. Everybody needs to I think just sit in a room and just hear him out. If you're if you are mine answer the question. What I'll say is there are some blockers I have that we didn't get to January 6th. Obviously I did you know, one of the blockers I have is obviously Roe v-- Wade, and I think he handled that question really well and I think we may have gotten a little bit of breaking news there.
In terms of him saying he would not do the national band and I think that's a big concern people have and I think that's maybe the issue according to a lot of experts. I'm sorry to sound like trunk. I agree a lot of experts people believe that could be the deciding issue of the election. And so I think he handled it really well by saying the states are going to choose and he's not going to do the federal University exception. He was very unequivocal about that really clear that he would not do a national band really clear that the states would decide and furthermore. He understood that the
It's are deciding there's been a bunch of referenda at the state level and they are generally coming out on the pro-choice side. And he indicated that he understood some of the votes are not turning out the way the people which is what people want 80% of people. He's gotta respect democracy. Yeah, he's going to respect democracy on that issue. Yeah, so I think he nailed that that question. I think he was very definitive about
Ukraine not entering NATO and I think he was very definitive about an H-1B policy that's Pro productivity and immigration. That was the part. I like best if I'm being giving grads green cards. That's like such a good breaking news to by the way. I think we elevated the discussion about immigration beyond the wall and into recruitment, which is what I have been trying to do on this podcast for a couple of years here now, so to hear the president say I will do that for you because I want that that to me was palpable and you know, there's a
Lot of things. I agree with them on and the January 6th up winning it to so apologies the audience on that. I know my people have feelings about it. But you know, you can only get so much from 50 minutes of interview. I think you did a breakdown of the whole town hall on that issue. I mean quite frankly. I felt like we dealt with a lot of substance here. So but your mouth I agree with you. He was really clear on Ukraine. He went further than he has in the past and the past. He said that he'll get a peace deal very quickly and that he wants the people to stop dying. But in this interview, he went further. He said that if France or other European countries send in troops,
The u.s. Definitely will not participate in that we are not going to send American boots on the ground the by demonstration. I don't think is said that definitively the way that President Trump said it moreover. He understood that a major cause of the war was the desire to bring Ukraine into NATO and I've never heard I've never heard anyone Administration say that and he went further and said they keep saying these provocative things about, you know, even now they keep repeating that Ukraine's to me part of NATO.
So he understood he understood the provocation there frame by where she'll take on him. You haven't come out and said we were voting for but this is your first time interacting with him. I'll be it for 50 minutes and group setting but we're sure it's fresh its ad if it's a difficult for them because we can't go deep and ask responsive questions and we don't have a lot of time and there's four of us try ask questions. So the format is a little difficult to get to the heart of the matter on some of these complicated topics like federal spending. Yeah 52 hours that yeah, and I think you need to just be able to like hone in on it.
Action, you know his response on how we going to reduce kind of the bureaucratic overhead and the wasteful spending in the federal government and you kind of pivoted to the Department of Education that's three percent of the federal budget. I want to talk about the rest of it and you know, we're at it took us 200 years as a country to add a trillion dollars to our federal debt to go from zero to a trillion and now we're adding a trillion every hundred days and it's going to take a lot more than just one to three percent Cuts in spending to get us out of the you know, the
hole that were in I also am concerned very I think very rightly so and I think he acknowledges the concerns that were mentioned by Larry Summers that tariffs plus tax cuts could lead to Serious inflation and economic contraction. Those are really difficult things to do together. Unless you have a very clear plan for massively cutting spending at the federal level. So I don't feel like I got to the heart of the matter on those points. And as you guys know, that's what I
So deeply about I think we need to fix the machine to be able to do the things we want the machine to do overtime and I'm very deeply worried about that. You know that a couple of reactions to that. So number one is I thought it was interesting how he reacted to the question about Larry Summers because he knows Larry Summers and actually said several very complex everything towards him. So he may not agree with him on everything but he said that Larry had gotten a bunch of things, right and he's interesting guy and and Larry did get the inflation call right remember at the very
Ting right the by an Administration so it was interesting. I thought that President Trump handle that question very tactfully I think it's not like do we wasn't mine to attack anyone anything like that? We really by he's going to do this Terrace thing. Anyway, like it seems like that's a bit of pandering maybe to the voter base. It sounds like a great solution right but I don't think he's going to do it. Yeah, once the economic advisor is get together and look at the analysis and what this will do to cost some things inflation will go up etcetera. You know, maybe there's a rethink ultimately on how that's implemented. And on what particular
Killer slices of the economy it's implemented. So I'm sure as you point out it probably gets tone down for this to you know to even become a reality. It's just on the second piece on the deficit, you know, Jake how you asked a pretty tough question there where you basically said look you're you're deaf. The debt has grown as much under your first term as it does Under by and remember that a trillion. I mean, it's almost exactly the going to be the same 6.5 to date from Biden seven point eight trillion, but I think he had a pretty good answer which was that look with the first
Or of covid we were dealing with you know, a depression potential depression. Yeah attention that economy GDP was down 30% Yeah. He talked about 1729. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So he Basics plane that we had to do that. But then after that we shouldn't have kept going and I do think that Frump is just not as big as Fender as Biden. I mean look binds been in Washington for 50 years. He thinks government's the answer for everything. He loves spending money and he spent trillions on covid he went after.
In need to so I get the sense that Trump was a reluctant spender. I'm not saying he didn't spend whereas by and I think is a eager spender. And yeah, I decided I think that Nick and wants to spend because it's popular. I just think it's their nature. I think if Trump had the power by himself to rein in spending, I think he would I think the issue is that the president by himself can't do that much which is what my follow-up question was, right? I was trying to ask him. Can you actually do it as president or not? Like is there the
With all to do it. I think the other aspect I wanted to see I'm really glad he talked about D dollarization and I he mentioned it up front. And so that to me really resonated it really Rings true to the effect of u.s. Spending u.s. Foreign policy so much of this is driving and I'm concerned about right driving the Saudis into the arms of the Chinese and and other foreign adversaries to the United States and I would have really liked to have spent a little time with him on the Saudi relationship where he sees that headed how the Saudi
And Chip will affect the Middle East and how the Saudi relationship could affect the US dollar and dollar reserves around the world. But I think he's acutely aware of D dollarization and foreign reserves in dollars being sold down and that the there are serious effects to that. I didn't hear a follow-up on my what the specific responses will be, you know to to the drivers there, which I would have loved to have spent a little more time off. What do you think will be the viral moments to come out of this if any what do you think the mainstream Media or
Or social media will take from this any moment. You think we're breaking news or notable? Well, I think there's a lot of clarity on a couple of important points one is no federal ban on abortion. I think that that's important news for a lot of people the second is this Clarity on h-1bs, which is very different from what has to be done at the border and I think that was very clear and new and I think it's very positive for our community meaning the Techno a salute. I think that's why I wish we we need that Clarity because
Trying to hire these people and we are losing them every day. And then the third was I think the clarity on NATO was also very definitive and I think that that's important the fourth which was an implication of what he said, which is a little depressing is I think there's a lot of us that want to see this Israeli Palestine conflict resolved. And I think what he's saying is we can't because we've let the genie out of the bottle.
We have an adversary now with the quarter of a trillion dollars of excess cash who has no incentive to negotiate it wrong. That's wrong. So that's really depressing.
And then the fifth one was around this JFK thing. I the reason why I asked the JFK question is not necessarily that I have a specific interest in JFK, but it's emblematic of it's a proxy for this deep State this idea of Secrets or this idea of there's a layer of people that are embedded in the United States government that decides on behalf of all of us.
And I think when you have somebody who can push back against that and use transparency and sunlight as the cleansing function, that is what we need. If we're going to rebuild trust in our government and institutions, we're going to need a lot more transparency. And if that one's hanging out there, why not resolve it it mean did he say he thinks the CIA CIA did it? I think I heard him saying that I think no idea. What I heard was he said I need to see what's behind the people that were influencing him not I think what he said was this way information up here.
Clear about that because it could be it could be quoted out of context. So we're going to need to see the transcript on that. You did not say that he thought the CIA. No, he did not say he said come anywhere close. He said that he thought the CIA was behind influence that were terrible. Yeah to not do it and he listened to them out of trust and respect for them, which I think that's a reasonable judgment in the moment Mike. We gotta see that transcript to my point is exposing that is a very important way of giving the influence and power back to the people probably know I've mentioned this
This quote from Mike Pompeo, which is really powerful but it's something to the effect of you know, the people in the top floor of the CIA do not believe it's a Democrat or Republican that runs America but that they do and he said that in the context of being asked. What is the one regret you have or some of the biggest regrets you have?
In running the CIA and Pompeo said that he didn't fix that. So I think that there's a lot of embedded versions of this establishment class that lurk in many institutions whether it's the EPA whether it's the CIA whether it's the NIH and if there are ways in which the president can unlock the data that's necessary or the information for all of us to have a little bit more clarity on what's Happening. I think it's important and I thinking of
many people that the JFK file is representative of a lot of well and then Dove telling that sax the foul she discussion where he said I don't trust I did I never trusted fauci and then kind of pushing it on like hey, do you think you should be prosecuted did we fund it or not? It seems pretty clear. He believes we funded gain of research. His position was I just didn't want to spend the money which I appreciate about it with China with China. Yes, but the money in China. Yeah. Yeah. And so, what did you think of that point?
Well, I thought that his response on that was similar to a lot of his responses, which is he did not take the edgy position that he was sort of being teed up to take. I mean kind of like same thing with like Larry Summers thing, you know, he he had mild criticism. I thought for fauci but he didn't go scorched Earth at all on fauci there and he said just trust him. He said yeah trustingly nobody. Nobody nobody trusts.
Asked him whether it be foil. She should be prosecuted. He's not take the bait on that. That's my he was very respectful. Actually. I was very surprised to hear how he respected fauci and how he framed the his response to that question. And I think that says a lot but can I tell you why you're surprised because I think we have been fed. This is what I'm saying. We have been fed A Narrative of what President Trump looks like now in fairness were also being fed A Narrative of what President Biden is like and this is why you have to see these men up close and personal.
For yourself because David the fact that you're surprised is less about the fact that Donald Trump has changed right? It's more the fact that you've been told a narrative and you've believed it. And so now when you see the actual truth you have to re under right? Hold on a second. He's actually pretty thoughtful. He's pretty presidential. He doesn't go off on people.
That's not what you probably thought going in because that's not what the mainstream media portrays about what you should be thinking about. I have In fairness. He has gone in on people pretty hard over the last eight years the counter puncher. I don't think he hits people unless they hit him first. I mean that's his pattern. But look II agree with Tomas here that my overall take on this unlocked. My position is clear because I wrote a long post on X endorsing Trump a couple weeks ago, but everything I heard here in this interview is consistent with
The reasons why I stated I want to support him. He clearly favors a pro-growth agenda. He wants to keep taxes low or and reasonable he wants to reduce regulations. He wanted to increase the number of H-1B. He's get the Dream Team over here for Tech while sealing the Border while cutting down on crime and blue cities they talk about how crime was out of control. He wants to negotiate peace deals. He I think understands very well.
Why we have this war going on in Europe overall. I heard a lot of reassuring things and I didn't hear anything that I would put in the category of a grievance or a desire for Revenge, you know, the media is trying to portray him as like / seeking Vengeance or something like that. And that's because in says he is didn't get didn't get this down over and over again. Let's be clear he said over again. I will be your retribution. So he may not have set it on this podcast. Did you get any of that in this interview?
No, I've just heard him. Say it 50 times the last 60 days so attacks, where would you like to have seen him before he played over and over again on see you. If you liked to have seen him be stronger or different on any of his major positions. What would you as his advisor advised him to shift or double down on a bit?
Well, I mean, I think your mouth is right that with respect to the Middle East the I think his position isn't perfectly clear because it's not only about Iran in the Middle East right? Yeah, but the truth of the matter is politically I don't know that he could say more and you know, I think that's just a very very tough issue where you're bound to alienate and polarize one side of the other and so I think he's sort of definitely walking a tightrope there. Yeah. I mean, I think it would never have happened like
I'm always like you know, like we never happened unto me. I would like to have a little more of the why why do you believe that and he never gets into the details? He just says that oil over but maybe he's right, you know, like when I hear Tommy Talk what I hear is someone who's a deal maker. He was a deal maker in business. Now, he's a dealmaker politically. He's willing to have conversations with anybody. There was even a moment when he's talking about Iran where he said maybe he could have worked out a deal but in any event, he somebody who I think is
Willing to negotiate which I think is a positive thing because I'm Celeste. I'm biding negotiate and anything he doesn't seem interested at all. I mean I didn't get to ask but you know, one of the things I had to doubt was here. I just think you've done a phenomenal job in talking to people who most people feel are difficult people to get along with, you know, Kim jungman G Putin and he gets his superpowers talking to dictators despots people who are cantankerous and difficult and he always seems to get
The better of them or at least get a least gets our interest As Americans aligned with whatever their interests are. So I take a look at this cute give him an A-Plus on that. Yeah, I don't be insulting. I'm that's like in the past you've said that he was embracing the dictators and he was kowtowing to the I think you've said comments like that in the past where notice that yes or something that felt like he was more trying to embrace and engage with them in a way. That's like, why would you avoid felt you should talk to everybody all the time, you know, that's not
Ian Sherwood from you know, it's never been an issue with them. I think that's about superpower the fact that he went into North Korea and stepped over in the DMZ use of a look on Kim jong-un's face. He just came to England just wants a little attention. He wants a little recognition and this idea like we're not going to give him any recognition is stupid because if you give them a little recognition now, you're sort of tilting him towards. Hey, maybe you could be part of this like maybe you could come to the west and see a movie premiere or come to the NBA finals as opposed to start lobbying, you know, just
functional missiles over Japan like me looking at you know that video where they're like setting up the little press shooting and the in the conference room with me. Oh my God, that's a smile on his face. When should I go over and Kim Jang hoon is beaming in your like he just played him. He played him like he walked 10 feet into North Korea and now Kim jong-un's like, you know what? I don't need this my guess my my big on.
Answered question. I didn't want to ask him about like da Leo's prediction of like the cycle of Empires 500 years six hours. I've cycled that. Well looks like counterfactual Freiburg. What do you what do you how do you compare the answers? You've heard to what you have heard or what you think President Biden's answers would be to the things that you care about. I honestly feel like there's a little bit of a Blinder to the question. Like there's a pivot back to what I've done what I'll do versus the like, let's actually talk about where we are in the debt cycle.
And this is exactly what like history repeating itself at the time that you take on all the debt. You drive internal conflict January 6 is a great bike data point you drive external conflict. We've had two or three Wars start in the last four years. How do we reverse those things so that we don't repeat history and we sat down with Dalia and we asked him this question. Is there a way to not repeat history and he said yes there is and we talked with Graham Allison about this and all these guys believe that there's a way to avoid it there have been moments where
we've nearly had the external conflict not to I asked him about war with China, but I want to understand if there is this broader kind of construct of what is going on because he he hits on all the data points correctly D dollarization increased spending bloated bureaucracy conflicts around the world without taking it all into perspective and saying man like this is where Empires die. I guess he does say that right. He does actually highlight exactly. What da Leo doesn't do ultimately does though, right like Malay has said to the populace wait,
Yeah, Malaya hasn't got next male staff and say I will cut half the people working at this place is he kind of did say it when it came to education? I don't know what your interpretation is where gentleman back to an entrepreneurial economy, right allow capital and I think he did say around regulation and then with respect to the bureaucracy he pointed to education. Yeah, when it that was a good example energy. He pointed to the EPA the right things are on his radar screen. You know, I just
for example were at this fundraiser that David and I organized was I think entirely different than what you saw in 2016.
I do think there is an opportunity where if you dipped your hand like there was a young man in the audience who answered this AI question and he talked about public key private key cryptography. It was beautiful. It was amazing very technical person, but there are all these people that are coming out of the woodwork to your point Freiburg if he can figure out how to build a cabinet with those people meaning these extremely technical thoughtful people. Then there's a real shot that you can change. I hope
That's why I pulled up some some data going into our conversation. I just wanted to hear this to you guys totally off topic, but I just want to say we can cut it out if you want but you know construction for the Francis Scott Key bridge, which is one point six miles long when it was built in 1977 with 141 million bucks about 740 million in today's dollars today. They're estimating to repair, you know, that's the bridge that collapsed in Baltimore. They're saying it's going to cost, you know, two billion dollars or more to repair that bridge now, you know 40 years later.
California's bullet train project in 2008 was supposed to cost 40 billion. We're 15 years into this thing. We spent 18 billion. They're now asking for 140 billion total to build 171 mile track. That's a billion of my that's a billion a mile. Let me just tell you this other fact China just start in the middle of nowhere. Yeah and China just spent three hundred billion to build 16,000 miles of High-Speed Rail. They're spending 18 million a mile that's two percent of the cost of the California High-Speed Rail.
The system 2% per mile. We are 50 times more expensive than China that is where superpowers shift that is where that is the fundamental premise of the shift that we've seen is the solution in the last 500 years. That's just time to privatize its layers of you know, these two men Trump or Biden which one do you think is going to be more skeptical of big government spending and which one is going to be more interested in being conducive to the private sector solving.
Albums, I mean to me there's no comparison. Well, which one which one do you think obviously Trump is is his all of his instincts are let's empower the private sector. Let's cut regulations. Let's make taxes reasonable. Let's get the smartest people in the country. Let's have peace deals. That's how growth what do you think creeper? I have heard conversations that there is an economic argument. I don't know if I buy it that one of the reasons that they're trying to leave the Border open his there is a
low-cost labor pool that grows that actually is beneficial to economic growth that there's just not enough in the workforce today to like think about the cost of building that Railroad in China versus the US, you know, the the average income in the u.s. Is a couple turns on what it is in China. You can also say you don't want to answer the question.
Between the two. Yeah, man. Yes this question more specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, honestly who I think is closer to your desired outcome from providing. I think trumpet hits on it like way more than Biden does. Yeah. He definitely hits on the concerns that I have. I don't know if he has like the path that makes me feel like great let's you know, like this is going to work Biden does Biden and and I think the other thing I worry about is the leadership problem with Trump meaning I don't mean him as a leader in terms of effectiveness.
Just this like Trump derangement syndrome is not something to be ignored and to be disparaging of the people that we all know that not we all but people say have Trump derangement syndrome. It's a fundamental like tilting that he does and he tilts half the people in the country he tilts um, and I think that that is really and maybe the other side of it as well. Maybe it's like psychological problem that a lot of people have it doesn't mean we should never worst president it so that's what that's one argument or yeah, or maybe he when he tried maybe there's a way to use unifying speech.
Instead of divisive speech and that is my other concern is just like or or you speak directly to the people and you end up where Jake L is at and where you're at, which is you've heard him.
Face-to-face really for the first time. I want to hear Biden face-to-face. I want to have a long conversation. We don't have known here is not agree. We invited by it on here too. And we're waiting breathlessly from to accept the invitation. You got to give treatment for coming on the show. Like you said. Yeah and took all questions. Yeah, so you got to give trouble Auda credit for that but Freiburg to your point about the TDS for a second. Look when Biden ran in 2020. He promised a return
Normalcy, that was basically his sales pitch. We had just gone through covid, you know, there were a lot of people who had TDS or Tilted by Trump and what Biden said is we're going to have normal see what actually happened. Well, I think Biden began this incredibly partisan and vindictive program of lawfare of trying to prosecute not just Trump but a lot of other people we had the Border basically opened up. I mean Biden repealed all those executive orders on day one and did
Create those holes in the wall. There's absolutely no reason for that. We had this war in Ukraine that was easily avoidable. If they just said the right things back in 2021, and I mean I could go on I mean on on the issue of tech like we talked about everyone feels Frozen right now. Crypto Kink and Regulatory framework. No one can do Ma. So have we gotten the normalcy that we were promised? I don't think so. And on the other hand what I heard from Trump in this interview was like it was sort of
Softened he did not go scorched earth when evenly invited him to he did not say prosecute Fouch agree. I will admit he had nice words to say about Larry Summers. Yes, he was, you know, I thought this was a very moderate sounding Trump. Maybe it's a different approach and I'm wrong and I'm just referencing the history with him and I do agree with you that the way he spoke today about people that have been antagonistic about him or to him like Larry Summers and fauci did surprise me particularly after
her years of him sending out these tweets every morning about people that are antagonist talked about him and it was quite refreshing honestly and it felt different. So, you know, I will give him credit on that point. I will I will like agree with you on that sex for sure. The point is I think that we had an opportunity to interview the president the United States and that was congrats. I think we talked about a broad spectrum of issues. I wish we had more time. I think he answered them precisely and I think he was candid and I think that he gave us new information.
Which I think is important and I think it allowed you guys to see what I saw which is if you're an independent or not a republican quote-unquote by name.
And you have a preconceived notion of what President Trump is like it's very difficult to keep that notion is my point after you hear him and after you meet him and I think that that's a very important thing to keep in mind because I don't think it says as much about President Trump as it does about the lens with which we are taught to think about all of these people including President Biden.
So I would just say you got to think for yourself and that's the most important takeaway and I think that we are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion. All right, everybody. This has been another amazing episode of the only in Pakistan you David. Thanks for getting President Trump to come on President biting you are of course invited. Come on. We encourage you to come on give us 50 minutes. Give us an hour and a half whatever you got now, we've asked we've asked for wait. I'm just restating it for the record. And if you buy some means somebody who's
Group says we should, you know talk to the wall and team since they're a top 10 pockets and every other presidential candidates been on who knows. Maybe somebody decides. He's going to be able to keep up with the group. You don't think he can keep up. That's the big challenge for the Rainman David Sachs to my party a tear your chairman dictator and the something of Science degree bird. I am
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