So did this experiment I went to club house, which is a new social networking app or Audio Only and I started a private room called the nature of reality. The point was I was going to record this conversation with a friend of mine just kind of riffing in the nature of reality and I was curious where would go and we just record in case there was anything good in there. Well, I made a mistake instead of being a closed room. I accidentally chose open room and next thing I know before I open my mouth. There's a whole line of people just in that room waiting to listen to
Two guys talk about the nature of reality. And the next thing that happens is a bunch of people raise their hands. They wanted to come and talk and I also saw some people I know the audience who I consider to be very smart and thoughtful people that I would love to actually hear the thoughts on this so I pulled them up some people I knew some I didn't and one by one we went through and we talked about the nature of reality. What is this whole show about it turned out to be a great conversation and there's some real gems in there. I hope you enjoy this one.
There's a guy who just joined. I definitely want to hear from him seek each an and DC he shed say. Hey Mom. I'm doing a little experiment. I was getting tired my buddy Kevin. We're going to talk with nature of reality. It was supposed to be closed room. It was just him and I riffing right and doing my little experiment and I accidentally started open room and then I started boom. There's only people him like a score they can listen to us. But while we're here, I do want to know Sookie. What is the nature of reality for you? Like when you look up at the stars at night welcome
What do you think this whole shows about?
Oh my God. I was not prepared
the question of all functions. It's just my nervousness experiment is
being recorded. No, you know, no pressure and it's recorded bless God. I mean I think about this a lot though. So and I've never talked to anyone about this or this might be cathartic for me. It's perfect. Do this pretend like no one's listening I think about like why is there something in
Stead of nothing like that is to me the most profound question. Where did this all come from? You know and why is like something existing even the default state of the universe? And I think that is pretty related to my thoughts on the nature of reality there. Is it exists? Hmm. One of the best explanations for the nature of reality is like it is basically equivalent to Consciousness. And as I get deeper into meditation, I feel like that's like closer to the answer where you know you
There was this Tech talk by this physicist where if a lot of the sort of contradictions between quantum mechanics and general relativity. There is a path to resolve it. If you assume that sort of the conscious Observer is part of the fabric of reality. Hmm. And if you don't assume you're sort of like an objective reality like everything kind of resolves. So I feel like intuitively that gets closer to what I feel is a nature reality, which is a simply it is equivalent to consciousness.
- and without Consciousness, it does not exist or rather. They are one in the
same to you going down to what the mystics have been saying forever. Right?
I mean I stand on the shoulder about
for really but you're also deeply versed in science, which is why I'm so happy to see you. I wanted to get your take on this. Yeah, so I used to think that matter if you have enough matter enough life that creates Consciousness what I've come to realize on the it's actually the other end Consciousness is all there is
And the expression of that is matter. Is that along the lines of what you're
saying? Yeah, totally totally. That's what I'm increasingly starting to believe and you know, you mentioned that I believe in science and I think you know, one of the more profound things I read Lakers two books that have just like influenced my thinking on this more than anything and you're probably familiar with both. But the first one is the book by Alan Watts, and if you haven't read it, it's amazing, especially if you're a nerd like me who's like super
neural into objectivity and science all of that because it sort of breaks it down and it explains non-duality in a way that with words and Concepts that I can understand. I'm like, wow, I actually am completely ignorant and the other one is called the Mind illuminated who wrote that I forgot the name of the author but the background of this person is fascinating. So he is like a legitimate zen master with a true lineage who understands how to meditate and it can explain all that well,
At the same time he has a PHD in Neuroscience. So this book is fascinating in that it like he you know, he talks about the journey towards Enlightenment and meditation but he also connects that with the mechanisms biologically in your brain and it's just like the most amazing book. It's called The Mind illuminated. I just love stuff like that where you know, it connects science and logic with spirituality because that's kind of what I need and for much of my early life up until I was 20
I was only you know fully focus on there's only objective reality. There's only science super atheistic and I still kind of a.m. But you know to now I meditate and I realized that there is just so much more about a universe and Consciousness to know that I that I currently don't
house meditating you've mentioned a couple times has that brought you to this
so inspired me to start my day. I start read the Alan wants to book first, you know, I meditate really for mental health benefits. I can't say like I've
I'm really deep insights into reality, but I get hints of what I'm talking about where you know what one of the things I've dresses Tech talk about this other guy who described like everything that we see and experience smell taste as like almost a desktop UI. So like you'll see this pattern where like I just like attracted to like Technologies for like really deep questions, right if you think about a desktop UI it is
For for files on a disk and he's it over things but under made out of pixels. It's not really what you're interacting with. Right it is like simply this like metaphor for what reality is and his analogy is like that is actually the same for everything that we experience in the world everything that we see touch taste feel smell is actually a simulation. It's an interface towards what the unknowable.
Objective reality and that this is basically the equivalent of a desktop UI generated by our brain, right? So when you look at a painting it is our conception of a painting but beyond that whether there is a real painting and what the nature of that painting is is fundamentally unknowable. And so through meditation. I can sort of get ahead of that where it's like I can truly, you know, I can start feeling how my mind is Conjuring up these Concepts and these objects and he's
Owings and truly see that, you know, at least see a bit more of how the nature of everything I experienced is fundamentally created by my own Consciousness aside from that. Also. I applied to business in that like it's just helpful to have a third person perspective on how your brain works and also every all the decisions that you make in a company, so I find it has many benefits.
Okay this I want to know how do you apply this concept of Consciousness being the construct of everything to business? I hadn't thought of that before.
That's not a direct application. So like there's like these more practical applications where you know, I think Daniel grossest cried meditation is playing the game of life through to third person perspective. Right? So if you play video games writer is a first person shooter perspective where you're looking through the eyes of the character and then there's other games like Fallout where you're looking from a top-down perspective at your character. And so when you meditate a lot you can see yourself and how your brain works and like sort of the gears turning.
And like experiencing life through that third party perspective and I find that as I'm getting deeper into that. It's really really useful when you're running a company because now that I have a coach and I've been meditating a lot. I realized like all of the My patterns of behavior, you know in past companies or past organizations. How much of it is like determined by these subconscious deeply ingrained traumas and patterns of behavior that
That unless you have this third person perspective is really difficult to be aware of and you can also apply that same perspective to the company as a whole where you know, usually without that perspective. You're like super insular in how the company is currently working the internal to the company how people make decisions and what I found super useful is like when I talk to other companies and other Founders and he come to me with problems, they all seem like so incredibly obvious and simple and like when you're able
The light just like tell them. Hey, have you tried this you're like, oh my God, that's so interesting and wise but we'll all it is is it's like just super easy to give this advice when you can see things objectively from a third-party perspective and so being able to access that you know in work has been really really useful
to do that for your own life acts as a third party perspective for you and self.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, I wish I did more of that when I was younger, but certainly the practice of meditation helps a lot right like
How am I reacting to things in the moment whether it's like friendships or family, right? Like just being able to notice things right? So when you meditate, you know, you're asked to just notice right and you're like why at first I liked it. You don't really get it. But like that actually is the practice right and it's like bringing to the surface just how little we notice about how we react to things whether consciously or unconsciously and just bringing that
To a conscious level and acting with intention is applicable not just the business but every aspect of life
as I should thinking something like this, I was walking by the ocean today. I was thinking what if pretty much everything my mind is told me all my life is a lie. It's all just there's no facts. It's all just made up stuff. And what is it that I should just choose to believe is the truth and just told everything else out as a lie.
I mean, that's how our brains I think work. You know that is sort of I think the nature of reality it is inherently made up by your brain and it is really difficult to change people's minds because like what is true to them is true. I think there's something deeply profound about that and not to get political but I think that is like
why not to get political but I think
about like, you know, we're literally trying to bridge realities and of people live experiences and like it's very difficult to say like
Is actually objective reality and the more I meditate I feel like it isn't the case. And so the only way to actually Bridget isn't through facts because like facts do not convinced but like understanding someone else's reality gives you a shot understanding and conciliation. And so that's kind of what I think about is well.
Yeah, that's profound understanding someone else's reality. It's very easy to just throw our thing Kevin. Go ahead man.
Yeah, I think just to take that to another level and CPI.
II really loved everything that you shared their especially points that you began making at the end, but if the nature of reality is that it's all perception.
And you know Kamal you mentioned that what if the past that you had mentioned was all alive. Well, what if it wasn't a lie would have I was just a perception it was contrary to everything that you're now about to think, you know, and so you've got different receptors you've got different ways of processing and so what if you know, someone else's perception isn't reality at all and yours isn't it either but it's just all perception, you know, whether the nature reality. Is that there?
No reality. There's just our perception of what is you know, that reality is created. Yeah, I think that is the case. I mean, I think it's like this unknowable whether a reality what the nature of reality is and whether it exists at all, like all we know is sort of that desktop UI that we experience like day-to-day and we think that is the nature of reality but like just truly understanding that everything is actually Consciousness. Everything can only be understood through the
mind and the limitations of Consciousness makes you understand like just how little you can know so come all you asked for so what's next. So what's next? So I'm going to take this in an even deeper level. We'll see if we all get the next we all kick off of Clubhouse or we have a breakthrough here, but you know much of the conversation about reality in many humans conversations, especially in developed countries, but maybe in all countries maybe in all societies has been you know this
Except of God and we just talked about where the reality exists or whether it's just perception and one of the arguments that I've made for a long time coming from religion studying and looking is that I can definitively prove that God exists.
What I can't prove is that if God is the creator of man or a creation of man.
Okay, you have my attention man,
you know that so have you know, I mean God definitely exists without any argument from The Atheist to the most, you know, strong theists to the monotheists to the multi has to all that God definitely exists because we have this conversation at this moment. So that is not subject to conversation. The question is did God pre
Exist before man and create us or was it a construct that man created to encapsulate the unexplainable? That's the real question you whether it exists or not. It's part of our conversation. So we know that that exists and I think that's very much the same about reality does reality exists in are we observing it?
Or does our perception our need for our perceptions to be validated create this thing that we call reality because we need to have confidence in the permanence of our perceptions.
Let me see. We have a couple other people on let's see what they think Annalise. Hello. You were laughing
earlier. I was yes apologize. This is actually my very first chat room. No kidding. It's nice. It is
like looking Club.
It's either this or in a million years teaching you to be millionaires and selling your coaching programs. So, you know, that's your choice. Welcome to Club House. Congratulations on being
here. Yeah. Thank you. This conversation is amazing and I have so much to say or I should say add to it because so much of what all of you are saying is brilliant and very accurate but there's an element that is worth discussion. I should say which is we keep asking what is reality.
We all can see that reality seems to be up for debate right now, which is strange concept to really internalize. But what if the nature of reality truly is just how many people agree on one reality if the more energy that goes towards one idea being real cultivates into a more concrete reality offending
sense. Tell me more
Yeah. So basically, I mean I agree I reality doesn't stretch past.
More than what you believe to be true. I don't believe there is a fixed reality. I think very much that you create a reality based off of what you're taught how your programs what your you know told is true and I think at a certain time especially now with all of our day-to-day routines kind of being stretched and pushed around that we're starting to understand our question like why
Did I believe this or why has this been routine? Why is this the reality that we're all agreeing on are these things actually optimizing our Human Experience are these things? What are these things what is reality? So more or less for me something I've really been contemplating this year is it seems like the more the more people agree on what a reality is the more concrete that becomes almost in a matrix sense if you will the more tangible.
Believable or more power goes into cultivating said reality to experience.
Have you read American Gods by Neil Gaiman? I have not so it's actually a new game is brilliant author and the whole concert American Gods is that when the immigrants came to America they brought the gods with them the Vikings brought the Norse gods the African slaves brought the African Gods with them and how they brought them was by telling of the stories of the Gods by remembering them and the knowledge
about the people are forgetting about the gods. So the gods are ceasing to exist chicken or the egg got her man, you know, it's a hair because people are forgetting to remember the ancestral Gods the gods ascending ceasing to exist and you're using your analogy.
We create the reality by what we give energy and power to what we believe in. I don't weigh the series as well as fantastic. Yeah, it's really really good. It's now a TV show so highly recommend awesome.
Definitely check it
out. And I think Neil Gaiman was involved with it. That's why it's so good.
Yeah, but you know it does this brings up an interesting question because if this is an aspect of reality, of course, I think it's very complex and layered. But if this is an aspect of what creates reality then it brings into question, why is there so much sadness and so much destruction and so on and so forth if what we focus on
Comes reality. You know, why why if we took that kind of empowerment back into our lives and really started to understand the the power of our thoughts the power of our words and what we give Focus to constructs a reality, especially collectively the more people you get involved in an in an idea the bigger it grows. So yeah, it's something I think that we really are going to have to explore as a species in the next.
Videos is really stepping into this place and it really taking account for like what if I need to be more responsible. I should say with the direction of how I want to see things grow If I Can Dream It why would I not really focus on cultivating some beautiful things not just for myself, but for everything,
I like that a lot. I'm going to ask Justin to talk by Justin you are you're an interesting person to talk about this because you you know at which and just in that tea.
Evie you were basically streaming reality your reality to the world and now there's so many people streaming their gaming reality to the world. So Justin I threw CQ into this and he swam pretty well man. I opened this room completely just between camera and I we were just going to Riff on the nature of reality record it just him and I and I accidentally opened a public room and all these people wonderful people popped up. So now they just came to be a part of this experiment. So Justin when you look up at the stars at night, what goes through your head man, what is this?
show about
I love that question. Come on. This is a great question. So thanks very much for all. Thanks for having this topic. I don't know. I mean, I guess my wife's now subscribes to the simulation hypothesis, you know that were that the odds are that we're all in a simulation and I guess I don't know what that world consequence of it is but she's a big believer in the simulation hypothesis now for myself, I guess. I'm kind of a subscriber to the
to be that everything is just
exist within Consciousness, you know, so for myself, I'm just
you know, I feel like I everything that I experienced this phenomenon that appear in Consciousness and disappear and Consciousness and
I guess I have had a number of experiences while I feel connected to a deeper energy, you know, they're like that. Maybe this is just a I don't know simulations right word, but like a temporary experience that's like a formation of conscious energy. And then when it's over I'll just be absorbed back into the greater conscious energy of the universe, but that's much more like a felt experience than any sort of like I have any sort of evidence for that, you know.
But I'm I guess in my day-to-day I subscribe to the kind of Eastern non-dual philosophy of of everything just appearing in Consciousness and and I try to remind myself of that and connect with that as much as possible.
What brought that about for you'd like assuming you haven't always believed that
well for sure. Yeah.
What made you feel that? Yeah. That's
a good question before I was just living my normal life, you know like a normal Westerner mostly concerned with the day-to-day of you know, get it.
fulfilling whatever needs I had or things I wanted or whatever and then you know, I got some stressed out full story before I got so stressed out that I was looking for any sort of Salvation and then found meditation is one of the things that really helped me and you know at first it was just meditation like okay headspace like just try to follow my breath and focus my attention and as ADI stressor and then you know, as I start to go deeper into it and be more Curious I kind of learned this this
Idea of non-dualism and then also, you know, there's you can run the experiment yourself. If you can through vipassana meditation, you can you know, kind of like the examine the state of your mind and the things that occur in Consciousness and kind of realize that there was all appearing inside of this.
Experience. Yeah, it's do that. That was those over the last couple years. I've been my practice and I guess the journey for me has been more about exploration of Consciousness in words.
And I wouldn't say I know anything yet. I just like this is just the journey I'm on you know, I don't I don't think I really know what it is or anything. Like I'm I'm I would just say I'm a novice in a beginner at this exploration.
Well, you know the word you use feeling I think you nailed it there because this is not something one can know intellectually one can but does knowing of then you feel it. The feeling is a real knowing exactly and that's the hardest to
describe right? Yeah, that was really hard for me, too.
We'll be on the conceptual to the felt experience because it's I think that's what takes the practice, you know, otherwise people could just wake up and kind of have their insights and meditation without doing anything, you know, because it's very easy to say, okay, everything's happening in my mind. I kind of understand that conceptually within the actual feeling of it and feeling like it's that way and feeling like, oh the the sense of self that I have are the biggest thing that make it my sense of self or actually just phenomenon Consciousness just like, you know, I
would touching something or seeing things in my visual field or whatever it is that that's right much harder to actually have that felt sense.
Have you found your connection to anything deep in because of this our lesson because of this feeling knowledge or whatever you want to call it.
Well, yeah, definitely because you know, I spent most of my time for most of my life obsessed about getting things into the extrinsic world, you know achievement or or recognition or whatever and
Kind of as you and those were to fulfill this like sense of ego or sense of self and the think that myself told me that I wanted and then as you kind of deconstruct that and deconstruct your conditioning you kind of realize that maybe those things aren't as important, you know, so my attachment I think two things in the outside world is definitely lesson as I have progressed not all the way to zero, you know, like said still beginner, but I've noticed that you know, and I almost like it as a direct experiment I could notice how jealous I was of sir.
People in certain situations that were like more successful than me, right and you know 10 years ago was like very jealous and today I think almost not at all. You
know, that's interesting because it's always worth asking you know, how does this actually affect our day-to-day lives as one thing to have knowledge. Another thing to have the feeling and then also just how does it make our lives better?
Right? Sometimes people lose track of the idea that philosophy is here as a means to help us improve our daily lives. It's not just theoretical. You know, it's something that's very
practical.
Yeah, Cal of you've been quite impatient you'd raised your hand earlier. What's the show about man?
It's whatever we make of it. First off is a few ground rules. We all have to abide by such as gravity etcetera find the true nature of things in a
spiritual nature the tourist just
helps think about these things and play with them. My experience personally comes from multiple near-death experiences
almost died snowboarding background career and that and
From about 15 feet out broke my neck and my back
most my ribs collapsed lung, you know dislocated hip and
shoulders whole bunch of messed up stuff there. But in that process it was just really incredible to have that experience that feeling since you're talking about here
that everyone can feel in their own. Right synchronicity is guided me in various ways from mathematics and numbers numerology astrology the whole weird of wou kind of
world. My mom raised me in that and hippie ceremonies and
He's different ceremonies of peyote and Indian Asian various different cultures and I went hardcore science when I left town and got old enough to go look into the other things. I want to look into and deep realm of Neuroscience. And what is going on? What is this? What is life? What is the nature of reality? And what is it? I'm still figured out. I think we all are I don't know if everyone has the key I'd say the nature of reality is how much you can play around with lowering your sensory gating channels.
And experiencing everything simultaneously while also experiencing nothing.
It sounds kind of trippy. But if anyone's everybody tation psychedelics, it's like
yeah meditation psychedelics are many Avenues, but I think all the roads and all the doors lead to the same room or the same parking lot.
What's in the room what it depends on what you're going for their what I
see in the room is again that everything and nothing experience where you are it's so you can't put words to it. It's beyond language.
Which language is too young to describe What the deeper aspects of our brain know how to experience gonna operate and find that in connection with others and mirroring others that that love is sort of the key to a lot of the stuff. There's something funky going on with love. I mean like true love, you know, whether it's romantic or unconditional these various forms and stages of love, but don't worry we tap into that the more we get to shape our own realities to create what we want more of that or less of that.
And how you deal with curve balls going through that. So the nature of reality for me is exploration observation Knowledge Learning helping sharing growing expanding exponentially and just having fun floating and flowing the whole way through, you know, go watch and Bill Hicks and so George Carlin and this is some Terence McKenna and listen Kemal and Duvall and Kevin and CP and Justin everybody now and at least
It's all of us were all co-creating in various different ways and it's constantly collapsing and folding in on itself and thankful. That science is starting to catch on to some of those things that ancient philosophers have been telling us for a very long time. Thanks Pat. Thanks for
sharing that that actually brings have a question I have for Justin and CK because both of them were talking about meditation when you are bringing that space of meditation that has helped bring you closer to a feeling of what this whole show connecting us to consciousness.
Is there any other feeling like the classic fundamental Rock feel is that we talked about like love, for example, I like the Buddhist talk about compassion those feelings there as well.
Yeah, you know that conversation triggered a thought and I can connect it to what you were saying about meditation God if we're going to talk about reality. You know, I'm going to go with what is
love go for a bit
and you know, when you're deep in the meditation, you know people talk about the sense of connectiveness, right? Like if the nature of reality is
Consciousness you are like melting into that Collective Consciousness. And so when I think about how to connect that with love and connectiveness, I think about you know, Scott Adams like it's kind of a I don't really like his politics but he
wrote this book called God and I follow your Twitter
God's knavery he does. He actually follows me on Twitter. Like does he really thousand people he follows? I have no idea. Why when did he randomly decided he followed me and like so it's odd. But anyway that
That's beside the point. So he rose at this book. I thought was really interesting because to rehab Reddit weight actually it wasn't that book God's favor is interesting, but I'm not thinking of Scott Adams. I think about a short story that I don't know if you were I don't think you're aware the egg the
egg very very different writers completely different stories, by the way. Yeah,
you can stay like it's evolved thing. But to me
me the nature of Love is tied to Karma in a very deep way, right? The nature of love is to understand that you are literally every other person in the world and at some point in your sort of conscious experience, you will actually be that
person. I've asked you something say gay feel comfortable doing this. Yeah. Would you mind pulling up the egg and reading it? Okay, it's only been recorded and going, you know bunch of people listening. No pressure. Hey, it's a game-changing short
story. How long is okay, that's all
No, take my class of five minutes. All right adjusted, but as it happens in his photo can read it.
It's no CDs got a gonna do it. It's going to be great. I'm gonna go for it. All right. Take it out ABS. All right, the egg by Andy where you were on your way home when you died, it was a car accident nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless, you left behind a wife and two children. It was a painful death the EMTs tried our best to save you but to no avail your body was so utterly shattered you were
Better off trust me. And that's when you met me what happened you asked where am I you died? I said matter-of-factly no point in missing words. There was a truck and it was skidding. Yep. I said I died. Yeah. Don't feel bad about it. Everyone dies. I said you looked around there was nothing - just you and me. What is this place you asked. Is this an afterlife or less I said.
Are you caught you asked? Yep, I replied I'm God, but my kids my wife. He said what about them? Will they be? All right. That's what I like to see I said you just died and your main concern is for your family. That's good stuff right there. You looked at me with Fascination to you. I didn't look like God I just look like some man or possibly a woman some vague authority figure maybe more of a grammar school teacher than the all
Mighty don't worry I said they'll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way didn't have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside the will be secretly relieved to be fair. Your marriage was falling apart. If it's any consolation, she'll feel very guilty for feeling relieved. Oh, he said so what happens now do I go to heaven or hell or something? Neither? I said you'll be reincarnated. Ah, you said so the Hindus are right. All religions are right.
Their own way. I said walk with me you follow along as we strolled through to void where we going. Nowhere in particular. I said, it's just nice to walk while we talk. So what's the point then you asked when I get reborn I'll just be a blank slate right eye baby. So all of my experiences and everything I did in this life won't matter not so I said you have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don't remember them right now. I
Stop walking and took you by the shoulders. Your soul is born magnificent, beautiful and gigantic that you can possibly imagine a human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It's like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it's hot or cold you put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel and when you bring it back out, you've gained all the experiences it had you've been in a human form for the last 40 years. So you haven't stretched out yet and felt a rest of your immense.
Is this if we hung out here for long enough you start remembering everything but it's just no point of doing that between each life how many times have I been recalled incarnated then? Oh lots lots and lots as in lots of different lives. I said this time around you're going to be a Chinese peasant girl in a year 540 ad wait what he stammered your send me back in time. Well, I guess technically time as you know it.
Only exist in your Universe things are different where I come from. Where do you come from? You said? Oh sure. I explained I come from somewhere somewhere else and there are others like me. I know you want to know what it's like there, but honestly, you wouldn't understand. Oh, he said a little let down but wait if I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point sure happens all the time and with both lies only in
We're of their own lifespan. You don't even know it's happening. So what's the point of it? All seriously, I asked seriously you're asked me for the meaning of life. Isn't that a little stereo typical? Well, it's a reasonable question you persisted. I looked you in the eye the meaning of life. The reason I made this whole universe is for you to mature. You mean mankind you want us to mature. No, not you I made this whole universe for
are you with each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect. Just me. What about everyone else? There is no one else I said in this universe there is just you and me you stared blankly at me, but all the people on earth.
all you different incarnations of you
Wait, I'm everyone now you're getting it I said with a congratulatory slap on the back. I'm every human being who ever lived or who will ever live. Yes. So, I'm Abraham Lincoln and your John Wilkes Booth to I added I Hitler you said appalled and your the millions. You killed. I'm Jesus and you're everyone who followed him. You fell silent every time you victimized someone nice.
Said you were victimizing yourself every act of kindness you've done you've done to yourself every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was or will be experienced by you you thought for a long time. Why you ask me? Why do all this because someday you will become like me because that's what you are. You are one of my kind. You're my child. Whoa, you said incredulous you mean? I'm a God. No, not yet.
Yet you're a fetus your slow growing. Once you've lived every human life throughout all time. You will have grown enough to be born. So the whole universe you said is just an egg. I answered now it's time for you to move on to your next life and I sent you on your way.
CK. Wow, dude, giving you calling man. He's gonna be reading poetry and books online. I'm gonna be a professional audio recorder.
Yeah.
Wow, that's story. It just gives me chills every time I read it or
hear it.
Yeah, you watch Soviet nature of love and nature of
love. So what you do to another you do to
yourself and if you know that and you still feel good about doing yet then I think you should feel good about it. But if you don't probably at that is like the nature of evil, right? Like if you knowing that you wouldn't like it and you still sort of do it that is to me the definition of love and hate good and evil
years ago. I backpacked in the Himalayas and I went to Darkness all over the Tibetan Monks, you know where they fled
Thomas LED after the Chinese invaded Tibet and I spent some time hanging out there talking to people. I talked with some of the monks and I heard about monks. A lot of them had been imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese before and I talked about how it would while they're being tortured. They were working to feel compassion for their torturers. I said, oh my God, what a practice what that must take to go beyond your immediate self and work on compassion for your tortures. Hi Samantha. Hi.
How are you? Welcome to a little show. Yeah, I've been really enjoying listening to this. I have something to say about the
compassion towards tortures, but I also wanted to say to see key. Yes. Thank you for reading that. You seriously embodied that like childlike Joy of freedom of expression and I was giggling while listening to this story that has made me cry so many different times and I love those like different layers every time you get to hear it and you like gone through your own.
Journeys how you experience that story again. So thank you.
Thank you. I'm going to be sick. He's agent by the way and I get food. I mean, he's already because rates are going up every minute the point of
compassion towards our tortures. That's something I've been working with a lot recently. That's brought me a lot of Peace recognizing that we are all
these fetuses these
children as well our inner
child on top of that like we are all healing.
So if you're able to look at like the most nefarious entity or person or whomever on the planet even corporations, you can imagine how much trauma is hidden behind all of that like Greed for power and abuse and what have you that the tortures bestow upon others because of their own pain and their own woundings and that has given me, you know on smaller scales, especially in
my own life.
Like this
Solace like this piece finding that Stillness and like understanding that we are all one that there's a bunch of bitter little boys and hurt little girls running around battling each other while they're trying to figure out
what the
the you know nature of reality is what the meaning of life is what they're doing here what we're doing here how to heal how to move through things. So yeah. Thanks come all for having me on here. It's cool seeing
You here I met you in Italy. I don't know if that was two summers ago. I guess
I was doing a writing Retreat. I was working on the floor draft of love yourself like your life depends on it. That's right. Yeah, and your books your book saved my life and
it was bizarre, you know, it was brought me in to that realization of like the remembrance rather of the nature of reality of the higher forces at work
because someone had
suggested your book to me when I was going through a Dark Night of the soul and
And a couple months later, my friend Gino was like come teach some meditation at this retreat in Italy and I was in the kitchen standing next to you and I was like, I need to meet this person, but you were like, I'm busy I need to go finish the writing and there was some partying going on there that you just weren't really into you wanted to stay in your flow. And I was like, why do I need to know this human and somehow it clicked in the next couple days and I saw you in the stairwell and I was like your book saved my life. Yeah. So, thank you.
And I remembered. Yeah, just you have such great energy and I loved seeing your name pop up on here and this conversation. So thanks for continuing to you know, Shine Your Light and do the good work.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I remember that meeting it meant a lot to me that there are was hiding from everybody being rude to everyone. I was being rude to people because I just want to be left alone to write that you were being so nice to me about my writing, you know sort of hide from everyone. So
now it's like totally understandable when
And that flow you need to stay in that space and I had arrived like the day after the party people had left and I like could only imagine that like high influx of energy were experiencing while also just trying to stay focused with deadlines. So I appreciated it. But I was glad we got to connect thank you for a few
moments. Thank you. There's something that this product the whole love and compassion thing in nature of reality. I'm going to share for a moment. You guys are my all you could always leave.
The captive audience. I wish you keep on calling Gary up over she'd come up and talk. Gary is amazing for everyone who don't know Gary. So in the late 2019, I went to Nepal to study with the bond with the mystics of Tibetan Buddhism and the bond had been doing this since before Buddhism came to Tibet. They are basically the ogs of Tibetan Buddhism of the other just Mystics and their whole thing is about Awakening and their whole practices. It's not about Awakening in the circle of life after a hundred.
Hundreds of rebirth. So reincarnation is Awakening now and how to do it and what they've done is for thousands of years. They've done these mental practices and they're passed out of oral and written tradition about exactly what to do in the mind so you can get to the point of Awakening like if you meditating and you get hit this point in your mind make a left if you meditating hit that button your mind make a right. It's a very interesting visualization based meditations that they do that's also has teacher there with you guiding you. I got to be part of a small group of people.
Well that went there and we're very lucky because they never taught this to anyone before and they did it for small group of us because we paid for the new Monastery. And so the person that put this together was a Harvard Professor who study with them for decades and they trust him and he said look your monks are dying out. Let's build your Monastery, but let's bring in some people who put the money in and these are all people might have that. They're serious. They want to learn but show them your teachings. So we got to do it for a week. And in that week they were about 15.
Us wonderful night in the Himalayas and Mustang Valley we're doing these meditations and at some point I've always got that where the meditating and I'm like, what am I? Why am I here? What am I doing? I'm in the Himalayas. I should be climbing mountains. I'm sitting here just with my eyes closed the entire time and through the process one day a few the people tasted it and the funny thing is one of the people in the group. She's I won't say her name, but she's the most famous supermodel in the world and she was part of the group and funny enough. She was the first one who wake got the Awakening. You know, whichever
I'm very very interesting but somewhere along the way I got it. I got to taste it and I got to experience it and I wrote a little bit about it and I put on my Instagram and I'm trying to remember what it was. I remember like I was in it in that meditation deep in it and they're doing the guidance and all of a sudden. Hello Gary. It was like if Kemal was the clouds all of a sudden the sense of Kemal was just clouds and the clouds just disappeared. They just dissipated and come always had just dissipated.
And all that was left was the solidness of what is and because I was surrounded by the Himalayas in the mountains. I would say I was like all that was left with the mountains and there was only a feeling and this would really surprise me. It was a feeling of just it was like a feel that was just a field of Love which one would expect and compassion and that surprised because I never expected that but that's what the Buddha is talk about. It was just this feeling the sense this underlying sense and
This underlying layer of nothing but love and compassion and no Kemal. Like there was no come on do it just as the solidness of love and compassion that you could just take a poll in and then slowly the clouds came back. Come on. Obviously. I started to just construct himself and came back and was really interesting watching that. So after meditation session we talked about what each of us had experienced and I mentioned what I had experienced and then the teacher said, okay now I want you to think of someone that you probably don't like think of a politician
Any named a certain president that many of us don't like and that will bring up some sort of reaction ex-president now and so I did I said, what are you feeling and you know what I for the life of me for the freaking life of me, I could feel nothing negative toward the sky and when I realized what he's just playing his character, we're all playing our characters that solve it is re just playing our characters.
And all I could feel for him was compassion for him put the character that he is. It was so interesting. By the way this faded, you know, I don't feel that now but in that it and I kept out for a while and it was so interesting because there was no forcing nothing when you go in that field when you were taking it that underlying field of what is and it's not any kind of like romantic love with it just vibrates don't know and I'm going to get woohoo, so I'm going to
Up, but it was really interesting for me that the compassion was there and that's what the Buddhists talked about and that note. I'm going to welcome Gary 10 Gary welcome to the nature of reality. Oh my God. It's such an honor to be here. I'm so glad I caught it. I'm sorry. I couldn't come earlier, but I was putting my one-year-old down to sleep. It's a great excuse bad, but I really enjoyed the egg. I mean immediately when I saw the nature of reality. I know we talked about this the other night, but I knew I had to come in.
And then seek you beat me to the punch because that I mean amazing reading and then thank you Justin to for sharing and thank you come on for having all of us tonight. Oh, yeah, my pleasure. It's a little experiment and is being recorded, you know, thanks to you. I recover say she the other night.
Come on. I wanted to say that, you know, I had that experience as well. The really experience of I want as on a Meditation Retreat with Dan Brown.
This is what Dan Brown as well, by the way.
With them Brown.
Yeah, we went started with the bots in Nepal. Yeah, amazing. Yes with the
monastery that you guys go. Yeah. It was all right. Yeah because he was raising money for that. I know so yeah. I had that experience where I did an emptiness of self meditation and I found that I was you know able to sit in Awareness without you no sense of self. And what was interesting to me was that compassion was there just like you said you no compassion was there it's by almost
like it was at a Tomic element of self kind of like a natural law. I guess. I'm awareness like a part of awareness that when the when the self is way, they're still compassion. And so I guess I just want to say that I had that very similar experience. It was it was really quite incredible for me as well.
Thanks. For sure that man. Yeah that surprised me later on as I thought about it a compassion, you know, you can think of love and compassion
itself, right? It's like why should compassion be a fundamental attribute of awareness?
Yeah.
yeah, if I may just a really important thing, please I think compassion is it's such an important tool and navigation to kind of release a sense of judgment or right or wrong and it really puts you into a position where you can't help but look at the world with understanding you
can't help but look the world of I may
not understand fully where you are within your reality within your perception,
but I can have compassion and
Understanding that one view does not hold more value than the other. So I think it is an absolutely important detail towards the reality and nature of our Consciousness and our existence and to keep things going. So just thought I would drop that
in. Thank you. Thank you for dropping it in and Gary. I want to hear you. So when you look at the stars at night, man whenever you have time to sit outside.
and just relax and look at the stars and think what was on your head then what is this whole show about
Oh, man, I mean when I really really interested very deeply. I don't know if this is actually how it works. But you know, the egg actually sums up a lot of it because it just I don't have necessarily I want it to be true, you know, and and then if you take a step back and think about it a little bit more we all have a choice about choosing what cosmology and what Universe we want to live in and so I guess that's sort of what I try to live by and it's really
Hard obviously and then you know, there is an aspect of the compassion just this sort of deep love for other people. I mean, I just like everyone's you know the hero of their own Journey, right? But I do also feel like the sadness because we haven't figured out the system's yet. I guess it just feels so broken so that you know, I think that you know the compassion I think it fades in and out, but you know when I when I really
Try to introspect about where we're at in the universe. And why are we here?
That's sort of where I go. And then it's like what can we do and then it sort of attached to all of this other stuff that now I realize is programmed into me, but it's useful and Kemal we every so often like Star Trek the Next Generation comes up and one of the realizations I had very early on actually. No it was it happened. Very late in my life. I feel like but Star Trek the Next Generation basically programmed me with a set of values around how Society could be.
Be right Gene Roddenberry incredibly clear about sort of I mean, he was actually incredibly Godless if you really examine especially the Next Generation like it was sort of that's like sort of his most ideologically pure version of it. So, I don't know. I mean combining the egg with sort of this like technological utopianism gives me a certain direction and that's sort of what I try to live by and then the difficulty is like, I don't know if
It's actually I live my life to this point and it's worked out for me to sort of Orient around the march of technology. And obviously it gives me a lot of pause to see what the impact is and I think we're just trying to make our way. How do we actually build that better thing? I do actually think the world is reforming into a global brain. I mean, that's something that Justin. I don't know if you were there, but when Yuri Milner came to speak at wife
Combinator I feel like that was a really powerful moment because that really stuck out in my head that that was why he funded Facebook, right? And he said that all the world is basically reforming into a global brain and where I go with that is that's fractal. I guess my experience as a human being I realized is actually, you know, my struggle did a day is actually I'm composed of actually not one person but like a cacophony of many different wants needs and desires.
Fires and I'm speaking to all of you through this magic of the internet from my prefrontal cortex. It's this Language Center that wants to believe it's in control and yet there is a lot of Neuroscience and a lot of religious Traditions that sort of suggests that we just want to believe that you know, the self exists. We want to believe that this prefrontal cortex has control and so that is what like society as a whole is also experiencing, right?
Right. We all have very different wants and needs and desires. Like I want to eat a cheeseburger, but some other part of me is like don't you want to live long enough to see your kids grow up, you know and that conversation happens constantly and then I hate to like bring it over to the safety and swirl. But if you add a little go fat, you know, if you had a little bit of that it's like, you know, look human beings have been incredibly limited for an incredibly long time. Dunbar's number a hundred fifty people like agrarian society.
It's been four. So incredibly long, you know, what brought about modern civilization was the book and the book allowed us to instead of just make the same mistakes over and over again. We can you know, actually start building civilization and society and they literally call that prehistory versus history. We are still in the middle of that like we are still seeing that that took like 5 600 years to remake Society. Thanks to the printing press and then here
We are with like this insane. Yeah, I mean look at clubhouse right now. I feel like I've covered all my troops at this point. It's like look at clubhouse right now. It is literally like the coolest conference that can happen 24/7 about like anything you want. I mean, it's not even there yet, but I can see it turning into that. So I mean look at the operating system of like the global brain like booting up right like it's new iterations happening.
Every couple years and so we just live in this really insane time. I don't know if any of this is right. All I have is my own lived experience. And then now I'm 39 now. I'm still very early in my journey to actually even integrate myself let alone try to help others, but that's sort of what I think it is about I've seen a bunch of stuff. I think it is valuable and useful it was valuable and useful for me if I can give that testimony and I can help other.
People enter that world and make things for other people than that feels like the most important thing. I could be contributing right now in society and I hope that's right. And then the best I can do is hopefully maybe that progresses things in the egg and when you know, when I am everyone else when my admin passes to whatever happens next, right? Hopefully that other me or you or all of us will be happy that this particular
Qatar did what this Avatar did and that's the best I can do. You know what I think that's a great note to end this room on that's absolutely perfect. So thank you all for being here. Thank you all for sharing. This is recorded So if you don't want to be on it just DM me on Twitter and I'll take care of that. But otherwise, I may just put this out because some great stuff for share and CQ. Thank you man for that reading my God, really?
As your agent I am doubly proud of you.
I thought I haven't done that since high school. So I'm really appreciate you asking me to do that.
Yeah, I'm really glad I did. I was like, I hope you won't be offended if I asked them, you know, and I think it worked out well for everyone. So thank you all this was fun. It was a little thing between that Kim and I were going to do purely just for ourselves, and it was because of my mistake that I create an open room and you know Clubhouse Serendipity. Thank you.
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