Hello boys and girls ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of the Timber show where it is. Usually my job to sit down with world-class performers of all different types to tease out, their habits, routines favorite books, and so on that, you can apply to your own lives. This time around the format is going to be a bit different by request. I am the guest in the sense that I took questions. It was an ask me anything of sorts from people who supported my fans, supported model, way back in 2009.
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know. Thanks
Godly popcorn and all right. So I think the most interesting way to do this is just to kind of go around, have a conversation and people can ask their questions. Could be the question that you submitted frankly to keep it interesting for me. It could be something else too. But up to you, let's see. Sarah.
Like to go
first. Yeah. So I haven't seen you in 30 years which you may or may not remember.
Yeah. I was going to say. I know that name and I know that face. Yeah
yeah well it's Sarah Carly. Yeah I see you. Yeah it's been a minute. Nice to see you in a long time so it's good to see you. Well I had a question about something in the past two years that's been a significant change of mind for you place where you've really made a big, big pivot in.
You thought you knew
to the biggest pivot that comes to mind is related to Parenting. Fatherhood just never felt like I had any evidence to support that. I would be a good dad for a host of reasons and felt like since that as far as I know, is a forever decision or at least decision until you pass away. Hopefully predating your kids that I just did not feel comfortable thinking about pulling the trigger on something that's
and also, because
I do think on some level becoming a parent is fundamentally self-interested. I don't want to call it selfish but you are choosing to have kids, right? So you want to make sure you bring them into the support of circumstances possible for them to flourish. And it's, I would say in the last handful of years, as more, and more of my friends have had kids and then second kids and some cases, third kids. And I've spent time with a lot of those kids that I've heard over and over again from friends, you would be a great dad, you got to get on that train.
When you got to do it. So I would say that's probably the most material pivot and I can't say with 100% confidence. When are you the world's greatest dad? But I suppose the question that I ask myself but never really applied to this, but I do apply to a lot of other places is with question X or challenge. Why has anyone less capable or less intelligent or less resource ever figured this out and done a pretty good job and
Course the answer is yes with parenting and I just for whatever reason never made the cognitive hop to apply that. Same question that I put so many other places to Parenting. So I would say that's the biggest one that comes to mind seems like the next great chapter and Adventure. So we'll see where that goes. I have some prereqs to figure out first, you know, girlfriend partner wife mother of the children kind of situation because technically, I don't need to travel that path but that's where I'm
I'm focused at the moment. Thanks for the question. Nice to see you after three decades. All right, we can go in any particular order. So, I'm just following some line of sorts on my screen. Scott, would you like to go next not to favor? All the people with headsets? I don't know. We have multiple headsets down here, Andrew as
well. Yeah. So I guess my question is kind of dovetails with Sarah's a little bit? It seems like you're kind of thinking about maybe next steps for you and your career your you know you've hit ten years on the podcast, it sounds like you're Maybe.
And some new stuff writing a book and doing art. And I'm just curious, you know what types of new things are you exploring? And how are you may be thinking about the next, say, ten years of your life and kind of what's next?
Yeah, that's a big one. So, start with all the big start with the big question so we can get down to like, what's your new favorite pair of socks later. Alright, so I would say go back into that from the end of the question first. So next 10 years, who knows for me, I've never really had super
A long-term goals that are well planned out in part because I feel like looking at it from the professional perspective. At least, if you can hit your plan, reliably, pull up my point. It's probably too far within your sphere of comfort if that makes sense. And there are so many unpredictable elements that it's probably I don't want to say an exercise in futility because I do think it's important to have a plan even
That plan isn't something you can execute on perfectly, but my plan time Horizon tends to be. I would say, with most things in this six to 12-month range. And the assumption is there that if I do really well at something over that period of time, it will open doors that I could not have predicted or foreseen ahead of time. If that makes any sense. If you think about say the first book thing about the podcast,
That I could not in any Universe, I can imagine have foreseen what those would bring to the door. 23 years later, I just could not have even imagined, certainly, at least half of the things it would have appeared. So I tend to think of it in those terms, but some of the, the let's just say, side quests and
Alleyways that I'm exploring mostly relate to trying to break outside of what I've done before and there are few reasons for that. So one is I recognize in myself that it's very easy to not become complacent but to become comfortable with repeating certain recipes that you have in your life, whatever those recipes are and they typically relate to a domain, you know, pretty well. So, in my case, let's just say that's publishing. That's podcasting on some level.
That early stage investing and while I enjoy all of those things are facets of each of those things, I have felt a huge benefit in identity diversification over time. Each time you try something that's not really bound within your current identity. It buys you permission to do that over and over again and to open up a whole new realm of possibilities that you might not have considered. If, for instance, I viewed myself as an author.
I could have constrained myself further to being a business author and that was part of the reason I chose to. Once the success of the 4-Hour workweek, gave me a certain grace period within, which I could try anything because Publishers would be like, well, like we missed the first one but it's maybe get the second one or we want to keep them for the long term. So we can do the three hour work week, in the two hour work weeks of fine, if it makes him happy to do this stupid thing called the 4-Hour Body, and that's not what the publisher said. But
They were more excited for me to stay in my Lane, the 4-Hour Body, then prove to me. I could experiment outside of the lines that would limit me to say, the business category and then that furthermore led me to experiment with a lot of other things. So that is a long preamble to say that the areas that I'm looking at really closely right now are for instance games.
Just totally out of left field, right? It wouldn't fit neatly in my Wikipedia page, I'll put it that way, and cock punch in the whole nft craziness was an example of also doing something very far afield and I'll show you another one actually because that couldn't show this to you otherwise. So hold on a second. I'll show you this. For instance is a great book. By the way, this is the DC Comics guide to writing Comics by Dennis O'Neil with an introduction.
Action by Stanley, this is actually a great, great book. And I just visited Comic-Con for the first time in this case, in New York City which was huge, I could not believe the scale of it, I have always loved illustration and want to be a comic book pencil or actually this is going to suck for people who only have audio but I'll do some more Show and Tell, hold on. Okay, so this is artwork that my mom kept that is from way back.
The day, but just to give you an idea, right? Like these are kind of covers of magazines that I did way back in like, 95 96 and this type of stuff, you know, this type of illustration. I'm not saying it's the best in the world, but it's a long-standing interest of mine and reinvigorating that. So, part of what I've done is look backwards in time to guess at what might
It elicits a lot of energy recharge for me in the future. So looking back at what really activated me and seeing if I can explore some of those edges in the future. Furthermore animation is way up there and doing creative pushes, which I experimented first through the fiction, writing associate with cock punch, which by the way, if you replace that word with anything else, it is a pretty viable fantasy world but it was a way to take
Pressure off of myself right to publicly kind of position it as a joke and a satire. But allowing me with very little pressure to play with things that otherwise if I presented them as serious. I think could cause a lot of performance anxiety and insecurity. Because if people critiqued it I would take it very personally stuff like this. You know, masterpieces of fantasy art. This is Frazetta on the cover. Lots of amazing artwork in this one and those are
Whew. And there's certainly the new book project, but within the book project changing a lot of variables. So, for instance, and I haven't made any decisions around this yet, but the possibility of self-publishing, the possibility of taking that book presenting it serially. So sharing, like the first chapter or the first two chapters, something like that, having a private community of, I don't know how many people 100-200, people, maybe who tests aspects of the book and
And provide feedback and can like refine it over time and release a chapter a week or something like that over time and have the audience track it, the small audience, right, the private audience, track it in real time and then polish the whole thing into a diamond hopefully and publish it later which could be very much almost. Certainly at least a high percentage of that project would be outside of traditional publishing rights. I'm taking something I know.
No, but I'm creating a permutation that might lead somewhere. Very very interesting and there's a very long answer. So obviously I'm thinking about a lot in the case of say the publishing this is true with all the other games comic books Center that I mentioned. I'm looking for projects that will help me to either build or deepen relationships and acquire skills that can transcend that project. So,
For instance, if so cock punch. I mean you sure it succeeded in the sense that a raise two million dollars for saisei foundation, all of the proceeds went to my nonprofit Foundation to fund science and so on early stage science. But nft is as a whole as you may have noticed have fallen out of favor for a million and one reasons which is fine and I kind of anticipated, that might be the case. And so set expectations, very, very low upfront because you can't predict these types of market conditions,
But I learned a lot through that ended up doing scripted podcast. Met some of the best artists in the world to say, Dungeons and Dragons and Magic, the Gathering worked really well with them. So most importantly, prove to myself that I could work with a small team of creatives and we would actually get along as opposed to like be being unreasonable and overly stubborn and control freak and which are probably ways I would describe myself but it actually worked. And I was like, holy shit, okay? As a proof of concept, I
Take that new found confidence. You know that very limited experiment but the feeling from that and apply it to possibly something more ambitious, or completely different like
Animation, as an example would be very, very, very different iteration of that process. So sure if that answers the question. But that's how I'm trying to think through a lot of these things myself. It's not helpful at all.
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. All right, let's
hop around. Theron
my question for you. Idea is what's bringing you Joy these
days. I would say it's always a simple things, right? Yes I think we can search for all these esoteric means of
Satisfying, this quest for happiness and joy. And usually the absence of those things is remedied pretty quickly with just returning to Basics. So for me, I would say I experienced one of the most uninterrupted periods of Joy. Most recently, being in the mountains, spending first half of every day. More or less outside with my dog, getting tons of exercise in the sun, pushing the system, adding some stress,
Getting all the benefits of the hormonal Cascade. And so on that comes from that and then in the second half of the day spending time on first and foremost, the admin stuff of life is always there but really blocking out consistently and it's easier for me to do this when I have less time in a day to allocate to work when I have all the time in the world, right? And I'm in an urban environment. I can Fritter away all that time and 10-15 minutes distractions and up, not really a
Publishing very much and not feeling very good about it. If I have the first half of the day, which you could do in an urban environment to kind of dedicated to motion movement, physical skill development,
In this case time with my dog. So it could be some type of group class or otherwise doesn't have to be the whole day but really having that in the first half of the day then having a 24-hour period where I'm focused on something very immersive. Single-tasking without any distractions and in this case that would have been latter half of August September. And then early October, it would have been book focused and doing that in collaboration with
One other person who I'm deeply involving in this book project so I would say those are few and then along the lines of kind of week-to-week identity diversification. So that if one thing stalls or doesn't do well or as well as I would hope I can still have a win so to speak like chalk things up to a win. Archery has been great that's ongoing. Some spending a lot of time with our tree over, did it the other day. So my shoulder Albert killing me because I did it in over.
In a particularly stupid way. So I'm taking a few days off, but that has been a really consistent practice such that if I'm not in the mountains because practically speaking. I mean, you asked me personally what I'm doing, but for a lot of folks like, okay, well, great, and, you know, if you haven't to be able to put yourself in the mountains around rivers and lakes, fantastic, but even where I'm sitting right now, for instance, not tomorrow, because I need the elbow and shoulder rest, but the day after that, as soon as I wake up, it's going to be meditation briefly. And I just recently got back on the train.
Rain and we might speak more about that later in this conversation, then an hour of archery and then cold plunge, right? Like that's the morning. It doesn't have to be 45 hours, it can be quite a bit shorter and that sets the tone for the rest of the day. So those are a few things that come to mind on an annual level. I would say the most important thing that I do for my sense of joy and well-being.
And I think joy for me is very often the forgetting of the self, whereas the Quest for happiness, can sometimes get turned into a obsessive? Focus on the self. Does that make sense? Least. I think that's where I slip, sometimes it's like, I should be happy. I should be happy. I am, I happy. Whereas Joy is a sort of emergent experience of forgetting yourself. So for me to facilitate that, blocking out, multiple say, one week, periods,
Where I'm with groups of friends, that's just the most reliable way to do it. So, each year, I'll look through the past year identify. Let's just call it the relationships that are most enlivening for me, where they're reliably always going to be hell. Yeah, I wish we could have spent more time together. Can't wait to do that again. Those people, it's a short list and then scheduling time with those people in group environments, ideally doing something active like
Your tier Backcountry skiing or hike or in the case of most recently. It was a hunt with five other people. I don't hunt very frequently but that's my protein for the next three to six months, depending on how many meals, I can replicate with the exact same protein and those are some of the I suppose the variables that seem to consistently deliver. But if I'm out of sorts, it's like, alright. Are you getting enough?
Flight in the morning, are you getting enough exercise in the morning? Do you have your diet dialed are you in a place like New York City? Where surprise surprise like you've been out, you've had alcohol for nights this week, with your stupid friends who also do the same thing. It's very often, the basic things and kind of removing those emergency brakes that facilitates. What we're looking for, what I'm looking for. Is that helpful? Yeah, that was great. Thanks Tim. Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, so kind of like wine my way.
Round here. Let's see. Christina. Would you like to go
next? So holiday Kirko? What you're talking about, how you think about the next, whatever? 6-12 months, one of the things started really and more about. It's your way of thinking and questioning and not particularly with that us generalize for were taking for wool, the ability to hours, the right questions. Become questions, include questions is probably even more important puncture area for.
About your thoughts and how do you keep those questioning fresh?
Well not to get too matter. I mean that is a question. I ask myself quite a bit too so thanks for bringing it up. I'd say with questions is there are a lot of different settings for questions. First of all, you could ask me a question. I can ask the group of question. Those might be different species of questions asking yourself questions. This can also be a different species of question. And the way I keep questions fresh I'll give
A simple tactical answer is for instance, I Was preparing for a podcast interview recently and I had a research doc had read through the Bayou had asked the guests for certain topics. They thought would be interesting to explore it done. My own search and come up with some independent questions, but we all get in ruts that we don't recognize. And those ruts aren't necessarily a bad thing, but they're an easy thing. So I might have my
Ten. Go to questions and it's easier to sit with those 10 then to come up with another 10 which may or may not work. So, I went into chechi BT and I said, effectively, how might James Lipton of Inside the Actor's, Studio interview, guests x. What are 10 questions that are variants? Of questions that have come up a lot in Inside the Actor's Studio, give me 10. All right.
Great. And then the next was like give me ten more for Terry Gross. Interviewing the same person fresh air, right? Give me 10 more with Charlie Rose and it was very very helpful or if like 10 more with Lex Friedman. Sure. Why not. You know just throwing anyone who is not me basically and I beg. Okay. Like I wouldn't ask seven of these but that's an interesting one and I wouldn't have thought of phrasing it that way or it's asking
A
question that I think would be of service to my audience within the theme of the show. So I'm not deviating too far. Not getting too far afield but it's coming at it from an angle that I wouldn't have considered. So I would say those are all approaches. I take if I find questions that I like I save them, they could save them to anywhere Evernote notion. Where were you keep your notes? But I have documents that are basically running lists of questions.
And they could come from anywhere, could be a novel their questions and novels that I yank. One character asks, another could be in an in-flight magazine, those still exist, don't even know if they still exist. Could be practically from anywhere and then there are I would say consistent questions that I find very helpful which you might find in some form like the five-minute journal. For instance, those are consistent prompts that work.
To achieve a desired result much like a recipe if you're cooking something specifically, there are guidelines that tend to work repeatedly. Those are a few ways that I think about it. All right, let's hop to Josh. You want to go next?
Yeah. I was going to ask if you spend your life battling Tech admin stuff like we do but that that was the answer pretty quickly.
Yeah, there's always that stuff. There's always that stuff, I
guess my real question.
In some of the successful people you've interviewed have gone through long periods of being unsuccessful, or or rejected or bankrupt, or whatever, you've sort of documented, some of your own struggles, writing The Body Book. And some of the other things, I guess, what are some of the unifying themes about those who eventually do break through and kind of how to get out of a rut, you've already touched on, which was part of my question. But I think, you know anything you could
Elaborate on that. Somebody should be great.
Yeah, I can, could you give me if you're open to it, you don't have to, but a little more context for why that question because that could that could
help. I guess, you know, sort of taking a little bit of a career break as you have and thinking about things that have brought me joy in the past was certainly one thing that, you know, looking to do next moves. And I think the decision process that you've already outlined a little bit, is things that bring you Joy and you kind of
Arrived at a couple core principles of things that you're looking for your next projects to help you do. I guess just a little bit more Upstream from that how you made the decision to call timeout after the ten years and take the sabbatical and then know just how you sort of got out of the day-to-day of doing what you do. So very well. And you know, I know you've touched upon it's, it's hard to do that but just anything on that, that could share would be helpful in terms of how you
Relined you're thinking to do something a little bit different but building on what you've already done very well.
It's a few things so I could speak to my decision to hit pause or rethink things. I suppose there are few fundamental beliefs that led me to do that or allowed me to do that. You know the first is that constant Motion in some respects
For constant productivity per se is the enemy of oblique thinking. So if you're looking at seeing a problem or situation with fresh eyes and an uncommon way that allows you to make unique or highly leveraged decisions when you are constantly churning, I think it requires you to be this close to the problem and therefore it's hard to zoom out. So for me I had that belief to begin with
But not necessarily Stillness but having a little bit of distance is necessary for me to really consider doing X before the entire rest of the world does X. And I'm looking for ideally being a category of one. I don't like competing in my professional life in this particular way archery, or something like that. Great, you know, compartmentalised very clear, it's time-bound pass/fail. Follow the points great. But when it
And become a sort of Never Ending Story of unquestioned ambition within say the world of podcasting. Then I want to make sure there are periods built in where I have some distance, the other fundamental belief, and I'm sticking with the belief stuff because these are thoughts that we take to be true leaves. Our thoughts, we take to be true and sure I'm borrowing that from someone like Byron Katie, the belief structure is sort of the redraft upon which
Everything else floats and if you really want to have the most optionality with your direction, I think it's very helpful to make the implicit beliefs explicit and look at them carefully. So the other belief that I think is helpful I actually know quite concretely. This is not limited to people who are in the top 1% of 1%. The world does not end. If you slow down or take a break, it'll carry on just perfectly, fine.
Generally without you now there are constraints. If you're saying that you want to take a break from a job, that provides all the income from your family and pays the mortgage and puts food on the table, obviously, their constraints. But if you were to delete all social media from your phone and titrate down the kind of aperture of noise and news that gets flooded into your system, it'd be fine if I'd be better off. So the hyperkinetic
Setec feeling of modern society is not conducive or necessary for making making decisions without size outcomes if that makes sense. Those are a few kind of underpinning beliefs, and there are people who prove this, right? A lot of the people that I most respect in their profession, I like a Daniel Day-Lewis or something, like they disappear for five years at a time, they come back. No one's like, where's Daniel Day-Lewis? What are his latest tweets about politics? Like nobody gives a shit, right?
Long as you're really good at crafts X, you are going to have, I think a good number of options. So I'm Meandering a little bit but helped me. Refocus is there a particular aspect of your question that you'd like me to hit
icq really hitting on a lot of stuff? And you know, like you said earlier, some of the stuff about heating, how do you think about things that bring you Joy? And then you, you know, real on with your beliefs? Do you have there? I think this is really helpful. Thanks. Yeah. I mean it's inspiring that someone as successful as you at something has done this and taking stock.
And sort of step back because it kind of gives the rest of us. Hope to do the same thing. You know, even if it's just something that you're just saying, I'm going to take a step back and then do similar to what I'm doing and some other stuff, maybe in a different way with a different lens, it's just helpful to think through that to get the rest of us to the to the happy place. Yeah.
Happy to try to assist. I definitely don't have everything figured out. I would say. Also that in, this comes back to Christina's question on questions. If you're
Being a dead end or you don't seem to be able to reliably answer a question and it's causing you stress for instance like how can I find Joy? Let's just say that you've been banging your head against that question and it hasn't been producing great results. One thing you can do that, I will sometimes do is okay. Maybe that's not a good question but I think there's like a feeling that I'm going for. If I look back at the past like what are some of the antecedents to Joy? So maybe the question isn't
Like how do I create more joy? It's how do I create some precursor to that? And for me, one of those is a sense of losing the self or the dissolution of the self. That's another way that I think about these things antecedents
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All right, let's spray just going to work our way through. Wade, would you like to go
next? What I just want to say thanks for everything. You do like genuinely appreciate it. Love the content. Love with your about, learn a lot. You've been like a gem companion for me for like nine years. These nothing better than a good Tim Ferriss podcast in the gym, so genuinely appreciate that. I think my question is around and maybe I'm wrong. This is an observation of this do for a long time. She's like maybe
The edges of softened a little bit in regards to your life. From a personality seems like maybe there's a hint of spirituality that's evolved a bit since sometime been listening. So is there anything in particular that has helped? Maybe soften the edges? And is there a different perspective on spirituality than there used to
be?
That would save definitely. Softened a lot in the last five years, especially and maybe I'm just getting older and tired, who knows? But if we take that off the table as an explanation. Also, I think a lot of stuff comes down. I was talking to a friend and they're like, hi. I just, you know, becomes so much Chiller and conflict resolution is my partner after 10 years, but it took like five years and I was like, maybe it's just fatigue. I was sort of being a jerk about it and I'm just
just being playful. But if I take that off the table, I mean there are a few things that were proactive and also just life experiences, I think that contribute to that. So I would say one is seeing dozens upon dozens upon dozens of close friends or podcast guests who are materially successful beyond belief have all the prestige you could possibly imagine in a business capacity.
Who are nonetheless dissatisfied or chasing something like a Hungry Ghost if that makes sense. And the reason that's relevant is that a lot of the piss and vinegar and sort of Spitfire Focus that I've had, I think has been predicated subconsciously on some belief that with enough of x 6 x. That's
SS resolves. I'm not going to say all issues because I never would have said that, but most issues and that's just not true. It's just not true at all. I would say also, what I've observed in very wealthy people is that they build, they build the ability to know their number moves, they make x amount of money than they want 10x. And then no. It's as soon as I have 100 x and then it's, as soon as I have 1,000 x, then I can chill out and I'll know, everything's going to be okay.
And if you put that under scrutiny, when I've seen older people that I've spoken to say grandparents or people who are building dynastic wealth, it seems like this is going to sound obnoxious, but I'll just say it which is like if you give your kids a ton of money, let's just say that's more than 10 or 20 million bucks, right? People who are making just obscene amounts of money, building incredible amounts of wealth. There is an amount of money pastor
Certain point, that seems to just fuck up your kids horribly, not saying that's always the case, but the I just want to create a better and brighter future for my kids and give them the things I didn't have. And thought, I don't know that. There's a point where more is a lot less from what I've seen. It's just my personal impression. So if you realize that the professional stuff is not going to solve all of your problems or all your challenges, let's just say
And if you realize in accumulating Scrooge, McDuck levels of wealth and then donate it all to your kids. If it turns into a serious amount of money is probably a bad idea. It's not just neutral, so you might actually really screw your kids up, then it raises the question. Why around a lot at least around the business stuff. I think it contributes in addition to other things that I'll mention too. Taking it seriously but not too seriously.
Taking it less seriously. So that makes sense. And when you take those things less seriously, if you have been inclined to take them very seriously and consequently yourself very seriously. I think by taking those things, less seriously, start to take yourself a little less seriously. Like these conversations also about Legacy and like, leaving something to be remembered. They're helpful in some cases like those myths, but it's like, how many people can name the most powerful people in the world?
World when the Assyrians were running around, you know, how many people can name the most powerful Babylonian Alexander, the Great. What's his full name? Nobody knows. So it's like so the idea especially with the amount of information overwhelm that is our current day. The idea of also creating some permanent record of yourself that this persists over, like, more than 10 years after you're dead. If you're lucky, is kind of silly.
I mean, it's a little silly, but we all need reasons to do things. And actually, I think, Josh, you're asking about people who failed and failed and then succeeded, I think myths are very helpful here, so, coming up with Miss. Whether that is, like, when I have enough money, it's going to solve everything great like, that's an incredible incentive or the myth that like I am. The only person in the world who's destined to create this amazing piece of art, okay? Like maybe that's true, it's probably myth but it can be very empowering this
With and it makes me think of Seth go and you said I'm paraphrasing but, you know, past a certain point money is story. So pick a story, you can live with the benefits you instead of handicaps. You then on the spirituality side, I generally steer away from that term, it's a useful term because there isn't a great replacement in some conversations but it can get used in a lot of different ways. But I would say that my
Openness to it's not even openness it's like my recognition that the more we know the more we realize we don't know I think has opened my mind as have a lot of strange experiences that I've had with whether it's psychedelics or otherwise it's not limited to that and I explore the fringes, right? I mean, I really do and I try to keep my Skeptics hat on. I think I'm actually quite good at not fooling myself and I will ask
What are the alternate explanations for this? How might this otherwise be explained? Etcetera, etcetera. But there's a lot of strange stuff out there. It doesn't mean it's magic, but it does highlight. Sometimes the limits of our current abilities, to kind of measure and freeze frame things for scientific studies. So those are all contributors. I would say in the bucket. Broadly, speaking of not taking myself to too seriously. If my work is a subset of myself and it applies to that too.
Would be having a lot of friends die. Like, I've had lots of friends pass away. If it people get very sick, I've seen people succumb to dementia, as you get older and you see more and more of this
It just highlights the fact that this ride is not, it's not a long ride and I'm not convinced that, you know, death is the end necessarily but still, we don't know, you know, let's not spend the entire roller coaster worrying about, you know, whatever Trump said, on your phone, like roller coasters, I can last forever. So focusing know, taking the view and I'll poke the person next to you and try to share a laugh because it's just not
That long and even if you come to a quote-unquote natural and an old age it's not long but sadly I've lost a lot of friends and acquaintances, certainly to car accidents. I mean, you name it, like you just don't know. So I think the softening is around a lot of that, the softening also comes from, I think exploring different modalities for trying to metabolize the childhood abuse that I've
I've talked about elsewhere and
That requires a degree of cultivating compassion, for yourself that I historically, have not paid a lot of attention to. It's hard for me to see any way around. Developing compassion, more compassion for yourself if you want to genuinely Express compassion for other people. I'm not sure there's a workaround there, thought about this quite a bit, it goes both ways. But fundamentally I think that's a homework assignment for a lot of
Well, that if I'm not going to say solved, but if that is paid, sufficient attention has all these Downstream benefits. One of which I think is just a general softening, that would say. So those are the things that come to mind.
I want to thank my that was awesome.
Yeah, shit. Yeah, my pleasure. All right, so faces of moved around a little bit. I'll try to keep track. I think I can keep track of who's gone, who hasn't, you know, since Tim is up in the corner, next to me I'm going to go with Tim, you want to go next?
Yeah, again thanks for all you do and certain amazing journey from your books, through your podcast, journey and and cocked on CH love the
coffee. I've got some right over there, I'm still drinking it.
So, I had a question that was kind of tuned to all these longevity, protocols with AI and all the latest research that's coming out as far as the compounds, the protocols. Like, how do you keep up right for you? I've been introduced to Peter, Atiya and Russia, Berman laying Norton and a lot of other great kind of
Temporary leading-edge. Science. Backed information, Seekers and delivers. So how do you approach handling that? Especially with this, we're in the age of AI now so that was going to be my machine. That's what I submitted but on the topics that you just have been going through and it's in my own life. I'm realizing these instances. You know, when people are passing my dog, Pepper passed away just like two months ago. What are you?
Deal with grief. And how is that something that is far as your approach something that you see is helpful, something to be avoided. I mean you're kind of all through. It was what the information. You just been walking us through but just kind of with Greece because you only have so much time, right?
Thanks. Yeah for sure, suddenly griefs. I definitely don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's part of the human condition. No expert. But I would say
Say a few things that this kind of comes back to weights, question about spirituality in the sense and I will come back to the longevity. Protocols and so on might as well talk about that. But I think that the baby has been thrown out with the bath water in some respects with the stripping away of religion.
From, let's just call it modern secular society. And what I mean by that is not that we should believe in a guy with the beard in the clouds. I'm not saying that, but that there are cultural milestones. In some cases Rites of Passage these markers, along the way on this journey of life that are codified and say religion. And in some cases, I can be very helpful. So, for instance,
In mourning periods. Will sometimes be very carefully outlined and a group of people will agree with this type of death. You mourn for this period of time. Here's the protocol. Maybe you were black and so, you can have a feeling of completeness and perhaps closure, within the construct of this societal Norm, right? We don't really have that, like, it's left up to everybody to sort of create our own.
Now, I'm not saying this for everybody, there are certainly plenty of religious folks out there, but by and large, let's just say in places where I spend a lot of time. Austin, New York, California people are somewhat cut adrift and sure. They might be able to tell you all about different philosophers, they read in college and listen about on podcasts. But fundamentally there is a
Sense of being somewhat unmoored, I would say. So, the grief topic is a really good one, and it serves as kind of a, microcosm of the macro, it reflects the challenges within grief, I think reflect broader societal challenges the book on Grief and grieving is probably the most common recommendation that I hear from say podcast. So I think that could be worth checking out on the longevity. Protocols just to take
a hard left, I would say I really don't try to stay up to date with the longevity protocols in part because there's so much garbage and there's so many influencers, quote unquote, trying to Peddle whatever rev-share Stem Cell clinic, they've partnered with in Tijuana, or whatever might be the case. It's very difficult to separate fact, from fiction. If you don't have a really reliable source, I would say just follow Peter, honestly, Peter
You for that specifically. That's really his wheelhouse. He focuses on health span, I've known him since 2009. I've spent time with his doctors in the clinic. I've gone through bio graph, which he's involved with, and so on. So I have a high degree of confidence in Peter, and he's, I've seen him repeatedly turned down offers for very lucrative business Arrangements. In exchange for promoting X Y or Z, and he just won't do it. If he doesn't,
Really feel 100% comfortable supporting their conclusions of claims. So I would say, pay attention to that and, you know, frankly the more we learn the more, the basics of the basics for a reason. It's a creatine has been around for decades. This is nothing new, just took some before doing this conversation, right? Its present in a lot of food that we consume naturally, it's a known quantity in the body pretty well understood. As soon as you start getting into the bleeding edge.
Where it's like well these people are going to Honduras and injecting themselves with fala Statin. And look at these amazing before and after photos but like it does kind of like turn off your FSH and so might make you infertile and these animal models something like that seems to happen but like look how awesome is a pack looks it's like hmm not sure you want to be the third monkey shot into space with that stuff as a human subject. So I tend to stay away from the bleeding edge. I used to be very aggressive with this certainly in my
Or our body days. I was very aggressive with this. And I think in part because I was fascinated in part because I didn't foresee how nagging certain problems could be like, yeah, if you fuck up and have problem that causes like Orthopedic issues in your elbow? It's not a foregone conclusion, that that's going to be fixed a year later. You might have just have like tendinosis for the next 40 years. Oops. So I do pay more attention to the downside and I,
Say that in general. One of the ways that I frame this for myself is not what can I do. That will make me live longer, but what can I subtract that might make me live longer or just live more healthfully? So for instance, I mean, this is going to sound, may be funny and there's a lot of pseudoscience wackadoodle stuff out there about this, but just minimizing exposure to Plastics, and phthalates and things like that. It seems very
Rusev at this point that from an endocrine perspective and so on, these are just very, very bad news. So it's like don't eat things in plastic. Use more glass these are very, very basic things. Use filtration, like, I have proper filtration for your water. Like if you don't have really, really good, filtration for your water, might want to take a look at it because even in very rural areas, you could have for instance and some of the mountainous areas, I've spent time like, high levels of arsenic because there used to be mining, and if your way out in the country, you might have higher
Iterations of the groundwater pesticides, things like this from agriculture. So just paying really close attention to that kind of stuff exercise. It's like the cure-all for, I like Zone to weight training. Just like you just got to do it or you don't have to do it. But people are always glad to have done it. I would say and it feels good for me. At least it's the most consistent mood elevator for sure in addition to cold exposure and these tools. I think if
Someone is on the verge of being diabetic or diabetic. There could very well be a role for these these drugs like those epic or majority cetera, but they're not free lunches, come back to the blog post, I wrote some time ago, think it's just called. No biological free lunches. It's like there are trade-offs here and if you don't know what the trade-offs are, it's not because they don't exist. It's just because we have not identified them as consistently yet, but if it's a matter of life and death and you
Lose weight. Hey then you do a risk calculus, but in general, like the stuff that I'm doing for longevity is stuff. I've been doing for 10 plus years creatine exercise, try not to stuff your fucking face. Every time you sit down to eat, which is my biggest challenge. I love eating God. I love eating. You know, but like these are known problems. So those are my thoughts on the longevity stuff htn, yeah, sorry about your dog, man. I think about that all the time.
Got my pup right next to me. So it's like, oh God, it's like I think I'm going to cry on planes every time I think about it, so I'm sorry. All right. Joel you want to hop in?
Hey, Tim and other Tim, sorry about your dog to I lost a cat two months ago also headed for 40 years had it from when she was a kid and animals something that really helped me. I mean she was asked a lot of time with that cat for and I lived in a small apartment for many years, just me and her. And now we have some land and I buried her, I dug her orphan
Down at, dug the hole myself with my wife's like this. He was nighttime and dig a hole, and we really think a lot about environmentalism because we're not religious. So we just really like, thinking about nature. And so to bury her, not cremator to get her body from the vets and it's not clutter in a plastic bag and dig her deep enough, where animals don't get to her. And she's on our lands and she's gonna biodegrade return to the Earth. Yeah. And wear black for a couple days and see it as morning. I know, she's just a cat but I think those that
A gravestone that Meme that like a hundred years ago where she was enough of the human to be a comfort in times of stress and sadness. Even though she was just a cat that helped us. That was our process two months ago. Coincidentally. So just thought I'd share that Tim. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. So question. So I've got a pre-prepared question that. Coincidentally, Josh, I saw he was asking about kind of creative projects and you had a copy as you have. Do the video which is pretty cool Rick rubin's, the creative act, I saw that copy.
Josh's Zoom. So my question is about that, I think a lot about creativity, I've been making a living as an artist for a number of years. And in his book, The creative act, Rick talks about the estatic, it's one of the chapters and he's describing creative projects where they give you like a Brian mole feeling of warmth in your body and he says that that's a great creative Compass to recognize when you're
Searching for a breakthrough when you're like, in a slog of bad work and mediocrity and experiments that are going nowhere. But when you feel estatic about something, that's a great compass for trying to discover greatness or a breakthrough, or he said, is like an answered prayer. And I just really felt like glimpses of it at times, but I'm curious in your past Prejudice or your future what you're working on when you have felt to be a static. The
Static and ecstatic, sorry x dash back in Creative projects and especially like in the future like what you think in the next projects might be? What gives you that sense of the ecstatic? Hmm,
I think about this a lot, not in those terms, and I know Rick decently well and makes sense that, that would be in the book. I haven't read the entire book, but it makes a lot of sense of being there. I think a lot about a few things not just feeling
That I would say for me it's a quickening of sorts. It's like if I'm engaged with a certain type of project or discussion about a potential project and I've got the kind of two cups of coffee with no Jitters. Just that like extrem comfortable Focus like a calm but intense, Focus, that is energy. Giving I pay a lot of attention to that. I also think about clearing the decks so that you can actually pick up that signal
For instance, if you consume, too many stimulants too much coffee too much, this too much Macho, whatever the hell it might be in a sense, you're raising the level of gain, might not be the right word but level of static so becomes harder to pick out that signal. You might get a lot of false positives or you might be irritable and then get a lot of false negatives. We're just like this is making me creepy and crawly and it's like no that's because you had your fifth Double Espresso for the day dummy. So for me personally I try to keep track of that.
And paying attention to the physiology which is not inherently natural for me or doesn't come at reflexively because I've spent so much time looking at kind of the spreadsheet analysis, side of things being really analytical. But if I get off a phone call and I'm drained or if I get off a phone call I'm like yeah fuck yeah I want to do another one of those. It's sometimes that simple and it's not that I know.
With certainty that x marks the spot. This is the project when it's done and it looks like this. This is going to be the ecstatic moment. It's not so much that for me. It's like a scent Trail. It's like an energetic scent Trail, if that makes sense. And there's a description. I can't remember whose description. It was about writing a novel and the metaphor was writing a novel is like driving across the country starting at night with your headlights on. It's like you can't
See your destination, but you don't need to see your destination. You just need to see far enough in front of you to kind of navigate your way and adjust. So I would say for me, those are some of the ways I think about it. I mean, the cock punch is ridiculous as it is like that was one of those where I was just so energized by the prospect of digging into the art specifically and the fantasy and what that would do from a freedom perspective in writing fiction versus highly researched nonfiction.
I was like okay I am know what. That seems kind of like a dead end on some like this could be the but huge mistake but I'm getting so much of a physical response. I was like fuck it Dana this seems like not the kind of thing to ignore and
that liberated so much energy that I could apply not just to that project but to other projects that I've no regrets about it
whatsoever. I'm Kirstie ever gone into Lord of the Rings because it's such a cultural phenomenon and Lord of the Rings is that a big impact on my life and shows a fantasy and with cock punch and D and D do they have like a hero's journey, like Bible, Jesus.
Like Lord of the Rings does. Did you think about that at all with cock Barnes and his D&D have that like a singular figure like Frodo? Carrying the ring like if you ever inserted that or thought about that
d and e, as far as I know, does not have that Lord of the Rings mean. I was just in Oxford for a week in the UK and was looking at original handwritten notes from Tolkien and looking at his scripts of Elvish
Spending time in pubs where he and c.s. Lewis and others would hang out. So I am deeply deeply interested by Tolkien, I think a good dungeon master will have some felt sense of the hero's journey as their weaving Adventures for people that are playing out in real time. So the circumstances in the players in the module, don't always conform to like All Is Lost and then there's the Redemption of might just be All Is Lost and then you're fucking dead. So,
It doesn't always have like the Star Wars like, yeah, go R2D2 moment.
Like, do you have a singular key role and talk punch
as its laid out right now? That's not made clear in my mind if I were to. So that with some of the reason art I put on Instagram, I said, okay we're going to call this Legends are VAR lotta and so I just took the cock punch out. So let's say it's Legends of are lots of there is a character that I keep coming back to in my own mind to
To, and it's not Jesus character but it's sort of like an Ender's Game.
Frodo, ish character is tyrolean. So the son who is in the last few episodes of the podcast so tyrolean. And his father that particular Dynamic, I have like an entire. Somebody was like, here's a hundred million bucks, go make something awesome. I'm like, I know exactly what I would make. This is what I would do and it would be fucking amazing. Like I know this sounds ridiculous and just so arrogant to say but it's like no I based on
on working with the concept Arts, the feedback I can give I can storyboard well enough to kind of like Frank Miller esque. Like I can be a primary writer, but I can also have I have these sort of directorial, cinematic sense, for how things might be framed visually also that I can work really well with creatives, who are working with animation, moving, pictures, whatever. So, I would say though, like the, to the core relationship,
That would drive that movie would be the father son and nothing like tragic has happened yet. But if I were to continue my writing for like a few more thousand words like stuff would get very exciting and super off the rails really quickly and then there would be things to solve something like that. So yeah. Yeah, I think it would be fun, just figuring out how to go from. You know, rooster nft is to a hundred million dollar animated film a couple
I love hops in between that I need to figure out but seeing for instance, and I mean, this is like I'm not a gaming studio with gazillions of dollars in Revenue but Arcane seeing what League of Legends and Riot games did with Arcane. If you guys haven't seen our can on Netflix, go watch it, it's bananas. I mean if you want to see something where I mean like the most off the rails budget for something animated, it's really remarkable and there's a YouTube series on the
Of judgment also recommend checking account. All right, let's see. Chris the katana and a Fender Stratocaster maybe in the
background. Yeah that was a practice. Should have been more conscious. Maybe the background. I'm not sure.
I like it. I'm gonna do
it. It's practice shorts everywhere. Where do you put it? You plot, their kind of helps people when they come in the office fast, it's the channel Wiggins. Thanks first for putting this together. I love the format. It's kind of neat to meet all different people we share.
Share an interest in what you've been doing of that kind of person.
Yeah, my pleasure, I'm having fun.
I was wondering in your case, you know, I think about your 10 years and that kind of thing for me. If I looked at the last ten years for myself, it was an underlying theme for me. That I really found that I am wasn't that I was an impatient person, but I found like really developing high level patients with both myself and others. It seemed to drag everything out
Too warm in a positive way, whether it be Compassion or empathy of that, kind of thing. If I had to pick a seam in the last ten years for myself, that would probably be it that really might account for positive changes and gross. In that regard, I was running over the last 10 years. You found a common theme the same way
last 10 years. Well I could use some lessons and patience. It's never been my strong suit out. So my mom made jokes about my impatience since I was a little kid.
Kid. So I guess I'm the, the counter example, although that's been a project, but if I'm looking at a through line over the last 10 years, I would say it is developing more awareness in different capacities so that I can self-regulate my physiological response. That's a very wordy thing to say, but to explain it, I could say that my challenge has been since childhood
I have a very hyper Vigilant system. So by sympathetic nervous system, just adored rental in Adrenaline, all these things kick off at the slightest. Provocation could be, just someone dropping a book in a hotel in the room next to me when I'm asleep and then all of a sudden heart rates, whatever 120 and I can't get back to sleep, that type of thing and that can come up. Also in conversation if I'm talking to someone and they say something that I create a story in response to and the story is very upsetting and then simply my
Geology is fucked. Then the physiology feeds back into the cognitive Loop, right back. Explained it to another therapist recently because this was a CBT contacts. I was like, well, we're going to work on the thoughts and I said, we can work on the thoughts, but I'm not convinced the thoughts or where things start. I actually think that it's possible. My physiology gets activated and then it's a state in search of a story. That's the phrasing I used. It's a state in search of a story of this uncomfortable feeling, or this strong feeling. And because we're meaning-making,
Machines, we don't like uncertainty. It's like, well, let me go find a story that could explain that and maybe it's a story about myself. Maybe it's true about the world. Maybe it's true, but somebody else. So, to the last 10 years, has been trying to cultivate an awareness with different tools meditation. Psychedelics is therapy is reading books, like awareness by Anthony De Mello, so that in the moment, like, in at least be aware of what's happening. So for instance, I have been using this app which is what I use to get back on the train.
Rain for the last handful of weeks. Kevin Rose, good buddy, Kevin Rose. Introduced me to Henry Shook m'n and I had Henry on the podcast twice. He is a Zen meditation and master now, I don't like that Master term but he's one of I want to say three or four people authorized to teach this particular School of Zen in the United States and he then developed started to develop an app. I invested in it but it was early days, kind of backup and
Can thing and now it's built out. It's called the way if you want to try it and I've been using it 10 minutes a day twice a day. And I had a really, really challenging conversation today. With someone I'm very close to and I could feel my physiology just getting. I have so much background with with this person and I was just like off, but here we fucking go again. You know, one of those I was just like ahh and I was able to and this is going to seem very rudimentary but like as I was having this really strong physiological response just to go,
Body. Like as I'm listening to the person the person's be like body. I'm just noting that my body is having this extreme response and by noting it not trying to suppress it necessarily just noting it having that drop in intensity. So that I could engage in a way, that was less reactive. So I would say the project then for the last 10 years has been developing an awareness of an appreciation of how much my physiology drives it.
That happens up here and pay more attention to that, not just trying to cross examine the thoughts because the thoughts are I think of byproducts sometimes of a rapid heart rate things like that.
Does that answer the question? Absolutely. It's very all
right. Cool. Yeah, thanks for the question. All right. I think we have one person left Lee. I believe we like to go. Hi there.
I from Canada. I was having technical difficulties when everyone was doing their introduction. So I guess
My question is a two part or part and a half questions. So I'm a 47 year old man with a five-year-old daughter. So I started late in life and all I wish for her is kit. See her find something I liked her up anything. I guess that ties into me and my life right now, as I'm wishing that so badly for her. I realized that I need to make a career change. I don't love my job. So I have kind of, I decided to go with a clean slate. Any of my past doesn't matter? I want to start.
Figure out something I lied to me up. Is there a few questions that you ask yourself? If you ever feel stuck, trying to figure out what that is?
So you're feeling stuck at the moment in terms of choosing a path forward for yourself to find something that likes me
up. I'm lucky right now because I have six months off. So I can think about my next move where I want to go, what I want to do any little Ember I get and I follow down that path. I think
to myself okay well
Is a, I
going to do this in five years. How much effort do I want to put into it? And I'm just trying to raise a few questions. I can ask myself for a few things I can do just to find that thing.
Yeah, yeah for sure. What are some of the options that you're considering at the moment?
So one of them was architecture on the house design, but I'm thinking in 5 years that's going to be pretty much taken by a I am. Sure. That's the thing I'm stuck. I used to be in the restaurant business.
- I don't want nothing to do with that
anymore. I owned a restaurant for a while and you know, I'm just kind of end up right? Where the next decision I make. I really want to get excited about it and it could be anything. I'm all about learning things and just I need to find, you know, that spark. So I'm into architecture and that's what I thought was going to be the path. And then I thought,
okay, well I don't have all the answers of course but my thinking around AI because this is a common concern, right? You're not.
Not alone in this. A lot of people are wondering what will be gobbled by Ai? And the the short answer is nobody has an idea right? Nobody really knows and it's easy to become paralyzed given that there's so much uncertainty around it but my feeling is there certain career paths let's just say that are already being eaten. If you were to say I'm going to be a logo designer and
Earn my money on Fiverr. I'd say that's probably going to get consumed within the next very short period of time. But if you have the flexibility to consider paths, I would pay more attention to the quickening than speculation about AI number one, there's no right path, right? So, you can take some pressure off yourself when you realize that everybody's making it up as they go along. Like, there's no one right answer in the mathematical Proof of Your Life. Does that make sense? It's going to be
Trial and error process. Like it is with everything that we do in life. So I would say that with something like architectural design, for instance, I actually don't think it is a foregone conclusion that it's all going to be consumed by AI in part because
There are open questions around this technology for instance. I will people want to watch movies that are purely generated by AI that make them cry. Like are people going to want to cry knowing that no human was involved? That it was just based on large language model, plus other, a is being trained on certain data sets finding patterns, and then producing a desired motion. Are people going to want that. For instance, I mean, people still buy handmade shoes, right? People still buy artwork produced by artists people still
Lll, pay for many things that they could pay less for if they were willing to go to the lowest cost provider. So there is a market for that. And I think that in questions of taste and conversation and so on, most people are not going to be do-it-yourselfers with everything in their lives, acting as the direct interface with a. I what I could see is that you end up let's just say working in
Architectural design, and instead of having three employees, you have three really well-trained. A is that you pay 19 to $100 a month for that, take the place of those employees and help you. With various aspects of the job, I could see that in the same way that you might use something like freshbooks for accounting, right? And be like, well, I'm not the best draftsman but I can do this this and this and my value is interfacing with the client figuring out these following things and then these steps of the process
Are going to be well handled by an AI. So I think that that's entirely possible, but my uninformed perspective is that the magical skill, it's not magical but the powerful skill in any rapidly changing World which includes a. I, it's not limited to that. There's a lot of stuff. I mean there's the rate of change is just going parabolic in so many different fields, so it's not going to be limited to AI is adaptability and confidence in your ability to try
The Earth and ultimately kind of figure it out. So I do think that a lot of this hinges. Also on how we think about worst-case scenarios so I don't know anything about your personal setup, but let's just say you have some savings, right? And you have like a methodical plan for handling costs associated with your daughter and you live in Canada. So unlike in the u.s., there may be some things covered by here, find government that we don't come across as easily here, then you may have
more room to experiment than you. Give yourself credit for if that makes sense, right? You may have more safety nets and the worst case may not be that bad. So, for instance, you could do and this is available on the blog. If you just go to Tim dot blog, /, Ted, I think there's the Ted Talk on fear setting and then there's the text from the 4-Hour, workweek on fear setting, just to do that exercise and what you may realize is, let's say worst case a i eats architectural design
But you get three or four years of feeling really gratified by your work, you're learning a ton, you're interacting with people you really respect and like we all have to deal with bullshit, right? It's not going to be all cans and rainbows but like overall you're like, wow, this is so much better than running that restaurant X number of years ago and then a i eats it and you're like, okay now I have to start over. Would you regret having done it? Maybe not. It depends a lot on what the worst case looks like when you make a granular and the
Only way you're going to figure that out. Or at least the only way I can figure it out is trying to put it on paper and figure out like what are the worst things that can happen?
How could I decrease the likelihood of those things happening next column? What could I do to get back on my feet? Okay, so let's say try that new like fuck. That didn't work, I need to figure out what's next but in the meantime, I need to make some money. Like, could you do something in your current industry? Could you like worst case? You're like, I really don't want to do it, but I'm going to consult for people who owned restaurants for a period of time to make ends meet and then I'll figure out my next move. Probably? Right? So I would say a place that might
If you get unstuck in, this is true for me as well. Is doing the fear setting exercise and also realizing that very few moves are fatal. Very very, very few. So those are my thoughts on
that. Awesome. Thanks so
much. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. Alright guys, well we've been going for a minute here and it's time for me to go get some food since I had basically mixed nuts and sweet potato fries or my whole day of food.
Food which is not going to necessarily help me live to be 150 but you know, we all have our off days. So I'm going to go try to get a proper meal and really nice to meet you all and spend time with you, all and see some of you for not the first time in the case of a few folks who were here earlier. So have a wonderful evening and a great weekend and thanks for being part of the experiment.
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