What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Pompeo. Know most of you know, me as pomp. You're listening to the pump podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now, let's kick this thing off. Zu, B is a world, famous rapper, author, podcast, host, and public speaker. In this conversation, we talked about everything. Now, we're not allowed to talk about, including the importance of not being a coward. In today's society, mass shootings, the politicalization of the world, the obsession with diversity secretaries of State, for health, that don't look so healthy.
Many, many more topics that most of you will be very interested in. I really enjoyed this conversation with zubi as I always do. I hope that you guys enjoy this episode, let me know what you think. Once you've completed it. Without any further Ado, let's get into this episode with zu B, Anthony promptly. Ah, no runs pomp Investments, all views of him and the guest on his podcast are solely, their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pop investment. You should not treat any opinion, expressed by pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a
Ocular investment or follow a particular strategy. But only as an expression of his personal opinion, this podcast is for informational purposes only. All right, guys, bang, bang, Zubaz here. I think this is your third or fourth time on the show in person and I thought a fantastic place to start would be the importance of not being a coward on the internet today. It feels like there's tons of people who publicly don't say shit and I go to dinner with them. I talk to him in private and they'll just go off.
And I go you're like a little bitch not on
mine and your super based or like at least willing to like say what you actually believe in private like why is that happening?
Woo man. That's it that's a big question and I think last time I was here, I talked about the pandemic of cowardice that I felt was going on in society and happening across the world. And it's something that I understand, it's not a new thing. It's not a new thing. I think one of the most
And human desires is to fit in with people. And another is to avoid criticism and backlash and avoid rocking the boat. I think there's a lot of reasons why we have those Tendencies and it makes sense, right? Most of us don't want to go around every day and deal with more conflict than we have to both online and offline. So, you know, there's no one and it wouldn't be sensible to be constantly saying absolutely everything.
Thing that's on your mind at all times or getting in every single conflict or argument that you have 2 and so on. So I understand that to a degree, I think the problem is when it does become actual cowardice, right? Not just like a basic level of decorum or sensibility, but when people are genuinely afraid to say something that needs to be said, or do something that needs to be done, and I think, especially over the past,
Last time in the past few years that we've just lived through, it became so clear. Number one, how pervasive that cowardice is and how unwilling people are to speak out even when it's very, very necessary. I mean, you've really seen this play out a lot over the past decade, to be honest with you, but I think most of it is, is self-preservation and wanting to maintain social status and social currency. And to, you know, of course there's people who
Have people are often used their jobs and their families and say, oh well, you know, we all the truth is, we all have stuff to lose. People have this idea that, oh, there's these people who can speak out, and these people who can't, because these people are in some amazing. It's like know, there's people who are broke with jobs who will speak out. And there are people who are billionaires and who are self-employed and have true Fu money and whatever, but they're absolute cowards. In fact, this goes for the majority of
So it's more of a character thing. I think it's really a character thing, and it's one of those things that day to day. It's not always a problem, but everything we do is Habitual. So both cowardice and courage are both habitual and contagious. So that's why I use that term. Pandemic of cowardice, right? Because when everyone else is behaving in a certain way, the fewer people who are speaking out the harder, it is to speak.
Out. And one of the things that frustrates me about it is number one, it's why certain things keep getting worse, because people are not taking any type of stand and continually refuse to for years on end, but also it puts the burden on it, increases, the burden, on those of us who are willing to say something, right? People want to hide behind the sofa and tear on you. Imagine, I don't know, you're with a group of friends and I don't know. Somebody jumps you and your friends all jump and hide behind the sofa and yeah go get
Tom go get them sigh bro. Like you're hiding behind the sofa. Like you coming. Don't put it now I'm you know there's five of us in five of them. Now it's five on me and and when the
fights over, then you have a friend
who's like? Yeah. But they left me back. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So that's why it can get it can get frustrating. So to me, one of the things I hear most often, I mean, I'd be I travel a lot. I've been to probably, I mean, most most people were not traveling much over the last few years. I went to eight different
Countries dozens of different cities. And when I get recognized in public, or if I do meet ups or you know, the thing most people say is well, firstly, thanks people who recognize me but I'm often thanked for my courage and that's really interesting to me because on one hand it is a compliment and I'm like thanks on another hand. It kind of annoys me because it makes me realize I why is the bar for courage solo
Don't consider myself, maybe I'm a more courageous person than average, but I don't consider myself like Ultra Brave. I mean, there's people who are in the military, there's firefighters. That's police officers, risking their lives dealing with really dangerous, criminals and so on. I'm like man, I wouldn't want to be in the military right? Like I'm just I'm just talking, I'm saying things. I'm talking on podcast. I'm talking to my music. I'm talking on Twitter.
That to me, that's, I mean, if people don't feel free to talk here in the in the USA and the UK and Canada and Australia are places where you're supposed to have actual freedom of speech, both in a legal sense and also in a cultural sense, then what hope do we have for the rest of the world and part of the problem? Another part of the problem with it is, you can't fix anything. Unless you can talk. This is one of the biggest issues I have with political correctness, and when I talk about political correctness, I'm not talking about basic politeness and civility.
Leti, I'm talking about political correctness in the true sense. That there's things, you, you owe, you, you can't talk about. You can't do. You can't say that? It's like, what, how can there be a fact or a piece of data, or a statistic, or something? That's just real, or even? Even if it's an opinion that you're you just can't, you can't say because if you can't, if you're not allowed to discuss a topic you can't you can't fix it. And that's the one of the biggest problems that is going on and is plaguing.
In the west. As far as I'm concerned, there are certain issues that are happening on different levels, societal issues, crime, issues, cultural issues political issues, and you're not even allowed to talk about them. Well, I mean, you are, I'm not saying you're not allowed to, but people feel like you're not allowed to see room pressure. It's like
legally. You're allowed to talk about it and if you talk about it, no one is going to come knock on your door and say, you are under arrest. Yes. But you will lose friends, you will be shunned.
From certain groups, and you will feel the social pressure of. Why are you talking about that? Why are you questioning this thing? But do you think that there's been a shift from? I don't know, maybe it's Nostalgia. Maybe it's hindsight bias, maybe it's just we were young dumb kids but growing up. It felt like when you were told something by a position of power, expertise influence government, you know, whatever you want to put in that category, the default was. You believed it.
Until you found something to make you question it. Yeah. Now it feels like the default when we're told something, maybe it's the internet, maybe it's, whatever the default is. I do not believe that. And I questioned it and I only believe it. Once I learn the information that confirms that it's true. Do you feel that shift from like the default position being acceptance to now may be questioning? That doesn't mean you don't believe it as much as it's just like the default is now critical thinking or quit. Critical questioning of what
being
told if we lived through the same past 3
years,
I don't know. Have we? It's not the default, you don't think
so. No, the default is complete acceptance of the narrative. Clearly, I don't know if I agree with how can you disagree. After what we've just lived
there because if you look at the virus as one thing, I agree, okay? If you look at the economic story I don't think the majority of people in America believe that inflation is low, not a problem. Transitory
whatever. Well, at this at this point,
Hitting them in the face. Yeah. So it's hard for people to deny it now a year ago even though you could it was obviously coming a year ago I think majority of people would have bought that line. Now you can't say it and have any credibility because people are there and they're in their store or really grocery store there at the gas pump. And I like, whoa, this is like like like that. She says five dollars and never said that before. Exactly. Right. So and this this is this this is the sad reality. Is that
That people humans, always have to learn the hard way, right? Not every single person but in general, people like, learning the hard way they want to put their hand in the fire and get ber, you can tell that you do. Don't touch the fire. The fire, the fire is hot and this goes across a lot of different subjects, but oftentimes the lesson will not be learned until it until it happens. Then it affects that individual directly. This is something I've talked about for many years and one reason why I publicly started speaking out more about a lot of stuff.
Is just that I could see where you could. I could I just have a good foresight. I have good for side. I practice second third, fourth order thinking and it's like, okay well this thing is going to lead to this thing and this thing is going to lead to this thing. And if there's no resistance one crazy thing that can happen in a population is a very tiny minority of people who are dedicated can completely shift and control
society and
culture, right? And I'm not even just talking about the people who are referred to as the elites or whatever I'm talking about.
Fringe activist groups. I'm talking to you ever heard of the he is G movement. Yes. Yeah, yeah, buddy. But even even on Lower scale, right? There are some really kooky ideas that have been floating around at this point four years, which almost nobody believes in. But people are afraid to say that they don't people will still go along with the narrative or
at is there. An example of something that like sticks out your mind,
dude. I'm I'm the British women's deadlift record holder.
Still
say that again, for people, so they think they get right? I said I'm the British women's deadlift record holder, bro. That was no woman's beat you. How can they, they need to have a, some Advantage. They need to have something most women. Do you
still? Are the record?
I think if you Google UK women's deadlift record, someone can verify this for me, but I think my name still pops right up. But my point is, I did that in February 20, 1962, three and a half years ago. Now, this is still a conversation. This is
Still a quote-unquote debate. And so on bro, No One Believes this. Nobody how many people should go outside? You go and any around the USA even and you ask people are biological males and females different. Do you think it is fair for males to compete against females and profession? No One Believes it? No One Believes that men can get pregnant. No, One Believes that women have penises what we're living in this weird world where people would even be afraid to say.
What I just said, oh my gosh. You just said that women don't have penises. It's like, bro. Like we know that that's not a controversial statement. Why am I, why am I even saying this? Like we're in this weird Battle of of, for reality, that's one of the most concerning things about about this all is that it's not that okay? We're agreeing on objective reality and people have different opinions on how to interpret it or what should be done with it or so on its people are no longer even agreeing on a
Objective reality, we saw this again, all through the all through the pandemic situation and it was like, well if if we can't even like agree just on the reality and numbers and they did, you know, just even a, just what we can all observe, then we're in massive trouble,
right? You just goes back to like, I think the default was always at least the perception was like, science and math. Yeah, we're not political now, it's not completely true and maybe the science standpoint because for
Decades, centuries. Whatever there would be certain scientific breakthroughs. People wouldn't believe it. You know, the Earth is round, people get killed for saying that, whatever. Right. So it's not exactly black and white, but I do think that most people for a very long time, thought that it wasn't like Fox News and MSNBC. We're going to argue over gravity. Yes. Right. Like there were certain things that were just not going where my mind started change on this and I was like, oh shit, we're going to a place, we don't want to go.
Was, I read an article this maybe two to four years ago. So, it's, you know, I forget exactly, mmm. And it talked about the massive investment that was being made by MSNBC Fox News and CNN in, whether interesting and I was like, why are they all going? So hard at whether mmm, and obviously, The Weather Channel in the United States have been super successful and and there was a business there and then towards the end of the article is talking about climate change. Hmm. Its political issue. Yes.
Like wait a minute that science is you look like what's going on and then that's when it dawned on me. I said oh my God, a media companies are going to compete over science because whoever gets to say we have the science gets the political upper hand in all of their other coverage.
Yeah, dude, it's a problem and the politicization of everything is a huge problem. I mean I did a threat on this just the other day on Twitter and I was just saying this obsession with
With politicizing and racializing everything. Especially in the u.s.a., it's a big problem. It happens in other places but not like this. Like I'm from the I'm from the UK, and it's not any issue. I mean, you know, I don't know when this interview comes out, but as we, you know, just yesterday, there's another shooting that happened in a city and you're there and everyone's talking about race and Democrats and Republicans. And I'm like, guys,
What the heck, man? Like every time every time there's a, there's a mass shooting. There's there's a tragedy, there's something, awful happens, people, some people's minds immediately jumps to. Okay? What race was the perpetrator, what race was the, where the victims were? What were their early Innings with a right-leaning where they were, they white nationalist? Or was a white guy? Was, it, was it a black? And I'm like, dude. Like the bodies are warm. Like, how, how are you immediately? Some tragedy happens, your immediate thought is like, okay,
Can I use this to fit my political agenda, or how can I use this to demonize the group that I feel some kind of animosity towards or whatever? And I'm like dude that sick like that's that's really messed up. There's a time and place for certain conversations but it's just like
Man, like, yeah. And I think, even with these, with these situations, this is another problem is that it's all talked about on, such a shallow level. It's all talked about on such a shallow level, you know? It's like, okay, you're allowed to talk about guns. Of course you can talk about guns, right? You can push. Oh, you know what's guns? Guns guns. You know, when can we have the talk about the spiritual war that's going on? When can we have a conversation about morality? When can we have a conversation about family and fathers and community? And
Reality right. When can we even talked about? You know, you could you can sort of talk about mental health in Pharmaceuticals that's allowed but you know as soon as you go into kind of any spiritual or moral realm anything that's a little bit deeper you know, it's like who know you? We can't even, we can't even talk about that. And so I well you're going to keep getting this problem and so you're allowed to talk about it, right? If you're only, if the thing is, just all, we need to ban AR-15s and we need to reduce the magazine. I'm like, bro,
Like in the UK it's stabbings and in the UK they do the same thing by the way, that they all may be nice. Yeah, we need to my, we need to reduce the length of knives. I'm like dude if someone wants to hurt or kill somebody, we all have access to lethal weapons. Every single person we all owe knives, we all pretty much owned Vehicles. We have bats, we have clubs, we have fish. We have feet right? If you want. And by the way, I think it's important for people to know that even in the u.s. way more people are killed by those weapons.
They are by rifles bright more people are stabbed to death, more people are beaten to death, right? And way more people obviously killed by handguns and so on, but it's just this Obsession of, you know we've got this political thing about this particular tool and it's just so it's so shallow and so superficial and so annoying. And ultimately the reason it, the reason it pisses me off is because people are just going to keep on getting her and keep on getting diet and keep on dying until you until some real.
Conversations are had. Yeah,
right. I think a lot about the media coverage of this stuff as well. So you're talking about like the internet conversation, right? To the degree of a shooting happens, immediately get the Polaroid. Neither does the same thing. Yeah, but they also in some way are by not covering certain things, they are telling us a lot about society and so I don't know, maybe the last couple weeks or whatever. I saw that there's a Twitter account and every Monday or Sunday night, they will tweet out how many people were shot and killed in Chicago.
Boy. Yeah, and the numbers, like staggering insane, right? It'll be like, you know, 35 people were killed over the weekend and you're like, yeah, what I think about that anywhere else and then you're like, okay, go on the comments, take away their guns, do this, and then people are like, dude, the guns are illegal, mmm, but like, you can't have the gone right? And the criminal Soul, somehow figure out how to get it. And it goes back to this idea of like, wait a minute, like what if our entire like framework for evaluating? The problem is wrong. It is wrong. And okay,
So explain,
it's completely wrong. As I said, look, it's a problem of the human heart and the human Spirit, right? If you why do, I think sometimes it's important to not just consider why people do things but to consider why they don't. Okay, so as we've established we we both have access and the physical capability to kill, right? We have access to weapons and we have the capability to kill, right? Why don't we, why don't we kill people?
Honestly, right
while one, we want to be a good person. Yes, right to is, there's this almost a social contract with the people in your community of let's all get along to some degree 3 is you'll go to jail. Rice is like a punishment
component. I'd say that that's pretty low
down. Oh yeah. Well
here's the way, the moral, I think, the moral aspects, and ethical aspects are much much higher than the threat
of without a doubt. I mean, I remember, when Egypt went through the upper eyes,
You may be eight years ago or whatever it was, it was a ghost. Twitter was Twitter was Twitter, right? And yes, social media without a doubt. I think everyone has looked at that situation and learned about it would say social media played a role. But you know what, played a bigger role.
They didn't have food. Yes. Guess what. Everyone thinks that there are super moral, ethical person until literally, they're looking at their wife and their kids. And I like if I don't go and kill our neighbor, my kids won't eat and they will die of starvation. It's horrible. It's just, it's just become the most brutal form of human nature. And obviously, those are very extreme cases. They have a very, very infrequently globally.
Thankfully. But you can take the water down version and bring it back to. There's a morality aspect. There is a
huge morality aspect. Okay, let's take a look, let's take one specific issue, which is a Hot Topic, not just in the US but globally school, shootings. Mmm. Okay. When did that really, when did that become a more regular thing? Right. It's only in the past, couple decades, for sure. The guns have the guns have been their kids. Used to word in the 60s. The seven kids were taking rifles to school kids had guns in their lockers and so on.
On school shootings were very, very rare, right? It was around the Columbine time where it started to
become this. So it was early 2000s. Probably yeah, I want to
say like late and I want to say like late 90s early 2000s and so on. So how can you say it's just the guns, when the guns have always been there, if the guns have always been there in the problem, just really started. Say 25 years ago. Right? How can, you know, guns were not introduced as a new thing? So he has of course, there's
more guns on.
The school campuses 25
plus 6. Yes this is this. This is my point, right? Or even if you look within cities, like where our shootings happen is, well, what's happening in places with the heaviest gun control laws, and so on, and so forth. It's not just as simple as more guns, equals more shooting. All right. It's really not. That simple. Even if you look at a country like Europe, I think Switzerland is the most heavily armed country. In Europe, I believe followed by Finland, and you're not getting a lot of shootings in, you know, there's probably more Shoe Time.
Leave this morning, I'm going to be more shootings in the UK than there are in Switzerland even per capita and so on. So it's not that simple. The problem is people wanting to hurt and kill other people. You, if you want, if you decide if an individual decides, they want to hurt or kill another person or a group of people, they will use whatever tools are at their disposal. Yes, it sure. It might be easier to kill people with a gun but you there's bombs. There's knives. There's fish, there's vehicles.
Right? Some of the most brutal killings that have happened in Europe. We're just tase someone taking a van, or a truck and just running it through a crowd,
is what happened in New York City right now? I think it's happened at least two stories that I know. Yeah. And in one case, they rented like a U-Haul truck. Hmm, and just drove down
the right path. So much, the thing is, okay. So the questions to me is like, why, what, what possesses someone to do that? And as I said, the flip side, okay, most people 99.9% of people wouldn't even dream of doing. I wouldn't do it. So, what are they getting right? And what's going wrong here? And if you look at the individuals,
Do this, there's always a better person. It's always young men. It's not women doing it. It's not girls. It's always young men. Typically between say 15 and 30. Okay, hmm. What else do they have in common majority of time? There's no father in the picture. Okay. That's that's a factor often times. They're on some type of psychoactive substance or drug right often times. They are known to the authorities already right there. There's a certain profile.
I'll wear you can narrow this down and be like, okay, what's going on here? Right? So there's some type of depravity or there's some type of moral lost the way. This child has been raised something that's going on in their brain like there's some their stuff that's going on there and I don't have all the answers. My thing is just this conversation, we're having this this should be the conversation as soon as people are. Just they're all you know, how talk about magazine sizes and AR-15s. I'm just like dude, you don't
That person could have done that with a handgun, or with a shotgun or like, it's just so, I know people have their political pet causes and they have their people like this idea. Here is another big one. And I've tweeted this before and it went viral. I said we keep looking for political realm solutions, to spiritual realm problems, and being surprised when it doesn't
work. Yeah, it is a great
way, not everything can be solved with politics, and people don't like to hear that. Because, in this rather increasingly
Our society that were living in people increasingly view the government as the be-all and end-all and view everything through this political lens. I also
think there's an element where when it's politics, I have a weapon to tell you what to do. Yes. When it's spiritual I only have a weapon to try to improve my situation that there's, there's no way for me really to use a spiritual tool to impact you. Control you or anything, right? Yes, you can try to get you to go to church.
Sure, you know whatever but it's not as direct of a control mechanism as let's change the rules. No, it's used to police. Lets, you know, do whatever I am. I'm reading this book, it's called cult. I was in the bookstore and I saw it. The hell is this right? Open it up, 10 people and as you can imagine Colts have a very negative connotation and usually because they end in some horrific way. Yes, and the first 50 pages of this book Charles Manson the whole
Story. Mmm. Now, Charles Manson I think a lot of people would say I heard the name before especially young people, I know bad person, there's some murders but I don't really know the story. Hmm. In this book, the first 20 25 pages is all about his childhood. Okay, it's exactly were talking about absolutely horrific got moved multiple times between all these different homes in and out of jail to the point where like 10 years old like stealing a car and like going across state lines, right? I mean just like to the point,
Is like, this is really bad compared to on the scale of like a bad ten-year-old, right? And it's just like if you looked at that child's life,
You wouldn't think that they became the president United States. Yeah. Now you might not jump to the conclusion that there was murder and Colts and, you know, kind of The Other Extreme, but it's kind of just like, yeah, of course. That person has challenges. Yes. And of course, that person probably ended up in a place that Society was like, man, we wish that people didn't go there. Yeah. And so it just made me think a lot about like,
That is a situation where like there's no ability for somebody else to show up without understanding that backstory and be able to help that individual looks like the context is so important. Now again that doesn't excuse the behavior doesn't do any of this stuff, right? It's still horrific but like that's a pretty big fucking detail of a story. And as you see some of these people who go and do these horrific things today's society, so you're talking about like there's the the drugs that they're on. It's broken.
Families. It's known to the authorities. That's the one that always gets me. Is, like, you're telling me that, the police knew this person had threatened to go kill people a bunch of times and somehow they
still did it like dismembered a kid in or like, done. Some really effed up
thing and, you know, we don't have the data. It's, we don't know how many times. Does the authorities, get alerted to. This person is a person of interest writer or, however, the quatre characterize it. And then what percent of those people actually go and do something super her. If
you also can't arrest P, crime people for crimes, they have not committed, correct? Right?
Right. That's a fact. You know, there's there's so many factors and it's complicated, you know, I'm not, and that's part of the problem. I think this is why people want the simple. You're not allowed to say that, you can see it's people. People want the simple solution, it's complicated. And it's also generational, and it's multifaceted, right? I'm not saying that it's just the one one thing right, there can be political elements, social elements religious, or spiritual elements, like overall morality and social fabric elements. And so on, you know, a huge family component as well.
You know, how how rare is it for someone who is like, you know, right, well raised in a stable loving family to go on and do anything like this, right? It's extremely extremely rare and this is not to say that you know, most people who are raised in that environment go on and do that. But you know it's um
it also begs a question which I don't have the answer to okay. Should the parents be held accountable for certain actions of their kids.
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If your kid is 10 years old goes to the store and you're with them and they steal something. Yes.
They may yell at the kid or whatever. They don't take the kid jail, right at least in in the United States but the Elder parents, do not hate what's going on here, you know, whatever. Okay, that's like petty theft. If you even want to characterize that as a ten-year-old taking a candy bar, something if your kid goes on a and does a school shooting, okay, like that's a whole different ballgame and there's a bunch of stuff in between. But right now there's this complex question of the parents. You don't
Troll the kid, right? Especially the kids over 18 and all these things. But also how do you create a system that incentivizes, good parenting, right? And so like maybe it's incentives, it's not punishments. Maybe it's punishments and end incentives. I don't know what the answer is, but it just feels like a really important question that we have to ask ourselves is, like, how do we incentivize better parenting? So that maybe we could divert even it was 10% of the bad stuff. Yes, that would be a win. Yeah. And, and, you know, I'm
not a parent yet, but it's really hit me over.
Over the last few years that there is no, I think the importance of parenting is vastly underestimated and underappreciated both in the positive and the negative, okay? Because if you really think about like how Stuff ripples out and resonates out, I mean, it's insane. So, the person I am and my four siblings is yeah, some of it is just, you know, your genetics in your personal but a lot of silk, how we were raised
Okay. And by me being raised in a certain way and being put on a certain path and instilled with certain morals, I then have how many people do I impact on a daily monthly annual basis? I reach millions of people, right? And so, and those people then also, reach thousands or millions of. So, the way both the positivity in the negativity ripples out into wider Society, cannot be understated. If you raise a terror of a child, if
I raise a demon child, right? That's not just bad for them and bad for the fan. That's bad for society. That's bad for your wider Community. That's bad for your country because they go on and they hurt people and they're leaving in their wake, this path of Destruction which is now impacting all these other people. And then often times it becomes a generational thing and that's passed on, you know, you can pass down the goodness or you can pass on the Nightmare and yeah, sure, that that cycle can be broken in both ways. So I think it's actually understated and
Appreciated just how important parents are and families are because that's really the foundation for an individual's whole life. And then like I said yeah that individual impacts others and I think this is uncomfortable, it's very uncomfortable for people to discuss this like this is a conversation that's considered very unpolitical e, correct? Right. Even if you tell people like it's better for a child to have a mother and a father.
People are like, right. People want to immediately want to object to that now like not long ago and most parts of the world as it completely not, not even a slightly controversial statement, it's like do obviously right. And here it's it's contentious and it's art and you know Sheriff someone's like oh well you know well I was raised by a single mom and I'm like, bro, I like no one is attacking. You see is people deem everything is an attack. Everyone personalizes everything right. Let me also say
switching it. When you say, it's better for the child, it immediately jumps to
Don't attack single moms or single fathers or whatever, but it's like nerd if your optimize it to solve optimization is what is the best thing for a child? Let's have that conversation. By the way, like you can disagree, you can have other facts. You like whatever. But it's like stay focused on. What are we optimizing for in this specific conversation versus try to twist
it. Exactly and you know another thing that's plaguing the West, Was This obsession with exceptions. So
interesting. Right. People try to base everything on exceptions, rather than the
general rule
Okay. So everyone everyone's a we're focusing on exceptions to the detriments of the norm and the majority, right? So with any particular issue, someone will want to say, oh well you know what about this? Or what about that? And it's like dude can we talk about like the 90% scenario or the 98% scenario rather than obsessing over these exceptions and basing the rules and the standards in the Norms around exceptions rather than around?
In anything you're going to have exceptions, right? If I say, you know, all people have a five, you know, five fingers on each hand someone's. Oh, well, you know, I'm I my Auntie has six fingers on her or, you know. Well, what about those? Make all the gloves right fingers? Yeah, that's that's insensitive. You know, I lost my left, left hand in a, in an accident. I'm like, dude. I'm not, yes, I recognize, there are people who do not have 10 fingers. There's people with more, there's people with fewer that does not change the general effect.
It's yeah, that people have 10 fingers, you know? So yes, there are children, who can be raised in all sorts of, you know, there's children who can be raised in what looks like an idyllic perfect environment and they go on and, you know, they're they're screw-ups and there can be people who are raised in very, very bad situations and so on and they go on and Achieve great things. Yes. We know there are billions of humans, there's so much variety and variation but objectively all other things being equal, even by a simple factor of to being more.
One. It is better for a child to have two parents. We know there's that's not a controversial statement, right? And, yes, that could end there can be out of and you have to, you have to acknowledge exceptions right. There are people who are widows right? Someone dies, or this happens or that happens, right? Not everything works out perfectly but just because not everything works out. Perfectly doesn't mean you blow up and disintegrate the standard, right? And this is what I'm seeing. I'm seeing all the standards being disintegrated right in the name of making people feel comfortable or feel more accommodated and so on. And so,
So forth and in this avoidance of avoiding hurting anyone's feelings, in any type of way, we've essentially in the west prioritize people's feelings over objective reality even when that's extremely detrimental. You want to see another great example of this? Look at this whole fat acceptance body positivity thing.
Brent. It's it literally is wild. It's
wild? Yeah, it's wild right? You obesity is being promoted and this is the biggest killer of people. It is a problem that again hit didn't really used to be a big problem. You could go back less than 100 years ago and obesity was very rare. Obesity was very rare and just in a century in one person's life time you we've gotten to a stage where the majority of adults in this country are overweight or obese majority.
Right. Childhood obesity did not used to exist, all right? You look at fat kids from like the 70s or the 80s and it's like, he's only like slightly chubby now. It's like a fat kid weighs more than I do. Right. And it and it's getting worse and it got worse over the last couple of years. Despite the fact that 80% of the people hospitalized with the Rona overweight or obese can talk about that and it's like, dude, do you care? Do we care about? Like not offending anybody or do we care about actually trying to
help people. I've always thought for a long time,
Normalizing, offending people. Hmm. And just like we are not going to be held captive by trying to tiptoe around a friend. You can do it. It's just listen again, objectively! Yes, if you are unhealthy. Yes, it is bad for you. There will be people who hear you and I say that and they will be like these guys
are assholes. Yeah. All. But what about what about someone who had a car crash and has a thyroid issue and so they got
The exception that I was like, dude, I recognize most people who are obese are not obese because they have some, some hereditary thyroid issue or because they got disabled in a car accident and they should because they eat too much and they'll move
enough. Yeah. But I also think there's a exception issue. Hmm. There's also what I'll call like a reverse extreme issue. So, when you say people should be healthy, immediately Americans are idiots.
Like everyone, you expect everyone to have a six-pack
Be able to see why 400 pounds, and they only can eat like a rabbit
lettuce.
You are an asshole? Yeah, right. And here, just like, no, dude.
We're talking about, like, can you go outside and walk down the street without losing your breath? Yes, right. Like, like, that's the Baseline to start. Yes. And then it's even like you start thinking about. I do think a lot about. Like if you just say healthy rather than like people should work out for whatever reason, like, we're all stupid, you know, idiot.
And we're like, oh healthy sounds like, you sounds like that's a nice wrapper, whether that's acceptable work out, you shouldn't be able to tell me what to work out. What are you, who are you to tell me that? I need to be a certain size to fit in pants? Mister like, no, dude. Just be healthy, like literally, just whatever that means for you. Mmm, by the way, some people feel healthy because they run on a treadmill or ride a stationary bike, or do like cardio stuff, other people feel healthy. When they go in, they lift weights. Some
I don't know, there's a lot of fucking people in Suburban America who if you go around about 9:30 10:00 what do you see walking? A bunch of people walking and some of them even have some weights in their hand and right like that's how they feel healthy. Great. Who cares what they're doing? It's just like that direction is way better than us being like, you know what, 400 pounds. Let's put the mannequin out there and that, that is, that's the new standard. Yeah, that that's a good thing.
Look at us, we're voting. That's, yeah, that's, that's the
Part of him. It's when they do the you know, healthy at any size you can be obese and no you cannot be obese and healthy, right? You cannot be healthy at any size. That is a life. You are 600 pounds. You are not healthy period. All right. You cannot be healthy at any size. It's a complete lie. And something I've noticed about this is doctors, never say that. But something is interesting about this is I have you noticed, it's only targeted women
Only there's no body positivity, fat acceptance movement for
men. The, so I may disagree on that. Okay? And the only disagreement I would say, is the whole like, Dad bod didn't work though, but but, but when I go to like a department store, which unfortunately, you will not see me in very often but I was recently in New York and they had a bunch of the women mannequins then you know, whatever.
I don't think I saw any of the men once, but I've seen pictures on the internet of the like, Dad bod with like the collared
shirt, or but I've ever seen that on the cover of a men's magazine or Fitness, Meghan. Oh, right. But you'll see it. You'll see that women on the cover, you know. It's um, so this is how, you know, this stuff is very engineered, mmm. It's very engineered. It's not, it's not organic and people call it compassion. I don't think it's compassion, I think it's girl.
Straight up I think I don't think it's compassionate at all. I think
that man. Well you're lying to people that you're like yeah this is the part that I think is kind of like feedback in business. There's a lot of times Business Leaders and this pretty well documented, right? Business Leaders will be super nice to folks and the company's never work. Okay because what happens is like the truth is never said, so you keep going to work every day and you're never told hey you're slacking on something, we
You didn't prove you never improve, right? And if you never improve, the business doesn't improve and therefore it's much harder to be successful. Yeah, so he doesn't have to go be an asshole. That's what's got to yell and scream at you and call you an idiot. Like it's
what is, what how did you describe it before? The reverse extreme? Yeah, that that's, that's literally what it is. You say, one thing, you know, I'm like, you know, I I like apples and as I know you hate bananas, you forgot to mention. What about pineapples? What about is like? It's like dude.
Like canceled. Yeah, that's the thing. You know? And it's it's just a problem because again, you can't fix things. Are there are certain things that are getting worse. The Obesity problem is getting worse, did you see the adults? Getting worried. Oh, and people hating on her for losing
weight, she lost weight and all I saw two tweets about and I just got to keep scrolling because I'm
fucking but it's still, you don't think it's interesting me not to, I don't even want to make this like a gendered conversation, but don't you think it's interesting how that's like,
Like mint. That's not a male thing at all.
Jonah Hill. Remember you? The actor? Yeah you lost a bunch of weight and it was treated very differently. Of course. All right. And there's just two anecdotes. Yeah,
whatever. Yeah. But it's Ryu, by the way, I've observed this, my whole life, not just on social media, but there is a difference in this regard, right? I mean, even if right, what's the criticism of what's the criticism of Barbie dolls, right, that they do unrealistic body standards and this and that or you know someone that was that in the UK there was this company.
Called I think they were called protein world and they had this AdWords said you know, are you beach body ready and had this foot woman? If it woman in a bikini and it became this like huge outrage one thing, right? They went after them so hard and whatever you. By the way they had a male 1 as well and no one cared about you know the are you beach body ready with the male body? But as long as misogynistic and this and unrealistic expectations like bro, have you seen, have you seen what action figures look like? Have you ever have you ever seen Superman or Batman? Wolverine, are psycho with every context and
Then learned 16 pack and they're like, we're just
do you imagine Superman with a
dad? No, but the point is no one ever said. Oh, this is setting an unrealistic and harmful expectation for young boys and it's gonna. So there's something like, really interesting going on there,
right? Like cuz women have through societies kind of reinforcement, more of a focus on appearance, their appearance and I say this as somebody who I've got a nine month old daughter and I think about
Hmm. Even just if you walk into a toy store, right? If you walk into certain things like you walk down the street, the way that people say things sure. It's like, oh, she's so pretty. Yeah. And like I don't have the experience of having a son, so, I don't know. Would people be like, oh, he's so handsome. Maybe. Mmm. But like, for whatever reason I'm like, no, she's fucking a genius, be sure. I'm Frasier. Like, and so it's like a weird thing and you can place
into it. I'm so, I think it absolutely plays into it. I think it would be, I think it's clear and obvious that
across societies
and cultures that women are valued more on appearance than men or women are judged the way men and women are judged as different. And the way men judge women, in the way women judge men is different, right? I was saying actually to someone the other day that you'll often hear feminists in particular, but other people often say, you know, that mess, there's men, who look at women, like sex objects, there are men who do that. Sure.
Are also one could argue that society and women view
men has success objects,
right? If a man the way men and women View and sort of rate and rank each other is is just different, right? It's just different. If you are a high-powered successful man in your career and your accomplished in this and that, that weighs differently to a woman with the same achievements, right? Guys? Will be like, yeah, but is she hot
You
know, that's awesome price never gone after the dating apps. Well that I'm surprised that like the mob has never gone after the dating apps. We're literally judgments on humans are being made by the photo that you're shown, and you're swiping left or right? And like the most impersonal way possible. But the initial impression, which by the way, exactly happens in real life too, is based on, looks it does. And I've always been shocked that they're not like,
this is ridiculous. Yeah, you know these conversations are interesting because the
Is biology. Always exists.
You know, so we can talk about like this and this and there's many things in the world where maybe we think it sort of, it feels unfair, or it feels like a double standard. Oh how come? It's like this or you know it should be like that it should be and within reason you can make certain accommodations right? You can certainly treat people fairly right? This is generally how I operate across the board and what I strive to do is simply treat, people fairly treat everybody decently
Equal equal is a weird word because equal is equal. Human beings are were equal, but we're not right. In a spiritual sense, like in a religious sense, in a worth of your life and how the law should apply to you. And so on, I believe human beings are equal. I believe human beings are created in the image of God, right? We're all equal. In the literal sense. We're not equal at all, in any way. We're all very weird.
He different where the most diverse species that's out there, right? We're not equally tall. We have different body weights, we look completely different. We have different eye colors, some people are attractive, some people are mustn't. Write some people are highly athletic, some people are very intelligent, some people are dumb, some people are right. Like we're we're not, we're not equal at all, in that sense. And also when it comes to say conversations about men and women, men and women are equal in a sense, all right? In terms of your worth in terms of your value and so on,
Well, we're fundamentally like as groups we are, we're different
and and that's that's
not a problem, right? There's people who problematize that, all right. They want must want this like, homogeneous genderless weird Society where it's weird because at the same time, these people will be like diversity, diversity, diversity. And then, at the same time, they kind of want everyone to just be the same just to be these like genderless blobs who there's no difference between the males and the females and everyone, maybe those categories don't even exist and everyone's just, you know, everyone even earns the same amount of money and everyone.
The same and it's like, dude that sucks like that's and it's just not real at, it's not realistic, it's silly to have a goal. Number one, that's not even a good goal, but it's unachievable. It's like why would you want to achieve that? And you're also not going to use. You see this in many things where people are even trying to force, like certain things to be 50/50, in terms of gender righto, we want, you know, it should be 50/50, number one is funny because people only one that in certain jobs and sector. So I have never seen on any one advocating that 50% of
In workers or garbage disposal people or crab fissures or Lumberjacks should be female. It's only like cushy executive jobs and whatever, but it's also like, why like what problem are you trying to fix? Why is it an issue that most primary school teachers or female? That's not an issue to me, men should be allowed to be Primary School teachers and they shouldn't be discriminated against. Like if you're treating again, it comes back to fairness. If you're treating people unfairly. That's a problem. If your unfairly discriminating against people, that's a problem. Everyone should have.
Of the opportunity to do what they want. But understanding basic human nature and basic biology you recognize that you're not going to get like this perfect magical split on everything because men and women lo and behold have different interests. You're in the Bitcoin and crypto space. It's probably what eight men to one woman. Not because women women are not allowed in Bitcoin or crypt, like it's the most open is literally like the most open thing available, but there's just more
It's more of a masculine tendency to be interested in that kind of stuff, right? I'm a rapper what percentage of rappers are male? It's a very male-dominated, not women are allowed to wrap. There's just more men who are into it and you can find that on the inverse. This plenty of things that are female dominated and so on and it's just like cool. That's fine. As long as people are not being unfairly discriminated against and there's equality of opportunity at the point of entry. Then I don't have a problem with it. Let the chips fall where they do and then people do it with like,
And so on. And again, they're very selective with it, right? Imagine how crazy it would sound if someone came and said that, like the NBA in the NFL are racist against non-black people, right? They be like, oh my gosh, black men are seven percent of the population and their over 70% of the NBA. This is Khalil aware where all the, where the Jews? Where the Asians wear those?
It's like do a bow, just like, it's a, it's a meritocracy. Like everyone's allowed to play
basketball? Well, it's all. So, this is how the NBA. They discriminate against short people.
Yeah, how can we forget, right? Like that's,
that's unfair. Yeah, I'm not
65 next. Michael Jordan, I'll be talking about Anthony pop. Leon, oh, and by the way, I'll let me in there, right? But like it's like, you know, shit. It's, you know, it's really funny how people do it, because when you bring up those types of examples, people see how silly it is. But then they'll run off and they'll do
That in a whole other sector. And I'm like, wait, why why, why would you expect everything everywhere to perfectly represent the population demographics? That's just, there's
a weird thing of when people try to do the right thing, let there's people who definitely are not good actors from, not kind of a well-intentioned, right? So put those people decide for scam people who say, like let's use a computer science. Okay. As a sector there's a lot of folks who said, hey, there's not as many women.
Or minorities in that sector. Now put aside for a second. What people want to debate that or not or whatever? Just hold that as a truth. Yeah.
In most cases, what would make senseless cool? Let's go do things to incentivize more of those people to do it. Yes. Sometimes it's like an exposure thing. If you live in an area, where no one's ever told you, that's even a possibility. Then like, you don't know how many kids end up going through a high school and their High School had some program. They get exposed to something and that ends up being their career. And if they'd gone to the high school across town that didn't have that program, they would have never even been exposed to that thing and whatever. So like okay cool like
Do all these things that help build up one group, or one effort without tearing down the others. Yes. And it works in Reverse as well, right? Where people say like, you know, the NBA it'd be like saying, okay, we only can have 50% of a certain type of person, whether it's race, height, whatever. So, why don't you just try to go get more people to try out that, you know, if it's some other criteria
And I actually think that, if just, that was the focus cool, you identify something that you want to change. Like go work to change it in a positive way, but you're not allowed to tear down other things. Yes, Society would be like, wait Chiller. Yeah, and people would be like, you know what? Like, I actually like that effort, I think that's great. It's when it becomes like a zero-sum game. That's where you get all the politicalization of it. That's where you get the debates. That's where you get all the fucking sensitivities. Like, and then it just spirals out of control gracious. Yeah. Because now it's your, if it's zero sum. Yep. Well,
Our plan is zero sum game. We've both agreed were playing a zero-sum game. I'm not losing. Yeah, which means you have to lose. Yeah. If it's positive some, then it's much more working together,
man. The I have so many things I could say on this, dude, we got a lot long time. Go ahead. Well, first of all, this, this is 0. Some mindset thing is a real plague. It's a big problem. People need to understand the life is not a zero-sum game. Money is not a zero-sum game health and fitness is not a zero-sum game.
game relationships and dating or whatever these things are not Zero Sum and one of the amazing things about the world. One of the coolest things with all the diversity, we have in humanity as there are millions of games to play and you only need to be really good at one to be successful, right? So I mean, just look at jobs in Korea like, how many different ways are there to make money, right? So oh you, oh, you can't make it in the NBA. You're not 6 foot, 6 and amazing at basketball.
Do you know what? There's another million things that you can you can create in this day and age you could even create your own thing. Like, look at what we both do for a living like this. The, we probably struggle to explain this to like our great-grandparents be like, wait, you do what for a living that's not a job according to, what do you mean? Well, you have a podcast, you sit, and you talk to people like, wait you, you do it? None of it, none of it. No level of. It makes any sense and it's just like, that's awesome. So you don't need to if you're not completely,
Repetitive in a particular field or you're just not interested in it. It's like cool. Like you can just get in where you fit in, man. Like we all have a different pool of talents will have different experiences and interests and personalities and that's dope. Because if we didn't, if we didn't the world who firstly the world wouldn't even work. Because the way everything works with free trade as we all have different services and products that we can offer that other people find Value and were and we're all constantly exchanging that's literally what the economy is. People have
Brainwashed to think the economy's like some stock ticker or something. This was the point. I was making back in 2020 when they were locking down and shutting down. And I was like, yo, you're crushing the economy below. You care more about the economy than him, I'm like, bro, human lives rely on the economy and human lives. Are we are the economy, right? Like our ability to interact and trade and do all the like this is this is what gives everything everything value and also gives us, meaning and
purpose, it's not the stock price. When you say the Econo
really the core
Her story isn't fucking open and I need food and if I
can't give food you got 72
hours of people going to start doing fucked-up shit. Exactly.
Like yeah, and sure they didn't shut down the grocery stores, but they shut down a hell of a lot of business. Yeah. And, and that was
the thing with it. So people need to get out of the zero-sum mindset thing. This is also where the whole like it. The rich thing comes from, right. People think that by oh, their neighbor made money or that person has money. So, therefore, they must have Jack. They must have stolen it from everyone else. The reason
There are poor people is because there are rich people. There's people who believe that there's hundreds of millions of people who believe that that poor people are just there because there are rich people and is the rich people being selfish, and it's just them being greedy. And that's why, you know, there's this limited pool of money and they're just hoarding it. So, those people there can't get some and I mean people have believed this for centuries. It's what so much of like Marxist thought and what it's all these zero-sum mentality thinking. So people need to get out of that mindset and everything because it's number one, it's literally not correct and
Then number two, is it just makes people very resentful and it creates more animosity and more Division and so on and it stops people from taking that personal responsibility and bettering themselves coming back to a different point that you were making before. I'm so glad you. You talked about this
Encouraging people to know about and have access to certain opportunities because I experienced this myself in a very interesting way when I was in university. So I studied computer science at Oxford when I was at Oxford forego an Oxford man you from Cambridge or something you're educated you know you have an unfair advantage to know what people at Oxford and Cambridge called the other university the other place.
Jesus
Christ. So, people from Cambridge College Oxford, the other place before, mocking poke a another place. There's a little, there's a little, a little rivalry there. Um, but yeah, one when I was in university, it was really interesting. So in my first year, there are so in the whole university of I think I think Oxford at the time. I want to say as around, want to say twelve twelve to fifteen thousand undergraduate students. Okay? Um
Oxford got put in the spotlight because out of that say 15,000 undergraduate students geometry, black people
had actually have a guess.
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Wow, 55 out of over 10,000. Wow. And so there were all they were newspaper articles and stuff.
Oxford is racist. I'm clearly this institutional racism aggressive one and there was all this time, you know, because that's how people look at things. They just see a disparity and their brain immediately jumps to some type of bigotry, discrimination racism, sexism, whatever it is, right? They don't think and my immediate thought was oh wow, that's low. How many
applied?
And then, if you look at it, it was like, oh okay, like not that many people. I'm anybody like even applied and when I was there, I was part of something called the Oxford access scheme, which was to do exactly what you were saying. So bring in school students from certain backgrounds, more like it wasn't really, it was like a racial thing per se but more like certain inner cities and state schools and so on places where
Most so Oxford. And Cambridge in the UK are obviously if you adjust these very elite establishments, their kind of viewed as things that there are many people in schools or certain sectors of Life who don't even think that they or their children or whatever can ever go to Oxford or Cambridge. Like it's not it's not even on their radar, right? Like if you go to if you go to like a private boarding school or you know you're in from Eden or hair like there's a whole tradition of people going to Oxford and Cambridge.
But from certain schools it's like no one from that school has ever gone to Oxford or Cambridge like even the teachers or the it's not even on the radar. This the students don't believe they did
guided in a different direction if that even an aspiration. Yeah,
so so this scheme was just to you know show people and encourage academically gifted students regardless of whether they were from a private school or state school or whatever to consider higher
education number one
and if they have the academic jobs potentially Oxford,
Or Cambridge.
And that I
think is the right type of approach. So, if someone does think, oh, okay. There's, you know, like there's okay. There's a, there's a real
disparity here. Like
very, very clear, like some maybe something's going on there, then that's the way to handle it. They had way to handle. It isn't to reduce the bar or to create a quota system where you start Bean counting, how many people love this? We need this many people of this gender and this many people.
These race racial and ethnic groups and so on. Because once you do that you're you the only way you can achieve it with through that method is active discrimination, right? So if you're going to create a quota like you said, you you joked about with the NBA. If you said, there's all kinds of 50% hard cap on you know, over six-foot. Yeah. Then now you have to discriminate against people. Yeah. In order to so-called balanced and out and again
What? You're now creating the problem, right? Because if your claim is that the problem is unfair treatment and unfair discrimination and your idea to remedy that remedy that is unfair treatment and unfair discrimination. Then it's like, well you've just created a problem. This
isn't hypothetical though, this is here in the United States. Yale, yes, which is, you know, the probably equivalent as the school's was accused of and I believe was actually found
Responsible. I don't want to say guilty because I don't know exactly how kind of it and played out, but they had introduced certain quotas and and criteria in the academic application process. And I think that they actually ended up having discriminated against Asians. Yep. And so you like, look at it and you're like, oh, there's someone along the line, was it saying exactly what you're saying and they were like, well, I'm not just gonna go say it, you know, and just move on to the next topic. I'm gonna go bring it to the courts and there was agreement like, yes, you can.
Not do this or you should not do this, which then begs the question of like, what about all the
other schools that? Yeah, I'm doing exactly here. There was a big scandal with it with Harvard as well, discriminating potentially against Asian students and that's um
It's so odd. And it's also it's also bigoted in multiple
directions. This is the
thing, right? So I'll tell you, one thing that I would tell you something I would hate
okay.
And I never say this, but as a black man, and if you never start a sentence with that, right? But I would hate to think or feel that I am in my position or I achieve something simply because I'm like a diverse. I Was A diversity. Hire like that. I got into Oxford.
They just needed more black students. Not because I'm smart enough, or I did well enough in my exams, but just because they lowered the bar for me because I mean, that's the hard bigotry of low expectations. So the things should never be. Oh, let's reduce the standard it's like cool. Like let's try to get we can try to get more people from whatever Community, whatever demographic, over this bar, or encourage people to apply or whatever it is. But I think at that point of application, whether it's a university,
Ursa T position. It's a job whatever. You've got to run with the meritocracy. Yeah. Because otherwise, you are, you're creating really bad conditions and I think, I think it's bad for everyone. I think it sucks for. I mean, an Asian student who has worked hard, who is an individual? Like Asians are not a group like these are individual human beings. A kid who's worked really hard in school and done well in his exams and you're going to make it harder for him to go to a university.
Cuz he's of Asian his because his parents are from Korea from China or something. That is insane. That's racism. Like, that's, that's crazy. Also, oh, there's a kid whose oh, he's parents are Latino or black or and oh we're oh, he's might not be as smart as the Asian or the white get. So let's lower the bar like what are you insane? Like it's it's so backwards to me and that's why I think it's hilarious. How it's called progressivism because like so much stuff that they do is backwards but ya know
I have a real problem with that, and I think it creates so much resentment. It's the same thing. I hate hate the concept of white
privilege. Explain hate it. Why? Because it's racist
and it's bull crap. It's not real, right? Like, it's bad for everybody. I don't see how II we were raised in. Like, a normal time, right? Like it honestly feels like that. Yeah. I like like during the night.
90s, we were just uh I don't know me. I wasn't I grew up in Saudi Arabia but I was like yo I had an extremely diverse classes, what I was like, just whatever, like people are, people treat people as individuals. None of my friends. Are I ever like focused on like what skin color people are? Oh you're variants are from this country or that a whatever we were all just there and it was all cool. Everything was fine and I think that's how like most of us in our generation were raised but people are going back to the sort of like racial essentialism where you're no longer looking at people as individuals.
Walls. But everyone is being made, extraordinarily conscious of what group that they fit into and then not just that. But you are then assigning whether virtues or sins to entire groups, right? So you're telling a young white kid that he is
somehow privileged.
Or he's an oppressor or he should have some type of guilt, some permanent, some type of permanent guilt something, he's never done because centuries ago, someone who shared his melanin content did some, like, on multiple levels. It's just insane. And then you're telling, oh, you're telling the black kid. Now that, okay? Well, society as a whole, all the institutions, the whole system everything is set up against you
Right? You're going to have to work. Five times as hard as your white friends in order to what the police by the. Oh also like you need to stay away from the police because they're all racist and they're probably going to like show you what? Oh and by the way, you should like feel some type of way about you just creating resentment on all these levels. Now, those kids are going to school and they're looking at each other not like, oh, this is my friend, Johnny there, my friend, Billy, it's like, oh well, I'm in this position. I have this color, he has that color and so
I should be treated this way or I can't say this or we should it. I don't like I don't like any of
it. It's almost the again. Reverse extreme. Yes skin color doesn't matter to. Now it's skin colors have
good things every day is they kind of it's yeah it's a it's a regression right? Because that was used to be the problem. Go back to 1850, right? And the 1850 USA, I was like that skin color is everything like that. We should judge people based on this. You know, black people are this and white people are
This and so, therefore this and therefore that and as I broke a we all have knowledge. That was a huge problem. And then it's like, okay, cool. We generally fixed it, got to a place where, you know, 90% of plus people are me. And now you want to reintroduce it again, in the name of, you know, woken us are progressivism. And you now want people again, to start to view our I've heard, you know, these so-called Progressive people saying that, you know, it's bad to be colorblind, right? Oh no, we must see race. We need to see it. We need to talk about it. We need to acknowledge it in every conversation.
Ian Wright, one of these. Whoa keys will come into this conversation and they'll in they'd insert it into this conversation. They'd be there, like, trying to analyze the power dynamic between us to and be like, oh well, you know, he's in this category and he's in this this is DL women's British television. I want to be careful and it's also all the assumptions that come with it as well, right? Like these its operating off such a low resolution worldview, right? These people have this worldview that like every white person is like quaffing.
A on their yacht and has like generations and generations of inherited wealth and what like the completely like ignore the like the vast majority of white people who kind of don't fit the visit fit, the bill. And they also have this idea of like, oh like every black person or every minority person is like, from bro, I've had arguments with people about whether or not I'm impressed.
People try to have people trying to. Convince me. I've had people trying to convince me. I'm impressed, and I'm like, what are you talking about? That's
okay, that's a nice of them, right? I'm like,
I like, what are you even talking about? Because they will, because they have all their, like, academic theories, and whatever, and I'm like, bro, my dad is a doctor like I've never wanted for I'm not I am privileged, right? I went to freaking Oxford. I went to boarding school, like I'm from a great family. My parents have been married for like
80-something years. I'm healthy. I was born in the UK. Did I? Like I've got so many like
They're like, oh, but you know, still you're somehow, I'm somehow still a victim apparently of systemic. And I'm just like, bro.
Stop, did you see the viral tweet? The guy was joking good. He was like recently visited like a Portland coffee shop and they're really taking this. Seriously. They have created an area. No White's on
my God, whatever. Dude and he basically any basically who
is like describing segregation but like doing it from the like what
You know, some universities have that
now. Oh, and there are real
places. Yeah, there's universities that have that now that have spaces for people of color.
Or what do they have different terms for them but yeah, they've brought back actual
segregation. Yeah, I saw a video also things like a maybe a library or something of course on college campus. And there was a guy who's like sitting at his computer and somebody yelling, I don't know. I'm saying that they were feeling, I think insane, they were feeling unsafe because he was in their presence and like again you see these videos and you're just like
Literally, the guy two minutes ago could have been yelling and screaming and threatening people and they doing all this stuff. And then also, you just see like this cam scene. But if you just take it at face value and say, like, okay, there's no outlier. There's no you, no exception to the rule. It's just like some guys, sit in there. Whatever
the one you mean? He had the blue live sticker on his blue lives matter sticker on his laptop is the Tooth. The two white guys. Yes. And then there's the girls and they're they're like and they're just going off on going off - and
I was just think of these situations and I'm like, is this because
Humans are bored and I'll give you a context has. So I've been reading a book and it describes one section, 1872, 1970. And it basically makes the argument, like, there was so much human progress that happened in that time period because of Technology inventions of the automobile electricity, all this stuff, the elevator created Urban density, the automobile created horizontal speed. So we now can move things faster, we had the steam engine. We started going through all that Industrial
Lucien like all these things were happening and it was just an explosion. But in order to describe how great that time period was, that's a explain to you what life was and then you know 1870s and before and basically the take away is like that shit was horrible. Yeah and some of the key details are men work till they died. There was no retirement. Social security is no anything like literally you worked because it the day you stopped working, your family stopped eating and so they worked in the fields. Also, 75% of Americans. In 1870, were in rule.
O'Leary has over 70 percent of all workers. Worked in what we're categorises, unpleasant jobs and women inside of the household, had immense responsibilities and physical labor, in terms of carrying flour and water. And all these different things that a, so their own clothes that are dual stuff, and the homes were all unconnected. They call done networked, meaning that they had no gas electricity, no running water like any of this stuff.
That is a hard life that we are. Very fortunate. Today, we'd have to do that. There's technology that does a bunch of this. Our homes are all connected, like, all these different things. The shift from unpleasant to Pleasant jobs is like basically a 180.
Also, you're saying they weren't debating about pronouns and misgender know, they were out in the working field, with the mule Tata, make sure that they had food for the winter. And so I can you look at this and you're like, yo, we got it so good that
people are bored and like,
You want to know how I know we're bored. Go check every person's cellphone and see the hours spent on Instagram, Twitter, Tick-Tock, and YouTube. And by the way, you can be learning about educational stuff or you can be Doom. Scroll is, and we all do both. But like, if you spend an hour on your phone basically, just rotting your brain. Yeah, you got an easy life. Yes. Because anyone who has a hard life doesn't have that luxury and so it's like is this the end?
A result of basically just being so so free so good in life that we debate this shit.
Yeah. We like yeah we're living through an overcorrection of multiple sorts. Do you know why I talk about this stuff? Well it's because of what you it's literally because of what you just said because I recognize how good we have it and how freaking long, it's taken for things to get here and I'm like, guys don't mess it up.
Don't mess it up. The conversation. We were just having about you know, racial Harmony
Dude, look around the world. Look through history. People were freaking racist, man. Like like it was horrible. People used to enslave each other segregate brutalize each other call each other. Like just nasty stuff. People used to like people. He's got lynched bro. Like it was the KKK at its peak had over 4 million members, the KKK had members like in people in Congress they had Governors they had met like in the KKK like the governor mentioned the governor of a state being in the cake like that used to be okay.
Not even 100 years ago and it's fucking why. That's what? I'm sorry. Like that is fucking insane. It is. That's what I mean. So when I hear people say like all you know, racism is just as bad as it's always been. In fact is getting worse, like, dude, what are you talking about? Like we can recognize things not being perfect and we can strive for better, right? We all have ways we want Society to improve, but if you are going to Discount the progress that's been made over the past,
Past Century Two centuries, then it's going to lead to you to this area where you lack perspective and you like gratitude. And when you lack perspective and you like gratitude as you, you problematize things. You create problems where they don't exist. And if you're not careful, you can make things worse, right? So human nature. I don't believe has fundamentally changed over those centuries, right? What has changed the two advantages that we have as people who are alive in 2022, the cute two big advantages.
Have over our grandparents and great-grandparents is number one, we have better stuff, we have more technology, we have the internet, we have the opportunity and the tools to just do cool stuff. Right. We have new tools and we have knowledge of the
history. Hmm.
So rather than trying to reinvent the wheel all the time, we can look back and go. How do we know segregations a bad idea? How do we know that racial segregation is a bad idea, right? Oh, cuz we can look at apartheid. You can look at Jim Crow. You can look at how this has happened in different place.
You can see what it led to. You can see man, that was like a moral deficiency. It led to this problem, it lets it that probably, it was, you know, it was just wrong, right? You can look back. How do we know that slavery is wrong? Because it was tried for thousands of years across different countries and yeah like we don't even need to debate it's just like okay that was clearly wrong but and those are the only two advantages we have fundamentally. We have the same Hardware, right? Our brains operate in the same way like we have the same bodies and the same organs. And so let's not be like let's not be stupid with that.
Knology. And with that knowledge, let's use it. Let's be like, okay, like here are some things that we should repeat. These are great things, we've inherited from our ancestors, and this is worked really well for society. And we should maybe keep those institutions going. I mean, a great example of this to me is like marriage marriage in marriage in the family. So I okay. Well, every country, every culture all across the side really hundred thousands of years. They've all had this institution and brought children into the world primarily under the since the edit and it's worked well for and places who
Tried something. Totally different. They're not around anymore or they're very small or whatever or LED to chaos. So that's probably a good idea that maybe that's something we should keep doesn't mean everyone has to get married or whatever it does need to be enforced. But generally speaking. Cool. Like that's a good institution and then the stuff that's bad. Okay, cool. Like we can we can jettison that. Let's keep that, let's get rid of that. And this to me, is just where the proper balance between, what people, what you could call conservatism liberalism and progressivism.
Is right. It's you conserve the things that are working well and lead to a positive functioning society and happiness. You have liberalism which in its proper sense allows prioritises the rights and freedoms of the individual. You can make your choices regardless of you know who you are and these categories do you fit into whatever you have, the free choice to live your life? As you see fit, you have the right to
Speak, you have the right to practice or not, practice a religion. You have the right to freedom of Association. So on right? You have your basic fundamental rights and then what progressivism should mean is okay. Look there are still some things that we need to improve their things. Their changes that we can make, let's balance these things out, and let's do this. Let's do this carefully, right? Let's do this carefully. If you are driving a car and it's like, you know, if someone gets in a car and is ask me a
It better to accelerate or brake.
Uncle Woody, you know, it's best to turn left or right. Well, yes, you're right. So when people go to these kind of like radical ends of say, what people call progressivism, it's just changed at all costs, just just change everything, just flip the whole thing on his no. Get rid of that good. It's like, bro, but nothing works like, why do you want to get rid of this stuff? It's like, no, just go just slam your foot on the accelerator and it's like, dude, you're gonna crash the wall? Yeah. Similarly, if you just like hold down the break.
Hold the Rope. No, you can't change anything like no, we must conserve and preserve complete status quo. It's all right. Well, you don't move anywhere. You don't go forward. So this is actually why, you know, I think some people won't like me saying this but this is the value of having dialogue between people of different socio, political perspectives and so on, right? Because there is value and intelligence in each one and they all check each other.
Right? So the natural conservative tendency is hit the brake, right? The progressive tendency is hit the accelerator. So it's actually, if you have a sensible dialogue and you bring people together, then we can have an honest and mature conversation. Yeah, people are going to have people are going to disagree might get you know heated at times and so on it's not going to you're never going to have like this perfect harmony because people are different, but I think you can have a good balance where Society is slowly.
He improving. I think that's generally what we what we have had. I think it's still what we do have. I think we're just in a like a messy, very messy phase of it and with the introduce introduction of smart, phones and social media, it's made at all fought. It's made it faster and it's made it more chaotic because you now have access to billions of people's thoughts and opinions and ideas. Whereas before that was all just in people's heads and you couldn't see it and you can and yeah. And then you've got the bought interference. That's not my problem. It's
It's not too special.
I am going to nominate my account for the single worst. Twitter account terms. The bot problems crazy. I-i've thought I haven't done it yet. I did it one time like kind of half-heartedly but like I thought every time that I tweet, I should just tag the CEO of Twitter so that his notifications get as many of the Bots. That's mine. And the problem be fixed tomorrow. Like it's literally hundreds, right? I went and I looked the other day and I had blocked manually over 1000 of
Oz and I went and then they've been wiping them, right? So they're doing something, it's just, they're not stopping the ones from actually getting posted and I blocked a bunch more Mi MEK over 1,000 and I was like, I've probably spent hours of my life.
Fighting hand-to-hand
combat on the internet with
some of the fucking bottle Farm outside the United States somewhere and there's somebody who's just running a script and they're like, here you go. Mother fucker, right? Like, how
quick can you report and
block these people? Yeah, and I'm like, I don't know. But I'm gonna try because it probably is unusable without it.
It's annoying. Be Ginger. It's also annoying because it's so easy to fix. That's not a, that's not a hard problem to fix. Anyone who has seen.
Z by Nancy in
their fucking name and isn't the verified account block them?
Like, okay, I just solved 80% of the bot problem and literally I thought for 10 seconds about it, right? Like it's so
simple. Yeah, I remember when Ilan brought up the idea of verification and people freaked out because they were so you can have to submit like your social security number and that's like Dude I don't think that's what he means. I could I think you're going a little high on his own. He is social security number to prove you're not a bot.
I don't think he wants like full-on, you know, kyc I think it's just a basic verification of humanity which in itself could cut down that nonsense, probably by 80 90
percent. You know, it's going to become discriminatory because they're going to come up with a verification for like celebrities. Hmm. And then like the common person and does not already exist. Well, if now there's different colored checkmarks
Riley I'm but this is the game.
It's like, well, why do they get the blue
one? But in blue people, blue people,
you're like, wait, what is going on?
You know, they haven't done an experiment with that where they've just like, giving people like different colored stickers. And so, really, I mean, every yeah, and and they band together and start even to some degree start mistreating people who have the gym who
loves and I think it's Yosemite National Park know so I don't know exactly.
How they captured it. But there's an image that I saw going around and they were able to track different packs of wolves in this National Park. And you know, if you imagine tracking a pack of wolves it's like a bunch of lines everywhere, right? Because they're moving around and must have been for months if not years
Each pack has its own color. Okay? When you zoom out, look at the map. It's like the blue lines are. All right here, the pink ones are here. The red ones are here, the green ones are here. The yellow ones are here, and basically, the takeaway was like the Wolves don't fuck with each other. Mmm, they stay with their pack.
And literally, there was no blue
going into the red area. Like, it's almost like gangs, right? Like, just like, they knew what the rules of the road were, and they stayed in their pack and my take away from. It was like, you mean to tell me that it's
Literally like a genetic, like, Nash natural thing that people tend to stay in packs. Mmm, the wolves. Do it, humans, do it. I'll stop. Now again, that doesn't mean that you can't go to another pack, doesn't mean that you can't have social Mobility, all these different things but like there's like a biology conversation somewhere in there that if the wolves do it and humans do it. Maybe it's not humans maliciously, doing stuff.
Hmm and again there's exceptions fine but that was more eye-opening to me than anything else that I've seen in this conversation around like yo you tell me the wolves. Do the shit
that humans are being accused of maybe it's not a human thing. Oh do? No. No, it's not at all man. Tribalism is a biological thing and they're tribalism just exists. It's not good nor bad. It's just it just
exists, right? Positive and negative impact from it, but it's just a thing that exists. Yeah, it's a thing that
And again, if you if we communicate, intelligently, and again, I do think that to give props to most Western countries. Certainly the USA. Certainly, the UK have made fantastic Headway in this direction, in moving away, from overly, toxic tribalism. I mean, you need tribalism because we're all members of families and communities, and then on top of that, we have nationalities people are from Sir. So you
Oh, that's fine. People even what people support, right? You people have their sports teams that they support or whatever, and you can have, you know, some fun tribalism there. But as soon as you start, like, oh you beat somebody up because they were the wrong football, jersey or you, you know, you get like, two levels of hooliganism or you get to, as we've discussed, you know, racism or a let going. Let alone going to genocides like, okay. Like the tribalism is gone way way, way too far. So I think the key thing is that, yeah, just recognizing that that exists and then
What's the best thing you can do? I often think of just going up a level, right? So if you think of how tribalism Works, we're all members of multiple different tribes, but if you actually go up a level, you gain more commonality. All right, so if someone is like getting people are getting stuck in this tribalism and division over here, it's like wait, why don't you all go up one level and you'll see what you have in common. All right and this is something that's particularly crazy when you look at certain things that have happened in history or even
Certain conflicts that are still going on, which are weird. I mean if you okay, take the religious line, I mean, look at, look at Northern Ireland, right? Was that whole conflict between the Protestants and the Catholics? And I'm like bro you're all Christian.
And you're Irish, you're all Irish Christians, right? Why you bombing each other, right? Or who's they're wrong? Who have a slightly different interpretation of the Bible? Or, who's most Islamic terrorism and it's aimed at other other Muslims, right? And I'm like, man, that's that's so wild. That's that shows how toxically tribal people can get, man. You look at, obviously people always use the example of like the Holocaust, but something much more recently. I mean,
The Rwandan Genocide. Hmm, I don't know how much, you know, listeners have looked into that but that's such a horrible story but
It's like man, it shows you the power of unhinged tribalism and when the media and politicians get involved in and start stoking tensions, like these are all rwandans, right? You've got Tootsie's you got who to and you had about million people killed slaughtered, not by a government Machine by their own neighbors. Primarily with machetes, this is just 1994, right? And people kind of like gloss over this. I think oftentimes things that happen in Africa are glossed over in the West.
Um, the only kind of talk about Africa, when it's convenient, but when you look at these stories is why looking at history is important. Like, I'm not a historian but I like to look at stories of History because it teaches you really about the human condition. And because we haven't fundamentally changed in our Hardware in our biology. It's really important to recognize that because
and this is why I think it makes people uncomfortable because if you do it honestly you realize that you have to face your own shadow. You have to face the darkness, right? Everyone wants to imagine. Oh if I was in Nazi Germany I would have freed the Jews. I wish
done.
The majority, the majority, the other would be people who would
do, I'm in the majority, would have either been Nazis or have been sympathetic to them or have just kept their heads down, that's the truth and no one wants to even like an
illusion. How do we know that? Well, because that's what majority of people didn't if any one of those three group.
Yes, that, that that's just what happens. And so, one reason why I'm even how I am is because I've really thought about a lot of this stuff.
Really thought about I've looked at the know, I've read the gulag archipelago. I've read ordinary, man. I've read certain things and looked at even certain studies the Milgram experiment, you know, Ashman and say, okay, the Dynamics when people are in groups or in tribes what like this can lead to this really loopy and even very dark and violent stuff. So even when I was in my say, in my my 20s I was thinking okay if I were ever in this kind of situation what are my boundaries and principles and how should I
Die. How should I behave? Because there's this group, think, thing, that happens. And there's when fear takes over and I'm just like, okay, I need to think about this and I've spent a lot of time kind of doing that mental work of like, okay, hopefully, in my lifetime. Nothing, that bad is ever going to happen or be coming down the pipeline. But if it does, these are the things to be aware of. And you understand how the fear takes over, and how the social pressure takes over and how, you know the authorities.
Even even just the way people defer to Authority which can again, it's not always something that's inherently bad, right? We all need, we all need to be able to be leaders. Sometimes in followers sometimes right, Andre for being honest, even people who are leaders. You probably spend more time following than leading for them for the most part. So, it's not that deference to Authority is a bad thing, but the authority has to be, has to be. Good, has to be valid, has to be legitimate. And you can't just
Was that will those magic words? I was just following orders right? That that doesn't cut it. Right? There comes a time where you have to be like no I'm not gonna I'm not going to do this thing that completely goes against my morals or my ethics are my values. Just because I was told to and that line is different for different people but I do recommend people think about it and have one
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Larger Resurgence. I don't know if you can see its large but it's growing of people who are starting to speak out about all kinds of stuff. Obviously the pandemic was kind of a wake-up call for lots and lots of people and everything. Wait, hold on a second. This kind of crazy stuff one of the people injured. Tate. Yep. Took the World by storm and then especially got kicked off all social media platforms. Yeah, what do you think about the state Ade platforming and censorship and like how bad
is it right? Yeah. Free top G-Men.
Before I answer that question, this back here has been really fascinating to see that because I had them on my podcast in February 20, 19. And then I visited him and his brother in Romania in 2020 and I was hanging out with him in Dubai, actually earlier this year. So it's interesting when somebody who, you know, becomes this sort of like Global conversation and you're seeing like, 90% of what I read about him online is wrong, which is interesting.
Because I'm like, I know this guy like what people are just saying crazy stuff so, but yeah, in terms of D platforming. Its it sucks, man. Honestly, it sucks. It's extraordinarily illiberal, it's actually, dude. I mean again, I don't think people think about the stuff deeply
enough.
Dady platformed.
The former president of the United
States of America.
From multiple platforms, simultaneously.
I don't care whether you like Trump disliked romp wet. That is he insane? That should freak you out.
Like that should free. Like I
don't he technically was still present when they did it. You
was still the sitting president of the United States, some of them, bad Twitter, Instagram, Facebook like in a coordinated, you know, off of a very fuzzy notion that he I mean, he didn't directly didn't call for violence. He didn't actually people are all well, he broke his eye. You can't even like, people just repeat stuff, people just parent stuff. But here's here's a. Here's another issue that
happens sitting part, by the way. Yeah. Is like, when people are like, oh, it happen.
I think so. We were like, and it still happened, he's still not allowed back on, but the sitting president of the United States of America. And again, if they were to go and do it to Joe Biden, I would still be just as much. Yes, yo, yo, hold on because it becomes a thing where who's in charge, dude. It's crazy like, wait what?
Yeah, dude, I anyone who celebrated that you're a dummy. If you say, if you celebrated Trump being D platformed you are
A
fool because it goes back to the idea of never use a tool that you wish for your enemy to never to never have access to. Yeah. Right. And so like if Twitter got sold and they went and they hired somebody and they wanted to go after all the Democrats think, there'd be a lot of people. Oh, shit. Yeah, right. And so it doesn't, it's not a political left or right thing to me, it's just a again. There are exceptions of, if you
For violence, if you do certain things, okay? Got it
But it feels like there's this world of just, like, you got too much power as a user. And I think that, you know, if you look at Tate, it's not very clear to me as tall like why he got taken off all these
do do, do, do you know, I mean, I suppose I spoke to him the day that it happened because I had called him immediately. I was like, dude.
Like that just happen.
This is when he know his YouTube had his in, it was just his Instagram and Facebook, but I, you know, his YouTube hadn't been taken down and so on and then, you know, that came a follow a couple days later.
Do you know coincidence? Yeah. But this is this. It's important for people to understand this because he did not violate. He did. He didn't post anything. The Violator the policies, you know the policy they banned him under. No, was the dangerous individuals or organizations?
So they just some affair with spend too much
truth. So if you think, why does this policy exists this policy exists? So that the the Ku Klux Klan can't have
An official Instagram page, this this exists, so that Al-Qaeda cannot be putting out recruitment videos on YouTube, Etc. That's why, you know, dangerous persons and organizations. So they've essentially thrown him in that same category with the worst like actual terrorists, actual murders, actual Jenna Seidel Maniacs because they and this is how they weaponize. These words the words they weaponized. So some of the most dangerous words, the being used these days.
Are dangerous safety harm and harmful that's how they always phrase it, right? It's always, oh, we need to protect you. We need to protect. You write all. This is harmful, is this misinformation? This is this, the all this is harmful, you made that person feel unsafe. You probably saw the other day about, you know, the from the podcast thing. When bench. Did you see the red one with Ben Shapiro? No, you didn't see. You didn't see the whole, the podcast thing in Dallas know where this I was like, oh my God.
Is a conference where he showed up to a conference. And then they said, people felt unsafe
because this year, we apologize for the harm, his presence caused his presence, just
as a powerful motherfucker Sound by
five foot, eight, Jewish man in Kapaa, or, you know, standing there and pop laughter his organization, spend 30 grand to rent a booth and sponsor the event.
Dude, like the whole thing is wild, but this is the weaponization of language, right? During during the pandemic, why were they kicking people out? He's are harmful spreading. Harmful disinformation misinformation. There's people who literally put out facts, right? 3D platformer doctors, lady platform. Scientists are so harmful misinformation. And so that's sort of safety language. It's how they D platform trumpets, how they D platform tape prior to this by though? Because I've been on Twitter since 2009. So I remember when this all started because for the first up until about 2014 2015 and no one, no one.
About
getting D platform. That's when they got a. What was Alex Jones? Alex Jones. But then there was another McGinnis, another conservative guy, Milo you novelists. That's,
yeah, there were like a bunch of them. It was all people on the right, you know, and they always start with the people who are more objectionable, right? So again people nowadays, these dummies celebrating and rotates ban, it's like, oh so okay, you considered him on. Okay. A couple of years ago, they considered Alex Jones on The Fringe and they considered Milo innopolis and go their way.
They were on three. All right. Now you consider and retain do dummies. Not realize that as that closes in, you are at some point you're going to be standing on the edge of that island is it's crumbling all around you.
You know that the YouTube video we put up and rotate the title was and rotate is the new actions. Yeah, because it was so obvious. Really an interview by the way, that that was going to be the game. It's just like oh you're saying things are outside and I joke about like all that somebody's saying too much truth, right? Whether certain Shapiro take whatever. But you know, what the most telling part
Entire engine Tate situation to me was Tommy. He came out the last myth, the last message than an hour and ten minute video, it came out and I said, you know, I owe this guy my time. He did a bunch of stuff, he sent all his stuff and everything people have been asking me, how you met him? What is he? Like, all stuffing everything, right? And I said,
The fact that somebody would ask me that tells me that you're a critical thinker, right? Because you're like, hey, I see all the stuff on the internet, but was he really likes my? Let me talk to somebody who at least talk to him because I can't talk to him, or whatever. It's like, okay cool. But then I'd be at dinner and other people be chirpin and, you know, saying all some crazy shit in everything and I just had a specific human
trafficker. He's just like, you have no clue because you're,
you have an opinion about somebody that you've never spoken to people. So, when that came out, I took it and a bunch of these group chats and stuff with people who, you know, for generally have big audience
Is or if much whatever I put it in there, I said, listen what do you like this person or not? Whatever your preconceived notion is. Watch this. Yeah. See what you think if you want to watch it because you think that this is the 21st century way of communication and this is like, you know, you're studying the tactics, not the content, cool, you'll get some value out of it. But if you actually want to know more about the person watch this. Hmm. And I'd love to hear you guys all think.
I can't tell you how many people responded as so I have time to watch it. Yeah of course it's our on and they didn't even look at it. Yeah. But then they cut I saw them. They were still sharing opinions about everything and I said look I don't expect people to defend some of they don't know. I don't also expect people to go back to kind of the behavior conversation. Have some crazy opinion either way or whatever but if you do have an opinion yes yo yourself the informed okay I go get the
information and another thing is you know people need to stop this thing of conflating.
Defend, you know, like I like say I'll I don't I will defend and Route 8 himself but not that he needs me to, he can defend himself but you can defend, its defend principles. There are principles that if you are someone with principles and values, simply if you are some, if you believe in the concept of freedom of speech, right? Not just on a legal level, not just on this narrow legal of but it's actually a cultural issue. To freedom of speech is not supposed to just be a legal concept. It's also
So a social and cultural concept, right? You could, if you have, if you have freedom of speech. So called protected under the law, but like society, and societally, and culturally, it's absolutely not tolerating then you don't really have it. If people are terrified to speak and say basic things, then you're not supporting freedom of speech. So, anyone who I, whether I wasn't my personal feelings about the person or what they're saying, whether I agree with them politically are, I don't care. I will defend the principle.
Someone having a right to voice what they want to voice for a huge number of reasons. Another thing that's also been getting lost in our in our society. And maybe, I don't know, I don't know if this is linked to the loss of religion, because it can, you know, religion can also overly be used to kind of push the opposite, but
Forgiveness and salvation, right? This is one of the I don't think like, yes, Hoosier of social media private company, you can do whatever you want. Like bro, I'm largely libertarian, like I'm not even arguing that but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should this Cuts in all directions and also you need to give people a pathway to people change. You need to give people a pathway to forgiveness and salvation and understanding and so on if
Just I mean, even though the proper legal system, understands this right, there are people who have killed people who are walking free, that's people who have raped robbed, burgled people who are walking for a they serve their time. They spent 25 years in prison. They did their whole sentence fingers crossed. They actually reformed and they changed and now they're in integrated productive member of society. Get you don't condemn the person forever. Oh, you stole something. When you were 17, we're going to lock you up forever in jail, and we're going to throw away the key.
Do
you have you tweet? If you tweet bad things you don't get to come back. I
don't think I don't permanent ban shouldn't exist. I know that social media is not everything but bro, like majority of the world is on social media billions of people use, it is where the conversations happen. So the idea that you said something in 2014 which Twitter felt cross on and so never again, can you use? That is insane to me, bro. That's crazy. Even if you did actually cross line, how about, okay.
One-year ban, you know, one-year ban after that, you know, you learn as you can, you can come back and play. Nice. But the idea that you just kick people off forever, especially to do it. So arbitrarily to me is, I think it sets a I think it sends a really bad message, and I think also. And this has been studied. I know that the guys at minds.com studied this, they're great. It radicalizes people, more course. It radicalize people more. How do you get someone to change their mind? You have to talk to them and I understand, trust me. I understand that having conversations with sir.
And people is not fun and it's not really like there's people out there who are just so far gone. I'm like, dude, I don't want it, I don't want to sit down and really have a conversation with like an actual white supremacist or something, right? But that's the only way to get them to change their views. You have to hear them out. You have to rebut them. You have to talk. I believe that good ideas ultimately win. If you don't censor, I do believe, the good idea is generally will generally will float to the top, not all the time, not 100%, but
You let people voice their stuff, you let them have that concerns. You can correct them on this. You can debate this. And just censoring that person and pushing them out to the corner. And then who do they go hang with. And who are they conversing with right there? Just with the other band people. All right? That's the one of the problems you've had with some of the alternative social media platforms, especially something like a bright because it's like become the home of everyone. Everyone who got kicked off of everything else. Now goes to this one platform and it's like it's not it's not moderated at all.
It's just like, okay well you can kind of just say whatever on there and people are going to like back you up and reinforce that. And so you believe it's even more and more true and it increases the polarization, it's not helping. I think there's this natural tendency as human beings. When we see or we hear something. We don't like like I understand censorship because it's not hard to understand. If someone says something that that offends you or you don't like or you have a visceral reaction to the Natural inclination is to want to shut that
person up,
right? You
You you that's the that's the first urge that's like the biological urges shot this person up. Get them out of my sight. I don't even want to talk to them, I don't want. In fact, they shouldn't even be allowed to say what they're saying. I get where that tendency comes from but we have to be able to fight it because ultimately in this country you've got about three hundred forty million people in this world. We've got about eight billion people. No, two people are the same. There's no two people on this planet. Who agree on. Absolutely. Everything doesn't exist. We are all different. We have our
Different, social views, cultural views, personalities, religious views. Political like we're just were different, right? You good thing. Yes. And it's a good thing and it's, and it's fine. And we need to be able to coexist, right? So, if I look at a country like the USA, I talk about the u.s. a lot. I'm here right now, but also it is, the USA. Truly is a leader. I don't know if Americans always understand just how much
When people call the u.s.a. the leader of the Free World, that's not just a cute name, that's actually what it is, right? Other countries across Europe, Australia, Canada, the UK. They take cues from the USA, even non-western countries take cues from the USA. So what happens in the USA? Does matter, right? Whether it's with the music that becomes popular here becomes popular in other countries, the ideas that become popular here often become popular in other places and so that's why because someone some Americans don't go all like you know, mind your own business while.
Talking about the UN. It's like, dude, because it impacts everyone, it impacts everyone. And you've got such a big population and all men. Sorry I'm losing. My, what was the initial point? I was, I was going to make, what? Yes, people need to be able to coexist. Yeah, right. If you're going to have all that diversity in every true sense of the word, then you need a way of having things. You need. Not, not just at you need a legal structure, obviously, but
also culture changes and things that were not previously.
Isabel become acceptable? Yes, and in Reverse. So there's a lot of people who the mob came for because the things they said in 2000. And I always remind folks, you want to know the single best way that I found especially men, but to figure out how much culture has changed. Go on YouTube and search The Man Show Jimmy, Kimmel, mmm, and Adam.
Let us show comedy central this show but it called The Man Show it was for men. Yeah, it had women in like bikinis jumping on trampolines, they were drinking beer and doing dude, shit. Yeah, right. I told somebody that this show existed like that should never was on television. I said it was on fucking regular Gable. Like, it wasn't a pay-per-view. Why didn't, you know it was like, literally, if you just
Like had the cable at the house. You could get the show and they were like, no way. So we went first. The very first episode from this show is on YouTube. You will wash five minutes to this me. How did they ever
are truly? Like, there's
no, like, what were they thinking? Yeah, but it was a different time. Yeah. And so obviously, what was okay? Then is now viewed as not. Okay, okay. But the reverse happens, there's things that you couldn't say three years ago that now you can say. And so if
Somebody was punished or kicked off or whatever. How do you accommodate or account for what if things change? And now what they're saying is like an accepted thing? Hmm. And Zero Hedge was it was probably the example where we saw his most. They were the first time about the lab League kicked off immediately. The second they got kicked off. I was like somebody's gone to find out some more information. Yes. Now we have politicians, I would argue that actually there's the most common theory now.
Number of politicians who think it's the most likely that some of the most likely Theory. And so again they got reinstated and and all stuff but like I'm as if they've been kicked off of any platform and not allowed back, it was a permanent ban and then all of a sudden, three years later said we're like oh yeah, everyone thinks this. Yeah. You bring them
back. Yeah, I agree. Man. That's the, that's the Salvation component. I think a big part of it also is just maturity, I think a lot about
Like how mature we are as a society. And I think that we've been some of this stems from the comfort, you alluded to earlier, but we are, we've had a lot of infantile ization of adults over the past few decades to a level. That is where people cannot handle and regulate their own emotions. I call it emotional incontinence and we essentially are catering.
Going to the most neurotic, most scaredy-cat, most easily offended, most easily, triggered people. It's like, it's like a race to the bottom. And instead of trying to encourage people to become more resilient and strong mentally, physically, and emotionally, we're trying to Nerf the whole world.
Right? So instead of so, instead of telling the person who wants to cry because someone called them, not their preferred pronoun. Instead of telling that person like look, man,
Be strong. It's not, it's not, it's not the end of the world, right? People talk like people, generally refer to People based on the biological gender that they think they are. And so like role I get over it, just get over it instead, it's like, oh no, we need Nate need to get 99.9% of people who never had any issue ever with how pronouns are used. Now, you all need, we need to change the entire English language and your understanding of it to cater to this.
Even point one percent of people write like this. Whoa, one guy on Twitter got offended. So we all need to cater to the, by the way, we had the same thing during the pandemic, right? Instead of just going, okay, look there's a certain segment of the population that's particularly vulnerable to this disease in. There should be certain accommodations and perhaps policies and things put in place for them instead it's like no, we need to treat everyone the same, right? We because this there's this, you know, 1% of people
8% of you need to completely sideline your entire lives for two years because of this. And by the way, it might
somehow offended people would have been if they said old people and unhealthy people and you were anything below the age of 60 and you were doing and
how, you know, do you know, who wouldn't have been offended old, people? Of course, isn't that funny? Of course, people who are most vulnerable. I remember early. I remember early on, in it when I was in the okay, well, yo, it was safe.
I remember, I remember whatever, you know, whatever, I was like gonna go around mask. Looks like the rubble. I am like other people. I see not wearing masks, were almost always over 60. It was hilarious. That I own, I've been in the supermarket and, you know, all the everyone in that group of teenagers to 40s. There are you all wearing the mask on? And then I'm just saying like some old guy or some old woman, just got around with another girl like that that like no one even. That was there ever a poll done on elderly? People asking if they even all this was done. Supposedly,
Lie in their name. It's like do they even want that? Is that even what like why can't they take care of themselves. But again, it's this infantile ization and that because that's how you treat children. You don't let children make all their own choice. You have until you. You don't even get to choose what you eat for breakfast. Maybe maybe we'll have two cereals and you can pick one, right? But that's what they're that's how they're treating adults now. Right, there's there's this loss of idea of adults are mature and there.
For you, can give them a level of autonomy and Liberty, and freedom, and ability to make their own choices and so on. It's like, no, we need to take that away and be more authoritarian because we can't trust the people to make their own decisions. And I think that people need to stop playing into that. And I think that when you encourage this censorship or safe spaces or D platforming everyone, you disagree with or whatever and you're discouraging conversation and debate and discourse.
Then it it furthers the problem and you are appeasing, again, you're appeasing the weakest Links of course, your app using the weakest links and we've never done that before. We've gone from survival of the fittest to tyranny of the
weakest. Speaking of survival of the fittest. What's up with the secretary of state in the UK, or Secretary of health of the new one? The new one doesn't look healthy. Yeah, and then I saw a line up of a bunch of Secretary of Health across all these countries.
A lot of them don't look very healthy. Now I don't think that Arnold Schwarzenegger is the expectation, right? Of like somebody who's like a bodybuilder or like super, super fit. Because they do nothing but work out all day.
But there is some irony to the fact that a number of people who supposedly are in charge of the health of tens of millions. Hundreds of millions of people, may not actually be healthy themselves.
Now we don't live in serious countries, bro.
The weird. I often. It's strange because it's a cross, the road. I mean, do you remember the old one from Belgium? Yes. Like this isn't me trying to be mean to people but if you are here, here's a controversial opinion. I think that if you are a personal trainer or a health secretary or a health check, I think you should be in shape.
Like, I mean, I don't think that's too much to ask for. I feel the same. When I see like an obese personal trainer, and I'm, like, I practice what you preach. I thought, if I'm gonna hire a financial advisor and they are like, broken, massively in debt.
Is he when you say it this way, people I call this is ridiculous. Warren Buffett who's, like, somehow is escaped all of the mob, whatever. One of his like, famous quotes,
Is Wall, Street is the only place where millionaires ride in. Nice cars to go, get advice from people who are the subway, hmm. Right. Like basically the rich people are getting advice from people who may not be rich. And again I don't think that take money as an example to be a financial advisor. You have to be rich. I called really. Yeah like Richard then your put like it goes back to. Like maybe you just need to have good financial habits. Yeah. And guess what, have you good financial habits? You will eventually build. You should some level of
Well, yes, you shouldn't be ultra broken.
And same thing with Fitness, you don't to be the bodybuilder. You wanna be an ultra marathon but like,
Be generally eating healthy, be generally taking care of yourself and whatever way. Like, if somebody, if I Health Minister, we're going to call them right was like, you know what, I go for a 30 minute. Walk every day, I eat healthy and generally feel good and and all that great. Like that's what we're for that person. They seem to care. It is there like putting things into practice and by the way that's gonna be the message. It's also just modeling,
you know, it's role modeling man. I mean boot bro, I've read into fitness books.
If like, just that alone means, I can't be out of
shape.
Like like even from my own perspective, if I'm ever like I'm like, bro, I literally wrote Fitness, but I tell people about Fitness I cannot let myself go back, right? Like that's embarrassing dude. It's like bro. Like you're not even likewhat are you read your own book and take you over here? Is just like it's such a it's such a basic thing, but
people on the internet. Also live, you grow accustomed to the trolls. So, like, what? Like, before you tweet something you like?
Much know. I got here with the trolls will say, or like, hey, let me say that in a way that takes away their like, arguing or whatever. I think that those same people in the real world like, you know, right. You're like, I get out of shape, some
trolls, read your own book, I feel like there's this, like conditioning that
happens. Where you're constantly. Always just like our what I
said that troll in my own head like that. That's why I'm assuming you're good at what you do this because you're like, I fucking assholes. I got your argument already. Hold myself accountable before I before anybody else does. But man politics
Is so weird though, in that regard because I don't I don't know why I flip flop between thinking the whole thing is just kind of a game or an illusion or like, it's real. I don't know. But I believe, I feel like any every American I know, all of my American acquaintances or friends, I believe would be a better president than the current one, all of them, I think you'd be a better person in the job. I think everyone you're a staff. I think. So I'm always how
Even when you look at like the mayor level or the, you know, I think floor floor at it while we're in for Miami and Florida. Both have you. No good Mayors and governors I believe, but like around the country, I just see some of the mayor's and some other there. So goofy. I'm just like, how is this person? How did this person become the leader? Because I'll go to the city or whatever and I'm like, bro. Like you you you like any of you could do this better,
have you seen there's one race?
Specifically, I think it's in Pennsylvania or say it's in Congress. Maybe they got two guys and I pay so little attention to this that I'm Stephanie, but I think it's this guy John fetterman and dr. Oz, yes. And the only reason why I know those two guys are running against each other is because somebody took a video of dr. Oz like yelling and screaming, whatever about the other guy and John fetterman guy. You always cared about him and they put it like back to back and they were like
Dude, what the fuck is going on here? And it's just like, man. Those are the two choices that some group of people have. It's been like, I don't know what their policies are, I don't know, like anything, right?
But it wasn't exactly like a video that made me be like, you know what? Hey, wake up and be better. Yeah, and I think that's part of this whole like role model thing is, I think again people will debate president's. If you start at the top used to be aspirational in the sense of people wanted that job. Yes, people felt like you had to be a good citizen moral. Like all these things to get that job.
And the president made the nation want to be better. Yes. And the way that the nation will be better is the individual feels like that. Like, well, it sounds a lot like fucking leadership and put that aside. I feel like there are very few people in the world today that are in traditional positions of power influence that have that impact. I agree. Now, it's people on the internet with, like, a fucking cell phone who like are doing selfie videos. Hmm.
And so to me, like that's a pretty interesting Dynamic where we shifted from, like all this centralized control and power and influence all stuff and like those that's what the aspirational role model, you know, type relationship was now people are running to like this other thing. Yeah. And they're still getting it, like, I don't know. Jaco will Nick verse like the president of the United States? Like, well, he's probably more actionable for the everyday person in terms of, like, you know, wake up take responsibility, you know, do whatever.
I'm very many presidents like make your bed but like
that's still a pretty big shift to me. Yeah. And
it feels like we just like, oh yeah, but yes these people are important now and we just don't even worry at all about the fact that the people in power are.
Yeah. And that extends to traditional celebrities as well. And I think this is I think long-term this is actually good. Okay. I think for some people, regardless of what people say, most people are not huge.
Fans of change regardless of what they think. Like most people do actually love having drastic changes and we're living through a totally unique period in human history. Right now. And I think this is part of why it feels. So is why we're having this conversation. It's why if stuff feels so chaotic and confusing and arranging and destructive because there's this weird reordering that is going on, there are institutions and positions and things that
Have existed forever and they're losing the power and centralization that they had. You see this in the media, you've just talked about it in politics, even in Celebrity culture, or whose deemed an influencer. Right before you had to go through the proper channels. There were always Gatekeepers. Whether you're a musician, you're an actor. You're comedian your this you had to go through very certain things, right? To be a celebrity, even 40 years ago.
You know, they were not like, independent musicians, celebrities or, of course, there were no YouTubers or podcasters what it was like, okay, you've got news anchors and you've got, you know, the people in the political levels and you've got the Hollywood celebrities, and you've got this and that and if you talk to the younger generation already, the shift has happened because they know YouTubers and take talkers and instagrammers and actually recognize them more than they recognize what we consider traditional celebrities, 100%, right? And also, they aspire
To that, there aren't that many young people, you'll talk to, and be like, oh, I want to be an actor or on the well, I want to be a YouTuber. I want to be, I want to be an influencer. I'll now some people might not like that because they might think it's weird. And those aren't real jobs or whatever, but my point is that there's this creative destruction, which is happening. I actually think a lot of it started. I think the music industry was one of the first things. The got massively disrupted by the internet, and by social media, and all. And so on, 50 Cent broke the music business. 50 Cent every week, everyone forgets
that
He sent broke that he makes to eat the mixtape strategy, and he also had a website and he was leaking his own music on his own website is 50 comments and then he was basically going back and saying, okay, let's not released that one. It's not, you know, the audience doesn't like it, let's do something else or whatever but like that eventually became what music did? He was one of the first people to realize it. Yep. And it's all because Columbia Records. Dropped him. The night that he got
shot. Yep. And so this is happening, this is happening. We see it happen with the on digital photography with film industry. Now, you've gained dude, Blockbuster could have bought
It looks it was cheap, right? I mean Blockbusters doesn't exist anymore. So just in our oh I mean if you just look in our own relatively short lifetimes, the shift
we've had our in sane
absolutely insane. And so I mean if you even in just in the last 10 years. So while I have many concerns and we all have concerns or we're worried about this and that even with stuff like the D platforming,
right?
I think a solution will be worked out.
Long-term, like, right now, it sucks right now. It's like, dude, like what's going on? Why are they doing this? Why don't they know how to moderate properly? I think part of why they don't sure they have their political biases, right? And there can be some malice involved, but also it's like this is new, this is a new problem. I don't think that when Jack Dorsey met made Twitter or when Mark Zuckerberg may fit, I don't think they had a clue there. Were he going to be as big as they are? There is no way on Earth. Mark Zuckerberg thought or three billion people are going to be there's over three billion addictive.
Like hot, or not. After world's population uses your product. That's insane. And they're all talking, they're talking like sure there's moderation issues week, not. But that's not easy. That's not an easy task to just be like, okay, like this is exactly the way you do it. You're going to have new things popping up. My space was the big thing. When I was starting out in music, like new things are going to come in. This is going to come in, that's going to become bigger. That's going to become smaller. And I think one thing,
Thing that's great is that we are having this actual increased democratization. I say the word right. Where anybody URI, anybody out that we can build, you can build your own platform, you can become a a well-known person or a celebrity in your own, right? We're getting all these instead of just having a handful of Hollywood celebrities or a handful of actors are athletes or whatever. It's like yeah you still got that but now you've just got there's like millions of micro
Flew in sirs and micro celebrities, and people are finding that, I think overall, that's really good. It's creating new jobs, new creative, Outlets, new ways of doing things. I'll tell you something that I think is going to be massively disrupted by this. And I don't think that the Legacy version is prepared. And I can't wait for this to happen. Actually, this is an area where I'd like where I'm a progressive
education, education and higher
education. We're still running off the fumes.
Of this centuries-old academic model, both in schools and at universities and as we're seeing as the cost of University continues to increase, while the value of a degree continues to decrease. That's not sustainable. You can't keep having the value of a degree staying the same, or decreasing as the financial cost goes up and up, and up, and up, every year, as well as you're having this whole digital Revolution,
Hang on, it's going to move. Its it has to change. It has to shift, just like the music industry was forced through this change. Just like the film industry was forced through this change. Just like other things are happening, right? We're Bitcoin guys. Right? The mute. The financial industry is going to is being disrupted and is going through this change. It's going to happen with education and that will be some degree and that will be good. The one thing that the Legacy still has is what I would call.
It's funny me saying this is an Oxford graduate perceived legitimacy. All right. So the average person and lots of, this is an overhang from older Generations. So many people still think have this mentality of, oh, you know, you have to go to college even employers have this is because so many people say, oh well you have to go to college because employers have say you need a degree to get a site that's going to change. It's already changing with certain companies, most companies driven by younger people. Don't care about your degree. They care about what you can do.
And your personality and so on. So that whole I think in the next decade or two the whole education system, especially in higher education is going to be much more fragmented, and decentralized, the thing that needs to be worked out online, I believe and this will take time is the accreditation the accreditation. And then with that, the perceived legitimacy that comes with it. So as someone who went to Oxford University even though like a day-to-day thing, I don't use my
I don't use my degree for anything that I do. But just the fact, if I ever wanted to go back into the traditional world of work, which I don't, the fact I have a, an Oxford University degree on a global level. That is recognized as oh, wow. You this guy, this guy is smart. There's the prestige with the end and and that's, and that's cool. That's cool. But and I will say this myself, the thing really should be like, well, what are your capabilities? What can you done? What have you done?
Right? It's not having an Oxford degree. That makes me smart or makes me capable, or makes me competent or anything. It's who I am. And the way my brain works in the way that I operate. So yeah, it's cool to have that box, ticked, but I think as time goes on with it'll I think it'll take a couple generations for this shift to happen and for their maybe to be online equivalents in terms of perceived legitimacy as the Oxford's and the Harvard's and the cambridge's and the Yale's and so on, that will take some time.
Because these institutions are old mean Oxford is Oxford is about. I want to say about 600 years older than the USA. My college was founded in the
1100s. Yeah. Right. That is
crazy. It was founded in the 1100s, right? And so, you know, you've got people from, you know, c.s. Lewis to JRR tolkien's. All these Prime Ministers and so on who went through those Halls. So I don't think that's going to completely go away. But I
I think that the I think that you know, when it comes to University stem stem, stem is going to be there, it's going to stay in certain universities and stay but there's so much that's ripe for not just disruption, but I'd say destruction. I think there's a lot of nonsense out there that is just nonsense degrees. Yeah, nonsense degrees at nonsense universities that are not helping anyone. They're kind of glorified Ponzi schemes as far as I'm aware. Because the only thing you can use to you only way you can
Money with them is to either get a fake job or become someone who then goes back into Academia and teaches everyone about, you know, lesbian dance Theory, you know, they're not real degrees. They don't help anyone. They don't do anything of value to society. So I think those are going to, those are going to naturally go, you know, you let
the free market happen. Yeah. And you know, those are going to go first person in America is
it's along these lines of so it's not education but it's media. Okay. Joe Rogan broken. Yeah, the reason being not for what most people think of the audience sighs. Yes, that is important but because he's willing to have the conversation. Yeah, that nowhere else basically will what that size the audience. But do you want to know what my prediction is for somebody who will become one of the most dangerous people in America?
Andrew Schulz, interesting, because one he's got the protection, being a comedian, who's a lot of say things in society that many other people cannot say, S is his weapon of choice is his mind. He's willing to go direct to the people. And it's the number one thing that scares the shit out of the centralized institutions. Yeah. So if you're sitting there and you know, for those that
No he he sold one special sort of second one, they wanted to edit out some jokes. He said now buy it back from you and I'll just go direct and I'll set up a website. The Andrew Schultz.com, I'll sell directly to the people and he claims that he made more than five times more money than if he'd done it with a streamer. I believe that if you're sitting there and you're a streamer, you have to be absolutely shaking in fear that he just basically red pilled a bunch of these comedians. That
Say why would I come to you? Why don't I just go direct? Yeah. And then I have the contact information of the audience I can remarket to them. I could do all these things I can sell them tickets. I can do like I just cut you out of the process and now me and my people we communicate directly. Yeah.
That's like the new danger in society is these people who are willing to think differently and can disrupt these institutions these mechanisms because it's not about the first person who does it because technically Michelle's wasn't the first one to do. Not right. There are other people with done before me.
But the people who popularized the strategy, everyone who follows and so when you think of things like, you know, YouTube or whatever, it's like there was one person who was the first actor who was like I'm not gonna act in a movie in my act on the internet and another then another then that and then mr. Beast comes along. Yep. And now people like yo mr. Pieces and is a bunch of young kids who like I won't be a next mr. Beast in my own, you know, whatever. And so it's like to the
Movie industry. The biggest threat is actually mr. Beast. Yeah, he got more views than squid games got on Netflix good. And so your sentence and lie. Oh shit. That one video is not the threat. Is that he just read pilled an entire generation of kids. You don't have to go to the movie theater. Yeah, I love it. Do
you do you know who work? This out early. Whoo.
Rappers independent rappers explain like
independent rappers back in the 90s who would just hustle their
Vic independently, right? Whether you're talking about too short or ludicrous before the record deal or, you know, later, 50 Cent with the mixtape hustle. A lot of the guys in the South a lot of the guys from like Houston, some of the berry rappers there was just this thing, you know, even Jay, how Jay-Z even started, right? Like print up your own record Market, it and sell it yourself. And I mean, that's, that's where I took my inspiration from. I mean, I don't know how much you know about my my story of how I like built on my
This for you kid? Yeah, on the streets will destroy the whole UK, the whole UK. So, when I was at Oxford, I started rapping when I was, in my first year of University, I released my first album when I was 19 and my, and my second year, it was good. I'm called commercial underground. And the first ever run. I did, I just did. I did a run a 50 CDs to begin with and I just sold those two friends and family. Boom, in a week, they were all sold. I went back, took that money. Cool printed, 250, similar word was getting around, primarily sold it around people in my unit.
Diversity and then, boom, I took that money and printed 1000. And at this point, I'd exhausted my yeah, people I knew and I bought CDs off people in the street before, like if I'm walking around in London or Central London, you know, that meet guys and London rappers and I'd buy CDs off of them. I knew about the mixed tape possible that was going on in the USA and so on. And I bought mixtapes in the, u.s.a., when I traveled here, because that's what I'll do. So, I remember I'm in first day ever, I want you. I went out on the street. I think I just had like,
Six CDs with me or something and I was, okay, let me just try this out and I think it took like half an hour before I even approached anybody because I'm like, this is people see me now and they're like, oh wow, as you be so extroverted and confident, but it's like man. Like because I've had hundreds and thousands of conversations and but you know I remember as I think the third person I spoke to Bob Bob my album for like five pounds and I was like, oh wow, it was that set up. The light was I well I sold one. That means I can sell another, you know, within a couple hours and then like two hours, you know, I sold all the CDs. I came back, I came back the next day and I bought 10 cedis
Me. Boom, I sold tens. He's, I made 50 pounds. I'll say, okay, this is what I can do. And then over time, I started doing that all over the country, right? I would travel all the way to Scotland. I'd go to Wales. I went to the aisle away. I'm going to East Anglia all over the UK, every city, and I was just selling my CDs. I've sold, I sold over 30,000 albums, hand-to-hand Jesus, out of my backpack. Just me hand-to-hand young, people have to talk to the South there, he probably do it. That's what I'm saying. Ten thousand at a time.
So that was my bro. I learned I learned to speak French. I learned to speak Spanish because I wasn't because in the UK you get people from all over Europe. So I was like, man, I keep bumping into French people and I'm sure I taught myself french. I was like they're on have days I'm just speaking French all day selling my CDs to all these French kids and Oxford or in Canterbury or whatever and then in 2014 with my we my friend shouting, who's also an independent rapper, we started what was called the blue and purple store. So it was a pop-up shop. So you know, in shopping malls sometimes if
Walking through. They've got the little kiosks and stores and independent retailers selling their stuff. So we started doing that. We open the first one, the white lie Shopping Centre in London and we were selling our CDs and also our t-shirts and hats. We didn't have that much merch at the time and that went well. And then we open one in like whiskey and South. And we started doing pop-up shop so rather than just being on the street all the time. Yep, we moved indoors crappy British weather to. So we were protected from the elements. In fact, when it started raining, it was good because everyone would come into the mall. So we'd be there was I selling our Hood.
These are t-shirts, I used to have my own brand, a headphones and that became the bread and bread and butter for me from 2014 to 2018 or even early 2019. The majority of my income was coming through doing those pop-up shops, interesting. So one thing that a lot, what's weird with my career trajectory is over, probably 99% of people who know me. Discovered me since 2019 but I released my first album 2006. So I've been going.
For a long long time. So by it's funny now people see me doing certain things or whatever. They're all this guy, you know came out of nowhere ever over and I'm like dude like I've been grinding Conjuring. Yeah. Like half my life. Like I've been you know I put out my first album 19 on bro. Like I'm a man I'm 36 now. I'm just like, dude, like it doesn't even seem that long but I've just been out there grinding and with that has come thankfully. One thing people, often say my man's, you be like you've got a way with words. You're so good at talking to people as a like,
Bro, I've spoken to more people than anybody or when people are like, oh, how do you deal with? How do you deal with people saying mean things on the internet? How do you deal with it? I'm like, dude, I used to sell my CDs on the street. You ever heard of somebody? Say something mean to you as a person are different cities. Like, literally, I just got in my van. I just go travel to Manchester for at least stay in a crappy hotel for a week and just go and every day. I'm just out there, whatever the weather talking to people getting ignored getting love.
Getting people hating on me getting this. Getting that. Just so I've already experienced, like in person. Every type of weather it from from Love, and praise to complete, misunderstanding to being ignored to be. It's also why I have so much like time and love and support and gratitude for where things are now because, yeah, I'm still on my pathway, but it always blows my mind if I go to an event, especially if I'm in the States because I'm not even from
Come here. Mmm. Right. My mind is blown if I'm walking around Miami and someone's always who be like oh yeah I'm like dude that's crazy. Like I'm an independent rapper from England, all right? Another country, a whole other country and I don't have any machine behind me. Yeah, I don't have. So I don't have a team. I don't have an agent, I don't have a manager. I never had loads of money, put into me or whatever. And I'm like, oh wow. Like up, I'm in the white house. I'm talking, Joe Rogan wants to talk to me. Oh, I'm hanging with Tucker Carlson. Oh, I'm here with, I'm here with pomp like I'm doing this. I'm doing that. I'm being asked to speak it.
You know, in October, I'm going to I'm going to Australia. I've been invited to speak at some big events in Australia. I'm like, whoa, and I'm going there. And people are like, yeah. Okay. Wait for you to come and I'm like, yo, that's wild so the world? Yeah, that's nuts. Like, yeah, I mean, I take off on Monday line on Wednesday, that's how far away it is.
And I'm just like, man. So I just feel such an extreme gratitude for every person. I mean, I didn't event. I did a bunch of events last month I spoke at the Young Americans for Liberty, national student conference, the young America's Foundation, National conservative student conference, Freedom, Fest in Las Vegas, and so on. And in all these events, I don't know. Lord knows how many selfies I took and, you know, just talking to everyone who wanted
And even sometimes with the organizers because they always want to, you know, as a speaker, they always want to make sure that you're like, okay and people aren't bothering and I'm like, it's fine, it's fine. They're like, yo, like you don't have to take all these and I'm like, I will take every photo ever wants. Like I worked my butt off for this to have like the fact that these people even know who I am, let alone, love what I'm doing and have taken some inspiration for. If it means, I'm standing here, cheesing for two hours. As long as I don't have like something else to rush off to, I will do.
You, you know, I do meet ups in different cities, like I'll go. I'll just hang with people and I would like to do that. As long as it is physically possible to do no matter how big or famous or whatever, I become in the future, to me, it's always from the beginning. It's always been about people. It's always been about wanting to helping to help motivate inspire people in different ways. I don't view myself as like. Oh, this is another thing that would that change in how celebrities
E works now, right? Because before it was kind of like your cultivated to be a celebrity and then you're put in this place where your that's why there's so many women so out of touch, right? So they've kind of theirs on this weird
pedestal stars who could tweet today I'm going to be at the you know whatever location and no one
shows up and if you tweak your like I'll be here people show up. It's like who's famous? Yeah. But but they wouldn't even do that because they spent eating so much. Yeah. So many of them. They're viewed in this
different Echelon almost like you're not really a
human and I think what's really cool
All about the kind of thing that we do and how we've grown with organically with our social media and everything is number one, you've been on that whole journey so you keep a level of. Yeah. We're both confident people, but your humble. Hmm, your humble. I'm not like here, like, oh I'm I'm, I'm this super celebrity guy. And y'all are below me or something. It's like, no. Like I'm me cuz like, cuz of you, you guys support me and so that's why I'm even able to do this stuff.
Tough and it's just, I think it's way more relatable, it's way more real. It allows you to be authentic. And it also means that the people who know you generally I yeah, of course we have our haters or whatever but the people who know you, they don't just know you because you're on TV all the time or oh, you're just that famous actor or whatever. They know you because they like what you do of course. And that is, that's awesome,
but it also is, is real.
fact, I think a lot about like,
In the world. There's a lot of people who say, I do X and you're like, cool. What like, what is the impact of it? And sometimes, they just don't know, right? Is it just don't get it. But then there's a lot of people who are like, we're each X number of people and you're like cool, but I think paying attention, right? And mr. B's manager. Read he did a interview with Colin and Samir. Have you seen these guys that they do interviews with people?
Like the YouTube, you go soak a and I was listening to it. So I said it to me and he said something that was just Fascinate. He goes, if you watched three videos of somebody on Tick-Tock, you probably don't even know who they are, but their name is whatever you watch, three YouTube videos of somebody. You definitely know what their name is, hundred percent, right? And it's just a difference of the audience relationship with the personal stuff.
But then you move into longer stuff. If somebody is still listening to this right now, they'd be listening for, you know, two hours and 20 minutes or whatever, right? Dan, they definitely know what your name is, right? And you move it in the physical world and then you get even to like Schultz and his special. He's got a joke. He's like man, I'm just an all presidents. Now whether they can move
merch, if you could move March I have people like you,
right? So like you kind of like there's all these like stages to it but we realize is it comes back to life.
Why do anybody care? Mmm, it's because there's some but you there's some impact that happened right there. There's some like real connection to it. So, I've been thinking for myself, like there's certain people who if, if they came to Miami, I Valium, fuck other people show up and I be like, you know, I would pay money to go there. Sit and for two hours, right? Consume everything that they're saying all this stuff because I find it fascinating or it has some impact or whatever that's true. Every single person in the world.
The difference though is the authenticity, this gets to the whole like movie star versus people on the internet. Nobody thinks that the movie stars authentic, except for you see some movie stars. Now, using social media to become authentic, but that's pretty much it,
right? And this is also how you can. Now see, what's also funny with is, you can also tell he's an asshole now.
Right, I'm sure there are celebrities out there who maybe you had a certain view on and then actually, you see how they are on social media, how they talk to other people and how they treat people. I'm like, man, this guy's it's guys, not cool. Yeah, fucking loser, you know and and I think I think that's dope. Some people might think some people don't like the sort of loss of the Mystique or they don't like the fact that oh you know they learn that their favorite author or actors actually not very nice. But to me, it's cool I think that the
Ruth is whether or not you like the truth. The truth is good to have out there and I see you eyeing up that
book. This book is the last thing I want to talk about the candy Calamity which is a children's book. Yeah. That you wrote mmm and you publish with Brave books and it's got amazing Graphics all this stuff in it. Why did you write a children's book?
Because it fits into a lot of what we talked about today. It does it does. So I have a simple
heuristic to decide whether or not I want to do something and it's because I'm very clear on my mission and I have been for over 15 years and my mission in life is to positively impact Inspire and motivate as many people as possible through my words of my talents. I thought I was going to do that primarily just through music and as time has evolved, lots of additional things have been added to that. So if I think something is going
The needle on that I typically say yes to it if I don't, I typically say no. So brave books reached out to me last year and they were like man we've been following you for a while. All
of our staff, love
what you do and we're always sharing your tweets and sharing clips of your videos and stuff. So we'd love to be. We'd love to do a children's book with you and I'd heard of them already because I know a couple people who done books with him and I was like, yeah, let's do it. Let's do.
Do it. So clearly passes that test, I mean, children are not a demographic that I've primarily targeted teenagers with my music. Lots of teenagers about my music and stuff but that sort of younger age group and I was like, oh, cool. And then they were, I haven't have a think about what sort of topics, they typically do more books, that are more socio-political in terms of the overall message. It's not on the nose because it's still children's books, but I was like, you know what, I want to do one, that's
A political has no slant to it in any way and just has a positive and inspiring message 2019. I'd written in my book for adults called strong advice as he's got to finish for everybody. That's you know, sold over 10,000 copies independently. He's helped a lot of people to lose weight and get in shape. And I was like, man, there aren't that many children's books talking about health and fitness and why is it important me? All week? Parents will tell their kids eat healthy, you know, go out and exercise
But they won't normally tell them why and I was like okay let me have a story which is fun and it's an adventure and it's beautifully Illustrated and I made it all rhyme but it's about the importance of Health Nutrition exercise and self-control. So in the story of the in the book it's about not going avoiding the extremes, right? Not to be a complete lazy slob and to sit there and eat candy all day, but also don't exercise and forget to eat. Don't exercise to the point that you're forgetting.
And you're exhausting yourself in here and you're passing out that there's a healthy balance, so that's the message I wanted to convey in the book and it was also just fun, you know, I also say yes to things that excite me as soon as I heard I was like, yo, actually children book wasn't on my radar but it is right now and that would be cool. And that'll be fun and that'll help more people and it's done. So and it's doing that. What has been the response from like Paris and stuff? But yeah, so really, really positive. I've had some really nice videos.
Those and photos which are always fun to get. Like just people said you a DM and it's like their child holding their child holding the book or like them reading. I'm like, man. That's that's so beautiful. So I'm not a parent yet. I do have nine nieces and nephews. So I just basically when I was actually writing it I was running it by them. They range between like 3 and 16. So so I was when I was still just digital before I got printed, I was
Showing them, you know, have a look at it and even just putting on an iPad and seeing how captivated they are. And you know, see can you read along with the Rhymes and so on. So I kind of was able to field test a little bit on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little sort of
textbook was a be tested by a group of
nine kids
where can people go to get the
book. You can get the book at Candy Calamity.com, okay? Brave books, which is a brave books.com, they also do a subscription so they really
Lease a new book every month so if someone wants to get their monthly book you can get the subscription harder for kids. Yeah they're all they're all children's books. But yeah candy Calamity.com
and grab it right there. I just love also by the way I don't know if people are gonna be able to see if the watch on the video but the the look of the candy right on the front I'm like
yeah yeah and if you're a fan it's got its got a couple of it's got a couple little references in there that people might
understand like okay dude
You have been able to capitalize on a number of different ridiculous events from the the dead lifting to the okay, dude. Okay dude when we probably, did you ever get any blowback for the shirts and all that no huge laughed,
main five figures from it. But um yeah. Okay then from the March. But yeah, I know, no blow up, I mean I'll be honest man and people always ask me about blowback and hey
And criticism and nasty stuff. And yeah, there's some of it. But honestly, it's like maybe 2% and it's and it's only online. Yeah, it's only online in the real world. Everything is cool. Everything is blessed. People are
Ultra nice. I've had people come up to me in the street but you'll pop, what's up? Yeah, baby. Nice to meet you, whatever. DM me on Twitter so that I have your information, whatever. And I will go look and in the fucking diem.
But pop you're an idiot. Like all
right?
I'm like and you
know, it's like two years before. Yeah. Like don't DM me if yes? What you Jimmy
like, what? And I just been like, are you good? Mmm and they're like yes I'm a I just had bad day that day whatever like and I'm a cool dude. That happens all the
time. I I tell people this especially people who want to grow on social media. There are at right now, there are millions of people scrolling through their Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.
The game feeds looking for something to get upset
about. Yes, they're having a bad day. They're already angry and you might just be the person that day, who comes across their feet, who say something? They don't like and it's don't take it personally, right? Sometimes people are just in a nasty mood and you're the person who's in their crosshairs that day and they lash out at you. Also, some people just have weird ways of trying to get
attention.
So they might think by saying, by calling you an idiot, that's the best way to get your attention.
And in some ways it kind of is because we react more to - then. We do deposit, you'll certainly get noticed but I'm probably not going to do you any favors. Yeah. After you've called me an idiot. So I it's not the approach I recommend but and some of it's probably just
Bots. I just like, I was, I'm sorry. You feel that way? Yeah, I'll try to do better next time. Try
to write in their life. He's got hard right over or like I've heard one
time somebody I think is an email I
Evil men, he's the biggest fucking moron, but whatever, and I just responding and feel like if I was the smartest guy in the room might be in the wrong room, right? And then they're coming,
that's our most people doesn't like, but yeah, just like how do you react to something sometimes sometimes P. I've had people like apologize. Like someone someone comes at me like super harsh and then I won't respond in kind and I'll be kind of like, you know, like hope you still have a good day or whatever and they're like and then you know, they'll message a couple of those are but I was kind of an asshole.
Exactly
find you on Twitter to just adds yeah sure Attic
@zb music. Yeah on all social media @zp music what's the
website team Zoo b.com team zubeidaa and
by the time this podcast comes out the new version should have been launched on my doing a whole new merch. Relaunch of shifted my own merchandise, operation to the USA, got brand-new stuff. Yeah. So it's gonna the more the merch is going to be taken over in the next year.
All right. So teams, dubli.com candy clay.
The.com. That's right. And then zubi music on all social media. That's it. I you are welcome here whenever you want my friend, I enjoyed talking to you every single time. So thanks so
much. Appreciate, appreciate broke. God bless.
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