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Dr. Layne Norton: The Science of Eating for Health, Fat Loss & Lean Muscle
Huberman Lab
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Dr. Layne Norton: The Science of Eating for Health, Fat Loss & Lean Muscle
Huberman Lab
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Andrew Huberman, Layne Norton, PhD
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Nov 7, 2022
Dr. Layne Norton: The Science of Eating for Health, Fat Loss & Lean Muscle
Huberman Lab
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Nov 7, 2022
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Exercise, independent of anything that happens with your body weight, you will be healthier. So, exercise is one of the only things that will actually improve your biomarkers of health without even losing weight ... It'll improve your insulin sensitivity, inflammation, all that stuff. So, everybody out there looking for a hack to be healthier–exercise is the
hack.
Exercise Improves Health Biomarkers Regardless of Weight Loss
There was actually a recent really large meta-analysis of over a million subjects, and basically what it showed was that for every 10g increase in fiber, there was a 10% reduction in the risk of mortality—and that extended, specifically, also to cardiovascular disease and
cancer.
Every 10g Increase in Dietary Fiber Reduces Mortality Risk By 10%
If you want to improve gut health... the three biggest levers you can pull is not eating too many calories, exercising—there is a connection between exercise and the gut—and
fiber.
Layne's Recipe for Optimal Gut Health: Exercise & Dietary Fiber (Prebiotics)
Of the macronutrients, protein is definitely the biggest lever that you can pull ... It doesn't take a ton of protein to get a lot of the muscle-building benefits ... The benefits really start to plateau out around 1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight. There's some evidence that maybe even up to, like, 2.4 or 2.8 grams per kilo may give like a little bit more
benefit.
Layne Norton Recommends Consuming >1.6g of Protein Per kg of Body Weight
These watches... People are like, 'Oh, well, it told me I burned this many calories.' They are not accurate for energy expenditure ... There was a meta-analysis in 2018 I want to say, between a 28 and 93% overestimation of energy expenditure by these
watches.
Wrist-Worn Fitness Trackers Overestimate Energy Expenditure By 28-93%
There are some pretty compelling studies showing that exercise increases your sensitivity to satiety signals. So, basically, you have the same satiety signals, but you're more sensitive to them when you
exercise.
Exercise Increases Sensitivity to Satiety Signals, Facilitating Weight Loss
If you're going to lose weight, you have to invoke some form of restriction—whether it is a nutrient restriction (like low-carb, low-fat), a time-restriction (intermittent fasting, any form of time-restricted eating), calorie restriction (tracking macros, whatever). You get to pick the form of restriction, so pick the form of restriction that feels the least restrictive to you as an
individual.
Wanna Lose Weight? Pick the Diet That Feels Least Restrive
HDL is important because it's a marker of metabolic health. If you have high HDL, it suggests that you are metabolically quite healthy ... People who have high HDL will have good biomarkers of metabolic
health.
Layne Changed His Mind About LDL-C: It Linearly Tracks With Heart Disease
When you look at LDL and you look at the lifetime exposure to LDL, it is like a linear effect on heart disease. And we know that it's actually not so much LDL, but it's more ApoB, but that tends to track with LDL just in
general.
Layne Changed His Mind About LDL-C: It Linearly Tracks With Heart Disease
There is no situation where it is not a net positive to take somebody who drinks sugar-sweetened beverages and have them drink an artificially sweetened
beverage.
Layne Advises Overweight Individuals Replace Soda With Artificially-Sweetened Beverages
What about artificial sweeteners for me? ... Do I think that they are healthful? Probably not. Do I think they're unhealthy. I would say, based on the current data, I don't think that they're
unhealthy.
Layne Advises Overweight Individuals Replace Soda With Artificially-Sweetened Beverages
I think it's fine to consume saturated fat ... I think limiting it to 7-10% of your daily calorie intake is probably wise, again, based on the all the consensus of the evidence I've
seen.
Is the Demonization of Seed Oils Warranted? Layne Norton Weighs In
I would never tell people they need supplements ... Even something like creatine is going to be a very small effect compared to proper nutrition, recovery, and hard
training.
Compared to Training Hard, Creatine Has a Small Effect on Building Muscle
The research seems to really clearly suggests that eating enough fiber, which is, again, a prebiotic—that that is a better way to get a healthier gut, per se, than
probiotic.
Layne's Recipe for Optimal Gut Health: Exercise & Dietary Fiber (Prebiotics)
What I would tell people is focus, probably, less on sugar; focus more on fiber. So, if you're eating 30, 40, 50, 60 grams of fiber a day, but your sugar's, you know, 80, 90 grams, I would not be that worried about
it.
Assuming Adequate Dietary Fiber, Sugar Isn't as Unhealthy as Many Think
Touching on creatine, it is the most tested, safe, and effective sports supplement we have ... There are thousands of studies on creatine monohydrate now ... If you're using any other form of creatine, I think you're wasting your
money.
Creatine Improves Exercise Performance, Recovery, Strength, Cognition, & Lean Mass
You can't create a new version of yourself while dragging your old habits and behaviors behind
you.
Wanna Lose Weight? Pick the Diet That Feels Least Restrive
When you look at the research data and the meta-analyses on, say, time-restricted eating versus non, when calories are equated, there doesn't seem to be a difference in weight loss, fat loss, most biomarkers of health—same thing for low-carb versus low-
fat.
Low-Carb vs. Low-Fat Diets: There's No Difference in Fat Loss When Calories & Protein Are Equated
I'm not somebody who likes to demonize individual nutrients. I just haven't seen really compelling evidence that seed oils are the root cause of the problems that are being
suggested.
Is the Demonization of Seed Oils Warranted? Layne Norton Weighs In
Food labels—which we like to think as being, you know, from upon high—can have up to a 20% error in
them.
How Food Label Inaccuracies & Insoluble Fiber Cause Variations in 'Energy In'
A lot of times people will say something like, 'Well, not all calories are created equal.' That's not true because a calorie is just a unit of measurement. That would be like saying not all seconds on a clock are created equal. Yes they are. All sources of calories may have differential effects on energy expenditure and
appetites.
Macronutrient TEF Values - Fat: 0-3%, Carbs: 5-10%, Protein: 20-30%
If you're worried about NEAT, tracking your steps can be helpful because people's step counts can spontaneously decrease when on a fat loss diet. They don't even realize
it.
Step Count Tends to Decrease When Dieting for Fat Loss
If you look at the literature overall on exercise and appetite, it's not always what you'd expect. Consistently, it seems to show that exercise actually has an appetite-suppressant effect. So, people don't tend to compensate at least fully for the amount of movement they
do.
Exercise Has an Appetite-Suppressant Effect
Six out of every seven obese people will lose a significant amount of body weight in their life. So why do we still have an obesity problem? They don't keep it
off.
Wanna Lose Weight? Pick the Diet That Feels Least Restrive
There's some evidence that saturated fat may not be great for the microbiome—that it reduces the prevalence of some of the more positive strange of
bacteria.
Some Evidence Indicates Saturated Fat Adversely Impacts the Microbiome
My suspicion is probably if you're getting, like, 2 to 3, high-quality protein meals in a day, you're getting the vast majority of the benefits of
protein.
Assuming Adequate Protein, Mild Time-Restricted Eating Doesn't Adversely Impact Lean Body Mass
Aspartame very clearly seems to have no effect on blood sugar or insulin. That has been repeatedly shown. Stevia doesn't appear to have much effect. Saccharin and sucralose, the jury is kind of
mixed.
Aspartame & Stevia Don't Affect Blood Sugar or Insulin
The placebo effect can actually change your physiology. People don't realize this. There's research showing that a placebo or the power of suggestion is basically as powerful as some
pharmaceuticals.
The Placebo Effect Can Change Your Physiology; Here's an Example With Creatine
The more adipose tissue you have, the more aggressively you can diet without negative
consequences.
Obese Individuals Can Aggressively Diet for Weight Loss Without Negative Consequences
Intros & Ads
Huberman Lab Intro
Andrew Introduces Layne Norton (Part I)
Disclaimer
AD: LMNT
AD: ROKA
AD: InsideTracker
AD: Momentous Supplements
Andrew Introduces Layne Norton (Part II)
Clips
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Mitochondria Use Calories to Make ATP Via the Krebs Cycle
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How Food Label Inaccuracies & Insoluble Fiber Cause Variations in 'Energy In'
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The Energy Out Portion of Calorie Balance: Metabolic Rate & Food's Thermic Effect
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Macronutrient TEF Values - Fat: 0-3%, Carbs: 5-10%, Protein: 20-30%
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Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis (NEAT) Can Burn Hundreds of Calories Daily
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Weight Loss Causes Basal Metabolic Rate to Decrease
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Four Hours of Soleus Push-Ups Improve Glucose Metabolism & Insulin Levels
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Wrist-Worn Fitness Trackers Overestimate Energy Expenditure By 28-93%
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Layne Recommends Weighing Yourself First Thing in the Morning, Post-Bathroom
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Muscle-Building Exercise Spikes BMR Post-Session Without Increasing Fat Loss
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Unlike Cardio, Strength Training Increases Andrew's Appetite
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For Recovery Purposes, Andrew Limits Strength Training Sessions to an Hour
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AD: Athletic Greens
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Step Count Tends to Decrease When Dieting for Fat Loss
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The Origins of the 10,000-Step Rule & Popular 8-Hour Feeding Window
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The Placebo Effect Can Change Your Physiology; Here's an Example With Creatine
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Exercise Has an Appetite-Suppressant Effect
1
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Exercise Improves Health Biomarkers Regardless of Weight Loss
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Exercise Increases Sensitivity to Satiety Signals, Facilitating Weight Loss
1
20
Despite Individual Variability, Exercise Decreases Appetite in Randomized Trials
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21
Lack of Sleep, Boredom, & Stress Often Drive Appetite More Than Hunger
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22
People Who Successfully Keep Off Lost Weight 'Kill Their Former Self'
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Wanna Lose Weight? Pick the Diet That Feels Least Restrive
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Low-Carb vs. Low-Fat Diets: There's No Difference in Fat Loss When Calories & Protein Are Equated
1
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Frequently Switching Diets Can Cause Insulin & Glucose 'Weirdness'
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Layne Norton Speculates Gut Health Plays a Role in Weight Loss
1
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GLP-1 Improves Appetite Regulation Via Activation of Gut Mechanosensors
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Health Outcomes Are the Summation of Thousands of Mechanisms
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29
There Are More Cells in the Microbiome Than the Rest of the Body
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Layne's Recipe for Optimal Gut Health: Exercise & Dietary Fiber (Prebiotics)
1
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Dietary Fiber for Gut Health: More Diversity Is Better
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Every 10g Increase in Dietary Fiber Reduces Mortality Risk By 10%
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Some Evidence Indicates Saturated Fat Adversely Impacts the Microbiome
1
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Layne Changed His Mind About LDL-C: It Linearly Tracks With Heart Disease
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Physiology Is Holistic; There Are Many Interplays Between Molecule & Effect
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Why Layne Norton Stopped Eating Protein Every 2 Hours to Gain Muscle
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Layne Norton Recommends Consuming >1.6g of Protein Per kg of Body Weight
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Although It Depends on the Food, Protein Is Generally Satiating
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How Does Protein Distribution Throughout the Day Affect Muscle Synthesis?
1
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Assuming Adequate Protein, Mild Time-Restricted Eating Doesn't Adversely Impact Lean Body Mass
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Trying to Build Muscle on a Plant-Based Diet Has 3 Disadvantages
1
42
Layne Norton Recommends Vegans Supplement With an Isolated Form of Protein
1
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Plant-Based Protein Supplements: Leucine Drives the 'Muscle Building Ship'
1
44
Processed Foods Drive Food Overconsumption; Layne Recommends Moderation
1
45
Layne Norton & Andrew Huberman Have Friends Who Use Nicotine as a Nootropic
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The Obesity Epidemic: Activity Levels Are Decreasing & Caloric Intake Plateaued
0
47
Assuming Adequate Dietary Fiber, Sugar Isn't as Unhealthy as Many Think
2
48
Restricting a Specific Nutrient Makes You More Prone to Bingeing
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49
Based on Layne's Advice, Andrew Changed His View on Artificial Sweeteners
0
50
Layne Advises Overweight Individuals Replace Soda With Artificially-Sweetened Beverages
1
51
Aspartame & Stevia Don't Affect Blood Sugar or Insulin
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52
Food Temporarily Tastes Bland After Cutting Out Sweets
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53
If Artificial Sweeteners Help You Lose 50 lbs, They're Not Bad for You
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Some Data Indicates Sucralose Improves the Gut Microbiome
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Study Finds Sucralose Elevates Blood Glucose; Layne Norton Clarifies the Data
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Obese Individuals Can Aggressively Diet for Weight Loss Without Negative Consequences
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Plate Color & Beliefs About a Food's Nutritive Value Affect Satiety
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58
Ethan Suplee Applied the 'Hard Choices, Easy Life' Mantra to Health
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Is the Demonization of Seed Oils Warranted? Layne Norton Weighs In
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Layne Norton Recommends Limiting Saturated Fat Intake to 7-10% of Total Calories
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Layne Doesn't Recommend Any Female-Specific Diet or Exercise Routines
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Layne Norton Recommends Women on Their Period Autoregulate Training
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63
Cooking Meat Increases Amino Acid Bioavailability; Just Avoid Charring
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64
What Does Layne Norton Think of Carb Blockers Like Berberine?
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65
High in Fiber, Low Glycemic Index Foods Slow Gastric Emptying
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66
Creatine Improves Exercise Performance, Recovery, Strength, Cognition, & Lean Mass
1
67
Layne Norton Isn't Convinced That Creatine Causes Hair Loss
1
68
Loading Creatine Expedites the Time It Takes to Saturate Phosphocreatine Stores
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Rhodiola Rosea Reduces the Negative Side Effects of Caffeine Withdrawal
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70
Ashwagandha Can Increase Testosterone & Lean Mass While Reducing Cortisol
1
71
Carnitine Tartrate Increases Androgen Receptor Density in Muscle Cells
1
72
Caffeine, Beta-Alanine, & Betaine Improve Exercise Performance
0
73
Compared to Training Hard, Creatine Has a Small Effect on Building Muscle
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Learn to Enjoy Training Hard & Performing Challenging Tasks; It's a Superpower
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Layne Norton Embraces Challenge; He Turns Obstacles Into Opportunities
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Andrew & Layne Outro (Part I)
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Want a Nutrition Coach Like Layne Norton? Download the Carbon App
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Andrew & Layne Outro (Part II)
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Andrew Huberman Outro
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Transcripts
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Clips
Huberman Lab Intro
Andrew Introduces Layne Norton (Part I)
Disclaimer
AD: LMNT
AD: ROKA
AD: InsideTracker
AD: Momentous Supplements
Andrew Introduces Layne Norton (Part II)
Mitochondria Use Calories to Make ATP Via the Krebs Cycle
How Food Label Inaccuracies & Insoluble Fiber Cause Variations in 'Energy In'
The Energy Out Portion of Calorie Balance: Metabolic Rate & Food's Thermic Effect
Macronutrient TEF Values - Fat: 0-3%, Carbs: 5-10%, Protein: 20-30%
Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis (NEAT) Can Burn Hundreds of Calories Daily
Weight Loss Causes Basal Metabolic Rate to Decrease
Four Hours of Soleus Push-Ups Improve Glucose Metabolism & Insulin Levels
Wrist-Worn Fitness Trackers Overestimate Energy Expenditure By 28-93%
Layne Recommends Weighing Yourself First Thing in the Morning, Post-Bathroom
Muscle-Building Exercise Spikes BMR Post-Session Without Increasing Fat Loss
Unlike Cardio, Strength Training Increases Andrew's Appetite
For Recovery Purposes, Andrew Limits Strength Training Sessions to an Hour
AD: Athletic Greens
Step Count Tends to Decrease When Dieting for Fat Loss
The Origins of the 10,000-Step Rule & Popular 8-Hour Feeding Window
The Placebo Effect Can Change Your Physiology; Here's an Example With Creatine
Exercise Has an Appetite-Suppressant Effect
Exercise Improves Health Biomarkers Regardless of Weight Loss
Exercise Increases Sensitivity to Satiety Signals, Facilitating Weight Loss
Despite Individual Variability, Exercise Decreases Appetite in Randomized Trials
Lack of Sleep, Boredom, & Stress Often Drive Appetite More Than Hunger
People Who Successfully Keep Off Lost Weight 'Kill Their Former Self'
Wanna Lose Weight? Pick the Diet That Feels Least Restrive
Low-Carb vs. Low-Fat Diets: There's No Difference in Fat Loss When Calories & Protein Are Equated
Frequently Switching Diets Can Cause Insulin & Glucose 'Weirdness'
Layne Norton Speculates Gut Health Plays a Role in Weight Loss
GLP-1 Improves Appetite Regulation Via Activation of Gut Mechanosensors
Health Outcomes Are the Summation of Thousands of Mechanisms
There Are More Cells in the Microbiome Than the Rest of the Body
Layne's Recipe for Optimal Gut Health: Exercise & Dietary Fiber (Prebiotics)
Dietary Fiber for Gut Health: More Diversity Is Better
Every 10g Increase in Dietary Fiber Reduces Mortality Risk By 10%
Some Evidence Indicates Saturated Fat Adversely Impacts the Microbiome
Layne Changed His Mind About LDL-C: It Linearly Tracks With Heart Disease
Physiology Is Holistic; There Are Many Interplays Between Molecule & Effect
Why Layne Norton Stopped Eating Protein Every 2 Hours to Gain Muscle
Layne Norton Recommends Consuming >1.6g of Protein Per kg of Body Weight
Although It Depends on the Food, Protein Is Generally Satiating
How Does Protein Distribution Throughout the Day Affect Muscle Synthesis?
Assuming Adequate Protein, Mild Time-Restricted Eating Doesn't Adversely Impact Lean Body Mass
Trying to Build Muscle on a Plant-Based Diet Has 3 Disadvantages
Layne Norton Recommends Vegans Supplement With an Isolated Form of Protein
Plant-Based Protein Supplements: Leucine Drives the 'Muscle Building Ship'
Processed Foods Drive Food Overconsumption; Layne Recommends Moderation
Layne Norton & Andrew Huberman Have Friends Who Use Nicotine as a Nootropic
The Obesity Epidemic: Activity Levels Are Decreasing & Caloric Intake Plateaued
Assuming Adequate Dietary Fiber, Sugar Isn't as Unhealthy as Many Think
Restricting a Specific Nutrient Makes You More Prone to Bingeing
Based on Layne's Advice, Andrew Changed His View on Artificial Sweeteners
Layne Advises Overweight Individuals Replace Soda With Artificially-Sweetened Beverages
Aspartame & Stevia Don't Affect Blood Sugar or Insulin
Food Temporarily Tastes Bland After Cutting Out Sweets
If Artificial Sweeteners Help You Lose 50 lbs, They're Not Bad for You
Some Data Indicates Sucralose Improves the Gut Microbiome
Study Finds Sucralose Elevates Blood Glucose; Layne Norton Clarifies the Data
Obese Individuals Can Aggressively Diet for Weight Loss Without Negative Consequences
Plate Color & Beliefs About a Food's Nutritive Value Affect Satiety
Ethan Suplee Applied the 'Hard Choices, Easy Life' Mantra to Health
Is the Demonization of Seed Oils Warranted? Layne Norton Weighs In
Layne Norton Recommends Limiting Saturated Fat Intake to 7-10% of Total Calories
Layne Doesn't Recommend Any Female-Specific Diet or Exercise Routines
Layne Norton Recommends Women on Their Period Autoregulate Training
Cooking Meat Increases Amino Acid Bioavailability; Just Avoid Charring
What Does Layne Norton Think of Carb Blockers Like Berberine?
High in Fiber, Low Glycemic Index Foods Slow Gastric Emptying
Creatine Improves Exercise Performance, Recovery, Strength, Cognition, & Lean Mass
Layne Norton Isn't Convinced That Creatine Causes Hair Loss
Loading Creatine Expedites the Time It Takes to Saturate Phosphocreatine Stores
Rhodiola Rosea Reduces the Negative Side Effects of Caffeine Withdrawal
Ashwagandha Can Increase Testosterone & Lean Mass While Reducing Cortisol
Carnitine Tartrate Increases Androgen Receptor Density in Muscle Cells
Caffeine, Beta-Alanine, & Betaine Improve Exercise Performance
Compared to Training Hard, Creatine Has a Small Effect on Building Muscle
Learn to Enjoy Training Hard & Performing Challenging Tasks; It's a Superpower
Layne Norton Embraces Challenge; He Turns Obstacles Into Opportunities
Andrew & Layne Outro (Part I)
Want a Nutrition Coach Like Layne Norton? Download the Carbon App
Andrew & Layne Outro (Part II)
Andrew Huberman Outro
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