How many cigars and smoking now?
No more than one. No. More than one more than 100 sick. Is it kind of
is do you get any nicotine from it? Oh yeah, I do. Yeah,
for sure everybody does. And that's why they smoke cigars they don't just smoke it for the taste, right?
That's stupid.
I make sense but you don't inhale, no,
but you do the, the tobacco is, you know, it's pure tobacco, and you're getting that in your mouth, and you're getting the nicotine in your mouth, so you get a bus. Yeah, 100% 100%. We were even considering our and I were smoking, cigars wants in the beginning of sober October. Like, are we cheating? I kind of feel like we're cheating. I'll feel like I'm getting kind of high. Did you get high from cigars? 100% interesting. It's just a different kind of hi. It's a nice conversational. Hi,
Ryan laxed, it's similar to cigarettes where you don't get, you're not fucked
up but
cigarettes, do provide like a relief for a
release, whatever, that is whatever
that nicotine in. Why is nicotine so addictive?
It's not that addictive. I mean I like it but I can like like if I was smoking a vape pen a lot, I was doing it every day and then I just took it off and just didn't do it for a week and I stop craving it.
Totally, but maybe that's just me.
You're, you have a constitution, it's it's easier for you. You're very disciplined, other people struggle with that. There's other people that
cannot do
that cigarettes are tough. I've given up every I've given up
cocaine, alcohol pills marijuana. I've not done a drug in 12 years,
but cigarettes are tight and I haven't smoked now for two months, but the one day in the near future and I don't know,
And someone's going to give you a cigarette, they're not even gonna give it to me. I just reach for. I've been a request it and, you know, spark it. And I'm going to have a cigarette and then I'm just going to be sitting somewhere having a cigarette not knowing how? Yeah, not knowing how it
happened. Wouldn't it be awesome if they were good for you? It would
be amazing. It would be a mint. Well I love that scene
from sleeper, Woody Allen movie where you know, he they freeze him and he wakes up and they go he
goes did
Do what he does. What should I eat for breakfast? Take a red meat, eggs, and cigarettes, and he was what he goes. No, it's all good for you because everything we
thought was bad for you is like great for you. It's like chalk yards. Have some chocolate cake. It was like it's such a great scene. Well, the write about read me.
Yes. Some of its correct, right? Do you think the sugar industry because they're behind a lot of the fat activism stuff? Are they really? Oh, yeah, so if you look at it, you know, a lot of the people that go listen, there's no different because, you know, they just had this article, the LA School District was
Don't tell kids that like, junk Foods bad, because it's classist and racist or whatever. It's Insanity. Like, don't tell him there's any
difference between foods
and what, you know, and it's all linked to this like, be always body positive. No matter what. At a lot of that is backed by like Nestle, why
know? There was somebody positive people that were on social media that they found out. We're getting backed by Nestle or one of those companies. Yeah yeah and they were promoting the idea that there's no
Difference in foods and is no junk food. And it's all about your mental health.
And yeah, and you mentally healthy, apparently, eating just ice cream on a couch, but it's all
that is. It's so unscientific in the fact that that doesn't get fact, checked online is so crazy, right. But you can say, you know, something about covid or something about something else and you'll immediately get that little Banner you through post, that'll tell rattle that what you're
saying. Well, they always use some example of like a person who's robust a
Chubby and go this person is healthy and then will always Point like a skinny heroin addict and go. This person isn't
and you. Yeah. But that's not the overall, you know thing? Yeah. And even if you're even if you're
like 50, 60 pounds overweight and I fit, yeah, you're
still
less healthy than you. Of course. You weren't 50 60 pounds,
overweight. I think some of it is that there was a
weird period when I was growing up. Where all the models
were? Like, sickly thin? Yeah.
Well, they were like
gaunt. They want him to be like
hangers they didn't really want them to be have Bond. What was like a Balenciaga thing, right? The came out with the kids where it was like this is creepy and they're weird and you of course you probably saw that like, you're an advertisement where it's a kids have these BDSM Bears. These bears that are dressed up it like, leather daddies, and kids have them. And and people have fashion have always been creepy and weird because like when I was growing up the 90s, it was heroin Chic and they made all these young girls look like they were strung out.
Keys. So it's like they've always been kind of off. Well, don't they kind of
promote? And feta means to a lot of those gals. I
hope so now. Yes, but you can't be against fat activism at against and feta bit like, right? Somebody's, you know, no they do. I'm sure they promote well fashion is all about sexual currency. Like, everything has to be about Holly, you know, they talk about Hollywood, they like Hollywood's run on like sex appeal, I'm like not the one I'm in.
I'll tell you. What? Are you in Hollywood?
Yeah, I've no idea, right? I have a house there,
but like this idea that, like, people talk about Hollywood, like, it's just one thing in there, like, it's run on sexual currency. I'm like, yeah, not the lineup at The Improv, you know, like not the lineup of The Comedy
Store. I'm Roseanne
is right? There's a lot of people where it wasn't but like, yeah, those fit. Because all of these human trafficking people, they all have their like hooks into fashion. Like, oh yeah. Oh yeah.
So, John Luke Bernal who was the guy that, you know, it was like a big Epstein Confidant and Associate was like, a high-level fashion photographer and it makes sense because like, you're their recruiting these girls when they're young and they're impressionable and they're like, you know, hey, here's this guy and just lean back. Like, here's so if you want good-looking people, you're probably not going to go to a comedy
club, right? You're going to go to a modeling
shoot. Yeah, not that there are good.
I can Comics, but I mean, like, young impressionable. Good-looking people are found in modeling, so I think that's why a lot of them. It is a bizarre job. It's a really
strange, the hose and you're like, what's the woman's name? That was married to Tom Brady. Gisele
Bundchen, she's worth more than him. Well, yeah, wow. Just by being hot, just by being hot and then amazing. Huge
greatest quarterback of all time in the biggest game. Yeah. All of North America, right?
And a woman just by virtue of being pretty
right wins she when she wins well and
she's like, I'm done with this guy keeps wanting to play
football. Yeah, but now you're looking at it's changing its changing. We're pretty now like if you're a model now, I mean they things are the look is changing, right? I mean, it's stare, it's a lot of bigger people and that's a lot of, not as pretty people or not traditionally pretty. So yeah. Well changing. But there's some, you can't deny nature you.
You can't and the 100%
teacher is all about purse. It was no
fat activism on Epstein's Island. You know what I mean? Like he was not maybe there was, I mean, there's what I mean. I don't think he was like, concerned with diversity, like the, you know, the people that are purveyors of just people's looks or just, you know, they
maybe had a request list, you might have. Who knows my into right,
you know, it's yellow. Like you fill out a questionnaire? Yeah, you know, like you fill out a
questionnaire like the spoke. But
What's the question? I like dates Bosch me. There's been people like that that have been sex trafficking forever. Yes, but it's shocking to people that it's going on now. They're
like what still? But here's yeah, it's it. There is sex trafficking for sure. But there's also like I was in Romania. I did a Bitcoin Guy, brought me over there to do his birthday party. I did, you hang out with Andrew tell you, I did, I did 20 minutes of comedy, and I bombed because it was people weren't really speaking English, and the ones that could didn't love me.
Some of them liked me and one guy pointed me just yelled Joe Rogan because he had seen me on this. Some Russian crazy guy, just got it for the middle of the set, what brought a good job looking and then sat down and they like brought him out. It's it was insane. Everybody paid me a lot of money to do it and then there was, you know, there's only one person there to really interview and it was Andrew taste. I went to his house and he's a lovely guy. Here's the thing about him and his brother, they are lovely people, whether they're
The traffickers are not there. Lovely people. I'm not for human trafficking, but they took us out for a steak dinner and there was women there and a lot of the women were quiet and I thought they were just quiet. That would be my story if I'm called to testify would go. David's. The women were quiet and they were obedient and then even looked at the floor. But really. Yeah, it was but it's eastern Europe. Joe, that's kind of the way they act and coming from America, as a little bit of a nice change of pace. We stunt. No, I
Me coming for that. Yeah, we
stunned when he got arrested.
It wasn't stunning. It wasn't still like when eventually I smoke another cigarette. Would I be stunned that I have a
cigarette? My hand.
No, I wasn't stunning. He got arrested. It was surprising to me because listen, people say things about somebody and you hope that they're not true, right? Because he has some wacky opinions,
but he has some opinions that I would
say are probably, you know, pretty pretty.
And there's an
interesting that people should, you know, stop being victims, and go out and work and figure stuff out and that, you know, they this world does leave you out in many cases and you have to figure a way around
things, right? And calls it, the Matrix or whatever but like
you have to be pretty like resilient. I think some of those messages are good. I think some of his stuff is funny and over-the-top but you clearly don't want this to be true. You'd never want, you know.
This to be true and I hope it's not
true. They think it's true. I mean it's our room is Romania
corrupt? Yes, it's corrupt. It's his Soviet, you know, Eastern Bloc country where I think a lot of people get paid off, I think Tate even talked about that. It was kind of a corrupt country and that people just kind of paid each other off. And like I think it's just the way a lot of those Eastern European countries work where,
you know, America's corruption
is is and you notate give a kind of made this
point, right? American corruption is
like big deal.
Billionaires, right?
You got to be, you have a lot of money to play the game. You got to have the, you know, series capital in places like that. You know, you don't have to be
a billionaire to
influence things. You can have a small business and have enough money to be like you're in the game, you pay, you pay people off to get the business open and then you pay people off to keep the business safe and I think it's kind of maybe the way America worked in the 70s before
and corporations owned. Everything
Thing. Hmm,
it's what it seems like but I guess I only spent. Why did he move to Romania? Isn't he from the UK? Yes. Well that's certainly not a great part of his defense is that he's living in Romania. He did live there. His
attitude was I
live here because I like
the freedom to do what I want.
But some of his detractors would say that it's easier to get away with stuff there. He's even kind of said that
You can kind of do what you want. You can kind of do what you want now maybe that means driving your car fast. Also it might mean you know human traffic. I don't know. That's only ones the gamut but you can get away. It's a weird place to live if you could choose to live anywhere. It's an interesting place to live. The people were lovely. You know, have you ever thought of where you live outside of the United States?
I mean, I probably have to go back with my people in Ireland. I think we all have to go to our people, I mean, you'd go to Italy. We have to go to our people now. Yeah, I think I go to my people and they're
just laying around eating.
I know, maybe I'll go to Europe, a stopped taste, yeah, building yatz drills and well, my people are drinking. But I mean, I guess you I mean, I don't know if I'd go to Brazil or something. I think, you know, I've been Island. I've performed in Dublin and it's kind of like, I don't know you feel.
I don't know that I'd ever
live outside of the US, but you do feel like a little
Bit of a kinship, do you feel any of that when you go back to Italy, not too much. Okay,
no, I enjoy it. I enjoy their way of life. Enjoy the way. They
behaved. Like Ireland were all tortured tortured. You got to see the new movie, The Banshees, having to Sharon? Yeah, it's really good. It's the crew from In Bruges. It's
amazing. It's like Colin Farrell Brendan Gleeson Martin McDonagh, direct. It's really good and they shoot it in Galway Ireland.
Ireland, beautiful. It is beautiful. What is your
angle plus? Not raining. Yeah, when it's not raining, it's
beautiful.
Yeah, but the people that, you know, it's a very different lifestyle than America. So I don't
know that I could ever do it, but I don't know.
Where would you go?
Well, the only reason why I go is, if some horrible shit, went down the United States and what are their
chances of that? It's just,
I mean, if fucking, if like Manhattan gets hit with a
nuke, right? That's not a good
sign. Oh, and that's when you have to really think. Oh my god. Do I stay
here right? Fella gets hit with a nuke? It's like, yeah.
They deserve, you know, you go. Well, you know, as long as I'm not there, I'd be like, uh, I would be sad, I'll text Annie Lederman like love you goodbye. Yeah, but yeah, but Manhattan gets hit with the new because New York's the nerve center of the country. So if that gets hit, we're in trouble. Isn't that
weird that New York's the nerve center of the country?
Really if you want in there? Well because it's the number one. It was before America it was Dutch fur. Trading Outpost was a Marketplace but in America is a capitalist country. So the
Is about Commerce in New York predates America, right? It goes back to the 1600s. Those are really. Oh, yeah, New York. It was New Amsterdam, you know before. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Before America became anything
and
it's just the best city we have. It's the best we can do as a country now, not everyone's going to want to live in a place like New York, it's expensive. You live on top of each other but it's got the best of everything when you when you think about,
you know, all of the
things that a country can do New York, probably does them all.
Is the best for what we can do is America food. Yeah, I mean everything. Like that education. I mean all the big companies. A lot of them are headquartered there. It's kind of Market. Yeah, it's an amazing City. You have this amazing diverse population of people that will become kind of New Yorkers and all kind of meld together. It, it's a real City when I was
great about it before the crime. Really reacts up, ticked crimes, not help it at that. The thing was great that you would be
And everybody would just like, from all walks of life, would walk on the streets together and ride the subway together. It's like, there's a real mixture of people. Whereas, in Los Angeles, people are just in their
cars. Los Angeles is an isolating and lonely place where everybody's out for the same thing, which is
Fame and they're not out for their out to capitalize if
they're not out for it, even the doctor in Los Angeles, will brag about his celebrity clients, right? Like you're going to Los Angeles in many cases to build something, right? You want
And, you know, it's it becomes it's not a community in the way that New York is New York feels more like a community and you get the best of everything. She had people in New York that are like going to be the best Architects or the best shafts or,
you know, maybe the best baseball players or the best, whatever, you know, and you put them all together and like, there's
excellent all-around. Even the buildings. You look at the buildings in New York. You go,
you know, Emery Roth or you know all these great Architects Henry hardenberg built a Dakota where land and lived or the plaza
like you're just around the
Amazing architecture. Some of it's been around for hundreds of years and it inspires you and you feel
great. I was watching this online piece about this lady who pretended to be a billionaire so that she could go to all the different places that were being sold. Yeah. And so she could take photos of their views. Yeah, but it was a really interesting perspective. No one should have this kind of money. No one should have to interesting. How do you stop that? They kept their money. Can't stop it. And I was also
like, I've been doing that
to going to places. I can't afford looking at them but
But
I don't take the tactic, no one should have that, kind of money.
You take the tack that one day.
I look at it and go, I'd like this kind of money. Yes, I think that there's a limit where money doesn't make you happy, but it is nice to have. And this idea that, you know, there is a new generation people coming up, where fulfillment is the main thing, which I understand and that's good, but I also think at the end of the day like, you know, we shouldn't lie about the fact that like
Being, you know, working and let getting the benefits of earning a living that you can be
comfortable with is good
as you're not, always going to be happy all the time. Yeah. Not at. Yeah. Every job you have you're not going to love, right. I think a lot of the young kids coming up right now are like I need to be
inspired at every moment of the day or I need to
be really and it's like there's a lot of shit jobs that you do and you don't realize why you do them until you get to the next thing. And then you all I learned something in a job that I
didn't
Realize I needed. Well money doesn't make you happy but it does relieve desperation, and Desperation makes you sad that's true that desperation the the desperation of not knowing if you're going to be able to pay your bills and that pressure and stress of it, I clearly remember when I got my first development deal and I got money in the bank and I just like was like a weight of liquor physical weight at lifted off my shoulders because For the first time in my life, I didn't worry about how I was going to pay the rent and that was
Because like that. What year was that 93? And that was the first time you took a breath. Yeah. Yeah. I was like wow. This is what this feels. Like
it's hard especially with comedy because when you start there's not a lot of money for a
while. No you're barely getting by. You got no health insurance, you know you're getting a couple hundred bucks here. A couple hundred bucks there, you trying to scratch together a living, pay your rent, pay your bills, pay your gas bill. Yeah and when you get done, you know, with the week and you pay all the stuff, you know you do.
Have anything left and that's how you're living you live in hand to mouth. Yeah. And you're always wondering, like, how am I gonna fill my book? So I can get enough road work so I can pay everything and you know, you don't know where it's going to go. And then getting a big check. I got a big check from Disney of all people and I start going to restaurants, right? But nice, this isn't my manager. Actually thought I had a gambling problem. Yeah. Because he saw what you were spending now and uh, meeting outright having a lobster. Yeah.
It's it's interesting when
you when you transition from from
being anxious about that stuff to at least having a taking a breath and
go to huge Advantage. Yeah it's a big Advantage. You can focus more on being creative but the hunger. Oh good, too. Yeah, the hunger of not knowing where you're going and what's going to happen that fuels people, but it doesn't feel everybody. Some people don't have the Constitution for it and fucks him up. Yeah.
So many of the Articles you read now are about how
they're they seem to be preparing
people to live with less going. You don't need to own
anything, you'll be happy, Rental World, economic Forum know, I know I know it's shitty that's truly nonsense but it's also because people don't have anything
that's right. And when they don't have anything and they see people have things, they think there's something wrong with those people. There's no way they did it the right way. Those people are all criminals. Like there's this attitude that people have when they're poor. When they look at people that are wealthy
Those people are evil, there's no way they're not evil, which is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. If you got a job that paid more money and you kept working up and you got more and more money and you do the same fucking person. Now, listen, you're wealthy. Are you evil now? Right. Did you do this by subjugating people? Did you do this by stealing? No
other such a vast and has him of, like, intelligence
to write? You have brilliant people and then you have people that
are, you know, they're just kind of struggling and I think the like sometimes even understanding
the world that we live in an even understanding how to make money, right? Or is difficult for a lot of people. Right, there is also a lot of fuckery and a lot of
corruption and like sometimes bad people get a lot of money but that's just the way it is. There's bad people without a lot of money, you know. Yeah. But it's just
understanding how to make money is difficult. I think for a lot of people cause you don't learn anything about money in school you know you go through 18 years of school you don't hear the word credit card interest rate. I mean it's kind of amazing. You know, you get some basic
It's courses in high school but like the
consumer economy, like the things you would need to learn. You just don't learn a ton about that or and how much they
discuss with you about how student loans you have to pay back no matter what. Yeah. Not really if you go bankrupt. Yeah. Did not
really like, you know, maybe they're doing it more now. But like you they leave out this stunning amount of information that you would need and I think a lot of people,
you know, are are
really very smart people that can tell you all about history or whatever.
You know, and I've been one at like a person who like I remember one of the first credit cards, I got it had like a 200 dollar activation fee and the limit was like 250 this was years ago. I tried to use it at a restaurant. They're like this. And I'm like, this isn't possible. It had to go through. I just got it and it literally I looked it was a two hundred dollar activation fee and I only had
50 whatever dollars available credit. Like
you get in that system and you fuck yourself. It's hard to get out of
it. I know a lot of people did that when they were struggling to get into credit card debt.
Let's Harvest rate keeps going up and then you get under, you're only paying the minimum amount every month. So just like the the actual chunk of money that you owe doesn't really
shrink. What's good about America is there's no debtors prison. So you can declare bankruptcy, that is less,
that is last year of student loans.
That's the one thing they'll get you on. But I've always, I tell people all the time, just declare bankruptcy and just let it
go.
Let It Go. But if you let the student loans go, they can't let the student loans go. But I say, don't even go to school. Like, it's what are you even doing in college? I mean, when you think about it, what is cut? Every story coming out of an American University is like summon say, it's like they've, they're holding the teacher at gunpoint now because she said, you know, something nice about Columbus like I don't even understand what anyone's learned unless you're like a finance guy. No, I'm going to Princeton or your Tech Pressure.
Going to Stanford. But these low-level mid tier schools. Do we need them? I mean, they're just they exist for like football and it's fun. You have fun. You'll get fucked up for four years. You enjoy yourself. But like, do you really? I don't know what you get out of it
and it depends on what you're trying to do. If you just want an education, just want to have more information and you're not thinking about using it as a career. Yeah. Which nobody does. Right? But if you did that you can learn some things in college and it or wanted to be a doctor. Well that's the way to do it if you want to be a lawyer.
That's the way to do it. You have to drill through
University but we don't need more of them. Like we
don't, we don't need more doctors, we don't need more lawyers.
And it, in terms of doctors, we probably don't need more dog. We have enough doctors in terms of like, you know, you know, we have a lot of doctors, we have every kind of doctor. We have plastic surgeons, we have all kinds of dot. It's like it's, you know, especially because I, but they die off. That's good point, I guess. I mean, then I'm gonna keep refreshing.
Getting this relation. If you're not going to be a doctor, you're not gonna be like a law. It's like em. Yeah. Do we got a few people doing the nearing? Marshmallow people are just in marketing. People got I'm in business smart. You'd ever talked to a kid like the market. They have no idea what's going. They don't know what to do there. Yeah, fill with
hormones. They're partying outside their house for the first time living in dorms. Yeah, getting laid, but
experience. Yes. It's a fun expand. Never had it. I went to Community College and I dropped out to start selling.
Mortgages. So I regret
not going to college but I like my
journey was meaningful to but
yeah, I regret it, I regret not going kind of, but do you regret about it? The experience it, you would have had in a college where you're living on your own with everyone your age, but I think I,
you know, my life would have been very different had I done that. I don't know, but it might have been
different probably. So I think the life I had was was good because
I love comedy. I like what I do and I think it's
Good to go through crazy shit, and have it be funny but I
think a college experience is interesting. If you make the most of it, you ever think
about what life would be like if you didn't do comedy?
Yeah, I do like
during the pandemic. Yeah, long. Did you go without doing
comedy? I think I was doing the podcast every week, but I did, you know, when they shut it down in March and I think the first time I was on stage, might have been,
you know,
I did a comedy clubs, any brand in
New, Jersey opened up the stress Factory outside, and he had an entire outside, Thea tent had a tent. And I don't know when I did that but I did it.
And it might have been three or four months, maybe was five months. I don't know. I don't know, I can't remember exactly been longer than that but it was weird. Yeah, you thought about it. You're like what would I do?
Well it was weird to me was when it seemed like there was a possibility that we could never go back to doing it again, right? The first few months,
And I was like what if it just stays like that? What if it stays? No shows ever again? Right. And I just have this distant memory of what it's like to do stand
out because it is the best thing. The internet's fun but it's
like being in a room with real people that are live. You need that human connection. Yeah, it's
a great time to some of the YouTubers had never are around people like it's a little weird. Oh yeah. Like the people whose entire interactions with everyone in life is just on the internet. You can you can look at them, you go, there's something off when you talk to them like they're kind of like they always hate that.
Not online. When you talk to some of them in real life, they're kind of like, they want to be in front of a computer screen. That's where they're most comfortable. Yeah. And there's some of their accustomed to what they're accustomed to and it's a little sick. But for me, I love that. I grew up without that and now we have it. But I like that, I didn't grow
up in front of that. Yeah. Well I personally, it definitely does something about your Social Development and there was an article recently about how it affects
it's children's brains in a measurable way like this connection to social media. Yeah, it's Alfred deniable. You're if you're, if you're not interacting with people for the most part and you're most of the time, you're like, if your job is to be a streamer, right? And the more you stream, the more money you make and you're streaming all day your connection with humans. It's got to be very strange and different than anybody has ever existed before.
Yeah. It's very interesting
because you are interacting with people. Yes, but you're not interacting with anybody in person, right? A lot of it is just you putting something out.
Out there and then people reacting to things you put out there. It's almost like sending a messenger
pigeon, it's very interesting, it's definitely a unique.
Vantage point
where because your look, also dealing with people
online. That a lot of them are Anonymous, a lot of them are kind of, you know, it's
different than it would be if they were in front of you. Yeah. Speaking to you face-to-face, you know, people are, you know, really either you're
trolling or their guard down, they're saying, whatever they want to say, some of them are being completely honest. Some of them are just trying to have fun some of the, you know. Yeah.
So you get to see like, you know, maybe the best and worst. I don't know. It's
interesting, well, you get to see what people are like in the back of
their mind, without social interaction, without communicating with people, you get to see like this little little base thoughts. That people have right shitty ideas that people have about other people and write just the shitty ideas. They have about themselves, right? It's astounding to me how many people like when I go on social media. If I just randomly scroll through Twitter, how many people talk about their mental health and how bad their men? Yes.
It's it's well, it's because I talk a
lot about it on stage now, you know, having
Mother who's mentally ill genuinely right. And I don't mean that other people, you know that, obviously, mental illnesses,
it's running rampant, but it does also seem like there's a difference between the mental illness. My mother
has where she's a schizophrenic genuine skit. You know she didn't diagnose yourself on Instagram. She's genuinely,
she's in an institution.
She cannot live in a, you
know, I think that's different than like, you know, for example, you know, depression and depression is very bad thing but there's clinical depression.
There's also a situational depression where right? Some of the things that you're doing or eating, or be, you know, whatever, you
know. And there's how do you discern? It's hard. What's the cause
though? It's very difficult when someone is diagnosed
with clinical depression. But then you look at their actual lifestyle and you look at what they're doing and what I'm feeling about their life. You like, yeah, of course, you're depressed. So, if you like clean that up, yeah, how much of it would have felt like, I don't want to be dismissive of people with. Yeah, I can real depression because I know people that have it. Yes. And I know people that have taken antidepressants and it
Your life and then they weaned off of them and then they're infinitely better off than they were before they took him. Yeah. I think they were on the
verge of suicide. Some people have a chemical imbalance and some people that can be corrected medicine. Some people really the depression comes from
a situation in their life, they can clear up. Some people have anxiety because, you know, again, they
have this disorder, but then there's a lot of people that have anxiety because like, you know, maybe they're in a job, they hate. Yeah, maybe they're in a bad relationship.
Ation
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lead and then everybody. No, no, yeah, they didn't talk about it because you don't talk about it. Yeah, cops are investigating something. Yeah, I mean, dude, a vacuum that place looking for DNA. They got genealogy DN, right? So they map
Hit the DNA to people that were related to this guy's crazy. Yeah. So it's not that they
didn't have well, he didn't share it. Well, why would they? Because it's entertaining for me. I would like to know. I would like to know that guy scares the shit out of me.
Now there's people like that. They said, nipple like that. The people that went to school with him said that he went. But when he went back to school now that this is obviously, if he did it, that he was noticeably happier and noticeably had more energy, and more lively and interacting with people.
Well, which is fucking creepy. That's a really
sick person. Yeah. Well this is a guy that was studying criminal
behavior and stuff, I mean, he
was, that's crazy. He came back after and he was happier.
Well, that's what they said, but also this is hearsay but this is also a people that, you know, know him and maybe they think he's a creep and right, you know who
knows? But the idea that you could be have that in your brain where you one day you could.
You could stalk these people or
whatever, figure out how to murder people and just go in
kill these innocent people and leave and go to school the next day. Like that is somebody's brain, that's fuck. There's no other way to say it has
no other side. The only other way to say it and they think there's just a certain percentage of those people. Like there's a certain percentage of
sociopaths and I guess the, the challenge is
identifying them, you know, psychopath sociopath.
That's where the techs are stuff comes in and you start to get nervous about it because like, they'll be
like, well, we
Want to start identifying
those types of people early like yeah. But that's almost, you know, you run the risk there of you know drawing lines around a lot of people. We're never going to do that. Who are either
goofy or funny or silly or saying dumb shit online and then you know you like death
metal. Yeah. They like death
metal whatever or movie listen to my podcast, whatever you want to hurt anybody. Yeah they don't want to hurt people but at the end of the day it's
like that's where a lot of that Tech stuff comes from. They're like well we where we got identify.
These like, antisocial people's Minority Report. Yeah. I mean, it's what it is that pre-crime
pre-crime? Yeah, that's scary. Shit. It's scary. It's scary. Also, because like this people that at times in their life, like there was a guy who was on this podcast, you know, Jon Bernthal, the actor? Yes, great. Yeah yeah. What an interesting dude? Interesting like way different than you know when people think of actors they think of people that are insincere this guy's the opposite of that. He's super sincere. Yeah. Really
Agent really articulate. Very deep and interesting guy and a really nice guy. Yeah, really, really liked him. But he was talking about this guy that he knew that he interviewed that was, he was going to blow up a mosque and he went into this much, he had this hate of Muslims. After coming back from overseas, rent from serving, and he was going to blow up mosque, and he went in there and he met this woman who welcomed him into the mosque and he was still totally
Intent on blowing her up. Blowing everybody up. She invited him over her home for dinner. He was still intent on it. So he gets to know her and his family completely changes course.
Becomes a devout
Muslim. Wow. And then talked about the whole experience. But what his plans were and that he didn't do it. And now he's just like very high. That's
like there was a prison guard in Guantanamo Bay that converted to Islam. He was a prison guard. And that's how you know you're
losing the war.
Or America, by
the way, that's not a great sign. But he converted to Islam because you know, he struck up a friendship with a guy in the thing. I think people are looking for something and that gives them purpose. The intensity of belief is always interesting to me and the people and I like Camille Paglia wrote an interesting article about Obama and she does, he's such a brilliant guy but one thing he doesn't seem to understand is like the religion, he does understand the passion and intensity of like belief systems because he is,
So intelligent
that he doesn't seem to
grasp that which
motivates people like, you know, that is she how does she know that though? Well, she just made comments on like, the way he would talk about religion. I think this was like after he made that comment like, people cling to their guns and their Bibles or whatever and she was, like, I don't think he fully, you know, understands, you know, being a harvard-educated god like he doesn't fully understand, you know, that the religion provides a great.
Comfort to many people and organizing principle for their life, right? I do think that it can, it can spill over into this, you
know, fervor that's unhealthy, right? And you see that with a fundamentalist religion everywhere, where it's like, whether it's you're a Christian or Muslim, you know, there is a certain, you know, value to critical thinking and
not cult, you know Behavior. But yeah, that's interesting. A story like that. Where a guy goes in to kill people. There was why I want to be one of you. That's someone who's looking for
something something. Yeah, well obviously,
Lee, just the fact that he wanted to go in there and blow the mosque up. He's yeah, obviously in a bad place, he's not in a good place. And sometimes when people get involved in a really rigid, ideology a religion with a bunch of other people that are committed, they feel a sense of community and purpose and it gives them discipline and focus and, you know, and you know, the Islamic faith is particularly rigid not working. Yes, and particularly devout, a lot of those faiths are if you follow the letter of the law, like in the Western World, a lot of our faiths have been tempered.
By the types of governments we have, right? So where we don't we have a separation of religion and, you know, government, but in other parts of the
world they don't. And I think one of the problems
now and you're seeing this kind of resurgence of religion, which I think could be good. It depends right on the form. It takes, but a lot of
the western world is cut people feel an emptiness.
Now that
we've, you know, religion isn't big in America.
Haven't replaced it with anything. Like people are still at the end of the day, trying to figure out why are we here?
What are we doing here? Does anything happen
when we die? How should we behave towards each other? And we haven't given them anything. They had this, you know, my grandparents were devout cat, my grandmother was devout
Catholic, my grandfather was a devout Catholic,
she was still a Democrat voted Jake. You know, she was still like, you know, not someone who, you know, but she went to church all the time in
her life and the way.
She believed, you know, the
we they were both. You know, when I was around both of them when they
died,
you couldn't find a more peaceful person as they were
dying because they believed they believed like my grandfather when he was diagnosed
with cancer and they said you don't have much left. He said like you know my kingdom is not of this Earth. He's like that's fine with me, he was really at peace. My grandmother to my grandma said, I've lived a good life and you know, well, that's what people want, that's what people want. They want going to be at peace.
Yeah, it's very hard to achieve peace in this world. It's very hot, especially, if you're doing difficult things. Yeah, it's very hard. It's very hard to just the battles you have in your own mind with failure and, you know, everything that you're doing in life just people that you interact with the chaos and, you know, struggles and strife. And and then the Y. What is it all for? If you don't have a, what is it all for? Can get really fucking
weird. Yeah, and that I think that not knowing that chaos people.
People can't deal with it and it's easier. Maybe for people that can block all that out and just go, but I think a lot of people struggle with that. A
lot of people use drugs, to block it out that a lot of people use drugs. A lot of people, like, in fan of means, right? Because it just blocks it out and Below. Go, you just go going and yeah, your purpose is and going. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Just kind of gets
muted. Yeah, it's difficult. It's difficult. I think, for a lot of people to just make peace
The idea that stay unknown. Yeah, you know, like we really don't know like it, you know, I mean you could follow a system you can try to be, you know, and that's where I guess some of that DMT, shit, you've done that helps people seem to people, people come back from some psychedelic experiences and feel better about
everything. Yes. Yeah. I definitely do. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think yams the way I look at things. Yeah, he just the fact that that's real that you can actually have that experience. Like
Everybody not know about this house is, how is this not promoted? Yeah, and it all obviously not for everybody especially not for people who already have a slippered grasp on reality itself. That's a problem. It's a big problem with psychedelics and not just like a dog's butt like mild or psychedelics like marijuana and people with schizophrenia. Yeah that's what Alex Berenson wrote about in his book. Tell your children. Yeah it's a very interesting book because a lot of people that are pro-marijuana like including myself, you know, instinctively want to reject reject this notion
That it triggers schizophrenia but it does. I think it might I think with some people I mean it doesn't with me, but I think some people that have a tendency or an inclination towards that and they have like a really heroic dose of
doubles or something like that. I've seen people crack.
I know multiple people in my life that have gotten really fucked up from weed and got
crazy, parents hard to know until you've done it, right. It's basically it's too late. Yeah. Like, you know, people, you know, they smoke pot, they want to smoke
pot and
Eventually like, you know, maybe something they some underlying, you know,
Tendencies gets a friendly like that stuff just comes out, they don't
know. And a lot of them are smoking there, all day, every day and so that's the reality. The reality, the way, the interface with the world is through cannabis, like they're they're too much, it's probably but some people are fine with
it and then everybody's on pills, right? I mean, there's the amount of people that are on
ssris or depression, meds, or anxiety. I mean, it's a
massive amount of people on
a so much money in it.
Yeah, just get vaccinated. Stop with the pills. Just get a covid vaccine. Every four months, you'll feel better about whatever's wrong. We'll ya. Yeah. I mean, my aunt's are 9th, booster. And she feels great. She calls the egg a pastor. I just got best day off. She's great. Her eyes were blood-red. She's, you know, I wonder if
people get addicted to doing it. Oh, there's by the way, like they want to do it more. I'm gonna read nervous. Need an article about the person who's gotten vaccinated 100 times with David. What's the personal lives?
I got vaccine the most times you now Fork over. Yeah,
definitely. Somebody who's gotten
vaccinated way more than they should. What's the number, you think? Oh, I don't know, like, you know, how, like people that are hooked on oxy to go to a different doctor, especially before the, I had a friend. Who was he fucked himself up? I forget what his injury was, but he got on Oxys in Texas and then he moved to California and got on Oxys with a different doctor, right. It was getting both doctors to prescribe him and then he went off the rails Doctor shopping? Yeah. They call it. Well, it's a fact.
I guess they're the doctor in. Texas, didn't know? The doctor in La was giving it to him, so he's getting double dose and then he was getting it on the street. Yeah, next thing. You know, like, he's fucking gone. Yeah, he's pretty normal before that
happened. Yeah, there's definitely there's there's got to be people that are abusing
vaccines. Like what I would like to know, like what's the moat is there, see Google this
what if it's hard to find
person who has been vaccinated? The Mummy, this
Godlike, there's no way fisa likes
that article.
Oh no. All right, let's get probably like online support groups.
Yeah, no no. This is the keeping this quiet but there's probably
like some online. Oh, yeah, things where people are like discussing like you know, there's people that they feel like they should chop a handoff. Yes. You know, they feel like they're not supposed to have a left hand. Well, there's
also weird stuff for people pretend to be disabled tank. It's crazy.
Yes, they want to be,
they want to be
disable. There's something about, it's like trans disabled. Yeah, I mean,
But the brain is such an amazing thing, right? Like, Oliver Sacks was just amazing, forget what he was at College. He wrote a book called The Man Who mistook his wife for a hat. And it was this crazy book about rare brain conditions where like people just for whatever reason, their brains function in a way that was so puzzling. Even the doctors even doctors were like what the fuck is this? Yeah, Dan obviously that stuff keeps you up at night.
So you don't want to, you know, because you start hypochondria later, I had it
yesterday. You don't make sense, I mean yeah the brain is like a very complicated biological computer in some ways like you ever drop your phone and just to start doing wacky shit. Yeah. I had a phone once I dropped it in Hawaii and it just started calling people. Yeah I would just I would hang up and it would just randomly call someone else. Hang out, randomly call someone else like. Yeah, it's shit. And that's what your brain will do some people's brains. Yeah, it's just the wires are wrong.
Everything's fucked something. Got knocked loose, and, yeah. And that's crazy. That's you forever. Yeah. It's always scary about Knockouts, like some people that have been knocked out. Like, they don't come back the same person. Yeah, they're in there a new world now. Yeah, they're a new human with a new way of interfacing because their brain is fuck. Yeah.
Are you now with all the bad press with the end of teas? Are you happy? You never took my advice.
Yes, not only. Did I not take your advice. I refuse to
Osment. Yeah, that was smart. Yeah. There was a few of those crypto fucking and if I'm like, uh-uh that's not real. Yeah, I'm not getting involved in telling people to. Yeah, put their money into something that I don't fucking believe
top, who was a gamble, you know, and, you know, a lot of people lost and that's, you know, now a lot of people getting held to account, right? There's
a lot of people Logan Paul
II. These guy people are people are set at P. Tom
Brady, a lot of people getting there getting sued in a class action lawsuit. A lot of people are angry. Yeah, Paul.
Don't like how about those Matt Damon commercials, where he's comparing it to like Magellan and fucking people's crayons on the moon. Yeah, yeah, be brave. Yeah, be brave with your fucking entire life. Saving Kim Kardashian got involved. Well, those people were throwing money around. Yeah, there were throwing a lot of fucking money around and not to
me either, but we had a turban. We do
crypto ads on the show, not for this, if it
goes, yeah, we did crypto ads for like like, you know, if
You want to invest in crypto, here's a good service
to invest with, but it wasn't
like, I wasn't like pumping my own Dylan coin, right? You know what I mean? I was doing that but like, yeah, I mean, like, I I would still do it as 4 ft x like it's day. I would still do them if they, you know what I mean? If there was a plan, like if she embankment freed said to me, we're going to make every 1/1. Which is what he keeps saying. How is that even possible? Well, it's
hard to Arthur millions of creditors so
Millions millions, so there's
millions of people he owes money to even if he owes them $1
he goes I just want to make them all like they keep interviewing him and he keeps going. My goal here is to make the customers whole and so he called me and goes going to make everyone Hall and you know we're going to pay you, right? And we're going to get in there and do some ads. It's like I'm not gonna hold one mistake against him. Do you think he thinks that he can just do it again? Yes, this is I was he did it already. I believe that a guy like that believes. I was I was on
I was in a room with Bill Clinton, I was
in room with Joe Biden. I
was in a room with the most powerful people in the world. I
was the second biggest donor to Joe Biden's presidential campaign. I, I can get out of this
and maybe serve my sentence, or he plead not guilty. So he might be thinking, like there's a comeback story. It's what's getting him
up every
day. There's no way that a Redemption Arc is not motivating. His
behavior. Do you think? They'd let him be on amphetamines now?
Oh, I don't know. It wasn't that part of the problem they were all jacked up on
pills. What part of the problem was they were dressed? Well, maybe
that's true. I think that's part of the problem. Part of the problem is
this is also all bullshit kind of, you know, that's also part of the problem, right? That's the problem. It coin like a lot of this stuff didn't get implemented, right? It's not being used, it's not like the currency is not. Well you know you have a CX didn't even she didn't even trade in Bitcoin know they would do these other fucking bullshit which is really wild. It's wild and then they had to Alameda re, you know, they would just do it a sex cult.
The Bahamas with ugly people out of four. That I'm forward to force a great story. If it was real, they
were just making money and banging each other and
taking pills to sit. Worked out for gross nerds. It worked out great for a
while. Yeah. During that time, it was a wonderful
story. It's amazing. They couldn't get hot people with the amount of money they had, but they just had gross smart people, fucking each other on an island. Yeah. How great. Everyone looked gross. Nobody looked like they showered people's hair was weird.
Good old hippie commune. Yeah but was it was the
purpose of the Bahamas. This is the
regulatory thing. Ya know want to be under the watchful eye of they wanted to get out and do you know Jamie? Do you know you were
your? What is the
regulator to us Regulators?
Yeah. A bunch of cryptos are down there
now. They're all down there but they all move to Puerto Rico. Why do you think that is? Well, it's all taxes. It's 4% tax rate and they can kind of do whatever they want. And now they're all being found dead. What all these crypto guys?
A lot of more like one guy ended up. He tweeted like the cia's. Yeah. Well me and then he ended up in the
ocean. Yeah. Well, that was a see that that seemed
odd little sketchy, little sketchy and then just ended up in, because a lot of what happens. I think with these guys, he's Bitcoin guys, is the government has to understand this stuff better, right? So, the government has to go and figure out how are you guys doing whatever? You know what I mean? And, the government probably sends agents out to
befriend these people, right?
And then these people
Either figure something out, they shouldn't figure out
or are no longer useful. And then what happens when you're no longer useful,
is your you go. It's not
useful. You're a liability. It's not come alive, longer useful, so they couldn't possibly tell a story. That's right. Get people fucked. Yeah, that could expose the identities of people. Yeah. For guy, who drowned. What was he saying? What was, you know, that story. Jamie, right. But it is one of many and you do, you also have to thank look, look, you're not dealing with the mentally, the healthiest people in the world.
Not right. That's true - CIA and Mossad and pedal Lolita running. Some kind of sex trafficking entrapment black brown ring out of Puerto Rico in the Caribbean islands they're going to frame me with a laptop. Planted by my ex-girlfriend who was a spy, they will torture me to death. By the way this guy's a fun got to do lunch with,
you know, you just want to talk. I mean, by the way, if someone, if somebody
said that to me, I'd go go on. That's the gentleman right there. Yeah, boy, yeah. Boy,
that looks embankment for, you know what I mean? That is what
Jewish. But that is what you would
do if you were an intelligence agency and you wanted to entrap a nerd, you would bring a hot
spot of course and they have hotspots. Of course, I've
seen James Bond.
Yeah. That's real bringing in a hot spot. That's what they do. That's how you know FTX was uncompromised. There were no hot spies. It's true. That was uncompromised a to CIA was like, I can't believe it. They actually want to fuck each other that's like this.
People to choose from their
own an island, guys. And girls. Just banging each other. Yeah. And when you're on that amount of amphetamines and what else they're on, who knows. They're probably enjoying every fucking second. Oh yeah. The Indian guys attractive and FTX, I will say that everyone else is gross and I want to, I don't want to put him in with the rest.
Who are the India was an
Indian guy who's attractive, but everybody else was kind of. It was rough. He's probably the king. He, yeah, it was rough. Everybody else was ruffle.
Freed was the king because he was the
brains masterminds, The Mastermind. We also had that Mom. That was a democratic
Act.
Operative they went to Stanford, man. It's so funny because I walked around Stanford. I was in the San Jose Improv and I walked around Stanford and you do get a Vibe. It's interesting. It's like they are the Future Leaders. Those are the tech. You know, it's like Harvard, Yale to fuck all that sad, old wasp money, fuck that it's all
about Stanford. These are all the
folks. Yeah, we're guy's good-looking guy. That's the guy with the
glasses to the right of him is not bad-looking.
You know what? They got those glasses. That's the best picture he took, and if you saw him in real life, you'd go. Oh no, they did the India guy holds
up? No, no, that guy with the blue v-neck. He
Go to the gym, get jacked shave his
head. He's got, I can tell you're a good features, bad skin. I'll just tell, you know, I'm telling you. She's almond good in real life. You know, horrible skin, really be very oily. No, I just feel it. Oh, you just got this feeling. It being mean, I'm not being mean, I don't. First of all, they stole. Everyone's money. Well, did we not miss one in trouble? As well. As it seems like, only sandbank
been freed is in
jail because pretty wild other people flipped. They became
rats when Caroline did right. Caroline flip because there's no honor and
Well, put those photos up, there's one other gentleman, can't rewind flipped woo-hoos which one is
he? I believe he's Asian if he's not, he's culturally appropriate and if he's not
he's got explaining to them. Yeah. Which guy flipped that? I'm gonna guess that's Karry Wang. Well, the guy next to him gun to my head. That's Gary. What about the guy next to him?
That's a sad. That's a wang.
Okay. And so those,
I mean that kind of the left Crimea looks
Like British, are they all others? Gary way, you know, you son of a bitch.
He's RedHawks it already looks worse. See the same guy, dude. He already looks worse. Wait,
that's the same guy. That was ready to rock back to the picture. That's the same guy that can't be the same guy I'm telling you, Joe. No, that's the same guy. I guarantee it's the same notes. They got to the right of him, isn't it? We gotta fight it. Go back. And let me see that again and go back to the other one to get no. Yeah baby right. There is no no fucking way. Don't know dude I wish has it. That guy's balls.
Doing the other. Got a full head of hair? Go back. Full head are luscious? Yeah, it's hell for sighs is there is no, there's no way that's the same guy. That's like a handsome fellow with the v-neck. I'm going. I'm in his Corner. Okay, well, you
know. Okay, but let's, let's, let's see if those are.
Those are the names. Okay, so here's the Inner Circle.
Okay. Keep going. That we know her. She's wild. Like, she's watching listening to
her talking there any? This cock. Oh yeah. He's got no, there's Gary Wayne truck. There is William mccaskill. Okay, wait a minute.
Leah. Mccaskill Mentor. He was Aunt or sandbank from free. What it will? Scroll back down. Again was it's a philosophy. Professor at Oxford Chief Architect of effective.
Altruism didn't we have him on the podcast? Did you have him on the podcast? Are you involved in this? Hold on a second.
The feds break in, right? I
think we had someone on the
podcast.
Oh wow that's him. There was talking about effective
altruism. Yeah he was a very nice guy. I think there was a request to have him back on recently before the shit. Hit the fan. Yeah that's him it handsome fellow. He isn't that know he's a very nice guy. Well he was talking about effective. Obviously Hearts here, tuck him talk a little bit faster for learning. They going to be insistent running, see because then I got. Now going to have huge, amazing computer power. They're going to be able to create simulations of the past.
That that going to have some interest in the running simulations of the past. Well, the number of if that is true, then the number of single a dish that these future people are going to be running will vastly outnumber the number of actual timelines, the kind of bass universe as it were so for the one real Universe where history, a kind of unfolds, there's also let's call it, you know, 10,000 simulations of
That universe. And if that's true, then it's the case that will given that. I'm just you know, these things really are indiscernible for the people who are inside them. Is overwhelmingly likely just in the base fight that I'm going to be in a simulation rather than in the real world. And what Nick Bostrom says, actually is not that we definitely aren't a simulation, but you just points out the conflict between these three kind of beliefs that we would seem to hold.
Old one, is that we're not going to go extinct in your future too? Is that people in the future, will have some interest in simulating the past and thirdly that we're not living in a simulation and he himself gives, you know, a reasonable degree of belief. Maybe he thinks it's like ten percent likely 15 percent likely that within a simulation other people who understand the argument very a bit more. But I think, you know, it's something you should at least be taken seriously.
The reason I have a jacket, it is kind of even weirder. I think it's somewhat technical
but what's interesting is like
CM sure I'm gonna give a dumb answer. So, let's, let's get out of here right now.
See a sandbank, the freed heard that and went great. We're going to do it and we don't care if the experiences are
real. Well, I would imagine the will mccaskill was involved with them because they were donating a lot of money.
To altruistic causes and that's probably what his position that all his whole thing is about giving he gave away most of his income, I
believe he only kept some
very small amount, like thirty thousand dollars a year and most of his money that he earned he was giving away. That's how, you know, cars are really bad
folks. When they start giving away their, that's how you know, nobody give you a
Zone money, I know, but lived a very simple life, I know.
So is Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, the Angels, they're all giving what all these.
You like we're going to give away our money and we're gonna and we're sitting up all these foundation and a lot of it's a fraud, it's like a tax scam. And the other thing is like, it's never enough. They're not just giving you the money to give you the money and then going and here's what I want Society to look like.
That's the problem. They go.
Here's my ideas on public health policy. So you started Microsoft, the fuck do you know about God? Shut up. This is
what I want. Here's what I want. It is bizarre when they get involved with
public health. Bill Gates, buying a farm animal,
It's
probably everybody. Not eat meat,
you did. There's a weird thing where they have, they want it socially engineer society and they think from where they said they can do that in the cover. For that is we're doing everything for you. You're going to love it. It's going to be better and just to prove I'm not a crazy lunatic who wants control over you. I'm look all this money. I have, I'm giving it away. Yay, here it is, throwing it out and the reality is they're just doing it to increase your power base. I mean, it seems
None of them are broke, they're all just, you know.
Interesting. Yeah, the Farmland stuff is
wild. It's wild, why would he
blow seeds? You know, he's, he controls most of the
seed he want they want to March, they want to Maurice list future. Do you thing about Kush? Everyone can be trans but Dad I go. What's the point of that? Like they just wanted genderless like everyone's genderless and like typing, a pilot, Bill Gates
Had No Agenda list. That was. The thing about Gates is that he likes pussy.
Yeah, I know and he's you know so to me I go what is the pert like if everyone's like this weird like, you know, androgynous pod person, I go who even benefits from this, I don't know.
You really think that's what they want you to think. Kind of if Society gets boiled down to this thing where we're not dangerous
anymore, you want a very docile. Oh you know group of people and I think this is what they've always
wanted. Well you could make all the men feminine
you can make all the men.
Mmm. That's a
Wheels. Stop
Revolt. If you can plug everybody into the idea that they are always doing the right thing and everything they're being told to do is for the betterment of others and there's this social responsibility, they arrived and it's good to do this and it's bad to do that, right? I when you introduce all these things because most people want to be good people. Yeah. So if you can get them in there which is why the woke shed go so far because people,
Go. I just want to be a good person. Right. Right. Right. Right. So I don't want to deal with it, you know? So I think that's a part of it. They just want everybody to be. It's kind of a slave state where everyone will just go and work at their jobs and not complain. Yeah. And corporations will, you know, own everything and everybody and you know, they tell you what they want. I mean the Articles route, you do you alone. Nothing and be happy. You'll you'll have no savings. You don't need to own a car. You don't need to own a house. You can just be on a new bird. Well, the will know where you're going and isn't that wild that? Yeah,
we'll own.
Thing, and you'll be happier this, but this is the end of people. It's wilder than the people who are writing that own everything but
obviously someone has to own thing, right? Otherwise you would just take whatever you
want article came out. I think it like Bloomberg or something. He came out and bear, it came out in something where you'd go, what like, so it's the people that don't everything or telling you that you don't need to own anything. And that the gig economy is great, you can just go from gig to Gig to Gig and you're on, you know, you're on the grid and
we'll maybe the idea.
Is like, if you wanted to look at in the most charitable way, if you extrapolate it to the Future like what it may be. One of the things that's holding people back is this desire to possess things and is this desire to constantly accumulate wealth and money and power? And if it was even across the board and we could just concentrate on the things that we enjoy doing and not concentrate on things people don't enjoy. It's not human. Yeah, that's the problem. It's not, it's not you're talking about like
things other than he concentrated on what he enjoyed doing. And now we have four people dead.
That everybody, by the way, everybody was like, oh, covid is here like no one's working anymore. It's gonna be a paradise. Look. Everyone's going to start Community Gardens. What happened? I remember a lot of things getting burned down. People need shit to do and I mostly isolation to yeah. They shouldn't be slaves to their jobs, but people need things to do and when you talk about people owning things in material, things like people want houses, it's not only a material thing, right? It's a, it's a way to basically.
We provide a sense of security safety Comfort. Yeah, that you're not, depending necessarily on someone else to provide you. Your able to independently, give your family, a certain quality of life because you own a home, right? When you own a car, you have the ability to travel and get a job that you want per se, you know, you have more freedom. I look at all those things as Freedom. Right. Like and you're right there is a materialist angle of that. We're like you can always get
caught up in all the house isn't big enough.
For the car's not nicer or whatever.
Yeah, but at the Bare Bones, these people are just I think trying
to, you know,
basically self actualize and have things in the people that are telling them. They don't need any of those things. I mean. Well, then what the hell, are they replacing it with, you know, an apartment you rent and everybody will tell you the color of the wall and, you know, no easy after 10 has to be. That's why people stopped with are being big people, don't airbnb's going to go out of business soon because people have don't Google that. But yes, I am.
Are you saying that? Just because you
got banned from Airbnb.
It's completely a coincidence. I'm saying this Airbnb, got too crazy with the rules. They kept telling us when to clean their own stuff up, and people have lump a huge cleaning fee. And why am I not supposed to be loud after 10 p.m. they got rule? Obsessed and people are sick of it. And that Airbnb is going to go out of business. And hotels are back. Everyone likes hotels now, Airbnb, 0 and hotels. Are are winning. Is this true? Yes, people are going back to
Tells people getting sick of Airbnb,
but as Airbnb, like, is that an actual fact
that there are all kinds of right now? I'm glad this
is your podcast, not
mine. It's it's no but and here's the Brilliance of this setup. No one knows. It's mine. That's true. I get all these views because they think it's yours, right? They think it's back on YouTube, it's great. We don't even say it's mine, we just put it out. I start doing ads for Trager Grill, but no, I think I think airbnb's are they got restrictive and there are articles.
About it. Like obviously I'm kidding. They're not going out of business but people started saying like, hey man, I'm on vacation. Like what? I check into an Airbnb in this 35 rules. I don't feel like I'm on vacation.
That was just up to the person who owns the home.
Yes, beside what the rules are. Yes, but it just got too much
but can you look at that in advance before you decide to rent a house? I
believe you can? So then, but some steaks on you, it's a lot of them. Now, a lot of these things are like,
Everybody's just like there's no don't because you're in residential areas. So they're like, well don't be loud after 10 and what's
got to be a problem and it because I know it's a problem because I know a guy who owns a home it right next to his home. He lives in a wealthy area and they rented out to tick. Tock kids, just like an Airbnb at a really big baller putting on some coffee. Yes, there's a they rented it out only a little. Thank you tell me one. That's fine. Okay they rented it out to a bunch of tick-tock kids and they were having all these parties all the time and he started getting
Really pissed off because like his neighborhood be crowded with cars now and you know and there in this very wealthy community, there's really nice house. That's right. Tick-Tock kids have a shit ton of money when I would rent.
These are BB's. What happens is? I would just sit in the backyard with a microphone and scream
because I'd be doing my
podcast and people wouldn't like it because somebody would be raising their kids and I'm like, back at Marcos a whore and they look at what is I'm like, it's my job. It's legitimately my job. Yeah, to do. I
Smoking cigarettes and yelling into a microwave and then go, hey, man, this is not. So I get it. But, you know, that's why people, you know, I think are gravitating back to, you know, everything. He felt very pandemic. A everyone's like, all vacation in someone else's life. Let me see. You know, you know, it's interesting. It was like, oh, you know, everything, you know, had become possible during the pandemic and people are like maybe, you know, people moving around. People were questioning all kinds of things, it was interesting. I like what would it be like to live in?
Wherever and I live in a house but now people I think are just going hemans couldn't fucking hotel, the maids came and they clean their room service. Hmm. So I mean that's what I think. Sorry, Airbnb.
I think this might be motivated by your hate for Airbnb because well, it is off the platform. It is Airbnb is on the outs. Thank or is it airbnb's once lauded vacation? Rental model. Begins to go stale. Who disrupts a disruptor? Oh interesting, has the Airbnb bubble.
according to one recent viral, tweet Airbnb, hosts have seen bookings evaporate since the busy summer travel season
Airbus are be and bust is upon us. What's going on with Airbnb? No bookings at all. Okay, so people who this is Airbnb, super hosts and also they're putting more restrictions on rentals in certain communities, right? So Tahoe, look at this, it says anyone seen a huge decrease in bookings, over the last three to four months. We went from at least, 50% occupancy to literally 0% the last two months. I'm just curious if something's going on with my property or other people are seeing similar things.
I'm in Palm Springs where you
look is, not telling people now where you have a problem. Yeah, Joshua Tree stop telling people to take your own garbage out. Stop telling them to clean their own dishes. Make it an actual vacation experience for them. Get off your lazy asses walk into your house and do the dishes for people and take out the garbage and have a maid to it. They pay a five hundred dollar cleaning fee. That should be cleaning. You someone needs to clean. So that's a huge problem and that's the problem that I had where it's like. I'm paying a cleaning fee.
I should also not have to clean on top of that and stop with the covid cleaning. It's fake. Well it's a deep covid clean. What is fake? What do you mean? Deep covid? They used to say that during the pandemic gave me like. It's a tea. We're doing a deep covid clean. It's like number one, it doesn't live on surfaces number two. This is fake. So
they were charging you more money from that
course, you know, the game of it clean. I just think that, it's one of those things where, you know, it's been interesting to see it change, right? I think. And they're also putting Tahoe. Just ban short-term
rentals.
We got to be 30 days. Really interesting, interesting. So they essentially put Airbnb out of business there.
They don't want you doing short term rentals in Tahoe. Jamie, make sure that's true but I believe that, that is true. Someone told me that interesting. Well,
Tahoe is a big-money
place, it's a huge place, and there's a lot of money there, but there I think you're getting sick of the short-term rentals. Interesting, the Tahoe kind of makes sense to have you ever swam in it. It's supposedly so cold. It's like your Brie can't breathe like a ice
bath kind.
Interesting. They say it's one of the coldest Lakes. It stays cold all year so it's a glacier link. Yeah, Mark Twain said it would revive a mummy? Yeah, I've never swam in it but supposedly it's really like wonder what the
temperatures I think I've last year they capture short-term rentals but this is a almost a year ago so I don't know if something happened since I'm trying to and I think when you said capped, what does it mean? This is six-month moratorium. So like whatever was there now you can't have any more additional short term rentals added to this, the county or the
Yeah. They were they were getting real upset with short-term rentals. I think it might have just actually just Bandit just said you got to do 30
days. Hmm. See if that's true. I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah. My realtor said, I don't know if that's true or not. But why would you real to a lot of you? I don't think that a realtor.
I think he
wouldn't. Yeah. So blame him. Yeah. But it's, you know, that the whole getting people to stay in your house for a little while and pretend it's a hotel, but then make them clean up that does seem a little
problematic. It's weird it
You
should hire me. It's strange. And it be it's confusing because you check in and you go, well, I want to treat this like my house and I treat my house like shit.
So, here it is, what does it say? Here? Wired cities, sites. New York City and Lake Tahoe is examples, Arizona. SB 1350 law, that passed that bypasses State's ban on. Short-term rentals means it's such a Crackdown is unlikely to happen. So what does that even mean?
Well, some locations across the world have instituted, crackdowns our wholesale bands on Airbnb such as New York City and Lake Tahoe. Wired city is what is also, ok, so is where the article is, I think I get it. So some locations have instituted crackdowns or even wholesale bands, so that does seem to prove your point. So, site wired sites New York. So it's Wired, Magazine has got this going on. Catch it. New York City and Lake Tahoe is examples of those articles about Sedona getting
Pulled by the Airbnb. Gold rushes came out five days ago.
So it's also creepy man. Most people most airbnb's you stand people. Watching you what most are being busy. Staying people are watching you for watching. Yeah. Camera's not even like that, but sometimes there are weird cameras, but like I've heard that just there's surveillance, it's weird. Like literally they'll tell you, when you check in there, like don't have any people here because you're on camera and the neighbors are watching. So it's like, they're like, don't have anybody he over, don't have any parties like it snatching.
She was
someone's pretending to be a hotel, but there are private individual that wants absolute control but they don't understand how hotels were. This is why Airbnb is a sick
company that has allowed a lot of people's like weird voyeuristic impulses to take over and they've monetized it. It should be outlawed. Frankly, they should Outlaw. You're being be woman.
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that's no one's.
Behind. There's a pond smashed windows were smashed Windows. Okay, that's it. Well, here's the deal. It's like
you know, it's interesting I think if you have a large group of people I totally understand, like why you would consider being in a play, put just got a
hotel. That's what you do now.
Yeah, I mean,
you were mr. Airbnb.
Like use them all the time because they were cool and they were fine. You could you be like hi? I'm Lee. I'm living. Like a person who lives in Suburban Houston or
And then you're like now it's just I've gotten to the point where it's like, well they got rid of me and there was no process and you know, which was unfortunately, there was no, I was not able to defend myself like there was no like, you know, it's like the, it's the way the platforming works there. Just go, you're done. Yeah. So, that was it.
That's unfortunate. But so you're like, little bit happy
that they're on slide. I mean, I'm a little bit happy that they're on the slide, but I knew it because I knew
when you start asking me to clean up after myself, I know it's over.
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Sizing that the way to get people to really work is. Yeah, they got to be in the office. I
also think people's batteries, I think people's, I don't know I think there is still a lot of hybrid work, a lot of remote work going on. I think people are saying come in less than you used to. I also think people's marriages like you can't just sit at home all day like my friend and his wife worked together and like not work together but worked in a house together and he goes listen I love her and she loves me but like it was very healthy for us to go out every day and have
Of different social environments,
right? And then come back together at night. It's very healthy to have that. Not like every minute be in the same house where she
has a corridor. I have a corridor
and you know, we're meeting all the time, you know, right. It was healthy. So I think I think that's you know going to go back where people realize that there's more to work than just work. There is like this social Arrangement and I think the people in a house all the time that seems to be you know I don't
That'll be negotiated going forward, but I do think that you're not going to have all remote work. There's no way. People wouldn't want to leave their fucking
house. Yeah, some people, get out though. Some people love the idea, they didn't have to
commute. Yes, well that's true tips to commute getting worse and worse because you know, there's more and more people in cities. So the community are getting worse and worse,
but it was also, I think people just love the idea that they could be free. That they're still working, but they can do it on their terms. But then job started instituting.
Things where they would monitor your clicks and monitor your computer did. Give you a work computer and then people were installing those programs that move the mouse around randomly and clicked on things.
Nothing is like for it. Nothing's free.
Yeah. So whatever you want to get them camera, whatever you got, nothing's
free. You know, it's I think, you know, after that period,
it was interesting is a lot of people reflected on like what I really want to do do I really want to do what I'm doing, right? So you saw Industries,
the service industry is still a
Come back because people have left the
service industry permanently. Like a lot of people left waiting tables. People left Jabs didn't want to do, right? And they were like I want
to do something else and maybe I want to live somewhere else and I think it gave people a lot of time to stop and think about the direction of what they were
doing. Hmm. And then some people
changed it, you know it's interesting to see, I mean II still feel, the place is still feel understaffed.
A little bit, some places
some places still feel like they haven't fully come back. Well at the end of this
pandemic, like when things were really opening up again that's what I saw. A lot of places like you would go there and there was a long wait for tables. Yeah. And you'd see open tables. They're like we just don't have enough weight on that people
so it'll be interesting to see what comes it. Like I think when we look back on it I think in like 10 years it's got to be so
far in the rear view
that 10 years from
now, I think
Like people going to look at it and be like, what the fuck was that? It's going to be interesting. Oh for sure Ryan, many ways in many ways and the fact that everybody just sort of complied and that Pedro went doing why I'm of the government by you know telling other people what to do.
The conflicting information that people were getting every day do this do that,
don't do this knowing now because of the Twitter files and all because the government was involved in that I'll sure
well I mean, I think most people had assumed that all the most people do
Well, a lot of people did, I think, suspicious, people did most, I know a lot of suspicious
people. Yeah, I mean I think most people were
kind of like, this is a big mess. Yeah. And the because, you know, I mean, it was a big mess and I think like, a lot of this will shake out
years later, it will shake out years later.
Think the things tend to
shake out when everyone's like dead. Yeah, things shake out years later. I mean, we still the Kenny
You know, Biden still wouldn't release some of the Kennedy files, right? It's
like it's still going. These things still go on. People go like we're holding back a few. There's just a few. It's a just-released to one page where you admit you
killed them when you're a big on conspiracy theories.
You know, I know you're not well I'm a little bit, sometimes I get
back, I go back and forth little back of the. This one is a big one. The Kennedy wanted. Yeah and you just see Tucker Carlson we had that the program. We said he talked to this guy who was a
The files and the CIA killed Kennedy.
Yeah. We that means
that cycle are involved
three year olds, not
that. But the fact that he said it on Fox News, it's wild the fact that he said it without any worry about
repercussion. Yeah. I think everyone knows. It's one of those things now where everybody kind of knows there was fuckery, everybody knows there was really
something wrong. Not everybody? Michael Shermer is convinced Lee Harvey Oswald
acted but that's his beat. Yeah. Schirmer's beat is going like this isn't a conspiracy. So the same way, you can't trust a guy who
Who's beat is, everything's a conspiracy, right? You can't trust someone who goes nothing's a conspiracy right to say that there are, no conspiracies is
patently, but he doesn't do that. He says, there are conspiracies, understood. He's just reluctant to give into ones that he is supported in the past as not being conspiracy. Yeah,
because it's a huge credibility issue.
Well, it's also like then it calls into question all of your other assertions. Yes. Yeah, of
course. And I was, I've heard you talk to him and I've heard him talk and I know that he's a
smart guy and he's done his research.
Search. But like, he's just come to conclusions. I think that are unreasonable. Well, the time
everyone just about one. The Magic Bullet one was the big one for
me. What does a guy like that? Say about Epstein. Does he just look at everything and go fuck. You got said he killed him. Some good question, right.
Did we discuss Epstein with him? I don't know. I don't know if we did discussed it so many
times. I mean it's just like I feel like, you know, that with the with the Kennedy won, the reason that it's, they haven't let it really see
bout and now it's obviously long
enough for it said, Bessie doubt it.
Is that it's kind of the mother of all conspiracies.
All of them, descend from
Kennedy and the meaning, meaning that, if you can have a coup in a country like America, where
you have an element of the government or whatever it is, Kill the President, right? And
install
the vice president. Essentially
we don't have a free country, we don't have a democracy, then all of that shit is fake. It's all bullshit, it all sounds nice. But if that is out and widely believed
You could wave the flag, you can have people call and sing the national anthem before the games. But if that gets out, people really understand and they also go where all those motherfuckers now, what are they doing
now? Most of them are probably
dead. Well, yeah, but what
about till they are there
not other people that are still working over there? Like, are they, are, they got more honest in the past 50 years, right? Everything arrives, everything evolves. So, they might not be whacking people out in the open, but what are they doing? How are they connected?
Trolling people. What are you not allowed to ask questions? No, that's where the Kennedy one for me is always been like that's the mother of all of them. They can't let that one slip. And when it slips, however, it'll be something like Rogue, it was a rogue element of the guy and we don't, you know, we have no idea. And but yes, when they
came up with the term conspiracy theory, that's right conspiracy, theorists. That's right. And they use it.
Disparaging term. Yeah, that's what the origin of it that was
planted. I mean, if people looked at our system of government, they would not come to the same conclusions that we are taught. It is in
school, we were taught. It
is a representative democracy, a republic, right? You know, we're to obviously it's not a direct democracy was representative that you will act people,
they go in, they debate that it ended up. And if you did a study of our system of government, by the way, like Princeton University did a while ago, they concluded was an oligarchy. I mean, they just did an independent study and
Looked at what was going on. You would of course go. Oh this isn't the full
story, you
know. And and I think stuff like Kennedy really exposes all of that that you know, there are people that operate in the shadows and they get they get what they want, a lot of them, get what they
want and the fact that the Epstein thing is just sort of
ducks hilarious and root 8 by the way and Route, a directing again Drew Tate. I'm not saying you know but think of the political ramifications
Occasion to the Epstein story. What's a bigger story and root 8 human trafficking in Romania? I'm sorry Romania. But that's Tuesday and you can get hookers in the cabs in Romania. It's just it is what it is. Like the cab driver will say to you would you like I mean it's true. This is all a fact now and Route 8. I don't know what he was doing. He nothing's been proven but he's been charged with this, but the absolute thing was all proven. You have genuine victims, coming forward,
Saying these things, nobody's been arrested in conjunction with
it. And, you know, the fact that he was whacked in the cameras were off and those fucking people that were the security guards that day. Yeah. They have to be shitting their
pants. Well, they probably got taken care
of you think. So, US Virgin Islands district attorney fired days after suing, JPMorgan Chase over Jeffrey Epstein ties. By the way, do you know that Biden flu
To the Virgin Islands for vacation, and then the woman was fired shortly,
after In fairness abide woman, Right? In fairness to bite in. He did not know where he was
flying. He had, you know, like people that were with him, did ya? I mean,
interesting. I wonder why he would go there but it's not, it's pretty there.
It's beautiful. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty good, but it's not, I mean, he's just so old, he doesn't know. They just put him in. How much do you think he's aware? And how much do you think? He just falls apart on camera? I think
he's aware to a
degree of what's going on.
Just think he was select a mean. Again, Bernie was
sandbag. They were like we're not gonna have him in. Right. So who's the guy and it's like Biden's been the guy Biden's, the guy that, you know, they just want somebody they know.
Right. What do you think happens in 2024
DeSantis? And he'll be fine. He'll be the guy wins. Yeah. And he'll just drum. Yeah. Really? Yeah I think now Trump's the weakest he's ever been really? Yeah. Politically Trump's very good. He's very good in the primaries do so.
I mean that would be interesting to watch, but I just I just feel like people are, it's not going to have the same effect when a comic goes out. And you see for the first time, it's amazing. If it's the same stuff, the Third special you go okay? Like right? I think it is he's its wearing thin his appeal I think DeSantis is who the party wants. Well the Santa's going to get
the reasonable Republicans. Look at the reasonable Republican. He's not going to get the cue in on
people though. Yeah, yeah. But he won't get down but they're not a huge Force.
And I'm at one time at one and yet in Aspen. Yeah, this following lady, this lady came up to. She sounds fine. She grabbed me in the line, and she was with her daughter. She
says, I love you this older lady. She
was, I love you. You or out there speaking the truth. She's saying all these things like your oh, thank you. Thank I'm trying. Nice. Then she goes and Donald Trump
is our real president?
Yeah, I go. He's definitely not. You can Google that. Oh my God, they got to you. That's right. Oh they got it to me.
Me. Yeah. It was really funny but she's her daughters. Were let her daughters were super reasonable. Yes. And they were younger and older home. Mom's kind of
crazy. What's fights like the shankill Ashok, which is a great job. He's like, you want to Fox News dad? You don't want an MSNBC but it feels a Fox News, Mom. It's a bad mom. Like it's a cute, you know, what a shame. It's a great job and it's the same thing that I say a lot about. Like it's just the Boomers have gotten to a
point. Now where they are,
this is politics has become a sport for Boomers.
Are they? Are you see, MSNBC or Fox News? It's
right or left, right? And a lot of them are sitting there and they're sitting in their chair and they've got a heating blanket on, they got pills everywhere, they're drinking wine. Their brain has been melted and they're
just trying to they've got a few years left, not all of them. Some of them will live, but, you know, they're at the end, a lot of them and they're in their 70s, or wherever they are. Some of the, you know, my parents age, their 70s and their
Basically like, you know, trying to have a little fun on the way out. And that's what I look at Q and not. As it's actually, it's just fun. We should stop saying it's a threat. We should stop treating it. Like, it's a thing. It's just fun. People want to have fun and it is fun to believe that Donald Trump still the president and he's going to lead a secret army of whatever Christian people through tunnels to kill everybody out, like it's just fun. They're just want to have some fun. That's
He would it is I
think that's what I saw from the queue and on
documentary. Yeah. They're just having
fun to this storm. It's like they were just obsessed with the idea that they were a part of something I just wanted to learn aware of, and this is like, getting their life going
down. There's nothing to do anymore is like a religion, in a lot of ways, it gave their life meaning. Yeah, because there's not much to do, you know, there was a great book called bowling Alone, written
about like how American social institutions have fallen apart things like the Knights of Columbus or whatever,
like social clubs are people, who should be a part of small communities where like people would be vested
Moved in their Community. They, you don't do that anymore. So the social fabric has been torn apart and people need to be a part of something. So what if it's the queue and on give them the fake Capital to storm, you know, like they just want to be a part of something. It's just what they want to be a part
of and that's a problem with the charismatic leader like Trump. That's right. So long and he tells them you're a part of
this. We're together until they start storming the capital, but it's cute. If you watch a queuing on rally, it's kind of cute. It's fun, it's folksy. It
Civil War, reenactment, they're all knots 20 board. What's Wild is, how many people were
infiltrated? Yeah. How many of those groups were infiltrated by into the FBI?
Yeah. Yeah, because they're bored. Well, that's the Whitmer case. Yeah, the FBI wants to come in. And how many of her 12 out of 14? We're FBI
agent two guys that weren't are doing big time. Yeah, they're doing Long's long stretch. This is one of them was talking about it. And one of the things that he was talking about was like, I never,
Never planned on doing anything they coerced me and to all of this, they planned everything. And this is what they do. Not my idea, the ball is all fantasy, the Boston, Bomber,
Boston. Bombers was weird too.
Something weird about
that yet bi goes yeah, we don't know who they are and then Russian intelligence goes, we told you who they were Samantha. Fuller. Whose father G, Fuller was a huge
CIA guy. Whose architect their midis policy.
She married this guy ruse Lee's aren't Tsarnaev. His nephews are the guys who did the bombing. That's all.
That a CIA family, this woman married Bruce Lee's and I of his nephews who are traveling back and forth to Dagestan and the FBI had no idea who they were Chuck Grassley. This is Senator writes, a letter to the FBI gone. Why were you doing surveillance the night that Shawn? Collier, the MIT police officer was killed in the neighborhood of the tsarnaevs. Did you know about them? Did you had you any relationship with them? It's odd. And then,
The FBI wrote back. We were in that we were in and
around MIT because that was an MIT police officer was killed the day after, or the night of the bombing where they supposedly killed, you know, the police officer, and then we're trying to get away and they robbed a 7-Eleven, they did all this stuff truck. Rest.
He's like, why are you guys in that area? And they were like we were around MIT for a nun for a separate reason. The FBI was there for a separate reason. This is also a thing with a killed one of the friends, like one of their they had a routine interview at the guy's house. It didn't make him. Come in an FBI office.
And one of their friends, this guy ended up that for FBI agents in the room. Interviewing this guy supposedly he went to go grab something and kill them and then he ended up shot dead. So really yeah, the FBI is like dirt, it's weird, the FBI, the entrapment and the stuff they get into is weird. It's odd entrapment. Think it's strange. It's strange
talked before about the story about the 19 year old guy. I think it was in Dallas who they talked him into using a bomb, and
Activating this bomb the, you know, it's like yeah some fundamentalist sign. They talked him into doing this but it was a fake bomb, right? They gave him and then when he went to activate this fake bomb then they swooped in and took him. Yeah. They gave him the bomb. They told them to do it. They yeah. And he was young and gullible and
it's crazy what they do. This is kind of what they do. This is just the way they operate and they don't want the way they operate to become public.
All these things that
happen. But you got to think that also by doing that, you can infiltrate legitimately dangerous organizations and yes and stop legitimately dangerous things. I think that's some of what they do. That's probably the or imminent.
Sure. The origins of it, some of it are is I think good. I think the problem you run into with that, is it so murky and it's such a fine line. When you deal with mentally unhealthy people, when you compromise somebody or your you give you recruit, somebody is in it for me, it's
Swaying on them, they're crazy. They don't know what's going on. They're very anxious to like, you know, I think they promised this guy supposedly. They
might have this guy tamerlan Tsarnaev or whatever like might have been
promised citizenship, or they might, they hang, they dangle carrots with people or make you sit will do this will do that will give you money will do that. And some of this, what's the big
conspiracy theory about the Boston
bombings? That did you think the FBI again? They would you these are just guys that they were, you know, probably trying to set up and then the fucking bomb went off.
Meaning that again, it was just a similar thing where it's like the FBI had either recruited them or in the process of trying to recruit them and then, you know, so if you if you come clean with that the American public goes, what the fuck are you
doing right? But what yeah the the conspiracy theory is it that the FBI's covering
up that they had prior relationships with the tsarnaevs that they knew them. That there was any pre-existing relationship with them
at all, but there's not that they instigated
this.
Well, what is instigated right? That's a big question, right? And, you know, did they did they give them the bomb? We don't know, right? But they, I don't, you know, but there are instances where they do give people stuff, right? Or they do allow people to purchase weapons and they did, you know, like, did they instigate the Whitmer kidnapping supposedly? They probably did. They're putting this idea. They acted. There's 12 Days 12
guys out of 14,
guys. So when you, when you talk about the tsarnaevs is just
Weird that, you know, number one, it's not a lot known about the trial, the tray, put special administrative measures on the trial, which means that, like nobody can really speak out about what happened. It's all very tightly controlled and they said it's National Security, but then you're like, but you told us, they weren't related to any terrorist ya Thang. So why? If they're not related to any overseas terrorist cell and they act alone? What the hell is National Security? So, again, you're just supposed to go like this, I got them.
They got him. They got him. You know what's that? Like they treated Megan Markle horribly. Like that's people like my Aunt, they just go, they go stop with that. Go to Markel now, markel's big day, a racist, a mega Michael. It's like, it's just an endless circus of nonsense. You're never supposed to get in the weeds with anything. And if you do your mental, look, insane. Because some of the people in the weeds are insane. Some of the people that will have the conversation, I'm having right now are crazy. Most most
Just so that's becomes a problem. Yeah. Lies become people who are fucking nuts and they're like, Chrissy Teigen has a tunnel under the okay. She doesn't, she does, she's selling fucking cookware. So, you know, you start looking into things too. When you start looking in a serial killers,
It's crazy. Like when you start looking at son is Sam and David Byrne and this idea that there might have been more people doing that shit. Like, there's been books written about the fact that David Berkowitz like maybe didn't do all of those murders, but he was the guy that went down, did you send me
the article about the never caught the guy who built the bomb?
I send you? Yes, I send you a lot of that stuff,
but didn't you send me like, yes, I said an article
today where it was a guy from the Boston Marathon bombing where that, you know, he had gotten in some altercation with his parents and
They can't ran in his
house and I don't know if switch, which is the clam town or, you know, all these bitches
and they found like a pressure cooker bomb and it was like the type of bomb that would have been using the marathon and they also prove that he knew tamerlan Tsarnaev like they had a, you know, connection. So it was like a Willie were like, is this the guy that built the bomb? So who knows Michele McPhee
who's a journalist in Boston? Wrote the book, I think was called maximum harm about the Boston Marathon. She did a lot of great.
Eight work on it and she wrote a book basically. Hannah ripping the official story apart going. Like
the feds are clearly covering up something here.
Yeah, I was interested and she's a fun journalist. I think she punched a cop or something. She did kind of Delian punched a cop at some good. Boston. Good you know some good I trust people I trust you if you've done something like that really laughs you gotten drunk and like punched a cop. It's like oh okay I get it. You know what I mean? It's like I try of one more inclined to
to trust you in that scenario, you know. But
that's the thing. It's like you just kind of enjoy life because
Is, you know, you never get a few. Never got to figure it out, you don't got to figure it out, and let me figure it out, you'll never know, nobody's gonna, you'll never
know what really went down. No, you know, and that's part of the purpose, that's part of the
purpose because there's so much noise and there's so much craziness of people get mad at me and they're like, no, you your cynical and you tell people not to care. It's like, I'm not telling people not to care. I'm just telling people, like just a lot. A certain amount of time to caring.
It's a good diet. Don't consume too much. Most
people aren't good at that though, it's like that with diets
q and on. Here's the thing with diet it's like you're supposed to take a little bit of conspiracy every now and then q and W. Denny's q and on just banana salted caramel panca like fools who doesn't even make sense. Yeah q and on is everyday fast food. I tried to get before we go. I wanted I wanted to get you a Comanche gift for Christmas and it's very difficult.
But just the idea that I wanted to do it, I think you should register is really nice, appreciate it. I called the Comanche Museum in Oklahoma and they had like we, they're like, we have like towels and shirts. I'm like, no, that's
not what I want. I wanted like an artifact
and you cannot buy
them now. They don't want you to have them. I know that if you dig up Arrow, he'll kill me. They believe that it belongs to whatever
Nation. Other thing I was reading about. Do I want a curse myself to give you something, but so I wanted to
Cat. It's a Comanche thing. That's why I texted you. I'm like, boom natural detection by the command you. Yeah, it was. It's impossible to get anything so but anyway, I'd be but I really wanted to thanks for the thought. It was a great thought and it would have been great if happened. Have you ever read into them? I want to read more about. You said they were like a nomadic, it was the wild.
Yeah, it's right here. Empire of the summer. Moon is probably the best book on it. Interesting. It's really good. Are they your favorites? Well, they're the most fascinating to me because
They were the reason why people couldn't get across the Plains and into the web warriors. They were the yeah, well they they would set people up. I given them homesteads. Like, hey, yeah, you would you like all these acres in Oklahoma go there and they'd go there. They get slaughtered and then that would be a reason why they would bring in the Army and
then with a the toughest time.
Well, what they were with the tribe that mastered horse like horse raising so they are they, there were Horsemen. They knew how to ride.
Horses. The new to raise horses, they had an abundance of horses and they would ride on them and shoot arrows while they were riding, they mastered equestrianism amazing. Yeah. So they would like hang onto the horse sideways. And shoot from under the horse's neck as they were riding. So they've, yeah. And shoot arrows while they were protected by the body of the horse. The
are you f? Do you think the Avatar stop? There's any obviously, Native. Americans are kind of pissed about it, but not all. I just say.
Ain't you that
Arnold, which is but that's just everything, right? No matter what the fucking movie is, if it's Maverick Tom Cruise's movie or right, there's always going to be someone in that subset about it. Yeah this is this is an outrage culture. Outrage is
I think it portrays advertising everything. If it's based on the native our gate portrays them as like like really good people
other than most noble. I'm here the most Noble in Avatar or the the the navi are the most noble. They're the most
noble. You know, it's interesting to someone pointed
out
All the pin every movie you have diversity but in Avatar all the humans are white because all these humans are evil. Yeah, I think
the navi are interesting people. I think I'm saying, yeah, of course, the navi of the most noble. But I think they're also short-sighted because I think the sky people are giving them really good opportunities and Pathways to money and
profit and I think the knob you're like, hey we're
just going to be the forest forever, it's like, you're not,
let's get real.
Like they're ignoring tourism. They're ignoring a lot of things I believe in progress.
I believe in front. No, I literally do and I don't think you can just like, oh, I'm blue and I think eventually. It's like enough
people. They, when in 2009, when people went to see Avatar, they got Avatar depression because the way those people lived was so resonated with them like the way they want to be, they want to be single
parents, go to BrasÃlia Brazil and get bit by a bug decides for bird. It's all shit, nature, shed and the planets in another reality. The planets about you only
Good really is casinos and like inside things. That's why people like to buy all you build everything inside. Yeah, it's like this nature shit. It's the people like fetishize it. Go out. And for a day, you shot your skin cancer. It's over. Do you have anything to promote? I mean, how hilarious is is to ask you to have anything to do it. You want to tell you anything to
promote? You know, I don't promote anything. I don't know. I've never been promoted my show.
I doubt it's done. Well, yeah, Tyndall comedy dot-coms. You
To get live tickets to the Show's house. Torrington, it's been fun. I mean, we're doing, we're in clubs now to build material. Yeah. And then, we'll probably start some theaters in the fall
semester. We're like you're a different person. Well, I have multiple
personalities. Now, it's me. But I just, I was talking the Royal way, it seems in Paris, you know what I mean? Yeah, but, yeah, it's been fun. We did Irvine, Improv on New Year's. They were fun. They work. It was great.
And you like doing New Year's,
you know, every year I go, I'm not going to do it.
Your I do it. That's where I'm going. I just like to work because like every I don't want to do it, but then like, yeah, you got an offer and they go. They want you to do, and I'm like, I could entertain people over New Year's Eve. I'm Lettin, you know, somebody said to me once he said, whether it's New Years Eve or New Year's Day, do something you want to do for the year. I
was interesting. They were like,
do something that whether if you're, if you're jogging, if you're this, you're that do something start the year. The way you want to finish the year.
So I love doing
stand-up. So I start, I'm a
Maybe you start the year doing it, you know the way I don't know. Well, why don't you
work? It just seems like too much of an amateur hour like it is an abscess. Everybody just wants to cheer it. When's the countdown. Yeah. How many people are angry at Don Lemon because he missed the
countdown. So have you ever done the energy pad that I've done it multiple times? Yeah. Yeah, many many times
I've done. I still knew your shows every
year so now you just take it off the spend it with your family. Yeah, sighing. Soft was fun. It's a little
I enjoyed it. You're not worried about money. I'm kidding.
I don't, ya that it's the same kind of show. I think it's a fun show and I think that people like their noisemakers kind of control that those little horns, they get to blow, we brought a
woman on stage at the end to just help us do the countdown. Well, the thing about l.a. is we did a count on at 8:30, it was totally fake. There were two shows. The early. Can't that something like, this doesn't even correspond with New York. It's a completely fake count out and everyone's in the mall. It's just, why did you do it?
Countdown because they make you, oh, I've done. Hey Shaunie forward. Didn't do a countdown. They paying you money. I said buy a jacket or have to do the countdown is like, yeah.
So that was in the contract, then you have to do. The count is in the heart of the thing. You have to say, I'm not doing a countdown Interest, really show in Teresa, do early, show, it just like that can count on fake
countdown. I think the audience kind of enjoyed the counter. I don't think so. I mean, you know, they like it. They
love it. They're like making noise on cue. Yeah. It's they're
like, yeah, it's new. Its a
You know, it's a fun thing to do. And I next year, I'll go on like this year. I want I'm not doing an extra, I guarantee. I'll do it next year.
People love being sort of like corralled like that. Like, yeah, ready
go? I make it like you're not do a
talk show taping. Oh God, yeah, we'll just kind of same
thing like everybody applauded. Yeah, let's
go. Applause signs are. Why now, it's crazy. That whole thing is while it's such orchestrated enjoyment of a show, that's right. Like when you see the person who's the producer,
Waving at the crowd doing. If you go to one of these things, people don't know. There's signs that flash that's say
Applause, right? Which is fucking crazy. And that is a person who's like doing this, doing in the crowd. Getting out of genocide is
so when you see everybody cheering along,
it's not organic, is people don't know who I have two. People are any more like, when you go to see a taping of Fallon, you have no idea who these people are. Somebody comes out and it's like, give it up and you're like, okay, they're like, you
know, do they?
Have a say at all. And who goes on those shows? You think the audience's? Yeah. Like, Seth Meyers. Does he have a say,
interesting? I don't know. That's a whole area of Comedy. I know very little about. Like I don't know how the guest selection process. Could
you imagine though doing your show? If somebody chose your guests? Yeah,
that to me sounds like hell, it would be crazy.
What? Sounds like a totally different thing. It's not that you wouldn't get great guest. You probably get a lot of really interesting conversations but not being able to like it's one of the beautiful things about podcast. You get to pick who you're talking to.
Yeah.
well it's like they wanted me for hot ones once and then they go we got someone else and I was like oh
Like date because I was like, very down the list. Like everyone else had canceled, they couldn't get me one and then they go. Will you do hot ones ago? Yeah. And then it we got someone else and I'm like
I was this how long ago was
this? Probably like I don't know like a year ago or something what it was, just one of those things where you realize like you're like okay I got it because you'll get a you know you get somebody for. Why do I do this? Probably
you don't feel upset that they canceled on
you. I was little it was a little fucked up but I'll still do it. I'll still do it. And if it moves some tickets if it gets people to come
see me or whatever? Probably will you
You have
a great hot one? Yes it was weird to me that they would just dip out, they might have
Googled me telling they're like wait
what like what are we nuts? Like and I get it, they want like, you know, listen I'm you know I just did an acting thing and I kind of
did good
in it. I had three lines and during it the director said to
me because I'm kind of at my wit's end with you, I don't know why you're doing the wrong thing. I was moving a book, I had to pass someone a buck and the
thing with acting is everything has to be the same Todd different like ever
He's got to be the same every time, right?
And I wasn't doing it the same way. He's
like you doing. You're passing the book like differently. I think. I don't know what's wrong
with you and I'm a no. I'm sorry, because I would get nervous, right? So, he goes, you're putting the pen on the book differently. He's like, sometimes your hand is over, the book, he goes. Sometimes you take two fingers and push it like that. He goes. What is he? You
know, what's wrong with you?
So
I think by the end, we did about 17 tags and by the end I think it was good. I
had indeed decided never
act again well by the end he was like you did a really
Job. And I was like, thank you so much and I had to leave
him. I haven't been back to set sense. Yeah. Now no. But I think I did good. It's fine. You know. I think I did well. Okay, it's acting stuff. I thought I did great. I think I did great and but he was very young. He was seemed upset. I can't wait to watch it now. Yeah, that's all I'm gonna think about it, it out. But I think I did really well and I think during it he just did. Director, seems very upset and the other actor seemed a little mad but they were nice, that's good. They were really nice but
But so, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. CIA was like that. Might open up some more doors. I go. Well, I don't know.
Open up some more doors.
Do you want to do that, though? Like what you want to be on a set for 16 hours a day for five months? Nobody eat five months and nobody. If they said, like two weeks, two weeks, two weeks. Yeah. And I come in and I just get to be funny. I don't, I shouldn't carry this unless like it's all about me and I'm involved
in the create and you know,
but like if they bring me into a thing with
You can kind of be like, you be funny, but that wasn't this. This was like a different, but like if I was like, yeah. But you know, yeah, I wouldn't want to do it for five months but like, you know, a couple of months, like, if, you know, it would depend on, you know, if it was something where I felt like, I feel good at podcasting, I feel good at staying up. So I really worked at those things. I feel like I could be funny but you know what have to be a real specific
thing? Well, the acting thing is it's very specific in
That you know, you're brought in for a very, very specific goal. Yes. You're supposed to move this aspect of the plot, you're supposed to be this guy that does this thing. I think some people enjoy that kind of work where you can kind of like lock into this character and then you see how it affects the graph and see how it affects the movie and you get excited
about. Yeah I mean and I I I could be excited about that. I feel
like you're too free though. The
Like the directors are less excited
about. You've gotten to this point where you can be so free and then you've developed an audience. That's a promise free. And then that's a problem. Yeah. Well, I don't
think the good news is, I don't think anyone's really go out like, I'm not going to be a marquee actor, like if I ever did a movie on, wanted to be a cult classic on woke
up looking first. Funny Bert
Kreischer. The machine is just like, yeah.
He released the trailer on the podcast. I did one. Yeah. And but that's
him.
Be released. I tried. I could do, because it's like his story. Yeah, that's what I'm talking
about. You as a corrupt mortgage
guy. Yeah. Something like that. Something like that. Yeah, that you could do that. I could
do like, you could do your story that I could do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sewing subprime,
mortgage would have to be that it couldn't be. I'm not going to come into like a
role, but it would have to be like far enough from 2008 where people aren't mad at you anymore,
right? Well, I think yeah, I mean, I don't know, I think I've done a great job of rehabilitating the image of subprime mortgage salespeople.
That's one of the things I believe I've done. I think I've kind of because they the borrower's it were criminals to through also but they did they know they were criminals or they would give it an opportunity. Everybody wants money. If you look at the word victim throughout history, You've Done. Big history guy, imagine explaining to someone in history, you were victim and then they going, what were your victim of the ago? Somebody gave me seven hundred grand. You know what?
You RV has a horrible victim of this predatory scam. What was the scam? Somebody give me 700 Grand. I didn't have a job.
You were a victim. No, everybody played the game. And then, you know, it's musical, chairs chairs, one out. I lost a house. My house is foreclosed on. I bought a house was 22. I had no money about a six hundred thousand dollar house in Long Island. You really, it's sold five years later for 250,000 without a good investment. I would never sell someone. Something I wouldn't sell myself. I was a cocaine at it that I wanted a house.
I love houses. I hate. I don't like homes and homes are weird. What do you mean people that have families and like love in the home? I prefer just a nice house to destroy lie. Yeah I'm going to have a have an investment course called many houses, no homes.
How to own an abused real estate? Yeah. No, I mean, yeah. And then I lost a house, too. And I bounced back, I moved into some dump and I did stand-up
for Euler's. You're lucky,
you're funny and the best years of my life were spent doing stand-up, you know what, eating pizza in New York and then, you know, then I get I came, I did your show and things were, okay, so it's gonna be fun.
Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Of course.
