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Very nice to meet ya, nice to meet you too. What is it like running for vice president of the United crazy? Is this
experience? It's pretty weird. It's pretty weird. You know I was just telling you were this earlier but the first time that I've been in a public spot without Secret Service in the room is right now, I'm like looking around for these guys. How was it? Having them, it's three months, right? So he asked me, the Monday of the RNC convention which I think was June 15th. And
I really didn't know that morning. I thought that he was probably going to pick me but I didn't know for sure, probably 60/40, basically, and so I had no idea. I get the call around, 1 o'clock at Milwaukee time at the RNC convention. I'm hanging out with my kid. Another one of my kids is in the other room asleep because you know, our kids are young. So they now have still and he makes this coal and he's like hey do you want to be my vice president? I was like literally just like that. Well actually what happened is I get a text message from a staff member on.
Team that says you just missed a very important phone call and I don't know you know, because there's so much inbound traffic that. I think it just went straight to voicemail so I call them back and I'm like a sir, whats going on? He said, JD you just missed a very important phone call. I'm going to have to pick somebody else,
you know, some about to
shoot a break here. And then he says, no, no, I'm just kidding. Obviously, want you to be my vice president. And the funny thing is, you know, my seven-year-old is in the background and he has no idea what's going on. I love that, right?
It's one of the good things about the Z. Has no clue what's going on. He's like, Dad who you're talking to. He's talking about Pokemon cards, right? And I, you know, Trump here's my son of the background and he says, well who's that? And I said that's my seven-year-old son, un. He's like put him on the phone
and I'm just
thinks this for him to get this statement because in my mind is not final until the statement is actually out. And he talks to my son and he reads the statement that he is going to put
On Truth social announcing that I'm the VP nominee of the Republican party and he's like what do you think about that? Yuan and my son. He was like. Oh that's that's pretty good. That's pretty
good. He's like I have no idea what the hell's going on and it's totally. Yeah, he has
no idea and and of course, I remember this story because it particular and the Madison Square Garden rally of a few days ago, was the first time that my son actually met Donald Trump. So he'd spoken to him on the phone but hadn't actually met him until the
Lead MSG and my seven-year-old, really wanted to tell him a joke and he remembers this phone conversation and so he tells them this joke and Trump kind of Chuckles but also is probably judging me because it was a somewhat inappropriate joke for a seven-year-old to tell,
but we are well, that's the only ones that seven-year-olds. Remember, what's like, you know, I have a
terrible language and it's one of my many flaws, but I was raised by my very working-class grandmother and she was actually very interesting lie. She was
Very devout Christian, but she also had, you know, a language that would make a sailor blush. And so I talk like that because I was raised by this woman, don't have fun. Ladies as a fun ladies, and she was a great to see that. She was awesome. She had an amazing. She's an amazing person, a huge personality, right? We called her a force of nature because she was such this big personality, but my wife's rule is, you know, basically, he's only allowed to cuss when he's telling this one joke.
So that's hilarious. The told this joke to Dollar drop,
He says
it 14 times a
day. Yeah, I early on, I told my kids, you can swear in front of us. I go, but don't just don't swear in front of other parents, right? I don't swear for no
reason, right? Because they judge you, right? The other parents judge you, how old are your
kids? Well, the, the youngest ones are 14 and 16 and I have a 28 year old. When my 14 year old was to, we were on a skiing trip and we're about to leave. We packed up all our stuff, but her helmet, we forgot to put her helmet. Way, I go, oh, we forgot to put the helmet away and she just
Looks out the helmet. She goes shit. Life is just like, oh my God. That's so funny. This is something horrible about a two-year-old. It doesn't know that you're not supposed to say shit. No, just absolutely beautiful face.
Well. I mean, my my, my four-year-old, he was 3 at the time we were going because, you know, we live in Cincinnati, but I'm a senator's. We spent a lot of time in Washington and I was taking my four-year-old solo. He was 3 at the time on this trip.
Rip and run it like a Delta flight. Where? In the back I'm kind of wondering because, you know, I've got bedhead and I'm thinking to myself. Do any of these people know that I'm a senator? Because I look like shit right now and my sort of get away with it. I don't think that anybody knows this is who I am and were sitting there. And my son drops one of those bisque off cookies in between the the seat. And he looks at me and he says Dad well
fuck like 12 people instantly turn
Around. And look at me. It's a goalless in advance. Your son has such colorful
language and I'm like, oh my God, I'm such a terrible. Father, these people are all
judging me. Yeah. Like but it's, you know, it but you're right. It's so cute and
adorable. Yeah, it's so funny. But yeah, I got to do a little bit better about that because they're going to start judging me, but need to relax.
Bad words. Every now and then good for you. I think it's good
for the. I got a little steamed out. I agree. Good
did. Was there any part of you that was like, do I really want this job?
All this is because it comes with so much. It comes with not every the Secret Service in the room. It comes with this enormous change of your life. This is insane responsibility. You everybody's watched president, especially age radically. Oh yeah, dramatically. Yeah. And everyone would Trump crops crops is kind of amazing to just didn't age, it's so strange. It's like a barely affected. Everybody else is like, like, they're getting radiation sickness and he gets out. They look exactly.
Very my can't wait to do it again. Let's go. We gotta win big just like
it really is amazing. I mean, one of the first times that I sort of spent like a large amount of time with Trump was in 2021 and I was thinking about running for the Senate. So I was down tomorrow. Lago talking to him and my initial reaction on seeing him.
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you look healthier now than you did six years ago. Now first residents aged very, very badly, you know. Yeah, I mean, like, I definitely thought. Okay, obviously, this is a big it's a big thing, right? Am I talked about it with my wife a lot because she's like a, she was a working corporate litigator. She got a very big career. She's much smarter than I am and we definitely. It was a marital conversations.
Is a tough one because you know, even though, yeah, I'm a senator we're still pretty Anonymous, right? Like we can go on vacation or we were till this happen. We go on vacation. Yeah. You'd have people stop and ask take a photo or say something, you know, nice. But most most people if you want some more, didn't know who you were right now, it's literally impossible for us to go anywhere.
What's that shift? Feel like like you're 40 years old, right? So yeah. I mean like right? Like this just off a cliff complete different life.
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Right, I mean it's it's it's been any look in some ways it's really nice because people come up and say really nice things to you. They tell you that your, they're praying for your kids, they're praying for your family but it's also a you know that doesn't like if you go
to the tree and of course yeah
the universal New York sign for we're number one, right? So you know, they like us even
but it's it's
definitely weird to just
Not be anonymous at all anymore. Right. And that's taken some getting used to. I think part of it is also, let me just giving examples of Sunday morning. We want to go for. This is the, this is the event. Madison Square Garden with the morning, or I don't really have anything going on at a couple of phone calls. So we want to go for a walk with the kids and Central Park and normally you would walk out of your hotel and walk into Central Park and hang out with your family. Now it requires, we have to notify Secret Service and so then they have to scope out an area where they can make sure that it's going to be
properly safe. And so, instead of walking out our hotel room and taking a walk in Central Park, we hop in a car, and show up in some random part of Central Park, that's 20 blocks away. And then, of course, as soon as we get out, everybody's like, well, who the hell is this? Because there are 14 car motorcade. They're so the lack of anonymity is definitely an annoyance that comes along with it. But I mean, I'm kind of person where you just take the good with the bad. There are a lot of benefits to it. There are some downsides to it. It's what I asked for I try not to think too much about it or complaining too much about it.
Just try to accept it. I think obviously, if we win which, you know, six days from now, I think we are going to win. I think we'll have to sort of get into more of a routine with it. My attitude thus far has been well it's only for a few months so you can do anything for a few months.
Because the adjustment is it like, is it difficult? Was it pretty easy to just accept it? Like this is how life is now?
Well, it's you just you have to accept it but it's not easy, right? I mean in particular for our kids, right? Like, okay, I really like to drive and
Eighty-nine percent of the time before as in the car as a family, I'm driving my wife's in the passenger seat just cause I like to drive and I think for our kids getting used to. Oh, we're not going into our car. We're going into this black SUV and that is not driving
another person there. Yeah, I know, right.
Yeah, or you know, like, one of the first things that happened were back at our house in Cincinnati, the, the weekend, after the RNC convention and we're sitting there watching like some stupid show Emily in Paris on Netflix or something, which sorry, I don't
Call it a stupid show. Actually, think Emily in Paris is a masterpiece, but set that to the
side bracket that one for now. But we're watching some Show
on Netflix. And, you know, you just, you see one guy walk past your, your window. And you see another guy walk past your window, and it's just a secret service agent patrolling just little things like that. So you know, I'm it just you recognize that your zone of privacy is very narrow and that takes some adjusting and getting used to and you know, they're all of these small little adjustments but it by
And large honestly, like I love our secret service detail, our kids are really into them, they sort of see them as their police protectors are seven-year-old. It's funny, you know, he's in second grade and one of his buddies there, their parents came to us and said, do you know that the kids are playing this game in school called called boss? Man, we're basically one second grader, will walk down the hallway or child on the playground flanked by two separate, second
great. It's like, they're playing Secret Service Lansing.
The first school.
So like all the one hand that's really bizarre, and I hope that it doesn't permanently screw up the psychological development of my kid. On the other hand, it's kind of funny and you just go with the flow and you try to work with it.
Yeah. I guess they're just making fun with it. Yeah. Is like, did you have presidential aspirations before? All this does, is this something that you would consider it about the future? Was it like how did you approach this? Yeah I mean it's one of these.
Things
when you're elected to the Senate and, you know, I'm a pretty young guy that was on the second youngest United States. Senator right now you certainly think like is this something I might do in the future? What does this look like? What would you need to do in terms of getting your family and the right mental space and just make it happen but it's all very abstract, right? It's not all that different from you know 10 years ago thinking about starting a business that I never started, right? It's just things you think about but you never really think that hard about, right? And that's kind of that was kind of my attitude towards
I started to realize that Trump was thinking pretty seriously about making me his VP nominee. Probably earlier this year because he would ask me a lot about who I thought the VP nominee should be a boy and I did you know yeah
exactly and I give them and I give
them names of people that I thought would be pretty good at it. And a lot of the names that I gave him, he would he would criticize. And I almost felt like he was inviting me to throw myself out there, but it mean, it's funny
The morning that he was shot and Butler, PA was the first time that he and I ever talked about it. So it was a Saturday, just think thinking about, I guess it was probably June 13th because I think the convention started June 15th, I go down to more Lago that morning Saturday morning and I'm talking to him for the first time because immediate I would ask me. I was like one of the rumored shortlist candidates. I kept on getting these questions from reporters. Have you ever been, have you ever had this conversation with Trump? And the honest answer was no well, Saturday morning that change because I go down there and he's like what do you know?
What do you think? What why why should I choose you? Why should I not choose these other guys that we just had a conversation on
the running? You know, I don't really know actually I really don't. Come on man. Look II. Think
I think that there were a couple of senators that were being considered a couple of Governors, a couple of former cabinet secretaries but you don't really know because when Donald Trump sat me down and he talked about 10 different people that he was thinking about naming and this was two days before he made the selection.
So he's playing like a little like let's see how JD thinks game. Yeah, I
think
EXO and you know, he told me that the he was talking to the gardener at Mar-A-Lago about who the who the Vice Presidential nominee should be. And that's what I think Trump's sort of political genius, is he talks to everybody about everything and I was like, what are the God, would the gardener at Mar-A-Lago? Have to say about this conversation because this really directly impacts my life. And you know, he basically said, well I think I'm probably going to pick you, but I don't know, and I'm not ready to make a decision. And then
He looks at one of his staff members whose in the rooms, they actually wouldn't it really set the world. Ablaze, if we just made the decision today and so why don't you come up with me? And we'll just do the announcement and Butler Pennsylvania well and and I said, and of course, not knowing at the time, what was going to happen? I was like, absolutely. Let's get this over with because I'm sick of not knowing let's just get this thing over with. And then he's like, I know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to do it up there. We need to prepare for it better. So, look, I'm not saying it's going to be you, but I'm thinking very seriously about it. Have fun. We'll see after Butler.
PA and then of course, I go back to home to Ohio. Oh boy. He gets shot. You know, the initial reaction is, I actually thought they had killed him, because when you first see the video, he grabs his ear and then he goes down and I'm like, oh my God, they just killed them. And I was so I mean for I was so pissed, but I go into like fight or flight mode with my kids. I'm like, you know, our kids, you know, we were right up. We were to mini golf place in Cincinnati, Ohio. I grab my kids up, throw them in the car, go home and load all my guns and
Basically stand like a century, our front door and that was my that was sort of my reaction to it. Anyway, I really didn't know it was going to happen till Monday morning. I didn't know who else was being selected. I think it was all the names that people sort of see out there, right. All good guys like nobody. I have any any personal animosity towards. But obviously, you know, here we
are. How much did you study the story of the Assassin? The attempted assassin. How much have you paid attention to it? What?
Rooks or cooks, or whatever. The guys name is in Pennsylvania. I'm not. I've read a fair amount about it, and it's pretty bizarre very bizarre. It's bizarre. They have been able to get into his phone.
Well, they just, they got into his phone. Didn't I have a? I thought they've, I thought they said they did. It doesn't mean, you know, better than
me. Well, maybe they got into his phone, but they couldn't access is encrypted messages or something. I, I thought there was some deal where they haven't really gotten his communication yet. Yeah. Maybe haven't read it as closely as you have. So don't tell me that his gospel. You're
probably.
You have access to more information but maybe you can talk a lot. No, trust me. There's
nothing about this that I have access information. I can't talk about.
Well there was a lot of weird stuff to it. One of them is that his where he lived was professionally scrubbed. So they got there, there was no, so bad where it's no silverware. That's please
are scrubbed, right? Yeah.
There's nothing. There's no, yeah, no DNA. No hard drives, no nothing well in
it. How do you get that close? I mean, yeah. You know. Do you shoot guns? Yeah. Okay so
I'm a pretty good shot. I served in the Marine Corps for four years, an AR-15 from 140 yards away is
tip Hotshot. Even without a scope. He didn't have a scope,
right? I don't believe he had a scope but even with us go without a scope. Yeah, I shot an arrow shot him 16 many times in an AR-15 without a scope. There is no it is shocking that he's alive. It really really is. I mean I you know I'm a person of Faith but I think it's a genuine miracle that that guy didn't kill him. But how did he get so close?
A lot of really big questions. He was
walking around the area with a rangefinder before the
event and people were yelling and saying these
on the ruined. Yeah. On the roof. Yeah.
You know, there was that crazy I think it was a BBC reporter somebody with an English accent who did the report on the ground with the guy, you know, he's, he's a, got a Maga hat on and a Bud Light, he's probably on a Bud Light of, he's got some beer and he's talking to this guy who saw Crooks get on the roof.
Oh, and he's yelling at them. It's an amazing clip. He's yelling at him like, Hey, he's yelling at police officer. Saying, hey, this guy's on the roof, go and get them and nobody responded to it. And it's the whole thing is very fishy to me and I hope that we win and then get to the bottom of it because I think somebody clearly screwed up
not. It doesn't seem like just screwed up. Like the excuse that the lady from the Secret Service had that they couldn't put snipers on the roof because the roof was sloped. Like all of it is bananas.
So that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.
And the the miracle is Trump, turns his head at the last second. That's right. Very last second. He turns his head to look at the chart and the bullet just grazed his ear. That's right he's got a people keep. There's this stupid conspiracy out there. He's got a mark on his ear. I saw it has a market has here and people are wires in there holding it here because it's just the edge of the skin God yet. That's all it was. That's right. It's the luckiest of Lucky shots.
Ever for him, unfortunately, not for the people that are behind him. If there's a crisis people got shot and anybody who thinks that that was staged, you don't understand shooting, there's no way you can graze, someone's ear from 121/2, you can hit them Center Mass, it's crazy. You're not going to be able to graze her here. You can kill him easily accidentally. If you were faking something like, well, we've all
seen the graphics right of? Yeah, and turning his head and if he hadn't turned his head that it went right through his
brain and there was another one that went to the left.
Side of him, right? Barely that barely missed him. Yeah, that barely missed
him, and then instantly, that guy's dead, and then they take a hold of his body. He's cremated 10 days later.
There's no press conference, there's no toxicology report. No, and no one talks about it on the news,
right? And when there's a school shooter, we usually have the person's Manifesto out there. Yes, a day or two later. Yeah, we know nothing about the motive here, which I think is the craziest thing. You know, I'm, I've obviously he's motivated because he hates Donald Trump, but you don't know anything about the secondary motive, man, it is weird. It is
the only time we don't get a manifestos when they're trans when they're trans, they hide those medicines to us. And that
The
Nashville shooter and that was crazy.
I'm here ready of it? I've read some of it and pretty, why
it's pretty wild. And yeah, I mean they decide
that's bad for the cause
that's really decided and they decided to suppress it. But no, the Nashville shooter, I mean, just while we're on the topic went in and murdered a bunch of children at a Christian school because he, or she look, whatever was motivated by some very radical trans ideology, and that is something we should talk more about as a country.
100%, And
They didn't. What if it was any other ideology, that led someone to mass murder, you would examine that ideology very carefully or some sort of radical religion. People would be like, very concerned about that, radical religious. That's right. And it is, it's radical religion of exactly what it is. It's just a weird idea that you are so virtuous and so correct. You're allowed to commit violence against these other people. Because they are the oppressors, even though their
children, well, you know, these these signs that are in super woke neighborhoods. I'm sure there's plenty of them in Austin. Like in this house, we believe
Science is real. Yeah. Well you know what I'm talking about? Okay so I don't know your religious background but like I'm a convert to Catholicism like was raised Christian became an atheist came back to Christianity got baptized Catholic like five or six years ago and what is so interesting about this in this house we believe is it's so similar to the Creed that you declare every day at a Catholic mass, right? We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten son.
Of God and there's almost a similar Cadence between the the Christian Creed. Yeah. And what these these guys are doing with this hyper woke stuff and then there's the rallies and then there's of course the various rituals and it absolutely is a religious Faith. There was this really interesting post that was, you know, I forget exactly who wrote it, but the title was gay rights
as
What was it? It was
like gay rights as religious rights, but the second Rights was our ites and it was a guy who's like a pro-gay rights guy but sort of made the observation that when you get into the really radical trans stuff, you actually start to notice the similarities between a practiced religious faith and what these guys are doing. Yeah. And it's very annoying. I actually met earlier with a friend who lives in Austin, who's like,
Like you know kind of a gay Reagan Democrat and well, he's very very nice thing is is fascinating guys. One of the smartest political philosophers, I
think. How do you be a gay Reagan,
Democrat? You know, I don't know, it's just kind of how is he? I mean he's basically like now what you'd call a trump Republican but he's a political philosopher and he writes about economics, right? That's sort of how I got connected to him. I had no idea was gay when I first met him, but, you know, he came round. Never forget, he sent me something like
Six or so years ago. And it was Elizabeth Warren when she was running for president. And she was like, we stand for all non-binary to Spirit and all of the all of the like the lgbti plus, she was talking about all the plus and she's got a flying it and he sent me this this text message with this Elizabeth Warren tweet and he's like, I don't know what the hell to Spirit is we just wanted to be left the hell alone and I think that frankly I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump
That one, just the normal gay guy vote. Because again, they just wanted to be left the hell alone, and now you have all this crazy stuff on top of it that they're like, we're going. We didn't, we went, we didn't want to give pharmaceutical products. 29 year olds who are transitioning their genders. We just wanted to be left the hell
alone. Well, a lot of gay guys, feel like the whole movement is homophobic, which is ironic because they think there's they think that there's people think there's something wrong with being gay so what you really are is a girl, yes. And they think that a lot of this is being given this
Thoughts are being given to gay kids. These kids will just grow up to be gay men and instead you're getting them to
convert their gender, pharmaceutical conversion therapy,
right? And it's profitable, which is terrifying. It's terrifying, once corporations once pharmaceutical. Corporations have, they have a pattern and a history of profiting off of things. They want to keep profiting off it. They don't want to just stop. And so right now, this has become a profitable Venture that scaled, if you look back from like 2007 and
24, there's way more of these are quotes gender, affirming Care Centers. Yes. And they're
profitable. Well, in this used to be something that the old left, right? The criticism that was made of American Health Care, which, I always thought made some sense as a conservative guy is that when you have the profit motive, influencing government policy around Healthcare, then, yeah. Okay. Sometimes the profit motive can be a good thing. Like we're going to develop life-saving, cancer drugs, we want that to happen, right? A number on with people making a big profit for that but then sometimes they'll
The manipulate government policy to make their own drugs, more profitable. Not because it's good for health, but because these people just naturally, like, most people want to make some money. Yeah. And that conversation has totally disappeared. Like, I got into a big argument. And, you know, this person you can read about in The New York Times later. Disavowed, our friendship and leaked, our text messages to the New York Times, but the breaking point, was I came out against this gender transition for minors.
When I was running for the Senate, a few years ago, and she's a transgender individual and she kind of flipped out on me and I the thing that I never understood because she's like very much an old-school leftist is, are you not at all a little bit worried about how rich people are getting by prescribing experimental Therapeutics to nine ten twelve year. Old kids like this used to be something that the American left would have gone
crazy. Yeah out and
now the the only people who are raising concerns about it our
Of Republicans but we should be concerned when because it's not just like the lobbying and the influence. I mean there's something called the diagnostic statistical manual with sort of the manual psychiatric disorders and I think that we're on the DSM-5 as it's called which is the fifth edition of this manual. You have drug companies that are making money that are lobbying to have, you know, child dysphoria put into our psychiatric manuals because
Then psychiatrists will treat that condition and then those pharmaceutical companies will get rich from it. Somebody should be interrogating whether the political incentives of our country actually aligned with the financial incentives of the pharmaceutical industry because oftentimes the answer is going to be no. But nobody's asking that question,
well, we've always known that children are very easily influenced and that children shouldn't be allowed to make life-changing decisions when they're you're very young, that's why they can't get tattooed. Absolutely, we've always done that.
Then all of a sudden because of gender. That's a band. That's right. We've completely changed the way. We think that children. Do they just know I've had mind-numbing conversations with people who believe that and it all falls apart. If you just keep asking questions, it's just ask him to Define. How could, you know this? What about the development of the frontal lobe? What about this understanding that children have never been able to make life-changing decisions, correct? You don't allow them to drink alcohol. You don't allow them to get tattoos.
Ooh, they can't join the military when they're 10. I just wash it. You doing your little kid? We are you letting them just change their gender? There's what does this even mean? And then the New York Times thing that comes out where it shows that they had a whole study about these puberty blockers, that showed that they do not help the children's mental health and that they probably have a lot of horrific side effect lie and so they decided not to
publish that, right? She's which shows you the corruption of science is that we're actually not publishing studies that
Just the gender transition craziness, has reached the boiling boiling point. I mean, you know, you've had, you've kids. I have a four-year-old and a two-year-old, every single day, my four-year-old red two-year-old will come to me and say something that is batshit insane. Because therefore, and to yeah, like, my for your will come and say, Daddy, I'm a dinosaur, right? I'm going to take him to like the dinosaur transition clinic and scales on them.
And the other thing is looking crazy, urging them and some parents. It's just
I'm just going to say it even though it sounds gross, they want their kid to be a part of the lgbtq thing because it looks like a flag of virtue that they can post in the front long. Oh look, we have a queer child. Like oh, you're amazing. There's a weird thing about it with some of these nutty parents where you could imagine them incorrect. There has to be some reason why this enormous percentage of Hollywood kids are trans like how many celebrities have trans kids. It's new.
It's not a thing that was going on. Just a few, it was rare in right
past. It becomes a social signifier for a lot of parents and we have to be honest about that fact. And if you look at, you know, look at where the gender craziness is the most common, it's most common among upper-middle-class to lower middle class, white progressives. 100 now you could believe, okay? There's just like something genetic going on in the mind of a wealthy white Progressive or you could believe that this
Is a cultural Trend that we should be questioning a lot more than we are right now. And unfortunately I mean here's one thing that I really worry about is okay, think about the incentives. People are very good at rationalizing things. If you are a you know, middle class or upper middle class white parent and the only thing you care about is whether your child goes into Harvard or Yale, like obviously that pathway has become a lot harder.
For a lot of upper middle class kids. But the one way that those people can participate in the D EI bureaucracy in this country is to be trans.
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election. And is there a dynamic that's going on? Where if you become trans, that is the way to reject your white privilege, right? That's the social signifier. The only one that's available in the hyper woke mindset is if you become
Um, gender
non-binary night binaries, the best one. Because you don't even have to do it, you just say I'm not, I could say I'm non-binary and like, you don't have to do anything but all the sudden you're part of the group. Yeah. Well, that's right. And, and again, I think it's
important to sort of, you know, most people are not saying, oh, I'm white privileged. How do I become part of the privileged set, but it's these weird ways in which these ideas creep into the mine to the mainstream, right? And people were very good at rationalizing. These things and so what I think 20, 30 years ago
Among very well-to-do white progressives like an 11 year old says, I think. 11 year old boy says. I think that I'm a girl most of the time we would have said, oh, that's ridiculous and crazy and you know, hahaha and come back to me in a couple of days. Now, I think there's this massive incentive to try to say, oh my God, is that does that mean that my kid is trans? And I also think it's to your point very warping on the minds of young kids because what they're now doing is taking normal.
All adolescent curiosity and normal adolescent discomfort. Like, I don't know, a single person who went from the ages of 10 to 15 who didn't say oh like sometimes I had some you know, weird ideas or I dressed weird for a couple of years or something. Right. It's a confusing phrase for most Americans, we take that normal adolescent, confusion, confusion, and then we try to medicalize it and nobody's saying oh, when we do medicalize it, by the way, a lot of pharmaceutical companies get very rich off of
it, not only very rich but then the child
Sterilized. Yes, I mean this is for a lot of these kids they'll never be able to have children ever again. If they change their mind, if they one day decide, oh, I was just going through a confusing time in my life but now I've ruined my voice with hormones. My ovaries are destroyed. Yeah, I had my testicles removed, the whole thing is
crazy. So this is where I had the real Breaking Point with a friend that I mentioned earlier. Is she made this argument that puberty blockers are fully reversible.
Oh, that's crazy. And I'd actually never heard that. And this is a few years ago, I'd never heard that argument before. And so, I actually went and looked at it and looked at the data on this, the idea that if you give puberty delaying puberty blockers, whatever you want to call them to kids who are eleven, twelve, thirteen that that's fully reversible. That is completely and preposterously insane. Now, even the most radical Advocates of trans Health Care, do not say that, right? Because, look, I mean, you have sexual dysfunction, you have to your point, you know?
Air and weird places that won't go away. You have voice changes that won't go away. We are experimenting on tens of thousands of American children were making them miserable. It's not having any long-term health benefits making a lot of pharmaceutical companies rich and it's conservative Republicans, are the only one saying a maybe this is a little crazy maybe we should
stop. Well it just shows you how a lot of this you know what if you can call it a mine virus or whatever it is, it does make people behave or
Religiously. Yes. So it's like they're ignoring all these signs because it doesn't line up with this ideology. They subscribe to. That's right. Like you you have to support trans kids like okay. What are you even saying how is this a new thing? So pervasive, how is it everywhere? And how are you letting them compete with girls in school? This is the that one drives me bananas. When you have biological males, all they have to do is they don't even have.
Mermaids in some schools, you don't have to be taking hormones, you could just identify and you can compete as a
girl and of course, that causes injury to the young girls, of course. And it again, this gives me faith in the wisdom of the American people because if you see how radically the Democrats leaned into the stuff for years ago. Yeah, and how much, you know, Kamala Harris is running away from it today? Most Americans they don't really care who you sleep with their pretty open-minded, about most lifestyle choices. But
When you talk about having a biological male compete with their teenage, girl, right in competitive. Sports Americans are saying, no, no, this is crazy. You're causing injury to my kids, we have to stop this.
It, not only that, it like ruins chances of getting scholarships. If you were the number one player and then all the sudden, some guy comes along who wears lipstick now. He's the number one girl on the team. Like what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, there was a recent pool tournament in England. It's a woman's pool tournament and in the
Finals. Two guys are playing each other.
Yeah, well, it looks when you see them in the actual swimming pool competing, it looks like the biological males are running at one point five x speed and everybody else is running at normal speed,
right? This is just clearly
different. Yeah, and to your point about it, destroys opportunities for scholarships, I mean, go back to the original reason. Why we wanted girls Sports, why we have Title Nine in the United States of America to begin with like we recognized that competitive sports. Like what does it teach, right?
It teaches you how to participate on a team. It teaches you to recognize your own weaknesses and the strengths of your teammates and vice versa, right? Like, I'm the father of a two-year-old daughter. I want my daughter to learn these important life skills. I don't want her going into athletic competitions where I'm terrified. She's gonna get bludgeoned to death because we're allowing a six foot one male to compete with her in sports, where you should not have biological males competing with biological females.
Not only that, but they get to change with them in the locker rooms.
Where it gets like there was one in Canada, where a 50 year old man. Identified. As a teenage girl. He was a professor, you know, about this guy. I haven't heard about that. He was, he was changing. He was in a swim meet with teenage girls. Yeah. And he's changing in the same locker, rooms them and then it's Gracie. The problem with that is people, there's, there's a psychological condition called Auto gyne philia, and auto Ghana philia is where men are sexually aroused by the idea of dress.
Icing and behaving like a woman but they're heterosexual. Now, all of a sudden these people with this known psychiatric disorder are allowed to just identify as a woman and you're a bigot, if you don't let them change in the women, you're expected to
empower them at the expense of young women who are very often, much more vulnerable for obvious reasons than young men and reminds me of. So the very first Congressional Delegation trip that I ever took was to Paris, I think it was to Paris and is part of the
This Air Show and Ohio has all these, you know, Aviation interests. And anyway, long story short, I was talking to a very conservative woman at the Paris Air Show who was from Mississippi and she was probably 65 70. And it was really interesting because I was just like, you know, how do you how do you find the city? She's never been to Paris before and I just, you know, interested in people. So I was asking her and she said, you know, what's really interesting is I just feel like Paris I would think of as very liberal, but I actually think Paris is more conservative than some of the big cities in the United.
States. And I said, I'll tell me more about this. This woman doesn't know me. Very well, and she's clearly kind of embarrassed to tell me, but she walks through, she says, well, I just don't see any people, like, when you're in Paris, the girls are girls and the boys are boys and that's true in Paris and that's not necessarily true. And some of our big cities and then and then she says she says she's a senator Vance. I'm embarrassed to tell you this but what I was in New York City recently, I saw a grown man who was walking around
And in a miniskirt and then she gets very quiet. And she said, Senator
fans, I could see his balls and probably want to use these balls. And you realize, oh my God, this is not, this is not empowerment. This is not respecting lifestyle choices. We're letting a
grown man, rock around in a miniskirt in broad
daylight. Like, what do you? I feel like you should be allowed to wear a miniskirt. If a girl can wear a mini skirt, you can wear a miniskirt. That's not what bothers me. But what tells me? I have to see your balls to flash. Apple.
And you're like daylight in New York City, you're a pervert. You're just different. You're
doing you're a pervert and I want, I want all of us to say whatever your political persuasion just say. No, that's weird, right? You're allowed to walk down the street and Flash children in the middle of the world's, or the America's biggest city, and it reminds me of no manual mccrone. Who's the leader of France made this observation about? Somebody asked him. Why hasn't all the transgender stuff? Made its way into France and Emmanuel. Macron says, well in France, we have two genders.
That's plenty. I kind of wish that was the attitude that we had in the United States of America.
Well, if you ever heard Marc Andreessen break down the, the why woke is like a cult? He does it. He's a brilliant
guy. So, he's a very, he's a very good friend. Yeah, I've heard this. Yeah,
it's brilliant. And he talks about how you can be excommunicated from the call to you. Don't follow the doctrine, you have to follow religiously and to the letter. That's where all this stuff. Like, if you're allowing guys to just have their balls hanging,
Out walking down the street because it's empowering. Yeah. And because like, you're being inclusive should know your
power over. Yeah, it's a cult and it's a religion. But with one big difference and I think this is, you know, actually this this observation is probably one of the things that led me back to my own faith, but I sort of just a fundamental background belief. I have about humanity is, you know, we're the hardware, right? We're biological organisms, where the hardware and the software is the ideas that we have in our head and certain software, promotes human flourishing. And
Certain software, destroys, human flourishing. And I think that the good kind of ideas tend to promote human. Flourishing. What is what? You know, most world religions have but the woke stuff doesn't have is forgiveness and Redemption. Yes, right. It has the excommunication part but it doesn't have the forgiveness and Redemption Part. Most people recognize that even if you violate some fundamental moral value that I have if you apologize and try to be a good person.
Listen, we're going to be forgiving. We want people to be able to live together. There is this weird thing with the woke stuff. Where when and you see this, and I feel bad when like Comedians and particularly do it, I'm sure you've seen this, but when anybody does this, where they'll go and say, well, I'm really sorry. They'll sort of prostrate themselves when they make an offensive joke where they do something, they're not supposed to do and they expect to Redemption. But no, no, they don't get forgiveness, not, they get is you need to do
More of what you've already done. It becomes this self-defeating, self-flagellating cycle and I think that's the what's most destructive about this is. You can't be friends with people if you think they're only, you know, they're only ever wrong. They can only ever wronged you. Yeah. And in the, if they apologize, your response is not to say, oh, okay. I accept your apology. If your responses and say, no, I want you to apologize, even more and even harder that destroys human
civilization. That's it, since it's an interesting.
Observation. Right? Because it really does behave like a religion but it's a religion without like a good Doctrine. Yes, it's a religion that hasn't been thought out by wise people, right? Where they haven't come up with these different like like the Ten Commandments or different Pathways to correct to forgiveness. There's there's nothing. So it's a this thing that behaves like a religion but it's not really well-thought-out and it's very logical and it also combines pharmaceutical drug
He's and although there's a lot of other weird shit that's attached to this religion. Yes. That you kind of need like if you're gonna do this whole woke thing and like go guns a-blazing, you're going to have to get drugs involved like you're gonna have to, they're going to have to do hormone blockers. It's like it doesn't just happen on its own and that's somehow or another is natural to them. Like, this is how you be your true self. Like your true self is you, you add hormones that aren't supposed to be in your body? That's your true self. Like how, you know?
No and it's irreversible. Are we fucking sure this
is yeah and oh by the way instead of your true self being, maybe I should be skeptical of some of the crap that I'm putting into my body. I should lean into the idea that I should put more foreign things into the human body. That's what to me is so fascinating about it is the true self. Like, you know, I think all of us, that's sort of part of the human Journey For Truth. We're all asking who is, you know, who are we? What is our true self?
And maybe we should be asking ourselves. This is sort of more of a Bobby Kennedy point. But why are we putting all this weird crap into our food, into our water? Maybe we should be a little bit more skeptical. Like on my body is a temple rather than I'm going to welcome even more pharmaceutical intervention into the human body. It's very interesting how some religions view the body as a temple and some religions almost invite the pollution. I think the woke thing is inviting the
pollution. Well, there are also inviting
So what one of the weirdest things is if you are on the wrong side of their ideology, like if you're aligned with Trump like RFK, junior is now also Nicene like people on the left that are trying to dismiss a lot of the things that he says about additives and food about atrazine fluoride in the water, all these different things because now they're connecting, not having toxins in your food with a right-wing
idea. It's crazy.
It's
mind-blowing so bananas like even being healthy Fitness Fitness they're connecting Fitness with a right-wing
ideologue. Yeah well and it raises one of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake shit and distractions to distract us from the real stuff, right? And so, if I'm looking at the environmental movement, United States of America, and I don't even have, like, strong views on the, what the carbon footprint.
Emily does, I'm sort of skeptical of the experts here, but I'm also skeptical of, you know, the other side. I just don't really know what I think about this. I think it's insane to try to eliminate fossil fuels. That's kind of a belief that I have, but it's interesting that the environmental movement in America, the only thing that it talks about is the carbon footprint and it never talks about like, oh, why do we have the highest rates of obesity in the world right now? Right. Why is it that American Kids spend less time outdoors in nature than they ever have in the history of?
250 years civilization, there's this weird way in which we get distracted by the fake stuff instead of focusing on the real stuff and I think there is a really very important environmental conversation to be had it was interesting when one of the first things that happened when I was a Senator. Is this terrible train? Derailment and East Palestine, Ohio got a lot of headlines and it was a mistake of the time. That was an obvious. They basically set off a few of the chemical cars, which I mean if you see the images, it looks like a nuclear bomb.
Bomb went off and he's Palestine Ohio, but it's putting vinyl chloride and all these other pollutants into the water into the air into the soil and it was amazing. The environmental movement, almost could not have cared less about a chemical explosion in rural Ohio. That is potentially poisoning thousands of people, but they were really, really concerned about the carbon footprint of those same people. I'm sick of the distraction. I think we should focus on the real stuff.
Unfortunately, it's true. The Environmental Policy but it's true of a lot of other stuff. We just don't talk about the real thing. The
carbon footprint think is very concerning to me because I'm seeing this concept that being pushed out of having an app that monitors your carbon footprint and limiting the amount of travel you can do and limiting the money thing I know where that's going to go. Yeah, just control. It's just control, obviously about feral and if you could do that then you can get away with a lot of things. You can get a lot of weight with a lot of policy.
You can get away with a lot of decisions that are made, that people wouldn't agree with because you're going to limit so many things about their life. They're going to become accustomed to being governed. That's right. In that way it just it's disturbing to me that there's also a profit that's being made off the green movement. There's a lot of people like Bill Gates who have like making a lot of money off of these environmentally conscious things
50 million dollars, Kamala Harris. By the way,
also is bullshit fake food that fake meat, which is not good for anybody out, man.
You read about fake meat, folks. Read about how they're making this and I'm not talking about 3D printed meat which is a very different thing that seems to be at least more consumable but for like the plant-based meat stuff that's garbage. That stuff is garbage. Highly processed garbage. If you want to eat vegetables and beat vegetarian eat Indian food. Okay. It's like they make really delicious very
community in America. They make very good vegetarian.
They make the best vegetarian food. Yeah. But it tastes good and it's actually
Isabel. Yeah, it's not this crazy fake a cheeseburger. No, that's right, stop eating that.
When I first started dating my wife, I just had no idea like what vegetarians a dry tongue like a meat and potatoes guy from Ohio and I wanted to make her dinner and I want to really impress her because I was like, madly in love with her. And did you cook
beef know the meal that I
the meal that I made her, I'm not proud of this but I'll tell you was you know crescent rolls are those like Pillsbury. Yes Jewels. So I rolled
Flat thing of crescent rolls. I put raw broccoli on top of it. I sprinkled ranch dressing, and I suck in the oven for 45. It's, and I was it disgusting. And that was my vegetarian pizza. That I made my first.
Follow the recipe. No, it's like,
it's like, it's like cream initiate, you know? Dairy. It's broccoli. And it's bread, right? That's what vegetarians eat. So, yeah, I think that your point vegetarian food could actually be quite good. Yes.
I don't, you know, I still, I still like I'm kind of one of these people wear. If I don't have a piece of meat, it's not a complete meal, but if you're any vegetarian, eat paneer and rice and yes, delicious chickpeas, do not eat this disgusting, fake meat. I'm just very
skeptical when someone is promoting things for either Global health or for the environment and then I find out that they have a ton of money invested in companies that could absolutely fit those needs.
Yeah. It's a real problem. Useful anthro capitalism, right?
That's very weird, man. We got to look at them. We have to look at the financial incentives of this mean. So one of the big things that me and President Trump, confront all the time, is the accusation that were somehow like in bed with Russia, just like the, the dumbest thing in the world to me. Like, I don't really care about Russia. I just don't think we should have a nuclear war, like, writ large. I'm very anti-nuke. That
sounds reasonable. Thank you.
Appreciate that. And one of the things they never interrogate is, Who is the biggest?
Daughter of the green energy movement in Europe.
It's the Russians. And
why are the Russians funding? It's not because they care about climate change. It's because they want the Germans and everybody else to buy Russian natural gas. And they realized that if the Germans and French closed down all of our coal and nuclear factories, Russia is going to have them by the balls. But
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about? Well, we're talking about how you ask, why, why do the Germans shut down the nuclear facilities? And I know, you know, it's they're shutting down cold or shutting down any of their base power and leaning really into solar and wind. But again, the the green energy movement in Europe, is heavily funded by the Russians, because the Russians want to have because they produce so much natural gas. They want.
Of Europe by the balls. So
again, how did they convince them to shut down their nuclear power plants?
Well, the same way that Bill Gates is convincing us to eat fake meat is they fund all this stuff and they make it about the environment.
Well that's true, they tried to but if you look at him and you go hey how are you health expert? This is crew. You the funniest thing ever was Ilan showed a photo of Bill Gates next to a photo of a pregnant man emoji and he said if you want to
Lose a boner real quick. Ah, I think that's a wild boy. You want as
funny as shit, man. He's
actually funny as shit. He hadn't really done by that. Guy's gotta suck because you can't even say he's a dumbass, right? That's right. Yeah, you can say many things, you can't say, he's a dumbass, you get Dunked On by one of the smartest guys alive. But point is like, Bill doesn't look good looks terrible. He's aging way harder than Trump. Like it doesn't whatever you're doing. Don't eat like that anymore. Like go to an actual doctor.
Don't know what you're doing. He's telling me that you're fake. This is you look like shit, so you can pick advice. This is crazy, okay? The device about health? Yeah, you're not a healthy
person, that's right. You know, I did. So there's this thing called the Munich security conference in, in Germany. Obviously, it's in Munich. It's kind of like, Davos, but for National Security and I went there, it was like a big deal for me because I went in there as the one skeptic in the entire. This like, massive Euro, complex. Kamala Harris. Is there? I want is a person skeptical, of
You'd escalation Ukraine because I think that what we're doing in Ukraine is insane and that we should have a policy effectively of promoting peace in the region and we walk in. And one of the people that I'm on this panel, with is the leader of the German green party. And, you know, she's, she's like 30 years old and she really, really cares about Russia Ukraine. She's like, the youngest person in the German government and you realize you are like the exact like
Guys are literally Russian influence like you're accusing me of
wanting to do. Russia's bidding, you're encouraging your own country from the perch of government to shut down. All baseload power and you're not even self-aware about how much of your own propaganda is funded by the country. That's benefiting from this that the lack of ability to interrogate me Bill Gates, you know, like maybe he's a good guy. I'm highly skeptical. I don't know him very well but he's getting rich off of all of this stuff.
That he's supporting in the name of health or in the end of climate, our inability to just ask ourselves who's getting rich from this stuff. Maybe we should be skeptical of the people getting rich from. This stuff is one of our big failures, as a political
Society. It's a sheep costume. You put on sheep costume. What's your costume? That's fine. You make a lot of money with global Health. That's around you, who doesn't want Global Health. What a nice guy. Yeah. Oh, he's like very philanthropic. He's well spending all this money. Trying to help poor people, right? And then
Find out what can tweet about. How much money do you make doing that? Yeah, exactly. You pay that five hundred million dollars do that. Exactly crazy. It's a very sneaky move but he's a smart guy. He's in a lot of very sneaky moves like the donating, all the money to the media companies, which is why they never criticize them. The it's right there. He's done, he's like 350 million dollars to all these different
companies. That's right. Or, you know, this is, I think one of the reasons why we don't have more people asking questions about big Pharma, of course, is the entire
Social media think about how many pharmaceutical advertisements you watch when you watch a football game. Yeah, let's get into this because this is an
interesting one week. So one of the things that happened that separated us from the rest of the world, other than New Zealand is in the 1990s, they allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise. Right? What do you think, is that something that has to stay? That way, is that something that could be changed in with policy or is the financial incentives of that, too big to
move? Oh, you could change it with Paula.
The, I don't know that you
think that you would get have enough support to do something like this
equation. I, so, I've been critical of pharmaceutical advertising for a long time. My assumption is that there are not enough. People who would like to do it to actually get it done. But, you know, I've never actually talked to my colleagues about it, so maybe it's
possible. I bet if you ask the American people, you know, I bet that's one of those things if you put it to a national vote instead of Representatives, a problem with representatives of special interest groups. Yeah, that's, that's a group of lobbyists and the amount of
money.
Yeah, the whole condo would have money into politics is fundamentally broken. I think we have to fix that. But what I mean here, okay, here's the thing. And I say, this is a Critic of pharmaceutical advertising, whenever I see a Pharma ad and I pretty much only see them when I'm watching football, I'm always shocked that they actually influence anybody, right? Because it's like, oh, take this drug rheumatoid arthritis and you can have all these positive experiences and it's like, oh, the side effects are, you know, erectile dysfunction rashes on your face,
suicidal homicidal, ideation,
tumors, in your brain.
And you'll hate yourself and be depressed. So what you'll need another drug. And I always wonder like, you get so many of these weird side effects in the advertisements, how do they actually work? So, I actually think the real corruption is not really that they like persuade Americans. I mean, if you're going to take a drug, you're probably going to take a drug based on conversation with your doctor more than a farm advertisement. But they do corrupt, the media ecosystem, because if you're getting all that money from the Pharma companies, then you're not going to launch investigations into some of the things.
You should be launching investigations
into 100% and that's why it's dangerous because it's not like these are completely innocent companies than have never done anything wrong. So if you all the sudden have them removed from your list of people that you're investigating just because they advertise have essentially bribed you. That's right. They have bribed you. And you're supposed to be the people that distribute, the actual news to the American people and you're
compromised. So, okay, let me tell you this, this story and this is okay, this is purely secondary. So,
If you know somebody tries to fact, check it, I heard this from a friend but I heard it from a friend, I trusted. So he was a guy I knew and he worked at the largest industry lobbying Organization for the pharmaceutical companies and I was in DC, this is a long time ago and I just kind of ran into them. And you know I care a lot about the opioid problem. My Mom struggle with opioids for very long time. She's been clean and sober for a while but I'm very proud of you, I love you mom. I know you're watching this but it's raining. This guy in the street in DC and he's
he just quit his job for this pharmaceutical lobbying organization or he was talking about quitting and I was like, why is like man we just did something is very dark and basically what they had figured out is because American Indian tribes native Americans have Tribal sovereignty and so they figured out I guess that if they gave some Native American tribe, some fraction of a fraction of a penny of the royalties from the cell of opioids that they could actually
The late themselves from litigation around the prescription, opioid epidemic. And I guess this guy was just like, thought it was so dirty. That he was like, I can't, I can't work this organization anymore and I was like, holy shit. That is some pretty dark stuff. So you guys are giving some Native American tribe, like pennies so that you can insulate yourself from pharmaceutical litigation. I'd be very curious. I should follow up on this to see if that actually happened but again just to be clear if
The media tries to fact-check me. This is what I heard from a brainy fact. Yeah, I'm very curious if this actually happened. Look at look into it. Because but I think it did happen because I saw the look on this guy's face and he was like, man, this is some pretty dark stuff,
that's crazy. Yeah, but that's how corporations behave, you know, we were just at the trigonometry guys were on here yesterday and we were talking about it. The corporation's behave, like, Psychopaths, like that's there's a book about it. It's like they did describe How This Ends.
I'm not heard that click I think that's what was that? It we're good. Okay. Yeah. What was that thing? You want me to check real quick. Sorry pharmaceutical companies and using giving royalty streams to Native, American tribes to insulate themselves from lawsuits anyway.
Yeah, it's very scary stuff. Well, yeah, it's and it's, this
is like one of the things I think is genuinely different about and I won't get too, too partisan political here, but about Donald Trump's Republican party is, I mean, obviously,
SLI like there are corporations that we're more Pro certain businesses and we tend to be more anti certain businesses. Like, for example, big Tech, I hate big Tech, we get into that later but fundamentally I think, President Trump has changed the mindset of the Republican party to where it was like instinctively always pro-corporate. We're now sometimes willing to ask well, is this corporations interest in the American interest? There was this famous quote, I believe, from the leadership of GM back in the 1950s that General Motors. Interest is
Because interest and I'm probably butchering the quote, but sort of paraphrased. Can anybody really in 2024 say, that Google's interest is America's interest, or apple, which employs thousands of slaves inch engine is Apple's interest is America's interest. Like I just don't, that's ridiculous. And the fact that we're at least somewhat skeptical of corporate power and the Republican party, I think is a very good trend for us,
is kind of weird. That one of the woke is companies. If you thought about like whoa company,
He's and like super Progressive and like on the right side of everything, Apple Apple's like one of the best ones and they have phones that are made by slaves like the people definitionally. Yeah. Yeah. People are deput nets around the building. Well, there's so many of them are jumping to their deaths. Yes. Instead of fixing the work addition various go. That's right. That's yeah. Put up. Put up some Nets in the people can't commit suicide. Crazy thing is you still like
All these like Progressive people are using these devices to talk about like important social issues. Yeah,
well in talking about distractions, right? That the distraction like distraction politics versus real politics. If Apple says hashtag BLM and gives a few million dollars to a trans rights organization then the entire political left ignores that they're profiting off of slave
labor. It's bizarre. Now it's crazy. Can't Apple I heard a strange bedfellows Native American tribes big farm like so.
Then it's like you get Alliance. Wow. So it's
true. Yeah, it was a 19, this is about exactly you said, it's 2019. I was going to say. So I think I saw that guy and like, 2018, it's
so good. Sounds great. But it's what we're talking about. If you allow these corporations look, they have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make more money, or what's the best way to make more money, not get sued? What's the best way to knock or sued for sir? I found a loophole. Yes, exactly. Really.
Psychopaths exists been working, 16 hours. I got a plan to get us out of here. And it works, cool. Who I'm sorry. Like, look, I get the
apparent imperative to make money, but the guy who thought that up is a great a sociopath. Yeah, I mean, that person is. Yeah, I don't want them anywhere near my
kids. You gotta put guard rails up. Well, you have to have laws. It's why you can't have insider trading, right? Like you have that's hard rails up. Well, this is you don't people go. Hey
yeah. This is why look corporations want.
Go make money. They should make money. Yes, fine. But my job is public and social policy and what really pisses me off. And frankly what should piss off more Republicans? Because gonna historically, the Republican party has been the mo more Pro corporate party. We should be saying to the more that these corporations are engaged in social policy and particular left-wing social policy. The more that we should be saying, I don't know that I want to give you everything that you want. Which is of course, what the historical party did. But I think as much different in the
Few
years. I'm just scared that the tentacles of the pharmaceutical industry are so deeply entrenched in politics and in media that you can't just shake them off. You can't just say, hey, you can't advertise on TV anymore or hey, you no longer have exemption from responsibility from the side effects of certain drugs. Because the, the that, that whole thing, they pulled off with exemption of pharmaceutical companies being
Table for injuries injuries from the banks was crazy crazy because you just leave it still exists. People that have lied forever. Yeah, it does
still exist, but it still exists and that is totally insane. And I mean, you know, I so I, I took, I took the vax and, you know, I've been boosted or anything, but the moment where I really started to get red pill down the whole. Vacs thing was the sickest that I've been in the last 15 years by far was when I took the vaccine. And I you know I've had covert at this point five times. I was in
Bed for two days. My heart was racing. I was like the fact that we're not even allowed to talk about that. Even, you know, I know like serious injury but even the fact that we're not even allowed to talk about the fact that I was as sick as I've ever been for two days and the worst covet experience I had was like a sinus infection. I'm not really willing to trade that and you don't even, you know, everybody that I know a lot of people, I know they talk about the second shot that they got of the vaccine was really made them.
I'm really really sick. Well that's a side effect and not a side effect that we even talked about enough in this country.
No it's and it's also again, we're talking about companies that have a long history of lying and being forced to pay criminal fines and then we're giving them this exemption from being responsible for any of the side effects.
Yeah. And who do you think this big Pharma companies? Donate to politically in 2024. I'll give you a big fat, guess.
Probably Kamala Harris
bias?
Nificant marginal, particularly with a RF K Jr. Being attached to Trump sure with RFK jr. Comes a lot of them you know. Like there's a lot there's a lot that you're going to have to handle their the but that's the question is like is are they so entrenched that it's impossible to these things that disturb us the fact that they have exemption from any responsibility because of the vaccine, the fact that they have the ability to advertise on television, can those things be removed is
That a possible thing.
I think it's a possible thing but because I haven't actually done the work to figure out how many of my colleagues would sign on to this. I can't say whether it's like a certain thing or a likely thing or just something that we should be working on what I mean, here is an amazing thought experiment, if there was one thing that we could do to rein in the pharmaceutical companies, like what would it be? Would it be liability on the VAC stuff? Would it be advertising? My intuition is actually, it might be the advertising.
And the healthcare stuff because that's the way in which they engulf the media into this whole
scam. That would be great. But but the exact same thing here is important too, because
I will look into it. That's that's what all that's what I'll say here. Because I would need to talk to people to see if this is even possible.
It's a weird one where you're not even allowed to question it, you're not allowed to discuss. I'm sure. And that becomes very religious just like all these other things that we talked about where you have this, this thing that everybody
Speaks about in hushed tones. People do people that have been vaccine injured particularly people on the left. They're very reluctant to discuss it even publicly. Yeah. I know people who are public people who have had serious vaccine side effects, who do not want anyone to talk about. Absolutely, they're scared of being labeled and
anti-vaxxer. I have a senate colleague who doesn't want to talk about it but worries that it's like permanently affected, his sort of sense of balance and dizziness and vertigo. And yeah, it happens, I've talked
Number of people who think that they got vaccine injured, some of them are public about it and some of them are not, but here's the thing. Like I'm not even you're probably more anti Pharma than I am. Like there are certain things
pro-forma to uh, well they make great drugs that help people. Okay, so that's and diabetes medication
like the Sickle Cell stuff that's coming out. Now we maybe have cured sickle cell disease and black Americans because of a gene therapy. The first, I read about it a couple weeks ago actually
lie that the first experimental therapy and it was hard for the kid who took it, but you had like an 11 or 12 year old black American. Just walk out of the hospital and he's probably cured of sickle cell disease, right? That. But that stuff is amazing. But I actually think that in some ways, what we should be encouraging these companies to do is that right. We want them to develop the life-saving drugs. We don't want them to get rich by shielding themselves from liability or or working with Native American tribes so that they don't get sued.
And I actually think there, maybe even is a Harmony between those viewpoints, because if they had to get rich by developing life-saving Therapeutics, and that's the only way they could get rich, then they probably do more of that.
All right. 100 per second that that's
where public policy comes in. And that's where like, my job is, to make sure that when the pharmaceutical companies get rich, they get rich by curing diseases. Not by doing like weird psychotic things with Native American
tribes and you can't have this argument that we need exemption from responsibility because otherwise we're not going to be able to profit off of.
these things like absolutely well, that means you're making stuff that too many people are getting sick from. So they're fucking suing. Well that's social. That's
socialized cost, right? It's one of the biggest problems with corporate. America is socialized costs, but privatized profits profits and what you really want is the you want major American companies and I'm like, I'm a Believer in the market economy. You want them to absorb the benefits but also the costs and that's often what doesn't happen like for example. So I talked about this train disaster and he's Palestine and you know the railroad
I hate me because I kind of went on a crusade against him afterwards, and what I realized is think of all the costs of that disaster. Think of the health care costs, the welfare costs from people who lost their jobs, the declining home values in that Community, just all of the costs absorbed by that community, and the railroads are paying slap on the hand finds. And it's sort of occurred to me that the reason they're not more serious about these train disasters is because they're privatizing the rewards. But when
Major train disaster, happens, who picks up the tab, it's the local residents, and it's the American taxpayer. And that's something that fundamentally has to
change. Yeah. That has to change. And when you're talking about the cost from a place like East Palestine, how much can they clean that up? Like, how long does that stay toxic, man? She was millions of gallons, right? Well, I some, what was the
number of gallons of the daughter of gal but it was a lot and I hate to say the answer your question how much can they?
How much can they clean up? The answer is, I don't know. And I actually, this is one of my biggest frustrations, probably my single biggest frustration over my time in the Senate is when this happened a bunch of the residents came to me,
It's actually very sweet and even kind of patriotic but certainly self-sacrificing where they said look no one knows what the effect of this shit is going to be 15 years down the road, right? Because we like we weren't worried about okay guy drinks the water and he's Palestine and drops dead. The water levels did not have toxins at that level but the question was what happens when you're imbibing this stuff, breathing it in drinking it at low at Trace levels for 10-15 years. Like do you have
Have we are diseases down the road, hopefully not right. I pray everyday that hopefully not but you can only study that in the moment. And so we actually working with a public health, epidemiologist in North Carolina and summon Ohio. We actually came up with a plan, like here's what you would need to do. You'd collect samples and the first six months to a year after the disaster, I'm not talking about like fingernail clippings things like that. You'd establish a baseline of toxins and people's blood and then five years later.
Ten Years Later, you try to figure out what the toxins were and people's blood. Five years, ten years down the road and then you'd ask yourself what weird diseases if any are people starting to develop after 5 10, 15 years, right? The long-term health effects of the stuff and it was in some ways. A really interesting thing to study because we had never had a chemical disaster where we tried to study the effects of years down the road and of course, how much would this cost between 5 and 20 million dollars over the whole lifetime of the study.
We couldn't get Biden Harris, we couldn't even get some of my colleagues in the United States Senate to give a shit. And it's really frustrating to me because the time has now passed, right? All these people who are saying we are volunteering to be a guinea pig to understand the long-term Health consequences the time has passed. And we're never going to know because we didn't get the money to do the very small amount of money to do that study then. So you asked that question. The answer is, I don't know. I tried like hell to find out, do you think that there's someone
influencing them to not fund these
Studies because they don't want responsibility for this
bill's. Yeah, I thought a lot about that. I think in this particular case, it was just bureaucratic bullshit and too many people being distracted. There's a lot of that, right? There's a lot of that, right? And look, sometimes to be clear, there is a outright malevolence. There's lobbyists, who are in their ear. I think this case, it was just, you know, a bunch of people in rural Ohio that nobody except for, you know, a few of us. I care about them obviously, but no person in the in the Harris Administration cared about. And so when we went to the White House and
just said, you could move money but even just give us a couple million dollars to collect the samples and get the study started and then we'll privately-funded down the road. We couldn't get anything from them and I think it was just they were like, yeah, we've got bigger fish to fry
do so, do you know what efforts have been made to clean that area up or what?
Yes, no. I mean, look, we've definitely.
We are definitely
So yeah, twenty-five thousand. Eight hundred gallons of tea ILX 25,800, what's up?
That's the car that's the car ID, the capacity and the context is like,
yeah, each car has always car accident.
Yeah, each card different stuff.
So what's the total of all of
it somewhere? It's Millions, right? Military's your millions of liters
But look, I mean
and all that stuff. Just leaks into the ground water. It goes at a lot of
oil to rural areas. A lot of people on well water, you know, a lot of people are just breathing in the air. I mean,
when I went know, what the health consequences are for those folks, for
years, we won't know and we may never really know because we didn't collect the samples at the time because you can establish the Baseline. That was what my epidemiologist guy that I talked to. In North Carolina said, you've got to establish the Baseline because here's what's going to happen right fast forward.
Ten years, people get weird cancers sometimes because the chemical spills, come sometimes, just because that's human biology, somebody will sue the train company, which is Norfolk and Norfolk, Southern will sue the train company and they'll say, I've got this weird cancer because of you and what Norfolk Southern will say is no, you don't, you don't have this weird cancer because of me you have it because of just you know you sort of lost the game of Russian Roulette, that is human biology.
And what we could have said, conclusively was yes or no. And unfortunately, we're not going to go to say that this is one of the things like when we're in office. The first, not the first but the first disaster that we have. Hopefully there aren't any, but they're always our first chemical disaster that we are. We're going to take the infrastructure of that study and right away. We're going to try to establish a
baseline. Is it possible to? I mean is when you you and you have a spill of that
Magnitude. Can you actually get everything out of the ground? You have to just remove all the ground? How would you well, is test the groundwater to make sure that it
doesn't to their credit and you're gonna hear me pee praising the, these guys that much. But the local EPA folks, I actually think did a pretty good job there on the water side because what they basically did is they just ran the water in the Creeks through, you know, a filtration system, cleaned it oxidized it and then got the chemicals out of it and then put it back in.
System. Now, the problem is the stuff that's just in the ground, you can't really get that out, right, right? You know, if you remove the ground, you have to remove the ground and clean. I don't even know how you would clean it. I don't know if we have the capacity to clean it. What you, what you can do is try to, you know, as we did, we passed out bottled water and tried to make sure that people weren't drinking the water until the levels of toxins hit a certain level and again, but the issue is never like the levels of toxins are going to kill you. The issue is always, are they going to cause long-term?
Problems that is that in we got so focused. I think the media got so focused on is the water safe to drink and it's like the question is not is the water safe to drink? The question, is the water safe to drink for the next 15 years right. And we're never going to know the answer that question.
Yeah, people are terrified of this idea of someone sabotaging things like that that have trained to contain toxic chemicals. People are terrified about the sabotaging of the Grid in particular. That's that's one that a lot of people have talked about yet. We're very vulnerable, like, what can be done to sort of Shore that up? It seems like cyber attacks are possible. Physical attacks are possible. Yeah and it's all ready to go.
Down where we have a real problem,
right? We do have a real problem. You look like, you know, there's New York Times or somebody else reported recently that my phone was allegedly hacked by Chinese hackers and so know what they get. Ya, I don't think anything.
Come on, man, get anything in there. You find it will
find will find out, man, we'll find out. Get me the
names. Probably should share with you
some some, some offensive memes and you know me telling my wife to get an extra gallon of milk at the grocery store. I mean I, you know,
Luckily, I'm a pretty boring guys. I don't think that they got really anything. That's not and we'll find out tonight boring if your phone gets hacked. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, it also, I mean, it's apparently, they couldn't get the encrypted messages that were in sent. So I'm pretty careful about like making sure I use signal, and right, right message, and all that stuff. Anyway, so any look, maybe they got some stuff will find out eventually. I try not to worry too much. About should I control? But one thing that came up by the way and that and I'll go back to your question is about the grid. One thing that came up in that
Is the way that they hacked. And it was also President Trump's phone, apparently to the way that they hacked our phones is they used the back door Telecom infrastructure that had been developed in the wake of the Patriot Act and this is something that I think should be a much bigger part of the controversy. Over the Patriot Act is when the Patriot Act was passed like AT&T Verizon they had to build all of these systems. So that if somebody got a fisa warrant and could hack into a particular phone, the infrastructure,
Really existed. What I've been told is that that infrastructure was used by this Chinese hacker organization called salt typhoon and that's how they got into the Verizon network and that's how they got into the AT&T network.
What a great name by the way, salt iPhone, pretty badass name, right?
If they have anything on me, I can't be too pissed off at of the least they named themselves salt typhoon. But the, the answer, the question about the grid is this is actually, it's one of these things where if we had a functional government, it's pretty easy to develop the
Stems. Because if you do like an EMP attack right Ron Johnson, is a senator from Wisconsin, is really preoccupied with this. You know. It doesn't take down the whole grid. Would it really screws with is the power transformer system. So, what we should have is basically a backup power transformer for every major system in the United States of America just sitting in a war hat Warehouse that's turned off and because it's turned off, it won't be affected by an EMP pulse and then if there is an EMP attack you just get those Transformers to
About the ones that were destroyed and then the grid is back up and running. It's actually a scandal. I think that the federal government has not just at one point with all the money that we spend on defense and everything else just said we're going to spend fifteen billion dollars to buy enough. Power Transformers to have a backup for every Transformer in the country, we should do
that. Yeah, one of the things that Trump talked about that a lot of people probably weren't aware of, was the damage that these wind turbines are doing to Wales. I wasn't totally aware of it. I
had no.
D until I watch your podcast with
him. I knew a little bit about it but I didn't read about it until after I talked to him and it's a real problem, it's a very real problem and what a conundrum for people that are so called environmentalist, things wind is like the cleanest option when it's not the turbines. Don't last, you can't recycle them. It
doesn't work in salt water in particular, which is what most of the world's water is. I think wind is the biggest scam out there. It's
All
bullshit. Also, pollution, when I see those gigantic win their on ugly, they're gross. They're ugly. Yeah, I mean, I thought this
where we're me and my wife, we used to be in a road trip before. We had a secret service detail, and we took it on the trip, but in the cold days, man, we took a road trip through Kansas or Nebraska or maybe it was Iowa. It was, it was one of the I mean, we went through all three of those States but I can't remember where you just go for miles and miles.
You
see nothing but wind turbines.
It's like, this is
beautiful American Countryside that used to be green Rolling Hills and now you have these disgusting dystopian wind turbines. I'm sorry, they are ugly. I will cry on this hill. They're ugly. I don't want them in American society
and nuclear power plants are actually more efficient safer. And you don't have the problem. Like we think about the problems of nuclear waste like they've kind of sorted a lot of those out. They haven't sorted out the problems of getting rid of these turbine. Do they have it? Not at all. I have a buddy.
D Minor lives in South Texas. And I went to visit him and you drive down there, and it's like an hour of turbines, they're everywhere. There's so many of them, they can't stand his CM as like the sky is turning dark. You see these things? Just spinning it just looks gross.
They kill the birds. They apparently kill a lot of
her, a lot of birds. If you look underneath them it's like bird graveyards the crazy. Yeah, it really is and it's clean. It's green. It's like we're brainwashed to think that these things somehow or another are
Because you're attached to this ideas being environmentally conscious.
Well and I got I got the thought behind them, right. I understand why you were trying to turn, that's obviously a source of energy because you have wind blowing through that Synergy that, yeah capture. But we're just not that good at it with this. It's not a very efficient great just accept that, it was a mistake, it's not that efficient the political or the environmental costs are pretty significant. You know, solar I think is actually a little bit more reasonable because you can get a lot more. The power. They last a little bit longer. They're not nearly as ugly and you
Can put them in places where people don't frankly want to live that much anyway, like in deserts and things like that.
Well, they do those roofs now like Tesla. I
think that's a great way, right? That's just empty space but wind I think we should say this was a failed experiment. We're going to stop subsidizing this and if people want to have a wind turbine great, but we're not going to build miles and miles of wind turbines anymore. At least, not with taxpayer subsidy,
but I just hope people recognize that the trade-off is not worth it. Like when you're getting a little bit of electricity,
You're really ruining the landscape, you're ruining the view, you're killing birds, you're messing up Wales, and those things don't, last that long and then when you got to get rid of, you got to put them in a landfill like the whole thing's
bananas. It's totally bananas. And again it's we focus on the carbon footprint thing and we don't talk about the fact that there are these massive environmental hazards that goes back to the distracted politics versus the real stuff and we should be talking about the real environmental costs. And
also know it's one of those things that again is much like a religion.
Where you, you must stay with the doctrine, you must. You must follow it by the word because if you step out of line and say, actually, when you look at these studies, it doesn't really show that the world is warming. It shows that over the last x amount of thousands of years, we're in a gradual cooling period. And that what's really terrifying is global cooling? Yes, no, Randall Carlson, who's an expert in Asteroid collisions and the younger dryas impact theories, fascinating guy.
He says that like a periods, the periods in history, where we came, very close to extinction are like when there's an Ice Age. Yes. Like those are the most terrifying. That's right. When there's global warming you just move to where it's not so warm and that's what people have done forever
will and you and you deal with it technologically, right? This is the thing that the solution to global warming for however long. This warming Trends trend lasse is to deal with it technologically, right? It mean, if you look at the number of people who die from disasters,
hers in the United States, it's going down because we've gotten better at predicting stuff and helping people deal with things and of course you still have terrible things like hurricane Helene but they are. Luckily part of a downward Trend and people losing their lives, from terrible storms. And you know, if you really think that if you really think that carbon is another reason why I'm somewhat skeptical of like the carbon obsessives is, if you think that carbon is the most significant thing, the, the sole focus of
American civilization, should be to reduce the carbon footprint of the world, then you would be investing in nuclear in a big way and then we say that the environmentalists say well you've got all these poison rocks to deal with afterwards. Well the poison rocks problem is a less significant problem than the carbon problem if you think that we're all going to go extinct in 100 years. So let's deal with the most pressing problem. They're like no no no. And their solution is to buy solar panels that are disproportionately made in China which has the worst carbon
Footprint and growing of any country in the entire world. They obviously don't believe their own bullshit which is why I'm somewhat skeptical of what they say.
Also when you have a movement and your spokesperson is Greta, Thornburg and not some insanely intelligent, scientists who've done years of research on this stuff and there's also not a consensus among scientists. There's a lot of Sciences that are Heretics that are stepping outside lines. That are saying that this is not an issue. And then they're also pointing out the fact that carbon is what trees
Consume, and there's more Greenery in the world today than there was a hundred years ago, which is a very inconvenient thing for people say, I didn't realize that. Yeah, I had no idea. Well
sure Harkin is what trees
we are not. So I knew carbon is
what trees feed off of? I didn't know there was more Greenery than there was a hundred years ago. That's, that's interesting.
Now, that you got Bill Gates, that saying planting trees is not a solution to the carbon problem. Like, wait, is this is? This is so not true and it's also historic
Ali, like one of the the craziest moments in history, in my opinion, is the Mongols and what the Mongols did in the 1200s. They lowered the carbon footprint of Earth because they killed so many people, they killed ten percent of the population of earth.
That is crazy because
of that because they devastated these places and killed so many people trees, grew more trees grew and it lowered. The carbon footprint of these places that have been overcome by,
Were then re consumed by nature and it lowered the carbon footprint of
Earth. Well, there is a fundamentally raises the point. There's a fundamentally anti Human element of the radical environmental movement. Right? States of
America, are saying we have to reduce population. This is Molly. And when they say it with vaccines, you like slow down. That's right. Did you just say that out loud? And then when you Robert of Kennedy's Junior and I encourage everyone to read Robert F, Kennedy Juniors book. The real Anthony fauci because it's
Not just about this crisis that we went through with covid-19. It's about a host of different things that were done and one of them was a vaccine That was supposed to be a DPT vaccine that there were giving two girls in Africa. That was just birth control. It was just sterilizing that. Wow. And that they were I didn't realize they were giving them HCG and they're giving them into this enhance schedule. I don't want to screw this up because I my recalls on the bed
But the reality is, there was experiments done on unwitting unknowing, African women, where they gave them this thing that was supposed to be a vaccine against a disease but it was really sterilizing them and their
experiment. Dark again, that's such a Native American Oxycontin thing that's
is arguable Health shit. Like there's a lot of experimenting going ons, right? That's what they we pulled up an AP article. I had Alex Jones telling me this, I was like what is like? They gave him Polly. Oh, they
The vaccine against polio like what. So there's no stands in place Nation article that shows that a lot of data stop giving these kids in Africa. This polio vaccine because it was actually giving them polio. That's crazy. Like because they experiment because this is how they find out I've stuff work. So you get people with no internet connection, they live in dirt floors. We're going to help you and then become an experiment on them and it's so dark. That is so darn it. It's all done through this idea, philanthropy? Yeah, yeah. It's
Easy and they profit off of it. The whole thing is madness and because they have so much influence and so much power and so much money is being generated. They're allowed to get away with these logistic
about like the that for the respective of these poor people. Assume the polio vaccine thing happened in Africa or yeah, somewhere else. Okay? So you're in Africa. Some white dude shows up says that he cares about you, gives you a shot, that's going to, you know, prevent you from skidding some disease and then you become like permanently disabled or even die because of it like that.
About what effect that has on how those Africans perceive our civilization and are we going to have, you know, are they going to like we're gonna have a conflict in 30 40 years because people are so pissed off about us coming in and giving them health care that isn't actually health care. I really worry about that stuff. I mean, this is one of my big things with the Russia Ukraine. Conflict is people don't realize how much of Africa's food supply comes from the Ukraine. I guess the sounds came out. So if you have this war that goes on forever,
And there's not enough food going to Africa. Are you going to have a bunch of starving desperate people who are like pissed off, because they're starving, who hate European civilization? Because they don't have, you know, they're not getting the food that they were expecting to get. Like, we don't ever think about the knock-on effects of this stuff, right? Yeah, it's really dark and really evil that we're giving them Polio. I also wonder the people who live in the village that got polio. What the hell are they going to be doing in 30 years? They're probably going to hate us.
Yeah, I
I'd be really upset if you gave my kid. Polio. Yeah you came over here. Like justifiably so, so summation. So
I hate these people, right? You can my kid polio under the pretense of helping them, it's crazy
but you know, then there's also pharmaceutical drugs that are really beneficial, and this is the thing, like they have to have guardrails. Yeah. You have to have some, you have them were girls and regulations to keep these people from just never ending profits. Yes, because they always gravitate towards that. There was gravitate towards making the most amount of
money it again. This is where I go back to some, of the arguments of the old left, like what kind of guard rails do you want these?
But he's to have. Do you want the guardrails to be that if you donate to the trans pride and BLM organizations? You get to do whatever the hell you want. What do you want the guard rails? Like, we're going to protect health and Public Safety and make sure that you're not like killing people under the auspice of helping them. Yeah. And that that's the kind of guardrails. I want The common-sense
Logical. Yeah. Very logical. But logic is, you know, dangerous today and look at the logic man. Logic. Is it?
A problem, when you have ideology, some people actually logic as a
colonial idea man, getting
away from the out and that's math is racist. That's rough. You know about
that. Well, okay, so it's interesting, there's this movie, that's probably like extremely influential to my entire political world view, and I didn't realize until last night because I got into Austin late, usually my wife travels with me, she wasn't with me last night she stinky are the kids today. So I get home, I get to the hotel room in Austin and it's very late and I watched this movie Boyz in the Hood.
Seen boys. Oh yeah, sure. Okay. I watch that movie a ton when I was like, eight, nine years old and I realize how much that movie has had an influence on me until I watched it last night, okay. So, all right for furious Styles. A lot of his stuff about not letting financial institutions, buy up all the stuff in your communities. Obviously he's talking about black people and Allah and not you know, white people and Rural small town America. But I was like oh like that's that's maybe the first place that I
Were heard this idea or he talks about like, the importance of fatherhood the importance of, especially, young boys. Having a father in the home. It's like I got that from boys in the hood. And obviously, it spoke to me when I was a kid because I grew up at the time. I didn't have much of a relationship with my dad and it's interesting man. He makes this observation math being racist, he's criticizing the SAT for being culturally biased, but then he says, the only part that isn't culturally biased is the math and it's
like, oh, this is like a
black nationalist in the mid.
Is because that's, that's kind of the philosophy of this movie is what you might call like old-school black
leftism. This movie
in the 1980s is saying something that I wish a lot of white liberals would here today, which is actually math is not
racist. It's what it's one of the things that's like not deaf
definitively. Not racist is math and numbers. You guys are losing your damn Minds. Well,
math is racist. Is one of those ones where you're, it's like, if you heard that in a cocktail party be like what? Like if someone behind you is saying math,
Has raised you like, put the up. We gotta get out of here,
honey. My price. I'd say I want to go, I won't want to what they're having. I want to hang out with those guys, okay? By the way, this is my, you know, an act of bipartisanship. The one thing that Republicans man that were really, I think we got really wrong in the last few years is the anti Hunter Biden stuff.
I want to go hang out with under breath. I mean I may be the only Republican that, dude, that dude he was like
Those hounds it without the writing Talent guy went hard, you gotta give it to him. And I
would say that I would bet $100 100 - voting for Donald Trump for
president it. Well, it doesn't seem like he likes his dad. It seems like he
wanted. I might get $20 on his. Dad vote for Donald Trump for president special last night after the garbage comment. Oh yeah. You know that guy is trying to help Donald Trump. Your we're going to win. I think we're going to win, but after we win, I'm going to be
Is that Joe Biden was trying to help us the whole time? Well, here's what on the mag.
Imagine how it was crazy. I was crazy when he put on the bag of hat from those guys, they all cheered and he insisted on keeping the Hat, he took it with him. I think he's very very resentful that he got ousted in what was essentially a coup. Yeah. And I'd love to know what happened there but I would love to know what how I have to use the restroom but we'll go back, looks awesome because all right, sounds good. So the wildest thing about the laptop,
As that they were able to suppress it from social media and really wild when I discussed that with Zuckerberg and he openly admitted it that the FBI contacted him and told him that it was Russian disconfirmation. Like, that was one of those things while he was saying I was like, yo, I was like this guy's like just saying this. Yeah,
and I remember when that episode came out because it like it reverberated across American politics, like crazy. Yeah. Holy shit. He just said the thing that we all suspected for Ryan time
and if it wasn't for Eli,
Lon purchasing Twitter and then finding out how much of an influence they were having on this and that they were in fact, silencing something that they knew to be correct under Ally and her Ally and 51 Former Intelligence agents signed off on this, right? There's like how did you, how did they pull that off? Like just pull it pulling that off is really wild and the fact that there was no outrage from the left that the left was like, it's fine because it's our side and Trump is evil and he's Hitler.
We got to get rid of them. So, let's just lie about this
laptop and no consequences, nothing, right. The same people that pushed hitters, and by the way, they still have security clearances. I believe which is going to change when we win. But also,
this is,
this is where I always get pissed about the media conversation around what happened in 2020. Is, what they'll do is they'll sort of find the craziest conspiracy theory about what happened in 2020, they'll debunk it and say,
A oh look this this thing. We this shows that nothing bad happened in 2020. There's a nonpartisan organization that actually looked at what would have happened to Americans votes. If they had just known the truth, about the fact that Joe Biden, fundamentally cat traded his political influence for money, like, that's what it was. It's an old-fashioned American corruption story. I will give you access to powerful people in exchange for money, right? That was the true Scandal, the hundred by laptop again. It wasn't 100, Biden doing cocaine with a stripper. That was the fun part.
You can say
that
I'm an election to win, so that was the real estate Roshan. It was the corruption and and as nonsense and and direct evidence that the corruption and the nonpartisan organization said that knowledge, which was suppressed by the entire American Media. And big Tech scene that would have changed Millions upon millions of boats. And we know that the number in for swing States was 88 thousand votes that were the difference.
Queen, Donald Trump and Joe Biden winning the 2012 election. So, set to the side all of the other arguments about fraud and all the other rule changes that happen in the midst of coded. We know that big Tech colluded with our own sort of I would say colluded. The one thing I'll say about Zuckerberg is like, I don't know. I'm super well I've never had a problem with them but I do wonder if it's a convenient excuse. I don't doubt that the FBI said, hey this is Russian disinformation, but these companies still have to take some agency over this to, right? So I think it was both
The corruption, the FBI, and the intelligence services but also the big technology companies themselves. Both of them are at blame and I think fundamentally if they had not done what they did, Donald Trump will win another term as president added States. You'll know you're never going to be able to convince me that if Millions upon millions of Swing voters, knew the evidence of Joe Biden's corruption and it was staring them in the face that we would not have been able to pull that one out.
Well, Zuckerberg has gotten really into mixed. Martial arts is gotten really.
Did you Jutsu and billion to training? And there's very few things that will turn you into a conservative more than martial arts training. Like every, there's no way to get ahead other than hard
work. Well, if you seen all these studies, that basically connect testosterone levels and young men with
conservative, oh yeah, thanks. Oh
yeah, maybe that's what's going on.
Well, it's, there's a certain amount of what the Democrats want us all to
be, you know,
poor health and overweight is because that means they're going to be no, it means. We're going to be more liberal, right? If you if you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal. That's an interesting
observation. Well, I think there's like socially liberal, like Live and Let Live do whatever you want. As long as you're not hurting anybody, which is really what I am. And then the reality is labels, get all confused. Yeah. And this is where it gets sort of conflated like the real.
Of hard work being a virtue. Yes. And this is always been a conservative idea. Is that a you're really supposed to like make your mark in this world and get up in the morning and work hard and you should be proud of that? Yes. The only way to get good at Jujitsu is hard work. Yes. So everybody who really trains hard and gets good has a certain level of it. Just a true understanding of the real relationship that the actual the mathematical equation of focused time energy and
Discipline versus positive results. Yep, and there's only one way to excel. There's no other way to excel at martial arts. I've been training hard, so it's kind of normal that he's becoming like leaning more libertarian and wearing hoodies now. Ya know, my secret
yakked. My secret theory is that suck, is now a trump supporter, but he can't say that publicly of course, but hopefully, it's, he is
really difficult to say that. Now, that's why guys, like, Bill Ackman and trim off. And all these people that stand out and
Real courage. It really helped. Yeah. I like both of those guys because it really cute. Little girl
get excommunicated. Absolutely. Yeah. Cocktail parties are a mess after that and Marin County secure
knot and that's that's putting it mildly. But yeah, I mean, like, you know, one of my closest friends in the tech world is David Sachs and Dave. And I have talked about six. We were both like, it's funny. We were both sort of critical of trump in 2016, but we came, you know, that criticism from a right of Center perspective and both of us by 2020 were like
This crazy bullshit has to end. Trump is our guy and maybe not only is he our guy, but maybe he was like the only one who could have turned the tide against this insanity and David. I mean, he has become so far out there and I admire it in a lot of ways. And sometimes, I see what David says and I'm like, dude, are you going to be like, welcome in? What is he saying your
neighborhood? Well, I mean, have you ever interviewed David Salle? Well, I mean he's just look, he's
very anti woke, he's
Very, very into foreign pot. What I would call foreign policy realism like, why are we starting these stupid Wars all over the world? We should be our foreign policy should be more pro-peace and it's just crazy to me because he's so inflammatory about it that I'm. And by the way, I love it, right? I like, you know, I agree with what a lot of what David says, anyone, I disagree. I know he's a smart guy but he is just saying, look, I don't give a shit if you're going to come after me. Come after me. But I'm going to say what's on my mind that I think, you know, a lot of people are going
Going in that direction which is fundamentally. A good thing is, people are sick of being told what to think. And like the first amendment obviously it's a it's a legal document that talks about the role of government and censorship and sort of prohibits government censorship. But it's also a sort of ethic and an attitude that is endemic or I hope is to American society which is we're going to think what we want. We're going to say what we want to. That's an important First Amendment value, even though it has nothing to do with the first.
It has a legal document itself and a lot of people are sick of being told what to think.
I was very upset when Tim Walsh was saying that the First Amendment doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation, like, especially those two terms hate speech and misinformation because he threw the eye of the beholder, right? It's so subjective and it's the the marks are moving as to what's called hate speech. Now it's moving further and further away
from it all say that an 11 year old should not get Ginger, transition drugs,
That is hate speech according to a significant subset of the
left. Yeah, if you call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Jenner, that's hate
speech. A lot of people would say that's a
Chinese you used to get banned for life from Twitter for dead naming someone. Yes which is just banana, which is totally been calling. You can call him a cunt but you sure can Bruce the whole thing is so crazy. It's just it. And but
it like I think that this is a look, I'm trying not to be too partisan because I know
Of people watch your show but this is to me the biggest and most fundamental difference between Kamala and President Trump and the campaign is you know whether it's Biden calling people garbage or Tim walz calling people fascist and Kamala calling people Nazis or endorsing explicit censorship. We're not trying to censor our fellow Americans, right? Well, techcom alone or policies in our ideas but we're not trying to say you should be silenced because you disagree with us. That is anathema to
thing that I believe in and that is what's happening in the modern democratic party. At least at the leadership level is they've gotten really comfortable with the idea of silencing people who disagree with him. Such to the point where like, it's not even that Tim Waltz thinks that hate speech should be censored. It's that the governor of a state could utter that phrase without recognizing how fundamentally subjective it is. Right. We're Hillary Clinton saying that we want to censor misinformation, she is come out and explicitly said that we have to censor disinformation or
Lelouch total control. We take, hey, you're not supposed to telegraphing a tree exactly at the scores, that's the whole point. Don't want people to have total
control and they can utter it without the American Media. Going completely bananas, just suggest there's something broken about the political culture of the left. I mean, there are people on CNN and you know, CBS and all these other sort of mainstream networks. I've called him corporate networks, all these corporate networks that will say you know, when Donald
J. Trump says that if you ride after the election, you're the enemy of the people or you're an enemy within like that is a major threat to democracy but Hillary Clinton saying that we should censor disinformation there just yeah no big deal and the fact that they can get so fired up about what I think is a pretty common-sense observation that if you Riot law enforcement should have a response to it, but they think that it's the end of the. They don't care at. All right here at all. When Hillary Clinton and Tim Wallace endorsed explicit censorship.
Should scare the hell out of us. It should scare the hell out of you, whenever any politician is encouraging censorship? Yes, especially, when it's about things. Like we said about hate speech and misinformation like misinformation according to who, because we've already shown that there's, there's a bunch of different factors that have control over. What is presented, as fact? Yes. And they're not always honest or accurate and these things get put out and it harms people
Oh, and then there's some sort of a correction that comes along. Well the only way to find that out especially like during The Cove at times these things that they called misinformation, how many of them turned out to be true? Almost all of them. It's crazy. The Wuhan lab. It was racist racist to assume that the Chrome on Jon Stewart. Did that bit on Colbert? Did you see that? I've never seen it though. It's amazing because you see Colbert scrambling, and he's trying to let go John's like do you think maybe the lab it was no.
On coronavirus lab that like maybe it came from there. It was, it was so obvious. I mean the
whole argument for the start of kova that wasn't from the Wuhan lab was basically As I understood it that a bat had gotten a weird coronavirus and had like fallen into a guy soup at a wet you know
in a way more land was involved so much stupidity involved and
it's like that was more believable than there's the Wuhan coronavirus lab. And yeah I remember when
Tom Cotton was the first major American politician to talk about this Tom's. Like a good friend, and he was immediately pilloried as this terrible racist. And, you know, it's just, it's bizarre that were not allowed to talk about things and the United States of America. I will say, I think it's gotten better, there's one of them. I'm more optimistic views is, you know, when we're all locked in our houses and the summer of 2020. I think that did weird things, psychologically, to everybody agree. And I think that a
The people rebelled against it and we're probably in a better position. Now in 2024, like chamath would not have come out, I love two. Mouths would not have come out for Donald Trump in 2020. Right now he's hosting fundraisers and giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to to our campaign. So I think the fact that you have so many old school liberals and old school leftist, say we're done with this. Bullshit is actually a pretty good sign. Yeah, they're still social consequences to it, but not nearly as high as they were four years
ago. Well, I think when Ilan
Purchased Twitter it changed the entire game because now you have this wild-west uncensored version of social media that's run by this Super Genius madman, who has all the money in the world right it's a crazy. I mean it's really without him we're in a lot of trouble because let's say Twitter never gets purchased. They run the same way. They've run it in the past where they're being influenced by whatever companies and whatever a
Agencies decide to remove posts or move people and band Donald Trump and ban a bunch of different conservatives. And ban a bunch of people that were outcasts and just they just decided they were controlling the discourse. Well then you have no Outlets other than that's right parlor and we discussed this yesterday. Those Outlets 100% got Infested by Bots. We're absolutely the weather is putting Nazi stuff up and like, oh, this is a Nazi site. No, you're the not.
You put it up. Yeah, exactly. Your poison instead of it being just a place where conservatives can go and talk about things and not be censored like they were on Twitter, then they get infiltrated with all this hate shit and then it becomes a hateful place and they don't even want to go. So now they're homeless. That's right. Well, now, all of a sudden Twitter comes along along comes along, it has this complete shift in how he's viewing this attack on Free Speech. Then you have shellenberger and Matt Taibbi, they go into the Twitter files, they find like oh my God, like this is, this is
Tushin.
This industrial-scale censorship is what it was
and
They weren't right? They did all this stuff and it turned out that all the things they were saying were either lies or were incorrect, right? And there's no repercussions and so you're seeing all this in real time and no one on the left. Has any problem with it, which to me is insanity and the people that do have a problem with it, their solution seems to be, just go to the, right? They don't even feel like you can reform the left, they just people are just like Tulsi. Gabbard becomes a republican. Yeah, we just abandoning this, I can't talk.
Talk to you
people. That's right. I'm doing event with Tulsi gabbard tonight Pennsylvania. Actually, I love her. She's awesome. And yeah, I think she basically decided that the left cannot be reformed in this country. And we're that's what happened with Bobby Kennedy. That's what's happened with a lot of old school old school liberals is they said, yeah. You know, we don't care what you do in your bedroom, but we, but we believe in the fundamental, right of people to speak their mind and the Democrats just don't believe in that anymore. So and I thought a lot about like, what's you know, what is going on there and what's driving it psychologically?
And I think that I think what's going on, is the entire modern democratic party grew up in an era where there was consensus, right? Walter, Cronkite could say something about the Vietnam War and turned out, he's probably right about that. Actually, and it collapsed public support for the Vietnam War, where they grew up in an America, where social social trust was just so much higher. And I think that a lot of them are trying to reimpose that. So,
Social Trust on from the top. Not recognizing that, that high level of social trust, came organically Brian the way that American society worked. And if you have people trying to reimpose it from the top, it actually, degrades the very thing that you're trying to create. Because I've seen, I mean, family members of mine who got really radicalized because they were like, wait a second, should we be masking three-year-olds and our schools, like we're that do something to their language development and then they would get kicked off of Facebook because a person with 900 Facebook friends who has no public.
While dared to like question the prevailing narrative and again they ended up being right about it. I actually think that what the left is doing is degrading, social trust by trying to create it from on high. And I kind of get the psychological impulse because, you know, like a lot of great things that we do come from high levels of social trust, but you've got to re-establish, it organically. You can try to force it on
people and there's been some course-correcting like did you read bezos's article was it yesterday that came out. I don't
Washington Post, I did see. What did you think of that?
I mean, I go back and forth, like again, I don't know Jeff super. Well, I've always liked him minor actions with him. But the problem with the Washington Post is not that their editorial page has been insufficiently, conservative. It's that their entire journalism department is fundamentally engaged in Democratic political activism. I mean, the to, we talked about this a lot and, you know, my political guys are, you know, a lot of them are outside and certainly that a lot of them will watch but we talk a lot about which of the
Papers that have really gone crazy. And the New York Times is kind of an exception. Yeah. It's very left wing, but it hasn't totally gone insane. The Washington Post might as well be a propaganda Outlet of the democratic party. If you look from the hunter Biden laptop to any number of stories where they just tow the left-wing line almost instinctively. The problem was with the journalism at the Washington Post. It's not with the editorials, I don't care. Frankly, whether the editorial page,
Versus Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. I care about whether the, the journalists are lying about Donald Trump or lying about Kamala Harris. And frankly, they're lying a lot in the negative Direction, about my running mate and their lion, a lot, in the positive direction about Kamala Harris. So what I would like to see from Jeff, Bezos is a commitment to The Washington. Post, not just being a Democrat, Super PAC. I don't give a shit if he hires a few more, conservative columnist. It doesn't matter. What matters is do? They hold their journalism to anything like a high standard and if they don't
Do that then to me, it's just when
addressing, but it seems like that's a at least a step in the right direction. There might be one thing if you have an argument against Donald Trump on the front page. Next to an argument for Donald Trump and let two different intelligent people State their case has one from a conservative perspective, one from a liberal perspective and let's see what, what resonates with
you. It's a step in the right direction. I just think that unless you change the underlying, you know, journalism to make
It more fair. It's, it's going to be only a step in the right direction, rather than fixing the
problem. What else can he do? I mean, he's probably pretty busy on his yacht hanging out with girlfriends tight shirts on as you have the time. You know, I mean, well, I go into the office and like, read everybody's work. Okay. So what we get
examples there is a, there's a journalist by the name of Matt Boyle, who writes it Breitbart, you know, Matt boil, your mom at, okay? So Matt is even though he writes for Breitbart and I know that most people assume that Breitbart is just the
Right-wing rag. Matt is, he has one of the best contacts of journalists in in Washington? Like he knows what's going to happen in the country before. Most left-wing journalist because he talks to the Liberals, he talks to the conservatives, he has allies on Capitol Hill. I'd love to see The Washington Post hire a guy like Matt boil and same at go and do what you're going to do. And obviously it's not going to be able to have the political bias to it, but go and investigate. If you want to go investigate, Kamala Harris has campaign.
Then go and do it. But that is what it would look, like is empowering conservative and independent journalism in the same way that Jeff Bezos is empowered left-wing journalism. If I see that happening, that I'll be a little bit more optimistic about about his
stewardship. Well, could you imagine if the same sort of scrutiny on Kamala has speeches and appearances in these media, Outlets as there is on Trump's, oh my God. Like, one of the things that we talked about was how they edited that one answer that she
She was asked like what you know about foreign PBS. Yeah, they edited it completely and I wasn't aware that they put an answer for a completely different question,
their well, okay. So I think that what happened there having done some try to understand a little bit better, is they basically just edited her answer down a lot. So that she didn't sound like a total insane person because what aired I think on the smaller, you know,
On air on the channels online. Yes. Smaller pickup was the rambling was the rambling, the word salad but what actually aired on the news programs was I mean, it still didn't sound very good, but it sounded a hell of a lot better. Let me, let me give you a very good example. It's okay, so not
the answer. So it's like they change the
answer, but let me see. Let me see what yet know that you're right. They change the answer. But I just want to find the statistic from for my team because I asked them this last night. So
They did change the answer and they changed in a way to protect her, and then importantly they refused to release the transcript, right? So my attitude would be just release the transcript. Let people see what she actually said. Right? So, that you, at least have some Integrity as a journalistic outlet. But okay, so here's you of course, I'm sure paid attention to the kerfuffle over a comedian at the Trump rally MSG. I think, you know this guy, right? It's a good friend. Okay yeah so so he tells he tells a joke about you know,
Porto Rico, the number of mentions on CNN about this joke in the last 48 hours. This was as of last night 143 on MSNBC 101 on ABC, 53 on, NBC 32, and on CBS 31. In two days, they talked about that joke, effectively non-stop. You what it means to have 31 mentions on NBC news. About this particular thing, that is a crazy that is saturation last night, Joe Biden.
In called the half of America, that's going to vote for Donald Trump garbage. Do you think that the word garbage is going to appear on CNN 141 times over the next two days? I would bet know. Now, what's the difference? Well, one difference is that it was a comedian telling a joke and it's the president of the United States telling what he actually thinks. Another difference is again, it's a comedian with at best, a tenuous connection to the Trump campaign. And on the other hand, you have the actual
Being president, at a vice presidential campaign event telling the vice president. Sorry, telling the entire country at an event, sanctioned by the Kamala Harris campaign that half of Americans are garbage. And I guarantee the media is not going to cover this in the same way. I mean, here, let me, I don't know. Jamie can bring this up but I tweeted about this last night that Politico when they have initially tried to write the story about what had been said by Joe Biden.
They said that Biden had called racism against Puerto Ricans garbage. Well, who disagrees with that? I think that racism against Puerto Ricans is garbage, but that's not what he said. He said, that Trump supporters are garbage,
he said it's on video, so Politico,
tried to like retcon, this, it turned out there was a video so we could actually see for ourselves, what was actually said, but the amount of dishonesty in the American Media really is off the
charts. It is but also with Joe Biden, I think at this point
Time. He's literally that crazy guy on the porch, yelling at the neighbors. I mean he's no one thinks he's there which is also one of the fascinating things when they asked her. When did you know that he was mentally impaired? And why didn't you talk about it earlier? And there's this Joe Biden has always done. The amazing work that Joe Biden does. It's just like this long
Where are you going? Yeah, you want to get the like the lights that they use? Whether that's right roller like Cuts? You think she wears the
earpiece. I wouldn't be surprised. I had no idea. This one
was amazed but me and she just to think that yearling, it's astonishing, she talks. The only way I can describe it as she
talks in circles. Yeah, it's like Tim
Dylan says it's like she does gypsy curses. He is he speaks a gypsy curses, that's very good. It's you know we we need to
build a
Opportunity economy, because if Americans don't have opportunity, then they're not going to have the opportunity to be Americans and right. What the hell
did you do it? Well and a generational wealth like, wait a minute, do you know a few people generate generational wealth? That means you have so much money, you're gonna give it to other Generations.
There's, there's actually a okay. I mean, I give a lot of speeches, so there's actually a skill to this. I think that she is the Michael Jordan of using as many words as possible to say, is
Little as possible. There's actually a certain gift that she
has because you listened to her
talk and you know, you're a hundred two hundred words into it. You're 500 words into it and you're like,
what the hell, did she
just say she and say anything, right? And that actually mean, okay. So yeah, there's there's a certain political skill and saying a lot without actually saying anything, but it actually worries me about her being president. Like okay, they're all these substantive policy disagreements and we could talk about. Okay, I don't like her border policies. I don't
I do like that. But what does she do? When she's in a meeting with a world leader? And she has to like know the details of public policy to negotiate with Vladimir Putin or Zhang ping, like one of the major things that you do as a president, is you participate in economic negotiations, like what tariffs are worrying, apply on your goods unless you lower the tariffs on ours or vice versa, right? You have to be able to know a little bit about your job to be the present, United States. And I don't
Know that she has an ounce of curiosity about public policy in this country, that's what scares the hell out of me.
Well it's just strange that everyone's accepting that this person who is the least popular vice president ever is now the solution to the problem and that the media machine in just a few days, did this 180 and just sold her as the solution and as long as they keep her from having these conversations where she's allowed to talk, that's right, they're able to pull this off.
And the fact that it's happening with no, primary should be really concerning to people because really never happened before. Well, it's all good have had a
primary. Well, it's also part of the process where you identify people's flaws, you figure out what they're good at what they're bad at. Like, the primary is actually a grueling
process, how you handle pressure,
how you handle pressure, right? And we don't really know how she's handled pressure because she's only done it for a little while. And if you just look at Donald Trump's public schedule, JD Vance's public schedule versus Kamala Harris. Dude, it is striking how little she
Does there was an interview that she did? Think it's the only really tough interview she's done with Bret Baier? A Fox News. I believe that she had a clear calendar for two days before she did this interview, and just propping her, just just prepping her. But, you know, how can you actually, you know, that's not pressure. If you could just take two days off for one single interview that that's not pressure and also just little things. I mean, look, there's this story out there to be clear. I have no idea if it's true.
There's a woman who has gone on the record and said that Doug emhoff. Kamala Harris, husband smacked her in the face and France, okay, that's been reported on the media. I'm sure you guys can find it if you want to, okay? Again, maybe it's not true, maybe it is true but these things take time to actually figure out and investigating. Here is the thing, you know, you know this, I know this. Most people know this, if you are a domestic abuser that usually doesn't stop with one person, like most domestic, abusers are serial domestic abusers.
Is it in the public interest to do some investigation about whether the White House? The president could be sharing the White House with the person who is engaged in domestic abuse.
That is in the public interest to know,
not only is the American Media, not that interested in it. But most importantly, you don't have the time to really investigate some of these accusations. Meanwhile, every time somebody says anything about Donald Trump without an ounce of evidence, the American Media, picks it up and runs with and makes an entire new cycle.
Totally and curious about what's going on with Kamala
Harris. But I think over time, what's interesting is, most people are becoming aware of this extreme bias. The difference in the scrutiny, that's applied to
Trump. So that's right. But you go back to the question. You asked me about Jeff Bezos. This is why you need good reporters, who have the investigatory skills, who are empowered by their employers, to go out and do the investigations like you know your platform, you're having more honest and open conversations than anything that's happening.
In the corporate media. It's like one of the reasons why I listen to your show. One of the reasons why I'm happy to be here but you don't have like a person working for you. Who's going to go to like France and talk to this woman and investigate? Whether this is true, this is why, you know, I've told Ilan this but like the most useful piece of philanthropy. If you're a right of Center American would be to set up a nonprofit organization where you pay a really good reporter for five years. You give them complete job security and you just tell them go
Off and investigate what's going on in the world and and bring it back and report on the truth. Because if you don't have that, then that is where the media still. Has a fundamental advantage. Over us is, they've got an army of people investigating me and Donald Trump. There's no one really investigating Kamala Harris.
Well, there's also the amount of left-wing media versus right-wing media is pretty disturbing. Yeah. Like what, what, what is the percentage of networks that lean left saying, CNN clearly?
MSNBC, ABC, NBC CBS and then you have fuck-buddy of fox and then you have a couple of online things. Yeah. News Nation, wherever you. But if you just
reach as much less reaches much much less than if you just look at, I mean, you're only, you know, you and a few others are, the only people who can compare with the actual platform size of an NBC, a CBS. I mean, yeah, fewer. People watch them now than they did 20 years ago. But if you look, man, like, you're still getting five to eight million viewers, every
Single night for each of the major networks, on the Nightly News, that's incredible reach. There's still a lot of power there and, you know, to your, to your point about like the comparison, you know, Fox News. Number one, if you look at Fox News as viewership compared to NBC's, there's dwarfs and BC dwarfs it. But more importantly, in some ways is Fox News, which I do think is very important. But yeah, they have a right of Center bias. Certainly, I will admit that. But if you look at how much
Much Fox News is covering the left fairly versus the right. It's much more balanced than like an NBC, right? Like NBC would never have an interview with Donald J. Trump. Where the journalist is asking tough questions. But is like sitting down in broadcasting Donald Trump for an hour. Fox News would do that for Kamala Harris and they did do that for Kamala Harris and there's a real difference there.
Well, this also like the way Brett Breyer they are viewed bear, houses are bare.
The way he interviewed Kamala Harris is very similar to the way you never Donald Trump. Exactly. He's exactly. And nobody accused him of doing anything sneaky, then? No, or no one was even angry at
him because the expectation is that you're going to interrupt and you're going to fact-check and you're going to try to actually do the job of an interviewer, but the expectation is that if you touch Kamala with anything other than kid gloves, you know, you're not allowed to do
that. But I think, again, I think most people are upset, it's one of the reasons why.
Why the movement is, so the movement towards Trump, they're so enthusiastic. They're so energetically, because they do realize that there's this imbalance and they don't like it, and they think that the only way this is going to get fixed is someone who's a complete Outsider, you can't be more Outsider than a guy who they're literally turning the judicial system against, right? They're literally trying to prosecute him like a Banana Republic. You doing it over and over and over again and they're doing it. They're speaking about it openly.
We're going to put them in jail. We're going to lock them up. That way, we're going to brag about it. Keep it from being in the
office while letting you know, I, I use this analogy a couple times publicly, but so what's interesting to me about Toddlers and, you know, I've talked with Tucker Carlson about this toddlers lie in a way that's very different from how everybody else lies, right? So, like if you're telling a lie normally, you know, hey did you do that thing? You would say, no, no, something somebody else, did it?
Or they kind of qualified a little bit. Let me get example, my four-year-old. I'm a big Baker, probably surprised by that, but I'm a big Baker. And my four-year-old I are making an Oreo cake a few weeks ago and I my four-year-old is helping me. He likes he likes to help me out a lot when I bake. And I go to the bathroom and the Oreos that were supposed to put in the Oreo cake, like crumble them up, and put them in the cake. Like half of them are gone when I get back and I'm like, buddy, what happened to the Oreos? And he looks at me and without a hint of irony.
Your shame. He says, I didn't eat the Oreos you
did,
right? So that's the way that Kamala Harris lies is, I didn't eat the Oreos. You did. Not only does she actively brag and has her Administration actively bragged about trying to arrest her political opponents. She will go out and say that if Donald Trump is the president, he's going to arrest his political opponents, even though he already was president and he didn't do
that. Did you see? She went on Shannon Sharpe and said that he's going to take away your second amendment rights. It's crazy. The person who wants
it's too
literally wants to confiscate Firearms, Kamala Harris is saying that Donald Trump wants to take away your second amendment rights.
Dude, the thing
that okay do you know, Steve Banning is, yes. Okay, fascinating guy. Did you just get out
he got out of prison yesterday, they have the audacity to say Donald Trump wants
to jail. His political opponents, Steve Bannon just got out of prison, after a four-year prison
sentence yesterday. And by the way, do you know what? He was put in jail
for do the actual charge? No.
Empty of Congress Eric Holder who is Obama's attorney. General was found in contempt of congress or at least was a, you know, he there was Congress found him in contempt, it was never litigated. He was never tried to put in jail. There was no court case around it. The contempt of congress that Steve Madden engaged in is that the j6 committee or one of these, you know, Banana Republic committees from the Congressional Democrats. They issued him a subpoena, he under the advice of his lawyers.
Felt that he couldn't actually respond to the subpoena, because executive privilege applied, they held him in contempt of congress and they threw him in prison for it. A charge that has been levied against multiple Democrats. Republicans never tried to throw anybody in prison against it over it. Steve Banning, just got out of prison. Kamala Harris is literally using the power of government has already used the power of government to jail her political opponents, and she's saying that Donald Trump is going to do the thing that he didn't do. And she did when they were in,
The positions of power. Do you think? It's because they're worried that if he gets into power and he gets back in the office that he's going to start investigating a lot of this stuff and the 51 Former Intelligence
agencies. Exactly what they're afraid of. They're afraid of consequences. They're afraid of and look, do I think the 51 intelligence agents who signed that letter should go to prison. No, but should they be stripped of their security clearance? Absolutely, I do right. They lied. They use their position of authority and lied to the American people about something that was in the National interest. If
There are no consequences for that,
then. What are we doing? And they're probably very concerned with a trial that's going to reveal what the elements of that particular story really were like, oh,
there's the yeah, there's a lot of corruption there there, I'm sure higher-ups, there are people who said one thing in public, but said something else in private. There probably is at some level of that whole thing. People who may be perjured themselves or at least unethically lied. Look, there's a lot going on there, but
Donald Trump is not going out there and has never said, I want to arrest you because you're a Democrat. He's never said, I want to arrest you because you disagree with me. He's never said, I want to censor you even because you engage in disinformation. What he has said, is that we should investigate some of the obvious sources of corruption and the United States government. That's not going after your political opponents. That's what Kamala Harris did
actually. One of the things that he's talked about. Pretty openly said he could have gone after Hillary Clinton and he didn't, because the exact look bad for the country. Yes, it's true. I mean she really could have that. She did commit
crimes
Has the FBI, a Democrat who's supporting Kamala Harris, said that she committed? I think not just crimes but maybe felonies she committed felonies and what Donald Trump did is said, you know, what, it's bad for the country. A lot of my voters would love me to prosecute Hillary Clinton, but it's bad for the country. So I'm not going to do it. That is the exact opposite, of course of what Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden have done. And again, the media, it's a total upside down Universe where they accuse us of doing the very thing that they've done
themselves.
Yeah, it's really wild to watch. It's the gas lighting is off the charts. So there's a bunch of things that people are deeply concerned with, in this country. And it seems like for men, it's the economy that seems like the primary thing that people concern with and it seems like for a lot of women. It's abortion, sure, abortion and Roe v--. Wade is a big concern. Yeah. Now if I'm correct your position and this is what they wanted when they overturned
And Roe v-- Wade. They wanted to leave it in control of the states. Is this your
position? Yes. So what President Trump has said and what I said is abortion is now a matter for state legislatures state voters to determine. And there's there's I mean one that's always what the argument was, right? If Roe versus Wade goes away, then the state legislatures, the state populations are going to make each individual abortion decision the same way that like California has different laws on a whole host of
Jack's that Alabama. Does the idea is that yeah, California would make its own abortion policy. Alabama would make its own abortion policy and I so there's there's a basic sort of principle of federalism at work there, but I also think that, you know, knowing Donald Trump. Well, I think he's motivated. Also, by desire for us to just stop having a culture War over this particular issue, and to let the voters in these states, make these decisions, while the national government focuses on things, like lowering the cost of groceries and lowering the
cost of housing and securing the southern border. And I think there's actually some great wisdom and that because you know, think about this abortion is not really been a political issue for 50 years. Now, we say that it is an awfully, so we disagreed about and people thought about it, it was always something the Supreme Court said, this is the way it is, there's no political decision-making. Every European nation has made abortion policy democratically, and that's what Donald Trump is saying. Do what every European nation has done? Let the voters decide what their abortion?
C is going to be and we're going to focus the national government on different things. And I say this as somebody who like I genuinely, you know, want people to choose life and I'm, you know, big believer in families and I think, you know, having children has been like a revelatory experience for me. And I want our country to be more pro-family more pro-child. I think they're all these things that we can do at the federal level to make our country more pro-family and more Pro child, you know, make childcare easier. You know, stop, I've actually sponsored legislation to stop.
Op the surprise medical bills that happen when people and I've seen this with my own wife, you go to the hospital, you come home, you've got a beautiful baby, but you also got a twenty thousand dollar unexpected bill because you choose the wrong, you know, the wrong out-of-network, healthcare provider when you're at the moment of delivering a baby, like they're all these things we can do to make it easier for young women, young families, to choose life, but Donald Trump, I think, once abortion policy, and he said, this explicitly to be decided at the state.
I'm not it's not possible for me to get pregnant. So when I think about these things according to some people depends on who you ask. But I think
when you do get with the 21st century man it's possible for me to get pregnant. Now,
too much for most people, I think one of the issues is for a lot of people. One of the issues is that men are making decisions for what women can kind of, can't do. I hear that? And one of the more concerning aspects of this,
It's like say if you live in a state like Texas where there's a limit to when you can get an abortion, I think it's like six weeks, which a lot of people think, at that point in time, you can't even tell whether or not you're pregnant. And this puts a lot of women in like, very vulnerable positions. And then there's this thought that they could go to another state where it is legal and have an abortion, but they could be possibly prosecuted for that in their state.
That that's concerning to me that we can make if there's a place in the country where it's legal to have a medical procedure and you live in a state where it's not legal that, your state can decide what you can and can't do with your body, which is essentially based on a religious idea and a lot of the and I'm not criticizing it one way or another. But I'm saying that a lot of what this choose life thing is about that, life is precious and life is sacred in life. Begins the moment of conception and some people agree with this, but are the people disagree with this?
And it seems to be a lot of it is based in religion. My concern is using that to dictate whether or not a person can legally travel to another state with. I don't think the government should be monitoring where you travel or what you do when you travel as long as that thing is legal. And I'm concerned with this idea that you could be prosecuted for in your state for doing something that's legal somewhere else.
I don't like the idea to be clear, I'm not heard of
of this maybe as a as like a possibility, but not as something that actually exists in the law. But I've not heard of somebody being arrested and I don't like the idea of arresting people for having heard of them. I'm doing either. I'm heard of it. I heard of the discussion is a threat that yeah. You like I don't like the idea to be clear of people getting arrested for freely moving around the country, right? I think so to your point about it, being a religious idea, I mean, I would say I do a number of non-religious people who are very pro-life and I think the honest answer is that what?
Doing is we're trying to figure out what is the right balance between autonomy and life. And I say this as somebody who when Ohio made this decision, I campaigned very aggressively for the more pro-life position and the state of Ohio and my side lost. In fact, we got our asses kicked we lost 6040 and I took some, I took some learning from that. I think the one of the things that I took is as a learning as a guy. Who cares about this issue is Republicans, we've got to earn the people's
as trust because they don't trust the idea that when we say that we're pro-family, we don't just mean probe Earth. A lot of people say you're Pro birth, but you're not actually pro-family. And I think there's a lot that we can do as, you know, Republicans to try to earn back the trust of the American people. But if I'm trying to represent as fairly as I can, the pro-choice and pro-life position. Here's what I think is really going on, is you have something now? Some people would say maybe religiously motivated, maybe not that
Human life. I would say that it's a human life, but at least has the potential to be human life. And then all the other hand, you have again, I Feit freely recognize this. You have a woman who wants to make a choice about what she wants to do with, with her own body. Those are two very profound values. Both of which, I think are value our variable, right? I mean, I think autonomy is really important. I also think life is really important and what we're trying to talk about fundamentally, I think again I'm trying to be fair to both sides. Here is to balance the interest in life.
Life against the interest in autonomy. And I think that the way to do that is my view is to let the American people debate and talk about and argue about this issue and come to this decision on a state-by-state basis. And again, California Florida, Ohio Alabama. Well, I have different solutions to this particular problem but that's what we're trying to do, right? People like me or trying to say look, I think life, really matters and other people are trying to say. I think autonomy,
Batters in the truth is that 95% of Americans would probably say there's some way to strike the balance in the middle, you know, where most of Europe has ended up here and it's actually striking because you think of Europe. Again as a more socially liberal place in America, almost every place in Europe has ended up effectively where late-term abortion outside of cases of medical necessity is banned outright. And then, you know, early stage, abortion is allowed, that's how most societies that democratically settle on this.
It's how they strike the balance. I think my attitude is I'm running for vice president. I'm not trying to tell you how to strike the right balance, but we want to preserve the right of states to make these
decisions. I think what people are afraid of is men telling women, what they can and can't do with their
bodies, that's the autonomy value. I get it man. I look I get it and I think that there is a very real and valid argument here. That autonomy should take precedence here. But I also think we're being honest, there is an argument that life matters too.
And that's, that's the balance that people were
trying. This very complex and people do not want to look at it that way, I always discuss when I talk about abortion. I say it's one of these very human issues where it's very strange where most people think like at the moment of conception if you could just remove those cells and keep them from multiplying, that's less bad than if you wait six months, right? Like almost everybody would agree to that. So what are we doing then? Like what it like
Bill Burr. There's a bit of yet. Yes, he built real heavy.
It's a very good bet and a stick and there is a moral intuition there. That obviously like something that looks and feels like a baby is more valuable than right. You know, something that's just the way it has on heart the heartbeat. Sure but I you know I think the it's just hard right? Because it's not clear to me philosophically where you draw the line here, it's a very like, hard question to figure out, and I think that's why people debate it and disagree with about it so vociferously, but it's interesting man. The, the thing that I find
And again, as a person who leans more in the pro-life side of this debate is okay. So you will sometimes hear people on the left say, well, late-term abortion, doesn't happen. Well, there's an organization called The guttmacher Institute. It's a pro-choice organization. It's a pro, you know, abortion rights organization and they found that there are approximately I think it's 12,000 abortions that happen in the second half of pregnancy. So, this is past 20 weeks, maybe it's even past 22 weeks about 12,000.
Portions past 22 weeks, okay, they also found that of those 8,000 of them are purely. Elective, there's no medical necessity. There's no like, you know, the baby has some genetic abnormality. It's just pure elective late-term abortion. I don't know how we can't get consensus that, that is not good, right? Right. The come on. And, in
fact, especially, it's not a medical
necessity exactly every European nation has gotten to that point where you say, okay, we like 8,000 late-term
It's like, come on, but again, it's not my decision as the vice president or and that's not President. Trump's view is very against a National Abortion ban because he wants this debate to happen, organically and democratically. And I think that's, that's kind of our attitude to this. Now, you're right, again, there is a balance to strike here, but usually in American society, where it recognized that the way to strike that balance is to debate it as Citizens and not to have like lawyers and judges make these
terminations for us,
believe it or not, Joe Biden. Had one of the most logical takes on it a long time ago, long time ago, back when you can
talk racking his brain was
afraid and he said abortion should be safe legal and rare.
Well that was my grandmother's view, right? That was my grandmother's who that was the Bill Clinton view. Yeah. And I do think that there's something that is really weird about this whole debate where, you know, thank God to be clear. This is not true of the gross majority of are pro-choice citizens but you do sometimes see people like they'll go on tick-tock.
And they'll celebrate having an abortion. Yeah, I've known many, many women. Usually, when I was younger, who chose to have abortions because they felt like they didn't have any other options and you know, I don't I don't judge them. I think that a lot of them just felt like they were completely trapped and they made the decision, that was ultimately right for them. Again, my argument is, we need to try to gain those women's trust back because clearly the Republican party on this issue, has lost a lot of trust, but none of
Of them were like baking birthday cakes and posting about it afterwards, right? They recognize that this is a medical procedure and this is, you know, something that they felt they had to do. But celebrating something like that is just bizarre to me, and I'm much more comfortable with the people who say safe legal rare. That I am with the people who say, let's shout or abortion from the
rooftops. Well, it's just this Rebellion thing, you know, and it's also a brilliant, like the concept in the Zeitgeist is that abortion?
Had always been, you know, rho d, rho, v Wade, who has been the law of the land and then all the sudden that was taken away and you have these religious men who are trying to dictate what women can and can't do with their
bodies. Yeah, yeah. No look. I mean, again, I understand that. I understand the the push back against that but I think you can go like with so many other issues you can go way too far about it and it becomes trying to celebrate something that at the very best if you grant. I think every argument of the pro-choice side
It is a neutral thing, not something to be celebrated. Think there's
very few people that are celebrating though. I searched the extreme hundred weird, Rose the ticket.
It's like it's like everything right where and I try, this is something that that is dangerous about social media. Is that the danger of social media with me is not to me that I live in my own Echo chamber and just have views reinforced. The danger is that I'm only exposed to the crazy people on the other side. Right? To make me make it easier for me to adopt my own worldview.
I'm saying oh it's just people celebrating when in reality, you know, like you said, most American women, even those who are pro-choice, are not celebrating this thing.
I think that's one of the Insidious things about the social media algorithm is that it highlights things that people engage with more outrageous, which is more outrageous, more things that they find reprehensible, they see more of it. I see so many guys with makeup telling me they're going to take your kids. That's right. Indoctrinate your case like, wow.
Am I saying that was because they're highlighting it. And when you have an app that's owned by China, that is the number one I believe. Is that a
coincidence? Its fist. Yeah. Facilitating the worst of our fellow citizens because it allows us to Siloam or but I mean the way that I deal with that is I just try as hard as I can to remember that most Americans this what really bothered me about what Biden said like, most Americans who vote for Kamala Harris are fundamentally good people like I believe that and you got to try to find the people who are reasonable and talk to them and that's why I talk about
You know, the importance of regaining trust is just, I've had enough conversations with the people who don't like the Republican party's, even their perception of the Republican party to use here. That if you talk to reasonable people, you gain a different perspective than if you talk to the unreasonable people. So I
think a lot of people are only informed by headlines and by real quick things that they see on television. And so they form these narratives in their head and this is what they're operating off of, that's absolutely right. And this is why they have this weird.
Perception of both Republicans and of trump. And then they start throwing these terms around like fascism and white supremacy. And well, of course, you don't like fascism. Of course, you don't like white supremacy, you can't be a Republican and the next thing, you know, you're on the other side and you don't like, how did you get me? You've railroaded me fucks that's you guys, are you censoring my Facebook? What's going on here? And it's there's, you know, there's not like a reasonable. And that's the one thing that I think the Republican party has done poorly is like be a little bit more balanced and
Some of these controversial social issues, you know, like the one thing that people are worried about right after Roe v-- Wade, was gay, marriage, gay, marriage laws and people were thinking well it's religion that overturned Roe v-- Wade and religion is probably going to overturn these met with these gay marriage laws. And people are very terrified about that
to. Yeah. And which is, which obviously, that's not something we're trying to do, but it's interesting to me that how much people focus on the religious element of it because if you go back to the road,
Versus way debate, you Ruth, Bader Ginsburg who is a feminist icon and was very pro-choice. She thought Roe versus Wade, was terrible law
W. So think that
because I mean, basically, because of the argument that often, you know, sort of Republicans will use about making it a state issue. As she said, look, you can be pro-choice as Ruth, Bader Ginsburg was, but the avenue to make abortion policy should be legislators. Not judges. So is it was a procedural argument about how the Constitution functioned. Where it's fun.
Like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, actually agreed with Donald Trump. That even if, you know, like that, this should be a state's issue that the state should make these decisions among their citizens. And it's telling that that perspective is not Illustrated or highlighted, but look, I understand like people who aren't, you know, obviously person Faith. They don't want people of Faith to force their values down, right? People who don't agree with them, but I'm sort of comfortable with everyone of us, kind of having our Zone and within that zone,
I don't want people to come in and tell me what to do, like, in my home. I'd like to be able to raise my kids with my religious values. And I'd like to be able to teach my kids, what I think and you should be able to teach your kids. What you think? And then we recognize that the more public The Zone, the less that I can get to control what you do. And that's part of living in a pluralistic society, and I'm very comfortable with that. I think, unfortunately, the modern left seems to be less and less comfortable, even with people of Faith having their own private zone. Right? This is the
Trans thing where it's going to take your kids away if you don't consent to gender reassignment or, you know, we're going to tell you that you can't send your kids to a religious school. You hear people say these things again, I think it's the crazies. It's not the majority of our fellow citizens but part of living in a pluralistic society is accepting that every man's Castle or every woman's Castle is his or her own. You've got to have respect for people within those castles and then we should. Hopefully just have some common-sense things that everybody
Can agree on when we're talking about public spaces,
I think for a lot of people worst case scenario when they start thinking about religious influence, on the way they're allowed to behave. And the way their state is governed, worst case scenario is a state adopts Sharia law.
This is worst-case scenario. Yeah and I think all these people that would cry against the concept of islamophobia. Yeah. Really need to understand what that means and what you're talking about and to say that that's an outrageous and ridiculous idea that's never going to take place. It's kind of already worked its way into some Society. It has it has it and there are is it is it Minnesota that has call to prayer? Like is it Minneapolis? I don't know what place, I know there is there is a place in Minnesota.
Believe where they have prayer calls. As a matter of local government. I don't think that's. I do think that's happening. That's Hearts. Getting real weird. Yeah.
Well, it's like that starts getting real weird and when you have people that are openly saying our goal is and then they've talked about this in Toronto. Yeah, like activists have said, our goal is to outbreed everyone who is not Muslim and it scares the hell out it out and in put Sharia law in place.
Yeah. That's very scary. Women
have to wear burqas. This is how it works.
Yeah, well and that's, I mean, that's what to me is so crazy about
Out some of the hyper left-wing reaction to the idea that like, somehow I want to force every man woman and child to go to my church is ridiculous. I just don't want to do that. I've never had any interest in doing that, but where you see actual real religious tyranny is increasingly in Western societies where you've had a large influx of immigrants who don't necessarily assimilate into Western values, but try to create, I think a religious tyranny,
Local level. And if you think that won't happen in a national level, you're crazy. Did you ever read Douglas Mary's
book The Strange death of Europe?
I haven't read the whole thing but I've read it in bits and pieces. He's a great guy.
He got attacked so hard for that. Yeah, because he was really like an early Sounders. The Paul Revere, I
wish it will know what did one of the most controversial things I've ever said, is what is the first Islam missed? Right? Because it's important separate. There are Muslims who are not islamists, right? Islamists are like, theocrats, right, right.
What is the first islamist country that is going to have a nuclear weapon and I sort of joked. I said, maybe it's going to be the United Kingdom, because they're so bad at assimilating sort, of newer immigrants into their society. You have definitely communities in the UK, where local leaders are running explicitly on Sharia law and winning elections in cities that are in the United Kingdom.
This is England. This is like
where America came from. Right is a bunch of English pilgrims who came to the United States that to me is really crazy and really scary. And then of course, everybody said, well, you know, Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. By responses, will Pakistan isn't necessarily an islamist country. It's an Islamic country. They certainly have an Islamic government and that's the majority religion of the people. But Pakistan isn't going and saying we need to like, conquer the infidels least. Their government isn't? We need to confer the conquer, the infidels and
Force them to obey our laws. You see that more in among some of the activists in the United Kingdom maybe than you do in certain Arab countries and that's crazy.
It is crazy. But it goes a long with this thing that we've been talking about. I think essentially people have sort of a built-in mode, a program in their mind that accepts religious doctrines and these religious doctrines could be woke. It could be you know hardcore right-wing conservative
And fundamentalism or it could be Islamic Doctrine. But we, yeah, this is why a
simulation is so important, right? Is that look, I'm married to the daughter of immigrants. I do think that immigration can enrich this country. I do think that, you know, immigrants, many of them are bringing a lot of to the table, but we have to be honest with ourselves that permitting 500,000 immigrants in a society like ours is much different than
in permitting, five million or 50 million immigrants and importantly, where are the immigrants coming from? What are their values? Whether their economic skills, there's something with the criminal record with their criminal record. There's something very in and sort of the modern. Again, this is a new thing because this is not Bill Clinton liberalism. This is something that we're seeing today where they don't even want to talk about the quality and the backgrounds and the skills of people coming to our country somehow, it's fundamentally racist right to say.
Well, we don't want certain people of certain backgrounds to be in the United States of America. No, it's just common sense. I mean, let me sort of give you a very specific example. Okay. So you know, ask yourself should America except one hundred thousand immigrants from Mexico, okay. Just in the abstract. Well, Mexico is a gigantic country with Millions upon millions of people. Who are we talking about? Are we talking about people who speak English as a
Second language, and don't have criminal backgrounds, or are we talking about people who don't even read and write in Spanish and do have criminal backgrounds? Because those same groups of people, even though they come from the country, we call Mexico, right? Are going to assimilate and contribute to America's Society much differently. There's something in the modern liberal mind, that doesn't even allow you to ask the question, who does America benefit from bringing into this country and if the answer is, we don't benefit,
then, why would we bring them into the country? Well, it's also this, the concept of being
Anti open border somehow or another became attached. Instead to of safety, it became a attached to xenophobia. Yeah, became attached to racism. And when you know, you confront people say, do you know that Venezuela has literally opening their prisons and instructing people to just cross into America's like know when you tell the one of the wildest ones I think it was you we're having a conversation with a woman. We are discussing the gangs and Aurora
Do that have taken a? Yeah. And she was like it's only a couple buildings.
Why is it? That's your community? It's only a couple of apartment complexes, right? With hundreds of people that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs. I think Joe, the right number
is here, apartment
complex has taken over by Venezuelan gangs is
0. It's in San Antonio to it's happening in San, Antonio hitting everywhere. It's so crazy. That people don't want to admit to this, because if they do, it's empowering the right. They think it's going to help Donald Trump get a rental.
Did so they're turning a blind eye to dangerous criminals crossing the border with no recourse, no tracking. You can't do anything about when you see
this in some communities where because they're small towns. And because rapid migrant influx can happen very quickly where the town population has been doubled, okay? So that you don't even have to assume people are criminals. What does it do to the local public school? When all of a sudden, a thousand newcomers show up that don't even speak English, right? What is it?
It do to the hospital system. When you now have thousands of people in a small Health Care system that are showing up to get Emergency Services because they don't have access otherwise to a doctor and now the American citizens have to wait in line for seven hours to get to see a doctor because we've overwhelmed the local hospital system. What does it do to housing prices? We've seen this in a number of communities including those that I represent in Ohio, when you bring in thousands upon thousands of people, you cannot build enough houses quickly enough to accommodate that. So the cost of housing becomes unaffordable
Portable for American citizens. It is the craziest thing that we've seen in this country that you don't even allow people to talk about the effects of mass migration anymore. And that's why I think it's one of the reasons why it Donald Trump is going to be elected. President, where Lee should be elected president because he's one of the few guys who sang. You know
what? No, no, we're going to talk about this problem. Yes,
some immigrants are good. Some immigrants are not good and that is an obvious insight to anybody. Who knows? Human nature.
What do you think is the goal behind?
And allowing this to take place. Now, first of all, one of the things that Kamala Harris has said, was that there was a bill that could have fixed the Border problem, but that Donald Trump did not want it to take place because he wanted to keep this as a political
talking point. Totally dishonest, totally dishonest here. So it was the bill. Okay, here was the bill. What happened is, okay, let me talk about the bill does first, okay? Okay, number one, is it sets a maximum cap on the number of illegal immigrants that we could have before
The Border shuts down that maximum cap is 2 million illegal aliens per year. It's like 1.85 million to be more precise. That's number one, it did number two, it codified, what's called Catch and Release where a person comes into our country there, an illegal immigrant, but they say, no, no, I'm not only goal immigrant, I'm an asylum seeker. And so their claim for Asylum gets adjudicated but because there's a backlog because we have so many their their their claim, is it going to be adjudicated for 15 years so rather than
Than having that person weighed in Mexico. We give them a work permit and we give them legal status and we let them come into the United States of America that's called Catch and Release. Donald Trump's policy was, you have to wait in Mexico. We're not going to catch you and then release you into the country for 15 years. It codified that in other words, even if Donald Trump became president, and this was why he really hated it is that he would not be able to undo Catch and Release. If he won the election, it would be codified into American law. Third thing. It did nothing on the border wall. Nothing on
Immigration system called parole, which is supposed to be a case-by-case. You grant parole to people who are fleeing tyranny, but Harris has used parole to the tune of millions upon Millions, Mass parole, whole categories of country have been paroled into the United States. I didn't do anything to solve that problem, so, it wasn't a border security bill, it was an amnesty bill. Now, in addition to what I just said, it also gave some table scraps to border patrol the and that, that is what allows them.
To hinge on to that one thing and to say it's a border, it's a border security Bill. No, no, it was a mass amnesty bill would have made the Border problem, 10 times worse, and that's why they ultimately pushed it. And that's why Republicans fought against it. By the way, like, six Democrats voted against that piece of legislation because they thought it was kind of a disaster. So it was not a bipartisan border bill. In fact, it was much more bipartisan the opposition to the legislation, but it is allowed Kamala Harris to go around and dishonestly, claimed that she cares about
Southern border. Even though when she came into office, they bragged about undoing all of Donald Trump successful border policies. They did exactly that. And then we had the massive migraine Invasion that we've seen in the last three
years. And I think it was good on you in the debate with Tim Waltz when they fact-checked you. They tried to Fack you check you and say that this is always been in place and you stepped up its and don't know this app is new and this app was specifically used for shipping. Yes. And now they're using it to schedule people to
Legally come into the country. Here's, here's the question. Sure. Why, why is this happening? What do you think? I mean, obviously speculation a little bit, but what do you think the motivation of allowing this to take place and the disproportionate number of people that have moved to swing states which is also like a little suspicious.
So depends on how many, how many tinfoil hats do you have in this regard? Because like I got a wardrobe. We can get real serious about this real quick or pretty, pretty crazy very quickly. Look, I think what is obvious
It is. And I've seen this in the halls of Congress. I've seen it very explicitly, you talk about lobbying, and we obviously talked about in the context of other Industries. There was a massive corporate Lobby for cheap labor in the United States of America. And that is, I think the main thing that's going on to think about this. If you've got millions of illegal aliens, okay, let me tell you story in 2017. 2018, well, I was in the private sector. I was at a business conference dinner and I was seated next to the CEO of one of the largest
hotel chains in America. This is, I think, probably 2018 and the guy is going on and on about how much he hates Donald Trump, and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Like, why do you hate Donald Trump so much? Because, again, I was, I was sort of a trump skeptic in 2015. And at this point, I was kind of, you know, starting to really get get on the Trump train. And he said, well, the reason, as I, the reason I hate Donald Trump, he says, is because Donald Trump's border policies have cut down the number of illegal immigrants and because I can't pay illegal immigrants under the table anymore. I have
Pay American workers, and they want much higher wages. And I was like this guy just admitted, it was like, holy shit. This guy just
admitted, I'm gonna wear. I'm better than straight
up Monopoly man, evil shit. This guy admitted to, and I was like, you know, my wife who's very apolitical. She was actually at the dinner with me and she's like, come
again. You just said, you don't want
Americans to get decent wages. Like, that is the best argument for Donald Trump's immigration policy is that American workers are getting
In higher wages. And this is why this corporate CEO hates it. So, whatever the industry has you've got a lot of people who want cheap labor and they don't want to pay American workers, higher wages. That's a big part of it. I do think there's also a power Dynamic to it, in particular. I think Kamala Harris in the Democrats. They want to give these millions upon millions of illegal aliens. The right to vote. They want to legalize them. They want to make it easier for them to participate in our elections and that means fundamentally the end of American democracy because you're not about 25 million people here.
Kamala Harris gives 10 million of those people, legal status and allows them to vote in American elections. Then you say, 70/30 they go. Democrat Republicans will never win a national election in this country, in my lifetime.
And the only way to get them on your side was be, would be the Republicans offer the same services and maybe even be more generous and letting illegals in exactly. I mean, you would have to literally beat them at their own game. Like, I'm gonna give you a free,
House. Yeah, no. I mean, yeah,
you know, lifetimes probably overstating it. But you'd have to, it would take 30 years for the Republicans getting to get to a point where we could even compete with these these newcomers. But again, it will have degraded the voting power of the people who have the legal right to be here. And it wasn't as you're through, generates blue forever. The same way they've done California. Exactly. And we saw this. Look, I'm like a Reagan guy, right? I'm a Conservative Republican, but Reagan screwed up a lot. He screwed up mental health in this country. People don't talk nearly enough about honesty thing. He really screwed up.
MSC thing, he really screwed up. Yeah, and people always say, well, you know, Ronald Reagan, you know, when they critics of Donald Trump will say, well, look at how Reagan talked about immigration because of what Ronald Reagan did if the 1986 amnesty, California is now effectively permanently Blue State
except when Arnold one
but Arnold ran as a super moderate Republican, he was a major celebrity, right? He was at the height of his celebrity power and he still he still one barely even though California
Nia had been mismanaged, California is a one-party State because of Ronald Reagan's
amnesty. And that's the fear is that the entire country could become one
the entire country becomes that. Now it also you may not appreciate this, but even if you don't give people the right to vote it really distorts Congressional apportionment and then the Electoral College, you know, this works.
Yes to book. So and its people please.
Okay. So how many, you know, we have 435 congressional seats who the way that you draw those congressional districts is that
Try to draw them evenly based on population so that everybody has equal representation right? One-person. One-vote fundamental principle of American law, but you don't just count the American citizens. You also count the illegal aliens. And so, for example, the state of Ohio lost to congressional seat in the last census and states that have high illegal, immigrant populations picked up congressional seats, so you're actually taking away congressional representation from American citizens and giving it to illegal aliens, even if you don't give them the right to vote.
Vote your still destroying the voting power of Americans because it's based on population based on population, including illegal immigrant,
is there a way to change it? So that it's only based on legal American citizen?
Well, Donald Trump tried a proposal that Democrats went nuts over and litigated was litigated in the courts. So, we would have to try again that would ask citizenship status during the US Census, the idea being that if you ask more people, their citizenship status
You get fewer people who are answering that question. I think that we should make it. And I do think this, this would require an act of Congress, but I think that it would be constitutional is we should just say that illegal. Aliens are not counted for purposes of congressional representation. Yeah, the Democrats would call that racist but it's just common sense policy.
Especially if it's been shown that you're manipulating it by moving more people to these places and even if they're not legal citizens and they can't vote, it still counts as congressional seats. Correct. That's kind.
Crazy. That's exactly right. It doesn't, I the the one that drives me the most crazy. Is this idea that somehow or another? It's discriminatory to require ID to vote. That could only mean I've tried to look at this from the most charitable position outside of. It only makes sense if you're trying to cheat, it's exactly right. This using an ID for everything. Yeah. Do you not eat a Rent-A-Car?
Well, you know, it's basically a legal now in California. Yes. To ask for votes.
Friday,
which is crazy, which is totally insane. But, you know, my, my my view and I'm sure you got many, many listeners in the great state of California. The next time you're pulled over by a police officer, just tell them that you're on your way to vote. I've
seen that name. Yeah, think about this. But you
can't, if you can't require people to show voter ID that I think you're in fighting fraud into your system. And there's also something implicitly very racist about this because what they say is, voter ID means that black people aren't going to
Vote. Well, number one, if you look at polls the same level of support for voter ID exist, in the black community is in the white Community is about 75. 80 percent of blacks, 7580 percent of whites support voter ID, but they're basically saying that black people can't get identification. When they say that voter ID is racist, their implicitly saying black people can't get identification. I think that's an actual racist concept concept. I actually assume that my fellow or the black citizens are my fellow Americans and they
The same thing that every other citizen can do, which is good identification.
Yeah, it's fundamentally just
gaslighting. It's yeah, that's
right. It's all it is. It's just, you're trying hard to make your point because you want people to be able to vote that, maybe should it be voting? And then there's all these lawsuits where they're counting votes that they know to be illegitimate. Well, they're saying that there's a certain amount of people that are in the system that they're going to. They want to keep in there. Yeah, which is crazy. So, you're saying, you want people, that shouldn't be allowed to vote to vote.
They say that they don't want.
Illegal aliens or legal voters to vote the Harris Administration right now is litigating a lawsuit against the governor of Virginia, because the governor of Virginia, using a state law kicked about 1,500 people, or maybe it was, 6500, it was, it was some some number of people off the Virginia voter rolls because they checked a box that said they were non-citizen. Well, if you're not citizen, you can't be on the voter rolls. So he kicked all of the non-citizens off, the voter rolls Harris is suing, Glenn Young.
And the, the department of justice under Kamala Harris is suing him to ensure that those voters go back on the voter
rolls, there's no argument or makes any sense.
There's no argument for this other than you want to facilitate
cheating, but the fact that the left has no problem with this because they just want to win is insane, but who's going to
hold their feet to the fire? Who's going to tell the honest truth? The American Media has barely even covered. The fact that in the middle of a very consequential president of presidential election. Kamala Harris is Department of Justice is suing
to keep illegal voters on the voter rolls.
It's crazy, it's wild. So, it's like, for Trump to win. He has to win by an enormous margin. I think overcome a lot of this
shenanigan. Well, it's President. Trump says, we want to make it too big to rig. I mean, look, I encourage all of your listeners, whether you agree with us on all the issues or not. If you agree with censorship, then, vote Kamala Harris and if you think Americans should be able to say what they want to say, then get out there and vote vote early vote by mail like that's obviously part of the reason why I'm here is I want to get people out.
To vote because I do think that we need to overwhelm the system with so many voters that we ensure that we get the representative government that we actually deserve as a country and that's not going to happen. Unless people get out there and vote
is one of the things that I think is an important issue that kind of gets put aside is, I know a lot of veterans in particular, and a lot of people with some severe trauma that I've had psychedelic therapy, and they've had to go to other countries to do it. They've done some of
vitya legally in America, but I know far too many guys who have had PTSD. We've had an incredible experience and been alleviated of all these and this help them just like help them tremendously. What
is it like MDMA or is it? What do you mean
was what Maps was using? There were running these studies and they got they got close to FDA approval but now they're being sent back to say they have to do more studies with the problem. It's like you
Really do double-blind placebo-controlled, studies on MDMA. Either you're on it or you're not on it. It's pretty obvious. You know. Yeah, sugar pills don't have the same effect. Yeah, it just doesn't but the therapy for people that are suffering from severe PTSD has been incredibly beneficial. They've shown that with the map studies but they've also shown it with like anecdotally. I know a bunch of different guys that have gone down to Mexico and had psilocybin Journeys, and all these different things where they've encountered these
These experiences that have made them sort of rethink who they are alleviated them of a lot of the stress and a lot of the the trauma that they've experienced and given them peace. And the, the concept of schedule 1 is that there's no better medical benefit, right? And if these people are experiencing, first of all, says, Stacia cessation of smoking people that have had issues with addiction, ibogaine, treatments, and other one that they found, which is not something that anyone would ever abuse.
I've never done it. But apparently it's an excruciating experience but the rate of curing addiction is tremendous from it. And these things have been denied, people have had denied access to it because of this scheduling issue, huh? Like there's a like we discussed it yesterday on the podcast. Like the ld50 rate was, like, lethal dose at 50% is impossible to achieve with psilocybin and yet it's still illegal and that there's all these
These people that have reported
suicides mushrooms, right?
Yes. And you know but you can synthesize it doesn't have to be see but the the scheduling of these things and particular like marijuana like marijuana is legal on a state level with, I think almost half the country now, if not more. Yeah, but yet federally illegal. And if you go to the history of why it was federally legal in the first place, it coincides with the what happened with prohibition of alcohol, right after
Probation of alcohol. They turned their eyes to marijuana and there was a lot of political influence by Harry anslinger and William Randolph Hearst, and there's a lot of maneuvering and that's where the Reefer Madness films came up and all this propaganda stuff. It was to make it illegal essentially, to make the textile, the the hemp illegal interesting. Okay, there's a long history to it, we it's basically more about the commodity of hemp that it was really about the drug itself. In fact, the the term
Hannah was never used for cannabis, which has been used for thousands and thousands years of term. Marijuana was created by William, Randolph, Hearst, and put in Hearst newspapers, it was originally marijuana, was a Mexican slang word for a wild tobacco, really? It has nothing. So they started writing these stories about blacks and Mexicans smoking. This new drug marijuana and raping white women and most of this has no idea. This history. It's so crazy. The story is so nuts, but it all came about
Because of a an invention called the décor Decatur and the décor Decatur is. It's an invention that allows them to economically and effectively process hemp fiber without slave labor. So when the cotton gin came along, people stopped using hemp as much because it's much more difficult to work with and they started using cotton for clothing. But before that they'd use hemp and this is non-psychoactive hemp. Yeah, it makes a superior paper, it does, there's there's a bunch of uses for it completely out.
Outside of the psychoactive aspect of it. William brand. There was the cover of was it Popular Science magazine, Popular Mechanics magazine hemp the new billion dollar crop and it was all about this invention. So then the propaganda machine goes into full scale and then they start this was in the 1930s. Okay. So they start here it is. The new billion dollar crop 1938 this is because of this invention the decor Decatur. So solves a problem we can see it there. Solves a problem more than 6,000 years old, hemp a crop that would not compete with other American Products.
Instead, it will displace Imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coolly and peasant labor, provide thousands of jobs for American workers throughout the land. So everyone has really high on hemp as a commodity. Because of this new machine that you could process hemp fiber with where you can make much more Superior. Paper, Superior clothing like it's like canvas literally can't the Mona Lisa was painted on hemp. The first draft, the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp. They used to use it for paperback the now. So then
Then William Randolph. Hearst, who owns? Hearst publication. And also owns all these paper mills and Forest filled with trees. Okay? So they can exactly. And so we're still trapped under this propaganda. That was distributed, the 1930s by incredibly powerful people. Yeah. And this is why it's illegal on the federal level and even though you have medical marijuana, that's been shown to help people with chemotherapy and wasting disease, help people that have appetite.
Problems and people in chronic pain, it's still listed as a schedule 1 drug federally which to me is unconscionable. Doesn't make any sense.
Okay. So like first of all we're not trying to be clear because I'm speaking as if I special candle, we're not trying to throw people in jail for smoking weed. That's like very much Something That We're Not Just in doing what is? I mean the one thing that I have like my attitude on this stuff is kind of Live and Let Live like keeping your home. I don't like
Smelling it, when I take my kids to the park. Right? But keeps on like, you know, it's that's good because I'm here. Yeah, exactly. But like, you know, keep it at home. I don't want to throw people prison. That's not what we're trying to do. I don't think might be drunk at the park either. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Same exact principle. The thing that I wonder about is if you you know I do there's a part of me that worries a little bit about kids. Yeah. Doing a lot of this stuff. Yes. But I wonder you know to your point about consent and the brains development and all these
As I really worry about. Do you have an increase in usage among minors? And so what I'd like to get is is some sort of legal regime that you know again it's not a criminally prosecuted and Prosecuting at all people for smoking a joint. But also where we can actually ensure that it's kept out of public spaces. That's kind of my attitude towards it and I think that's the right, the right approach mean on the second delicate thing. What is like, what would need to be done? Because I know to be clear. I know absolutely nothing about this. So This Is Me.
You know, asking a question, not committing to some public policy. Should be careful with this stuff especially six days from an election. But I had never heard about, you know, that because I'm a veteran to us for four years. The United States Marine Corps, went to Iraq, went to Haiti once and is there any like
Look what is the pathway I guess or what do you think should happen for veterans accessing
psychedelics? Well there's so many anecdotal stories about veterans experiencing relief that I think it should be available to them especially veterans. I think that we put our veterans through but is it
like an FDA thing is making it possible for them to get the therapy?
Okay. Yes. And it's also the way it's scheduled you know it's this he does
because the schedule one is it. Yeah but like like if it had a medical use
Will you would get it off of schedule 1? Yes. So why aren't we? I'm just fascinated by. This is the first time I've heard about this is why aren't we testing? Whether there is? Yeah, Fair Point. You can't do a double-blind placebo-controlled study, but you can definitely still study whether this helps people or not. Why are we doing that? Or are we doing that? I'm just not aware of it.
Well, we're definitely not doing it. I mean, there's been some research. John Hopkins. Did some research on psychedelics and they found similar benefits. There's also dangers
Like any anything that has profound effects on the human mind, there's certain people that are very vulnerable and those people should not be taking these things. There's people that have a hard time with regular reality. You know, they're barely hanging on regularly. Yeah. And but I think the people that are not should have access to that because I believe in Freedom and I believe in the freedom to explore things that have great benefits and I keep going back to Veterans because I think we require an insane thing of them. We take
Regular people who live in civilized society we send them over to Afghanistan and Iraq and have them engaged in the absolutely most brutal things that people do with just War, they see their friends blown apart, they get shot, they see people die. They have to kill people and then they come back here and then there's supposed to just acclimate. Yeah, and there's no guidelines, there's no way to do it. There's no, no one can coach you through it, and a lot of these guys wind up killing themselves and it's a very high amount and
You know, Shawn Ryan, you've done his show. Ya love, Sean Riley, lunch, love, Sean, Ryan. Sean Ryan was talking about the experience that I had with him. Completely changed his life. He stopped drinking, he became a much. I know idea. Compassionate sensitive person. He
talked about like foreign policy and Veterans stuff. We didn't talk about this.
That's the kind of Navy SEAL mean, he's seen a lot of shit. He see a lot of shit. Yeah, so it's just yeah, that's the job and you come back over here and you're supposed to just be normal and there's no help at least for those people.
Like look, I might
To do is we should help veterans, get the mental health. They need, mental mental, health treatment, they need and be less screwed up by all that stuff. We should be doing whatever we can I guess I just don't understand. Why aren't we? Like is this a farm? A lobbying thing? As I'm sure you're not. Expecting it up thing. Like because I'm always wondering like, what, why are we not actually solving problems? And this is a problem, I know nothing about sorry. I know a lot about veteran suicides and Veteran mental health. This this proposed solution
Like, literally the
first time you can get real cynical as to what's the resistance. You could say, the companies that make psychotropic, drugs, ssris, and the like, and companies that have a vested interest in continuing to sell these things would not want something that causes people to have a profound psychological change that doesn't require them to be on these things anymore. There could be an impact in that but I also think it's also a lot of ignorance. Yeah. Have you read
this book? Bad therapy? No, okay, it's good.
I've heard it's good. Yeah.
So the middle hell thing in the United States is really, really worrisome because, you know what, I talked about, obviously, we have a big gun violence problem, the United States of America. And I talk about mental health, because obviously that's a part of what's going on here. It's what they say is. Well, every other country has mental health, meaning Advocates of strict gun laws. Say every other country has mental health problems, but they don't have the same gun violence problem that we do. It's actually not totally true.
If you look at like SSRI prescriptions selective serotonin reuptake Inhibitors, it's like Prozac that category of mental health. Therapeutics we take something like six times as much as our peer countries economically. So clearly there's something with mental health treatment United States. That is very, very broken.
There's also a direct correlation between School, shooters, Mass Shooters and ssris really? Yeah. Oh yeah. The most of the people that have can that have committed
Did mass shootings and not caring about gang shootings but a bunch of them are on psychotropic drugs and everybody wants to blame. I know it man. Oh yeah, that's crazy because you can find out what the numbers I know. The Columbine kids were on psychotropic drugs. I know there's been a ton of schemes, waiters prescribed, you're gonna lose ya? We'd no, no, prescribed psychotropic drug huh. Prescribed psych psychiatric drugs. And that if you bring that up, you
You are taking away from this argument, they want to say what they want to blame everything on the guns. It's all about gun control and we need more gun control, like the gun is a tool. There's more guns in this country than there are human beings.
Okay, I've made this, I made this argument. At the debate should be the idea that you can profit on regulate your way out of this problem. Right? Is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. We have so many Firearms, the United States of America that even if I bought into the gun control argument, you're never going to be able to get sufficient.
Guns off the streets, right? So it's
ridiculous. We have
to we have to actually go after some of the root causes here. It also ignores me like Finland. For example, has a lot of guns does not have nearly the same problem with these Mass shooters that we do. I'd be interested to see what their their mental health drug. Usage rate is
to, did you ever see Ted Nugent debate Pierce Morgan on gun violence?
No, I never did. It's pretty good. It's really
good. Ted smart guy. He's a very smart guy, but
Ted actually knows the statistics. So when Pierce was bringing up all the mass shootings and all the gun violence shootings Ted said, do you know what they really are? Do you know how many of them are suicide? Do you know, how many of them are gang violence? Do you know, how many of them are cops? Shooting bad, guys? Do you know how many of them are actually Mass
Shooters? But yeah, that's yeah, I did know. That actually the most, when we talk about gun violence problem, what we're really talking about primarily is
Gang violence. Yes. Right. That's where. That's where a lot of the gun violence. I think a majority of the gun violence is coming from, which is not to say, it's not a problem, right? But it's not the same problem that I obviously gathers most of the
headlines. Right? And this idea that just getting the guns out of people's hands. You got to
bail. We're good. I'm okay, I'm good. If you
are the guy. Yeah, the idea that you're going to take guns away from everyone, you're going to solve the problem. Looks like you're still going to have people that are out of their mind and they want to commit violence and they're going to find another way to do it. Like we
We, we've had other ways that people have killed, a lot of people because they were sick. Yeah. Because they're out of their minds, right? And the fact that no one wants to look at this connection between psychiatric drugs, and mass shootings is kind of insane. Have you found anything that shows like the data on? That's pretty wild.
No proof. There's a paper that of course. Yeah. So I'm trying to find out that time. Is that Central Time, right? It's 12:19 right now. So we probably all like 15, 20 more because I have to do this event with Tulsi and Pennsylvania. Yeah what is this going to air? But whoa sorry tomorrow we have some more great or
today. Okay today
tonight. Fantastic anyway so yeah. What are you doing with Tulsi? We're doing veterans Town Hall. As a matter of fact, add a, I think we're doing Western PA but I need to check. I never know where I'm going from day to day but
Yeah, she obviously cares a lot about veterans issues and you know the most important veterans issue is, yeah, the mental health thing really matter is but it's that we shouldn't be sending them to stupid Wars.
Well, that was one of the most insane things that Hillary Clinton did when she tried to say that. She was a Russian agent. Like so much bullshit, man. I had is so crazy. This woman, crazy served overseas twice. She was a congresswoman for eight years and you show
Hillary Clinton. By the way, who's not
I served in the military at all and his you know at least her husband and her daughter having served in the military at all. As her immediate family hasn't like, give me a break
on this who's deployed in medical unions. I mean that's what literally where she got that streak of gray, in her hair,
Tulsi is a like legitimate servant to the United States of America and the accusation that she's not comes from people who want to send Americans, two Wars that have no connection to our national interest. I mean, this is the biggest difference I think between
Kamala Harris and Donald Trump is actually foreign policy and there are three issues management. I've learned this in my own brief political career. There are three issues where you are not allowed to challenge. The Establishment. One is trade, you know, you have to be pro-free trade, everything is good. Let as many Chinese slave labor made products in your country as possible. Even if it destroys native industries, that is number one, the most important issue to our establishment. Number two, most important issue is immigration and the number three,
Important issue is foreign policy and maybe actually foreign policies the biggest, because if you criticize the wars and you criticize American foreign entanglements, that is where people get really fun. What is the root of that? You think? I think some of us in anshel, right? I mean, you know, Liz Cheney once her board seat at Raytheon and everywhere else. That's, that's part of what's driving and of course, our dad was a major owner or I believe that he owned a pretty significant stink at Halliburton, but I actually think I don't want to work.
I hate that because I actually don't think that's most of what's going on. And I this is maybe a background view that I have that. I should interrogate a little bit more but I tend to think that people aren't expressly financially motivated. I think they're much better rationalizing. Their financial motivation is somehow good. So I don't think Liz Cheney to be fair even though I can't stand her wakes up and says oh I want to get rich. So I'm gonna support the Ukraine war so that Raytheon could continue making all these missiles. I think, what's going on is they have
Vince themselves that the post-world war, two American consensus. This entire idea that we're going to remake the entire world in America's image, they think that, that is the most important, the most valuable project, and they don't care. They're going to, they're going to do it as much as they can. Even though, I think it's run, its course. I think we should have learned that Iraq. We can't turn everybody into the United States of America, nor should we want to, but these guys can't quite give up on it. It's just a powerful psychological motivation. You go back to when the
Soviet Union fell right when the Berlin Wall fell in the late 80s, early 90s. There was this sense among American leaders, right? Bill Clinton takes over 1992 that we had reached what was called at the time, the end of history, that Western liberal democracy was going to Triumph, everybody was going to be like us. There was no going to be no more ethnic conflict. No more religious conflicts, no more regional conflict. And I think these guys bought the idea so profoundly that they can't
Really wake up and recognize that for the past 40 years we've tried their theories in the theories. Haven't
worked. This is also the craziest thing that happened to me during this campaign was when Dick Cheney endorse Kamala Harris and the left went crazy. Yay Dick Cheney's on her side,
like craziest thing a guy. Look at what they say about.
Big changes all Trump. How much you hate Donald Trump, the your worries. You're willing to choose Dick Cheney over a man and that Dick Cheney is all sudden a good guy. The the end,
Near behind the Iraq War was responsible for the how many people
dead you know hundreds of thousands? Maybe millions of Arabs, certainly thousands of Americans, the biggest world historical catastrophe. I think in the history the United States of America was the Iraq War because unlike other mistakes that we've made, it was truly unforced. There was no reason in hindsight to do it. There was nothing that we got out of it. We lost. I mean, so many innocent people. We spent trillions of dollars, we I
Destroyed the social cohesion that we had gotten after 9/11. Because remember, like after 9/11, everybody was an American, we're all on the same team, Democrat a republican. We destroyed that and we created in Iraq, effectively, a proxy of Iran, which it's telling now that 20 years later, the biggest foreign policy threat that we face in the Middle East. Is Iran. And we created a massive Ally of the Iranians in the Iraqis and none of the people who actually presided over
Over that disastrous thing, huh? Maybe we really really screwed up and maybe we should re-evaluate some of our assumptions.
There's only a few days left. How much of a chance? Do you think Trump has to win this? Are you confident or is it closed? I'm confident, I'm
is closed, but I am confident because it's close, but it's closed in a way that favors us. Write the undecided voters, tend to be voters who are more aligned with us. I think the early voting data
Really good. I think that, you know, people just fundamentally don't want to do more of the same and Kamala Harris is more of the same. I think some of our arguments that Kamala Harris is the voter is, the candidate of censorship is starting to, really break through, but, you know, to your listeners. If you agree with what I've said here, get out there and vote because like, there is something to be said for me and Donald Trump actually sat and had a conversation. And, you know, hopefully, I didn't make a complete fool of myself, but they just don't do that right? Like, why?
Why would we make a person who's terrified of talking about what she wants to do? And what she believes? Why would make her a present United States? The only way to make that not happen is to vote for me and Trump on or before November the 5th. So it's very important. I feel good about it but I don't feel great about it because there are a lot of ways in which Democrats are going to try to motivate their base. Down the stretch there are a lot of ways in which. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't put it past him. Maybe they do try to cheat, I don't know exactly what it looks like in five or six.
Days. But I know that the best thing that we can do to prevent that from happening. Is to get out there, make our voices heard. All
right thanks man. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you. Thank you too.
