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This is the dumbest fucking movie. Do you know Magic the Gathering is now racist. I don't know what magic the Gathering is somewhere the game that the nerds play. Oh, sorry. How is it? How is it racist? I don't know. It's just read. I only saw the title of the article that they're trying to cancel Magic the Gathering. I'm like, oh Christ,
I thought that's what you guys liked. I thought they liked Magic the Gathering. I have no everything's everything's everything's problematic. Everyone's getting cancelled. It's amazing. How many people did blackface? Yeah, it's very strange. It's very strange. It's very strange. I was on it was on Primetime TV. Yeah a bunch of times. Yeah. I mean like in the modern world aren't on TV Jimmy Fallon was doing well. He's doing a Chris Rock impression.
By the way, you used to be able to do when I was in high school. My friends were mr. T for Halloween. Nobody gave a fuck. Nobody was like Jimmy what's wrong with you? Everybody's like, oh you're mr. T for Halloween. It was never like a problem. It's very it's a very strange thing, you know, like you can do white face. No problem. Here it is. What is Magic the Gathering invoke Prejudice card. So it's a it's an enchantment card which restricts the Caster's opponents. Only using summons that match the skin.
color of their opposing creatures
Huh? This is why you brought me on to talk about this. I should leave now about about magic the Gathering. This is why I'm here man, wearing a bad way shows how fucked up everything is. Yeah. There's a lot of thin skin out there right now. Apparently, I just don't I mean, it seems like a perfect storm. Like if you wanted to engineer the downfall of society you would do it in several steps. You would have a reality show president where everybody's mad at them and then
then all the Liberals get their feathers in a ruffle and everybody gets real super uptight and and then there's this big divide between the left and the right that's kind of, you know manufactured and then you'd have this disease just lock everyone inside. Yeah unprecedented lock. It shut down the economy force people to not work. So if your business falls apart, you could be the most hard-working diligent disciplined person who's always at work an hour early always has your eyes dotted and your t's crossed and you
Still go broke, you're still fucked and then you have this George Floyd thing and then boom. It just ignites the Powder Keg the other thing that you have to wrap around all this is the social media, which is you know, I'm only going to post things that are just going to completely make everyone that sees whatever I'm posting emotional and and filled with rage whether you're on the left or on the right my goal is to enrage people. That's the goal and then that just gets spun up.
Up over and over. So you're taking all these little incidents and you're multiplying them times thousands and thousands of views. No it's an end. And then on top of that mainstream media is the same thing, right? It's not like there's a huge difference between what the mainstream media shows and what social media they're both is most a most emotional media. Just trying to make people emotional which is the worst possible thing. No one makes good decisions when they're emotional. No, I spent my adult life trying to train humans to not get emotional in pressure situations.
Because it's gonna end up bad every single time every single time and yet that's what our that's what our society is based on right now, but it's based on these emotional reactions. Yeah, because of social media, I think and because of things like YouTube and user-created content where anybody can kind of make videos so many things are vying for folks attention that mainstream media has resorted to click Beatty cut type shit. Whether it's New York Times articles which you know used to be Beyond reproach.
Watch that. They're they're gone. Social justice Warrior and click Beatty and all these other websites are a hundred percent. Click Beatty. That's the only way they can get people to pay attention. Like I saw like the dumbest fucking article. I couldn't believe how dumb it was. It was an article on Ozark is like has Ozark been canceled and I'm like fuck they canceled that show that shows amazing. So then I click on the article. The entire article is about a guy who couldn't find season 1 on Ozark because there was a glitch
And then he found it and so it's not quite so the whole article was just bullshit there, but they got me they get everybody got you to collect their advertising dollars because they can show the engagement with the audience. Exactly. Well, here's a good one. CNN showed a guy got shot yesterday in San Bernardino Hispanic man got shot in San Bernardino. So that's the title. The title of the article is Hispanic man gets gunned down by the police in San Bernardino with a
Leave out is the guy had a gun and was shooting at the cops. So this guy's Got a Gun. There's photos of this gentleman with a gun and there's a cop on his knees about the shoot. The guy the guy standing in front of a gas station. There's gas pumps. I mean, I may be felt like they wouldn't shoot at him because the gas tanks were right behind him. The the pumps were right behind them. But why would they leave that out guy with gun in gunfight with cops dies is the right title not
Hispanic man gunned down by cops, like they're literally trying to incite anger and violence. They know that you read that and you say Hispanic man shot by cops, like these motherfuckers their murderers, they won't stop and they leave out this picture of this man with a gun pointing it.
You're looking at me like I'm going to say some kind of really profound answer. I got nothing for you because because of you're exactly right that what is it? What do they set up that headline for? It's an outrage people anyone that actually opens it up and Regents would actually probably say something like hmm. Sounds like the cops did a good job on that one and kill the bad guy before he blew up a gas station in her it killed a bunch of innocent people, but that's that's obviously not that I think if you try to write a headline the other way how these heroic cops.
Man with gun eliminate him before he can cause Terror in this neighborhood. That would be a nice headline to read but you're not going to see it. You know, I'm not today because it's not going to drive enough people crazy today. If your wife tweets all lives matter, you can get you can get
fired.
You see he doesn't even have to be you anymore. Yeah all lives matter. Just imagine a time where saying all lives matter is so controversial that you could get fired didn't that happen?
Open to a soccer player or something. Yes, a soccer player's wife tweeted something like
that.
Yeah, the guy who runs the Kings or the guy who is the commentator for the Kings they fired him, you know, and then this is a lot of it is this right? So people are feeling a certain way and they're not they're not feet like this girl that wrote all lives matter. Do you think that was her clandestine way of showing that she's all about white pride, you know what I mean know she was thinking hey everyone matters. She's probably having some nice thought, you know, she's
Then all of a sudden know this chick is evil right for doing this and I think there's a lot of that. I think that a lot of people that I think most people are.
Pretty sane I think most people are pretty reasonable. I think you know anybody looking at at the Gorge Floyd cases like yeah, that's completely wrong. That's disgusting. It's horrible tanous to watch. I haven't heard anyone say other anything other than that. So, how are we just getting so completely divided on this whole thing and start attacking people start attacking each other just over over absolutely everything. That's a good point because this is literally a case where no one
Is saying there's nothing wrong with that cop did no one no one zero people zero people but yet everybody still at each other's throats zero people have have stuck up that guy in any way shape or form even law enforcement. No law enforcement people saying you gotta understand this is how you control the man. You got to lean on his neck for about eight minutes 40 40 45 seconds 46 seconds.
No one's saying that and unfortunately what you know what you know what they're saying, they're saying defund the police. Yeah, they're saying no more chokeholds, right? Which I think it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, if you want to get someone to be under control and you can't choke them. You know what you have to do. You have to hit him in the head with a baton. Yeah seven times and you got to risk giving him brain damage permanently injuring them if people know what they're doing. I mean, obviously if people know what they're doing
We'll put a joke on the wake up. They'll be cuffed. Yeah, we're all good. Yeah, obviously, but you know, it's the people that are doing it wrong is the problem the people that shouldn't be doing in the first place. It's untrained people. It's but if you're if you're a you're a cop and you're a fight for your life and you can't use chokeholds, that's fucking crazy. Insane. You're going to get shot and killed or somebody else is gonna get shot and killed someone's gonna take your gun. Yeah and and the idea of defund the police and I
first and the premise. Okay, and this is once again where many people that say defund the police they don't mean. Hey just get rid of police. Of course. There's there's a fraction of people that are saying defund the police means we don't want any more police anymore. There's a portion of people saying that there's some people are saying well if we defund the police we can relocate some of that money and we can do you know better schools and we can put money into the infrastructure inside these neighborhoods, but here's the problem
You know what the police need more than anything else, they need money for training and the way the police departments are set up. They do the most ridiculously miniscule amount of training for what their job is. So as you know, I was in the SEAL Teams, we would train for 18 months 18 months. We were trained to go on a six-month deployment cops. They train they get like two hours or four hours of combatives training.
A year a year.
That's that's complete Insanity Insanity. It's complete Insanity. The thing I've been saying is cops should train one fifth of the time one fifth of the time. You should be training whether it's two hours a day four times a week or whether it's one day a week where you're going to go and you're going to go through scenarios. You're going to do combatives. You're going to work with simunition you're going to do D escalation drills because it's really hard. I mean being a cop is I think is the hardest job in the world. And by the way, they're not going after.
About defunding the police because no one's going to want to be a cop anymore who is going to be fired up to be a cop right? Now. Who's going to think you know what when I grow up I want to be hated by entire, you know by Massive portion of the country. I want to be viewed as someone that's that kills innocent people the recruiting in cop for police going to go down so hard it's going to be ridiculous. It's going to be big as and then who you getting there you're going to get people that are worst level people.
The worst level humans are going to show up to be cops. So the training piece though. They should do very very scenario driven training right where you come into a room and this isn't like super expensive stuff, either you come into a room. There is a person there they appear to be compliant. You ask you you learn how to talk to him. You very quickly learned that instead of yelling them out of the out of the gate you say. Hey, man, what's going on? Hey, what's your name? You know what's going on?
We got a call here. Is everything okay? You just immediately deescalate.
Then you learn what to do when they're not when they don't respond the way you want them to respond. Then you learn what to do when they start to do something drastic. What's the best thing for you and you play through these scenarios? It's just like Jiu-Jitsu in the fact that what makes you just a good what makes you two good as we can go hard against each other over and over again and not really get hurt not really get killed. So you get really good at it. That's what you need to do in training for police. You need to go through these tough scenarios over and over again because you do get better at
You do get better at it. You become you learn how to mentally detach and not get emotional and realize that there's other things that are happening. When you see the gorge Floyd case a couple of other cops to I think two of the other guys were complete rookies, right? They've been on the force for a very short period of time no one in that group of four. Obviously, you got the killer himself. He's actually conducting the ACT, but all the other guys are not paying attention. They're they're all
all emotional themselves. Hey stay back and and they're probably watching him saying what's why isn't that guy moving and they're just caught up in it. Whereas if someone would have showed up on the scene or one of those guys had been through some good training in their life. They would have said what's happening here. Hold on. My partner over there has been on this guy for two minutes. He's not moving anymore. I'm going to walk over and say hey man, let me take over. I got this deep go over there decompress. This takes training you have to train people and I got I saw this over and over again in the
Tim's training guys you get a young kid that's coming through training for the first time and they go into a room in there getting shot with simunition bullets or there someone yelling and screaming or that we put we'd put Arabic women come and walking out of rooms. We'd have people get blown up with wounds we would do this to them over and over again. So they realize okay. I just gotta relax. I got to take a step back. I gotta detach from this situation so I can process what's happening in I can make a good decision because as I said earlier, no one is making a
good decision when they're panicked when they're freaked out when they're scared as a Jiu-Jitsu guy when someone puts hands on you, you're not actually scared, right? You're like, oh, okay. I know what to do here. If you don't know Jiu-Jitsu if you've never had someone grabbed me before or you haven't had someone grab you in 17 months or 14 months. No one's laid hands on you because you got a badge and a gun. So people when you tell them do something 95% of time they go. Okay, you don't wanna get in trouble, but then somebody grabs you you're instantly your
Our spiked your adrenaline Spike and the only way to overcome that is through consistent training that happens on a regular basis. You can't just train somebody one time. It's like ring rust, you know, you can't just train somebody one time and I'll now I don't need to train anymore. No, you need to do continuous training. So that fact right there. We if we want to if you want to help the police through these situations we need to invest more money into them. We need to get them better training. We need to pull.
Them out of the field to train and pull them out of the field to decompress because you ever done a ride-along know like you whether you're doing a ride-along whether you're going into any situation where you're thinking you could be killed and even if it's just a remote chance, but you're doing that all the time all the time and you're hearing your seen on the news your oh, you're here this your buddy got shot your buddy got whatever this other guy got, you know, take his gun taken away like that stuff.
Happens that stuff happens people get killed. I mean there's been I think has been 31 cops killed this year 31 cops killed this year and a lot of those That's not including, you know, like a car accident or covid. There's been a bunch of guy that covid but just people that have been engaged with bad guys, and they got killed so you're a cop
When another cop gets killed your thinking that could be you so that's your mindset and that mindset builds in that mindset builds and you're working 10-hour days and you're working 12-hour days and there's no training and there's no brakes. Where do you end up right? Where do you end up you end up being a little bit paranoid you end up being a little bit angry what happens when you get in a fight with your wife, you know, it's like all these things you add them together. It's a freaking hard job and from a from a like an entire.
Systemic way of training and recruiting and and keeping police ready to do their job whatever that job entails because let's face it most of the time that in job entails. Well, I guess most of the time it entails. Hey, I'm gonna go have a bad about to go have a bad relationship with another human being that's what's about to happen. Right whether I'm pulling you over whether I'm I've been called to your house because you were yelling and screaming and people heard your wife screaming or whatever. That's what's happening. I'm showing up in a bad.
Jep you don't like me and I already don't like you that's where we start that's where we start. So we got to train people for that. We also got to train them for all the times that they go in to help people save people the first people on the scene at car accidents people are bleeding out we got to train them for that and then they have to also be trained for hey, this is a bad guy that's going to this is the guy that you just talked about at a gas station with a weapon that wants to kill a bunch of people you got to be prepared for that whole Spectrum as a police officer and yet we send them to a 3.
a month-long police academy and then we send them out in the street and that's what they do day in day out day in Day Out
It seems to me that they need to be vetted too much better than they are now just like the seals like you can't get through buds. Unless you are a superior human being you have to be able to tolerate a bunch of shit that most people are going to fall apart during and this is this seems to me that this is a great way to weed out people that just don't have it. Yeah, there's
Well one thing that's interesting just from a physical perspective. Most police departments don't even have a minimum physical requirement to continue to be on the force that you have to be at a certain level to graduate from the academies, but oftentimes there's no standard beyond that. Yeah. I've seen cops before the real like this is hilarious. Like what is going to stop someone from closing the distance on you like you you ain't getting to that gun? Yep, but the mental aspect is stuff that you can get better at
You can get better at it. But you only get better at it through training. Right and you only get really comfortable through training a lot and yet we put these people in these horrible positions over and over and over again and we get we don't give them the proper training and now there's this politicians that because of the current social climate. They're encouraged to want to defund the police. That's a great way for them to get brownie points from their constituents. The people want the
Police defunded which is to it's the dumbest idea I've ever heard in my life. It's so crazy that this is actually gaining steam to the point where in Minneapolis because they're trying to quiet down the mob. They've actually gone ahead and done it. What the fuck is Minneapolis going to look like in a year from now. It's going to look like Mad Max. I'm it's going to be crazy that's going to be it's going to be crazy. It's going to be a you know, criminals will go there to commit crimes if there's no if there's no police there. Are you crazy by the way, that's jogo energy.
The
shit that's very legit, right? Yeah. I just don't understand where they think this game ends. Then. I don't think they've planned it out. They're not playing chess the other the other thing that you know, you're talking about this brownie points for the politicians and and there's brownie points and there's people trying to create sides. It's my side versus your side and that's a completely political thing. Right and all that does is
Kris The Divide between the police and the civilians and and this reminds me a lot of of counterinsurgency, right so counterinsurgency. The insurgents are you know bad guys inside of a country the country is not bad the there's some bad guys in a country. So what you have to do is you actually have to go out and build relationships with the good people inside that country so that the good people inside that country can help.
You get rid of the bad people what happens if you go out and it's so this is ramadi Iraq. This is what my last deployment to Iraq. There's a bunch of just totally normal good people Iraqi people that are living in the city of ramadi. What do they want to do? You know what they want to do. They want to send their kids to school. They want to run their little market they want to do whatever that whatever is they do that's what they want to do. They have the same goal as a normal family. They're just a normal bunch of people and
Side that group of people there's a bunch of bad people and these are insurgents. Some of them are foreign Fighters. Some of them are foreign regime elements from Saddam, but they're bad and they want to create chaos and Mayhem. So Americans we go in there if we go in there super heavy handed and while I go to capture or kill one bad guy. I kill or maim a couple of those normal civilians what happens well a couple of those normal civilians family go wait, you guys aren't good.
You guys are bad. You guys just killed my brother and he didn't do anything wrong.
And then we do it again and then we do it again and then we do it again and each time that we do this where we're creating more animosity from the local populace. Who by the way, like I said, they're just not good normal people. So what we had to do is really focus on going out and building relationships with the local populace. How do we do that? And one of the things this this happened after I left but you remember the surge that took place and they sent a bunch more troops over there.
Part of the reason that they sent that Surge and part of the reason that that was allowed to happen was because the Battle of ramadi where I fought went very well and since it went well people said well, maybe maybe we can pull this off so they sent more troops and one of the directives that General Petraeus gave is he said there can be no more drive by counterinsurgency and what he meant that by that was when you go to a neighborhood. You can't just drive through the neighborhood in your Humvee.
You're bulletproof Humvee with your windows up drive-through show of force and then leave that doesn't work. What you have to do is stop your vehicles. You have to get out. You have to talk to the local populace to have to ask him what's going on. You have to ask them if they need anything. You have to build relationships with the local populace the good local populace that just wants those insurgents out of there. And that's what I don't see happening and the more we increase this divide between the police and the civilians the worst that's going to get
Yet and so the police have to start doing a better job of Outreach of hey, you know, I asked you if you did a ride-along they should be offering ride-alongs all the time till the local kids 17 year old kids 15 year old kids. Hey come and see what my job is like come and help me out that 15 year old kid. He knows who the Bad actors are. He knows who the good kids are, you know, bring that kid Along on a ride-along. Let him see what it looks like from your angle. Get out Meet the Parents meet the families. That's we're failing.
To build relationships between the police and the civilians and that causes that that that causes these problems. I think you're a hundred percent. Correct, but I don't hear anybody repeating what you're saying. That's what's terrifying to me. I think everything you're saying is logical and makes sense. It comes from experience. I don't hear anybody saying this. Yeah, and I well I think maybe it's because people just don't recognize what's happening because they're two in it right there to in it. They're they're wrapped up in it and
And that's another part. You know, I talked about recruiting who you recruiting recruit those kids recruit those kids, but you have to build a relationship with them before you can add before anyone's going to go into the police and looked I think it's the I think it's the LA Police Department. If you look at the LA Police Department compared to the racial makeup of Allah, they they're pretty equivalent and they're pretty equivalent on purpose. They do that for a reason. So you got to get that you got to continue to build that those
Asian ship so that we talk to one another, you know, we actually communicate with each other because anytime, you know, I'm allowed to sit over here in my area and you're sitting over there in your area. We're building animosity we build that kind of animosity between each other and now the littlest thing the littlest thing. I mean there was a woman that was killed in Minneapolis like two to three years ago. You remember this one? Yes female. Okay yoga instructor
Call the police the police called the police to report a disturbance police showed up and there's no video no footage. She gets killed by the cops. She gets killed by the cops. It's insane that these things happen, but we also have to remember.
What like I said what is a police officer thinking about and what kind of training and we give them and what kind of psychological screening to your point what kind of striking and it's not just one time psychological screening because guess what people get burnt out and it happens at different times to different people. You take 35 guys in combat. I've got some guys at the end of a six-month deployment there. You know what they're telling me. Can I stay longer? I'm doing fine. You get one month under that deployment. You've got other guys that are saying hey, do you need anyone to head home early?
That happens. So you think in a police force of a thousand people or whatever size your police force is you're going to have some people that are steady mentally stable they can deal with it. They can go they can they can get be in an officer-involved shooting today and tomorrow they can go back to the job and be perfectly fine. There's other people they could never work again after they're in an officer-involved shooting. What kind of investment are we making into this psychological health of police and look I hope it doesn't sound like I'm sitting here.
just putting it all on the police because everyone is playing a role in this and one of the things that you need to look at as well as
how to get arrested right there should be a public service course on how you should get arrested. This is what you should do. If the cops are pulling you over if the cops ask you if the cops approach you about something here's what you should think one of the things you should think is okay this cop may not be bad. This cop may be looking out for my welfare right now. That's a great hopeful thought the other thing that you have to think is kind of worst-case scenario this cop might be agitated this cop.
Be looking for somebody that fits my description this caught my buddy. Just been in a fight with his wife. He might have just lost a part of there's a million bad things use that scenario in your head use that scenario in your head to to to contemplate how you're going to interact with a police officer, which is you know, what they're looking at. They're looking at your hands. You know, why because that's where the threat comes from the threat comes from your hand. So when you're making quick movement with your heads don't do that listen to what they say move move slowly when you move this
It should be Public Service. The police should be putting out. Hey, if you interact with the police, we hate to have to say this, but since our police sometimes are in bad situations. Here's some things we recommend and we highly suggest and we beg we beg that you do this we beg because what happens to these cops when they kill somebody what happens to them their lives are just totally destroyed. Well, that was the thing about that guy in Minneapolis. He'd already killed people. He'd already been involved and I think it's at least two.
And he had more than a dozen complaints against him. Yeah, not good. Not even obvious by The End by the end result. Yeah, that's the type of guy. He was it's pretty obvious by the fact that he was able to do that to a man the guys literally calling out to his dead mother.
You know, I mean the the type of man that can stay on someone's neck while they're doing that. When all that guy did was have a counterfeit $20 bill. That's it.
This is where when you talk about psychological. Yeah screening and that that's why I'm saying it has to be it has to be constant. Yeah, because people people change. Yeah, right and red flags. I mean like you said hindsight's 20/20. We're looking at this case now, we're going to who the hell let this guy continue to police and by the way interestingly enough if you talk to Internal Affairs at police departments the vast majority of the complaints that they get about other about police.
From police so they completely they report each other that's little known fact, most of the most of the reports don't come from the civilians out there saying hey this happened or that happened to Moses time is cop saying hey, this guy was out of line here. Well, that's that's a good sign this it just it doesn't look Rosie when I'm looking at the future. I don't see a way during this climate. Well, what what scares me the most is I don't see a way if we
don't talk to each other that that's where there's no solution because you know, look for every 10 viral video that you see of a a cop hitting somebody with a baton or a rioter throwing something through a window for every ten of those viral videos. There's another viral video that has you know, the guy with the free hugs t-shirt on that's out talking to the cops and saying hey, you know, I get it and they're communicating with each other and talking and when you communicate with people it's
Just like a hostage rescue basic technique. You want to humanize you want to humanize and said a dehumanize and right now we're just dehumanizing each other completely and that's what scares me more than anything else is if we can't talk to each other because look you take the most hardened soldier in war some, you know, some badass Soldier that's done for deployments six deployments, whatever and you put them into a room with a kid in a mom on Iraqi kid. No Mom or an Afghan kidding mom.
And you put them in that room and say hey sit here for 15 minutes and find out what they're about. Here's an interpreter that that guy's going to come out of there going. Yeah, I get where they're coming from. It's and same thing vice versa. You take a hardened jihadist. And you say hey talk to this guy over here about what he's trying to do inside your country. Just just just talk to him when you open up the communications and are you going to get some extremists on both ends? Yes, you will. So maybe I shouldn't have said the most hardened soldier in the most hardened because that you know, what the most
Soldier becomes a killer becomes a killer that that happens happens all the time. You know, I shouldn't say it happens all the time. It happens from time to time. That's how you get the meal I Massacre. It happens the most hardened jihadist. They're not going to change their mind. They're not going to come to any any rose-colored view of America. But barring those total extremes. You've got people you got Hugh other human beings and if you can get them to talk to each
Other they can find consensus they can find common ground. But if they're not talking to each other then we don't move it make any progress and what to your whole kind of point about what's happening right now. There's less and less communication between people open communication because if you if you talk to someone and they say the cops did this this and this and you said, oh, okay explain to me. What happened tell me what went down and then you say hey, let me tell you what it's like for beer.
For a cop being a cop when he sees that when he sees something going on you how many domestic violence cases happened and the person shows up and they're getting assaulted by both parties. Mmm. So, maybe that's what your this cop was thinking when he showed up and saw your mom in this situation and did this to your dad write that like this is real conversations, but we don't we don't have them and not only we don't have them it seems like
It seems like there's forces that are actively trying to prevent us from talking at you to each other from sitting down at a table and saying hey man, what tell me what's going on? What for those who wants who wants the country to be divided into the people that you're talking about earlier that that how do they score points? How do I score points with this group? How do I score points with the other group is by making making everything as divisive as possible?
It's horrible to watch man. It's sickening to watch. I was reading a whole series of tweets where the journalist that was talking about. How cops shooting black men is a real problem. But another real problem that's not being discussed by this black lives matter group is black on black crime. And how do we stop all the murders that are taking place in Chicago? And this this is something that should be discussed and this guy was getting attacked and one.
One of the another journalist literally tweeting at him saying you have been told not to discuss this.
But yet he ignores the these commands that that he should not discuss. This is a very real issue that as if somehow or another bringing up another issue that is also a problem diminishes the original issue of this guy getting killed by cops, which of course it doesn't. Yeah, but this the idea is that there's problems There's real problems and it's not just the cops killing these people
There's look the cop killed this guy in Minneapolis. He didn't do anything in Seattle. How the fuck did that shit happened in Seattle. Well, it happened in Seattle because of this reactionary world where one person does something somewhere it gets through social media. It gets through the mainstream media becomes this this huge inflammatory subject and then the next thing you know windows are getting smashed things are getting lit on fire cars are getting turned over blocks are getting taken.
That's where we find ourselves.
I think it was May 29th. There was a cop killed. I want to say in Texas.
And he was killed when they rolled into a scene. They got they got a call. Hey suspicious person running through the neighborhood they roll up on the scene. They start a couple of few cops are now searching for this guy and they see a building with an open door. They go. Okay, let's that maybe he's in there. Let's go clear this building with an open door. They go in this building with an Open Door there shots fired. One of the cops killed one of the other cops. So just
You know friendly fire Death.
That right there if you if you take that and you just extrapolate that over how hard it is to be a police officer that you can be going into a building and you shoot one of your friends because you think they're bad.
That is a real problem. That's how hard this job is my point is that's how hard this job is
but
we have to do a better job of explaining that we have to do a better job of explaining how hard this job is as far as the hey don't talk about black-on-black violence.
I was trying to I was talking with my podcast Borough Echo Charles who's a black guy and we were talking about that and I said, you know, I think it might have a little bit to do with this.
If you were if you're watching UFC and there's two guys that are fighting and the round ends like just just at the end of the round all of a sudden the referee comes in and like punches one of the like just just muy Thai kicks a guy in the head and knocks him out.
Everyone will be completely utterly outraged about this right because of course that guy wasn't in the game. What's that guy doing? So I think there's a little bit of that. That's that's the the referee is supposed to not do that. And when you see a cop the thought is hey that guys like that guy is a viewed as a referee that guy's not supposed to be doing this. So I think that is kind of where some of that that that outraged comes from because
This is a cop. This isn't supposed to be happening here. This this guy is no not supposed to be killing people right and he did.
This also that the cop is just a person who has extraordinary power. Yes extraordinary responsibilities to write what's terrifying to me. Is that when I'm looking at this idea to defund the police and then I'm thinking like what are these? What are these neighborhoods look like if you wind up doing that and then how do you get back out of that? What do you do refund the police? Do you do ramp it up and do it better next time. I mean, this is a long process.
So she looking at a lot of trial and error here over, you know, perhaps multiple years before they figure out what they fucked up. Yeah, and I know there's some there's some City. I think it's in New Jersey that Camden. Yes that completely disband dismantled their police, but then they rebuilt a new police department and I actually get that like you could get a department that was so completely and utterly corrupt that you said, you know what we're getting rid of all of them as you ever see Cocaine Cowboys great.
Sorry, but one of the things that talks about is a corruption during the cocaine are of the 80s where the entire graduating police force the entire from the police academy the entire graduating Year. Everyone was either murdered or went to jail for corruption.
Everyone the entire graduating class. That's how bad it was. Yeah. So if you have that kind of the of that kind of problem, you might get his mail that you might want to dismantle that police force. You know, what happens in the Seal team sometimes sometimes there's a platoon that's so bad that they just did just dismantle the whole platoon. How often does that very rarely but it does happen. Really? Yep. What causes something like that? Usually they're well, the problem is bad leadership. It's always bad leadership because you can take a bunch of Knuckleheads and you give them a good leader.
And they'll do they'll do fine. So it's always comes down to the leadership. So sometimes they'll replace a leader. But if the and usually when they replace leader, you'll watch the platoon will turn around almost instantly because someone steps in and says, all right, here's what we're doing. Here's how we're doing it and they make that change. But sometimes you have just like a bad platoon and they say, you know what you guys are done. It seems incredibly difficult to be a good leader one of the one of the more interesting.
Things about what you're doing with your platform, whether it's your podcast or the Instagram videos, you put out your showing what good leadership is there's not a lot of people when you look at if you get a thousand people how many of those people are going to be a real good leader. Well, this is what's this is what has become my career after the SEAL Teams because I got very very lucky in the SEAL Teams. Very very lucky. First of all, my whole career was just
I was the luckiest guy ever in the SEAL Teams and I happened to be in the right places at the right times and I got some great experience in some very tough situations. And then the last thing that I did in the SEAL Teams for almost the last three years I was in was I ran the training the Tactical training not the training where guys carry boats on their head and carry logs around but I didn't do that. I didn't I've like went through it but I didn't run that training. I ran the training where everything I was talking about you running scenarios. You're putting people.
In bad situations, you're using simunition you're doing all these things. So I got to see over and over again leaders get put into pressure situations and how their leaders responded in that how the team responds to that leader and what these different things wash out how they wash out and what's interesting is and what I really realized when I was in that position is that their leadership is a skill and you can get better at it now just like fighting just like jiu-jitsu,
There's certain people that have a natural propensity to be good at you. Got some let's say someone's really strong, right? They're going to have an advantage. Let's say someone super flexible. They're going to have a little Advantage. Let's say someone has their big write these things are advantages in fighting in leadership at the same thing. Let's say someone is super articulate. That's helpful. Let's say someone doesn't have a bad temper. That's very helpful. But everyone is at a different level. We'll just like you can take a bunch of different sized and shaped and ass
Political ability people and you can make them better at fighting you can take a bunch of people with different levels of leadership characteristics and you can improve them and then there are actual moves. There's actual moves that you can do as a leader that are just like a Jujitsu move. Oh Joe comes to me and he's yelling and screaming at me that he didn't get the dinghy. I didn't give him two extra people to go on a job instead of me going Jay joke shut up. You don't know you're talking about instead. I actually listen to you, right?
Let me say well, hold on. I didn't know you needed that many people. What do you what do you need them for? So I show a little sense of urgency. I kind of reflect what your emotions are. So I'm not just creating a fight between you and me because if you and I are fighting you and I are not finding the solution. So I'm going to reflect a little bit of your emotion and then I'm going to diminish it a little bit so you and I can have a real conversation. So there's moves that you can do.
As a leader that function like a Jujitsu move and they're very very powerful in the more of them. You learn the better off you'll be and you need to practice them. You won't be good at them out of the gate. It's going to take some just like if I showed you an arm lock and you never done Jiu-Jitsu before you're not going to be able to get on the mat and dude. Somebody you're gonna have to try it a couple times and you have to learn the little nuances to the move. So there are ways that leaders can get better. And yes, there's absolutely natural leadership qualities that make people just a natural better leader.
But they even those people can improve so your question of out of a thousand people how many really good leaders there are well, you have to ask. Okay you just talking about how many people are just naturally born great leaders. You're probably your suspicion is correct. It's not a huge amount. But how many of those leaders can you improve exponentially in their ability to lead and that's what you'll have company a salon front. That's what we do. All the time is we go and work with companies. We work with leaders. That is exactly
We do and we take companies of I mean, we work with companies that have a hundred and fifty thousand employees and you start getting everyone all the all the leaders aligned and getting the Frontline troops understanding where the where the leadership is and what they're thinking and so you can become a much much better leader over time. Now how much of this do we see in the civilian sector how much the even more directly? How much is this? Do we see in the political world? The answer is
Unbelievably small amount. I mean it's a ridiculously small amount. Yeah. It's a ridiculously small amount. Why is that I bet there's a there's a lot of reasons. First of all who who at this point in the world thinks that that sounds like a great job, right? Hey, I'm going to go get attacked from all sides. I'm going to have my personal life picked apart. I'm going to get you know make I'm going to work really hard and really not I'm going to pay cap on how much money I make there's all kinds of reasons. Why
Coming up politician doesn't look like the best job for for most people that would look and say Hey, would I rather be the CEO of a company and make a ton of money and make create a huge product and leave a big impact and influence thousands of people that work at my company in a positive way or would I rather go and get ridiculed and get broke down and have to try and get my job again in four years or two years or whatever the case may be. It's a tough. That's a tough job to and a lot of people say I'm not going to why would I jump into that game?
Well, I know I say that why would I jump into that game? Why would I want to go and be a politician right now? Right. It's crazy like for me to for me to want to go into the into the political world. There would have to be complete and utter chaos in America. I mean Way Beyond Time Beyond where we're at right now thought about this. Yeah. I mean, I'm telling you what I think when because people ask me what you should do this, you should do that. I say mom, you know, we're not at a point where we need this to kind of be about four days away from we could be I think the
You know, let's get let's get Dwayne The Rock Johnson. I agree with you. She's he's the guy that could really I think unify people and I think he would have to run as an independent. I recommend he does it right now.
Right right now he should be like, yeah, you know what I'm in.
I meant think he would win. I think he would win. I really think he would win as an independent. He's obviously a smart guy. He's super articulate. He listens you can tell that he listens. I mean when you see him interact with people, he's very genuine how he interacts. He's built businesses, right? He's built Big. Well really productive businesses that are doing great. He I think he'd be great.
On a fantastic work ethic. They got a fantastic work that work ethic that he you know, he built he came up from nothing, right? He had 7 Bucks in his pocket. We all know the story and and he has more bucks in his pocket than that now so and most important. I think I think he's just a popular guy, you know, he would get up and and when the country is going through hard times, you know, I was talking to a friend on the way up here and
They were saying hey, you know.
People want leadership and they're looking for it and and they're not hearing it and a lot of times people don't even recognize the fact that they don't have leadership. They don't even recognize it as a leadership vacuum. So they don't even know what they should be thinking looking like you an example your let's take a seal platoon seal platoon raids a house. There's some explosions. There's some gunfire and no one's really sure where it's coming from and no one's really sure what to do. Now that individual a lot of the individuals not petunia just
holding on security are holding their not really sure what to do and they're not really even recognizing that there's a leadership vacuum but then someone comes in the leader the platoon Chief the platoon Commander comes and goes everyone get to the roof right now and there goes oh cool now we know what to do so same thing happening in America right now there's no kind of voice saying hey everyone
this is what I just saw on this video this is what I just saw this was a heinous crime this obviously we have some deep-rooted problems that we need to fix here's the way I'm going to move forward addressing these problems getting to the bottom of them and here's how long the timeline is going to be
And by the way, my ears are open and you know where the plays you know where I'm coming right now. I'll be in Minneapolis tomorrow afternoon.
That's you know, like oh, we got a problem like that. If we have a problem like that. I am going on the ground. I will be there. I'll be there. What do I'm a guy so I'm the president. So I'll be there in what two hours. I'll be there on the ground. I'm gonna find out what's going on. I'm going to meet with people we're going to talk. I'm gonna listen I'm gonna find out what this means. I'm going to get to the bottom of these problems. That's that's what then you can actually speak from a position of okay. I just spoke to these nine people matter of fact, they're Comin with me.
Going to come up with a plan. We're going to come up with a plan together. You know, that's another huge leadership. Everyone thinks in the military that the leaders sitting at the top going. Alright gentlemen, here's what we're going to do when approached this building from the West we're going to assault the front door right now. That's not the way it works. That's not the way it should work the way it should work is I say to you Joe I say Hey Joe, here's the target. I want you to go after tonight come up with a plan and you say okay cool. And then you if you're a good leader you get with your team and say hey guys, here's the target. We're going after how do you all think we should do?
It and now you all come up with your own plan together and then you come back to me and say hey Jacko, here's how I want to do it and I said looks good, and maybe if I got to make a little adjustment I say hey make this little adjustment here or maybe use this weapon over here or whatever. I make little tiny adjustments, but it's still your plan and from a leadership perspective. That means you are you and your team are totally bought into the plan you made it up as opposed to me coming down and barking orders at you and telling you how we're going to do it doesn't work.
I mean I can force you to do it because I outrank you know, I order you to do this. That doesn't that doesn't fly, you know many times in my entire military career. I said, hey, I'm the boss. You better do what I tell you to do you want how many times I said that 0 0 times?
No one thinks like that. So in a leadership position, what you have to do is say hey, I'm going to call Mom and find out what's going on. I'm going to talk to people and we're going to put together a plan to figure out how we're going to get this solved. This is not acceptable in America. That sounds fantastic. But what if you're a Republican and they're Democrats and then you get on the ground and you have a mayor that's non-compliant. You have a governor disagrees with your strategy. They don't want you there in the first place. They want to work it out themselves. They want to defund the police.
They're voting unanimously the defund the police. They don't like what you're saying. Cool. Well, okay if that's where we're at right now. Let's let's come up with a plan. Let's see how we get through this. Here's some things I'm worried about because if you if you're telling me you want to defund the police because you think that this Police Department is completely and utterly corrupt. Okay, let's let's explore that because you could be right you could be right. This is where a lot of leaders make a mistake where it becomes an ego thing. Especially you like you're talking Republican and Democrat. So that means if I'm a Republican
Public in no Democrat can have a good idea ever and if I'm a Democrat no Republican can have a good idea ever that's completely wrong. That's completely wrong. So even right now like when you threaten me right now right now, you're like, hey, what if I tell you I want to defund the police and I what I tell you, I don't want the cops. Now, you tell me all those things as a good leader, you know what to say. All right, there must be something really bad going on here Beyond even what I just saw on this video. I'm coming and I want to hear what's happening. And I want you to tell me what your suggestions are. And if your suggestions are to defund the
Let's explore where that where that plays out. Let's see where that ends up because as we start peeling back the layers, even the most even the most Ardent anti-police person. You're going to get to a point where you say. Okay when my house is when one of your constituents house is being broken into who are they going to call? What what mechanism are we going to put in place for security? How are we going to keep people safe from crime?
And then they've got to answer that question and maybe they come up with a good answer. I don't know yet. But as a leader, you have to listen to other people's ideas. And we have to you you absolutely have to do that. There's a saying from patent leader on the front line is always right the leader on the front. The leader on the front line is always right. So I've always tried to embrace that theory not just from a leadership perspective, but even from a human perspective, you know, when you want to tell me something that I don't know about
out I'm gonna listen to you I'm actually going to I'm actually really going to listen to you I'm going to try and ask myself well let's see Joe lives in this city and Joe's here with this community and Joe is telling me right now that we should have no police here well could he be very emotional yes he could does that mean I should not listen to anything he says no it doesn't means I should monitor your emotions and I should take that into account but I should also be saying there's got to be some core to of Truth to
what he's saying now is it possible that Joe's just a bad actor and just evil yes it is how do I know that unless I listen to you their answer is you don't you know what I'm hearing right now Jocko and The Rock 2020 that's what I'm hearing come on son I think he'd you yeah well I really hope it doesn't get to that point saying all makes fantastic sense but the problem is everybody is so partisan it's so difficult to get people to work together and people are
There's they have so much invested in keeping this party. / these party lines keeping the country divided by the right and the left. It's so nuts. It's completely nuts. It's completely nuts. And when you hear the extremists on either side, you should say to yourself. You should say to yourself. They want us to fight right? It's like, you know here I'll drop dime on myself. I'm a big deal like when I was a kid in the seal.
Teams. I was an instigator if I could if I could talk smack to two different people and let them start to get escalating like they wanted to fight I would do that all day long, especially once I started training people Jiu-Jitsu, you know, I'd be the guy that was saying, oh, he's the he thinks he could take you now because he trained for two weeks. You haven't been here and if it were you you said that, you know, I would do that all day long escalate. So we have to think that because it's fun to watch people fight to the death, but I did when I was on Fear Factor choices to get
People it's fun. Yeah, there's there's some level of fun to it. Yeah, but fighting to the death is a different kind of fun. Yeah, but when you recognize that when people on the extremes are telling you extreme things that what they want is to create a divide that's what they want. So that you just go you know what I just can't have that so I'm vote in here where I just can't have this. So I'm voting here. It's a nightmare. It is a nightmare. It's a very difficult one to get out of you need
real leadership to get out of it. Yep, and that's just absent right now on both sides totally absent and there's no middle ground. No, there's no one that says, well, you know, I
You know, I like Summa Trump's policies, right? Someone says that it's like oh just destroy that parsley and nausea or you know, I agree with I agree with Nancy Pelosi on this thing. You must be, you know, a communist, you know, either way, but that's the way that's where we're at. Yeah, that's what that's why unfortunately well fortunately fortunately but if if the rock was going to run I think he would only I think you'd have to run as an independent right to just say listen. I'm not down.
There's some things I agree with over there. There's some things I agree with over there. So you know what? I'm doing. I'm going in the middle, which is where most of America is. So if you want to vote extremists, you can go to the side Other Extreme you go to the side everyone else vote for me. What was the last time someone even one as a governor? That was an independent? Was it Jesse Ventura? Possibly Minnesota? Yeah possibly might have been him.
I mean you never even hear about it. Yeah, well, that's there's a whole like money thing that has right. There's a whole money thing where if you're not a Republican or Democrat, you're not going to get those big coffers full of money to put paid advertising out and hit get people in the streets to vote for you. Yeah, you don't have the machine behind you, you know the DNC behind you or the Republican party. Yeah. It's it's a real weird situation. We find ourselves in with no clear path to sanity.
Now there's no clear plan path to sanity if we don't talk to each other and right now we're not.
yeah we're not I've seen you know the people are
so
just angry
just angry when you talk to him about this stuff
just anger comes out it's horrible it's horrible to watch yeah what disturbs me is I don't see in the past when there's been disputes or things have been wrong the seems like there's a clear path to sort of work things out it doesn't seem like a clear path it seems like everyday kind of gets a little worse like people get ramped up even more and then there's this event it's looming on the horizon this November event
this election event and no matter what whether it's left or right whether Biden wins or Trump wins is going to be Madness and chaos
it seems hard for me to understand that Biden could it could maintain his health you know through a presidency that seems very challenging to me yeah I mean it seems like he's been going down you know with his coherence level you can kind of see it over even months right yeah he's on a really really rapid downward spiral well it seems stressful for anybody except Trump for whatever fucking reason
That guy
eats it up, but for most people running for president alone, just the grueling just the schedule that's involved in traveling and doing all these speeches and it just breaks them down mean one of the reasons why Hillary lost was she just wasn't willing to travel as much there was all these different events that she was supposed to go to she just couldn't go she couldn't take it anymore. She thought she was going to win anyway, so she just say laid-back. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely is a brutal.
Thing but it's really also just completely insane that the two candidates are these two people. Well, yeah the right people first of all that the best the Democrats could do. I mean they had all these other people that were well spoken he seemed like young and healthy and there was you know, there's so many that is hard to comprehend. Yeah, right screams. It's really hard to comprehend that. Yeah that you're looking at these this group of whatever we have 350 million people 320 million people in America. And this is this is who you end up with. Yep.
Can anybody but Biden anybody? I mean, we don't even know who is vice president is right that's going to make a big deal. That's going to be a big difference is the vice president is compelling and interesting and he says going to pick a woman whether he picks the problem of it was going to pick Klobuchar Klobuchar was responsible for a lot of those guys skating in Minneapolis. So well, that's not good. And then if he's going to go with Kamala Harris Tulsi gabbard kind of took the legs off of that lady. Yeah, so then who's left?
EFT mayor Pete he seems like a guy was just you know, like it's got a Playbook. He's kind of like following this Obama Playbook and I just don't feel it from him at all. At least he's gay we'd have a gay guy in office out of light and people up a little bit. I believe that we had a powerful gay leader. I think it'd be great for the country. Like I think you know, like the one of the things about Obama being office beside the fact being office beside the fact that he's very articulate and educated and so well-spoken.
Bateman said it's like hey look we're making progress that we have a black president like I felt that if I felt like a wave across the country people like you can be present in this country like even if you're born out of a single family single mother family and you're a black guy you can use as long as you got the goods you can make it like this is great this means we really are living in a meritocracy and it would be great if there was a gay guy that had the same
it's like like all the people that are homophobes like a but that fucking mayor pain he's got me yeah he died I'm not robbed the Bible says but you know what fuck the Bible I'm voting for that guy he's better than Trump I mean that would be great but he's just I don't think he's the guy maybe he's the guy someday be is also a young guy right so who else who the fuck is there especially since it's going to be Biden and he said it's going to be a woman he's definitely not going to go with Tulsi she's too fucking dangerous yeah the the
Democrats are scared of her. She doesn't play games, which is so crazy. I know she's got everything everything. They want woman of color congresswoman served overseas to deployments. Yeah. She's got everything. She's really super articulate super articulate level-headed super level-headed very intelligent. Yeah, but she's just not corrupt. She's got this one problem. That's the one problem. I mean, other than that you look at his like Jesus Christ this lady she's willing.
Going to talk to people on the other side. She's you know, she's a States woman. She's a you know, the way she speaks. He speaks like a leader. Hmm. They won't even consider ER it's too dangerous. Well, so lots is the I'm going back to DJ Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Yes, that's what I'm saying back to Independent. Yeah as an independent. Yeah and Wayne and Jocko 2020. Come on, man. We need you. It's it's very
Very it's very horrible. And and when I see all this divided, right this is one thing that
just
to have been in the military and the been on the battlefield and fought alongside guys of every background every background that you can imagine why black Mexican whatever Porto Rican Asian there everyone's out there.
Everyone's out there and by the way going to Memorial services for these guys overseas.
There's not one thought in your head. There's not one thought in your head that's thinking o underneath the the flag on that coffin. Is that a black eye or that a white guy? Not one thought your head is thinking that in any way shape or form all you know, is that that person took a bullet got blown up, that could be me. They took that for me.
And to come back here and and now see this this this country being ripped apart. It's that's the most horrible thing for me. This is something that gets discussed a lot by guys in teams and by different guys in the military period that when you served overseas with with these guys that racism becomes the the least least considered thing.
see you your brother's because you're literally the consequences of your actions and consequences of your day-to-day existence is so so dire life and death it's the most drastic consequences that we are aware of there's nothing you're losing your life or you're not or they save you or they don't your brothers you're all together but in this world the consequences are less grave and the requirements of people
are less extreme you're not as tested you're not your character is not as exposed you are not as you're not as vulnerable in that sense and because of that I think people are more outraged and they're finding more reasons why we're separate more reasons to divide us more reasons why they're different from us whether it's because of ideology or skin color you know Sam Harris has a podcast where he's discussing all the different things and he brings a one really great
Pointed at podcast. It's out. Now. He said could you imagine a world where we think of color the same way? We think of hair color like the color of people's skin the same what could you imagine a world where I don't trust redheads, you know, I don't do those people with dark brown hair fucking creepy to me, you know, all the people in my neighborhood that are blond. They're all shady like that seems so Preposterous. Well one day the goal would be so great.
If one day that's how we feel about all skin color that it's no different than hair color. It's just characteristics that you were born with. You have no control over who you are is what's important? That's it. Yeah, I think that's that's what that's the position that the military puts you in it put you in this position of look I gotta rely on this guy. I got to rely on this guy and if they're reliable I'm down. I'm good if they're not reliable. I got a problem and
doesn't matter what color they are doesn't matter what their it doesn't matter any that it's like is this person going to be there is this a good person that's going to be there to back me up and that's all we care about and so for me this is like super regressive to be going through the to to watch the country go through this and think how did wait wasn't I just 10 years ago like overseas with a bunch of guys and we don't care about any of this didn't didn't didn't enter into our minds we're not looking at it all the time and I guess part of it is because
does
you got a beer in your in a fight during a struggle and right now let's face it in America
the not a lot of struggling happening well what kind of making our own struggle right now exactly yeah and I think one of the things you talked about that's very important is that a lot of this divide is because of this really shitty way of communicating whether it's through social media or whether it's through reading stories or watching videos so terrible way to not just get in for information but it's a terrible way to interact with people like the way they interact with people's way you and I are doing it right now just talking to people and I think the vast
Charlie of problems would be solved amongst reasonable people if they just talk through this talk to try to figure out you know you know hey man I didn't like that you did this well what did well all right well I was thinking when I did this here's what you're right here's why I did it and this is what I was thinking and I was wrong because of that and if people could just say that and people could accept that we could shake hands or hug it out rather than have a fucking Twitter beef that leads to a gunfight I mean literally that's that
the way we exchange information with each other back and forth through social media is the absolute worst way people can talk you're not looking at each other you don't get any social cues you don't feel any empathy towards that person that you're not in front of them you're not there and you're looking to see how many people agree or disagree who's liking or disliking it's a public thing right so how many likes do they get their thing got 400 likes mine only got 20 shit am I wrong here
it's it's just a terrible way for us it's a newfound way for us to communicate and a terrible way for us to communicate it's not we're not designed for it this is not how we evolved we evolved to communicate with social cues and to look at each other and be around each other and you know you could say something to a person and you you're both laughing or you see it written down the same way you like you that guy's a fucking asshole
Yeah, even from a leadership perspective, you know, we'll talk about this a lot with hey, I'll you know I sent you I'll send you an e-mail, you know that says.
Hey, Joe, can you get this project done next week?
Thanks, and you're in a bad mood when you read that, you know, yeah, there you go. Who the hell are you think you're tough. But if I was like Hey, Joe, can you get this project done by next week? We really need it. I'm looking at you and kind of give me a blank stare and I'll explain it to you a little bit more and all of a sudden it turns into a perfectly good conversation exact when I send you that email or in this case a tweet, right then you you hate me. Yeah. It's like we got management to do right? Yeah, you gotta when you want something out of someone or you want you want some things to get done. You got to manage that.
Person's personality and mood and you got to manage the relationship that you have with each other and you have to be proactive. You have to you have to calm. What's up, man? How you doing? Everything good you good. Like they have to get a good feeling out of you. Yeah. And again I say this is I gotta ask you this favor. I need this thing from you and then and then you rolling and everything's good it exactly you. Don't do it. That way then people go fuck this guy. Well, this got just wants things from me or this guy is annoying or you know, the this guys treat me like a bitch.
Actly, yeah the world through Zoom right now. So we're doing a lot of zooming. So my company has long front the just the video alone increases your ability to communicate right massively. It doesn't get all the way there. Right but just being able to look at someone and have a conversation with them as opposed to either just a hearing on the phone or absolutely so that idea of hey, I'm actually going to sit down and talk to you. I'm actually sit down. Hey, well, I'll meet you the are like we pivoted obviously once
you know we used to go into or we still do but going into businesses and working with them shaking hands how you doing talking to him and then all of a sudden in three days we were doing everything online everything hey meet me on the zoom call and you can get there you can get 97 percent Effectiveness just by looking at someone and talking to him you know like I said there's a little percentage that you're still not going to get but if you think you're going to communicate effectively through social media tweets you're just freaking wrong yeah it's one step below email right
social media tweets is one step below email emails one step above that phone calls is one step above that Zoom is a step above that another layer person to person is the best person person's house that's what were designed for everything else is just it's and that's what's leading to all this fucking Madness and Chaos it's a lot of it is fueled its weaponized by by social media tweets and yeah because by the way when you send me a tweet to be to be an asshole to me I
I actually just retweet that until everyone what an asshole you are a bunch of people retweeted as well look at met him oh God we're not we're not working together knots and we're not we don't worry we're not working together right that's another thing that Cove it did write all of a sudden we took everyone in isolate him you're not you're not seeing them yeah you're not talking to them so now everyone is almost strictly communicating by these methods that you're talking about yeah this is horrible horrible for society horrible for society the
the idea of coming to work in a place right the idea of hey I'm going to show up and work at a place with other people that is such a huge part of getting back to where we need to be like when you pull everyone out of work and you enter and and even worse and I'm not even just beyond Ovid what you know what happens when we've moved all manufacturing overseas right so all those people that used to go and work in the same place every day that used to show up and have a common mission
A common goal. They don't have that anymore much of the middle class doesn't have that anymore. They used to have it. They don't have it anymore. And that's interesting lie. China's middle class is growing right now. Why is there a middle class growing because they're manufacturing. They're making things they're filling that void of people that have that level of skill set of hey, you know what? I just got out of high school. I can't afford college. So what am I going to do? Right? Oh well.
In China, well, you can say okay. Well, I guess me to work at a factory. Hey, it's a horrible switch out. It's do whatever we need they need to improve their their conditions. But hey, these people have a job. They have a purpose. They're moving in a certain direction in America. We've kind of on a massive scale gotten rid of that class of people's purpose and that's a big Focus for you write with your company origin particular. Yeah, which by the way, I got the boots. They're fucking dope guys make great.
It's like really high quality really beautifully manufactured stuff like and there's something very valuable right now. But American made it used to be there's it was very divisive. Like you said American-made like what do you seen of opic? You don't like foreigners what the fuck is wrong with you? But now you realize like, oh will the with covid, you know, we were cut off from even getting goods and supplies from other countries. And then we were getting so much of our medical supplies from China and then we're getting so much of our vaccines and medicine all these different things.
Things manufactured by China you like? Hey, why don't we do that here what we used to but it was cheaper by like a dollar or thing to send it over there like oh Christ and people are realizing now. There's a there's a great benefit to making things here in America and it's not just this idea of national pride National provides great, but also like you don't you don't have to go anywhere to get things and you keep jobs here. Yeah, and I think Kanye West is looking to build safe.
same thing as we're doing he wants to manufacture stuff in America why because he knows when you have a bunch of underprivileged kids the best thing you can provide a bunch of underprivileged kids is jobs jobs that they can entry level jobs I know when I was a kid it was almost like hey if you're not careful you're going to end up working in the factory right that's what's going to you know you can end up working in a factory no one wanted a factory job the thing is so that kind of became a
a Montreux you don't want to work in a factory you better go to college well there's fat first of all factory work has changed there's jobs that people do in a factory that takes a massive skill set and the boots you know the origin boots we were probably a year two years three years from losing the knowledge of how to actually do that and luckily my buddy Pete has started you know grabbing people that know how to do it and passing that information down to the Next Generation
so we can actually be a self-sufficient country and we can bring back those jobs of people that look that's a that's a proud way to make a living these are Craftsman like you said these are crafts men and crafts women by the way our Factory is mostly filled with women and they're out there they have a skill set they're learning a skill set there is what there's upward Mobility as you get better at your job as you can do more things you can make more money and by the way you're making something
you're making something with your hands you're producing something here in this country that's just like well it's like when you go hunting when I go hunting you get something for yourself there's a certain feeling of being self-sufficient and America on a large scale especially during covert we look up and say wait a second we did we can't even we can't even make that stuff we don't even know how to make that that's a nightmare well the boots in particular thing about if you started from scratch like if I started from scratch I don't know shit about how to make up
if I had a it would take is a long learning curve of figuring out how to make an excellent boot that fits right as well made and durable like those boots that you guys sell like I was going over I was looking at this thing on my dick fucking put some time and effort into this thing like this is a really well crafted piece of art and it's functional artwork and that knowledge because that's not that's not that's not our generation that learned that right we're pulling that information from the old shoe
you dogs up in Maine that are 60 years old 70 years almost you know out of the workforce having to bring them back into the workforce to to educate the younger generation on how to actually do this we got a kid up there name is Cameron at least 20 to 20 is a young kid and he has learned now how to weave the material for our geese so he's the guy that knows how to weave material this is the bro this is so complicated
where do you see all these different pieces of string coming together get this big machine with she's got like a loom yeah he's got we've got looms up there but we had to get the knowledge right from the old timers that said okay let me show you how to do this and like you just said how long would it take to figure out a loom on your own a first of all I think I would fail because I don't think I'd have the patient's height is that this machine to look at so capturing this knowledge so that we can become a self-sufficient country again it's got to be Paramount
mount in what we're doing and it's not just it's not just hey because I'm Pro America yes I am but if we want to get rid of the kind of social unrest that we have right now hey in ramadi you got a 15 year old kid that's putting a roadside bomb in the road you know why he's doing that is he doing it for some big ideology no he's not he's doing it because he's going to get paid $50 by the insurgents he wants a job he wants a life he wants to make money what happens in
Erica what happens with kids in the inner city that are underprivileged when they don't have a job what are they going to do what are they going to do they're going to fall into oh maybe I'll sell drugs maybe I'll commit robberies whatever I'm going to do but they're not doing it by choice in many cases or if they're doing it by choice it's because they don't see any other choices to even make so we've let our manufacturing go away and now we've got voids we've got voids where people don't have an ability to make an income
and that's that's that's that's just a complete loss of Pride right if you don't have the ability to earn money to take care of yourself to take care of your family if you don't have that ability what you going to do you're going to figure out how to make it happen it's so short-sighted to I mean it was all done for just a small amount of profit per item small amount of profit per item and it cost the country so much yep and and and then the
then the narrative became we're not able to do it that's why we don't do it we're not able to do it that became the narrative well you know even the big corporations would say well you know we'd love to we love to make stuff here but it's impossible it's impossible well that's ridiculous to completely and totally ridiculous also like when you go through Detroit and you realize that a Detroit at one point in time in the early 20th century was one of the richest countries in the world or excuse me one of the richest cities in the world you you go through and you realize I'll get this is where there are making all the
fucking badass cars all the amazing American cars of the 60s and 70s they were all made right there and then they fucked up someone made some decisions to save a little bit of money and make a little bit of money and completely short-sighted didn't look at the economy as a whole didn't look at the nation from a position of a patriot someone who looks at the country in the whole of what's best for the country then just said what is the best way that we can maximize our profit well we need to set up factories
Therese in Mexico and China and all these all these other places we can give people to work for nothing you can't buy a fucking cell phone it's made in America all the people that designed an engineer cell phones for Apple they're right here they're not making them here there's not a fucking single cell phone that's made in America try buying one that's made with All-American Parts All American labor in America we what no such thing it doesn't exist and what you're going to be told is it can't be done that's hilarious not be done that's what's cool about Elon Musk
yeah watch this yeah I'll I'll make cars here I'll make them awesome I'll make rocket ships and whatever that was that guys I'm a fucking tunnels under the Earth yeah we need a couple more of those dudes yeah it's it's it's good to people are opening their eyes though it's good that people are realizing because of the pandemic and because the fact that all goods and services that were being imported on a daily basis were shut down there and also people are terrified of getting things over there where you going to spray everything down everything's infected and what
what I'm scared what do I do yeah but the medicine is the craziest one the fact that we rely on China for some ungodly percentage of all of our medicine like holy shit guys like is this the right way to do this just for profit yeah it seems like we got a little bit lucky with kovin yes like right a little bit lucky because it turned out to be not not bad did you ever get the antibody test no fuck should it tested you to me sorry because you think you might have had it right I'm so
the end of January right right is this thing was kicking off I did a live tour I did Austin then I did Washington DC then I did New York City Seattle San Francisco and La every event shook hands and bro hugged between a thousand and two thousand people that's what I did at the end of January I went to the the absolute like Ground Zero locations Fork Ovid at just
This bro hug to talk to a bunch of people and shook hands and you know just got after it and then I got sick. Yeah, like a week later something two weeks later. I guess it was February. I was sick and I was like hmm. Gee, I wonder what that is and then and then March came around and we started sick the the sick like God often wasn't real bad. It wasn't real bad. But it was it was you know, it was bad enough that I you know, I think I might have skipped like I'm just going to stretch today because I really
I really feel like crap for a workout type of thing. So I didn't get I wasn't down hard I wasn't in and I didn't miss any I didn't miss anything but I felt bad. And so I figured that was my that was my covid experience. My wife got sick. My son got sick two daughters in college and my young daughter didn't get sick at all. My ten-year-old daughter didn't get sick at all. So as it sounds like yeah, but you did you have it or not? No, I didn't I might get a fucking text right now. I'm gonna get a doctor in here in an hour and a half. We're done. I'm gonna make this happen because I want to find out
you would be the only guy that's tested positive if you did know we had Tim's body was his name been he didn't false positive then we tested him again yeah I think it would be I think it would be crazy if that travel schedule that I had sitting on all those airplanes from and to and from all those different airports in all those airports that's just that's just crazy yeah all right I'm asking right now can we get one at 3:30 I'll make it happen that was another you know we're talking about
ghost
the the scary thing about the whole coven unraveling was that
the leadership wouldn't say hey you know what I actually think I was wrong about this and we're moving in this direction now right not just leadership and everyone right everyone just hey no you know what I think I was wrong here maybe we need to adjust this here's so you didn't get to see that that's a great point because that that really was a failure of leadership because it was very clear at some point in time when they found out when they did the large-scale antibodies test particularly in California and they like Jesus Christ hundreds of thousands of people have been exposed to this
this is not what we thought like and the amount of people that are actually sick instant result back Kovac man bound you dead the amount of people that that actually tested positive for the antibodies was way higher than they thought it was and the amount of people that were actually hospitalized was way lower and then they looked at the average debt that people died it's actually older than the average debt that people die yeah my son pointed that out to me yeah we shut down the fucking economy for that
I guess I was was a little bit whatever I was pretty rough I was pretty Cavalier through the whole thing buddy dr. Pete yeah he was here to you as use a little nervous well he was way nervous because he was in early right and when you saw the early stuff yeah when you're like hey it's one out of every ten people are dying right but even he was making adjustments he said wait a second in Italy there's different cities that was I think where he started changing his his attitude he said wait a second
in Italy there's different cities and in some cities they're really compressed together and people are old people living with young people in the same place and I'll wait a second we need to separate this out and then it just hey wasn't bad thing God yeah thank God it wasn't as bad and my buddy Andrew Schultz had a great point he said basically covet exposed weaknesses in both business and in people's Health that's what it really did the the those the lockdown did because there was businesses that literally couldn't survive a week
money coming in well that's a that's a badly managed business or a business that has a very small and narrow profit margin and then there's people that literally can't survive any sort of disruption in their immune system their immune system is shattered one of the things that came out of it than I found out from dr. Rhonda Patrick was that 70% of America is deficient in vitamin D 70% 29% is severely deficient to the point where like they're like they have medical issues because of
a deficiency in vitamin D yeah you got to get on that you got to get on the vitamin D for sure get on the vitamin D and the best way to get it is to get out in the sun yeah and that's the one thing you weren't supposed to do the whole thing is fucking Madness it was a perfect storm yeah it's like when the plague in the what the black plague they thought it was they thought it was cats they thought cats delivered the plague to everyone so they killed all the cats but it wasn't the cats it was the rats and the mice and so when you killed the cats guess what happened to the rats and the mice they insane so the
most the same kind of thing you see unfolding yeah and no one saying hey you know what actually we're wrong here hey you know what and what about the masks so this was crazy
well I got some buddies that texted me they said hey there's this thing coming you origin you guys should start making masks just to just to cover your face and I said oh okay I don't know anything about this stuff I talked to my buddy Pete I said hey it sounds like there were going to need to make masks and he says okay so we start thinking about hey how would we make these things and then a couple days later the government the government comes out and says Mass don't do anything don't worry don't wear masks don't get Mass so I talked to Peter said hey man it looks like this isn't it
looks like we don't need to do it because it looks like doesn't help at all five days later they're like everyone wear a mask at all times and by the way we're going to pass laws that require you to wear a mask I'd call Pete I'm like it looks like we need to make masks you know and we ended up making a hundred couple hundred thousand masks and we were we were sending them to this is the weird thing we're sending them to hospitals like we donated thousands of Mass to hospitals and and and then you know
no two weeks later was like no actually they don't do anything I still don't know well it's hard to did the problem is people get shamed and the World Health Organization came out and basically said the only reason you should be wearing them at where does the CDC now the world here to Fouch he said US Government held off promoting face mask because it knew shortages were so bad that even doctors couldn't get enough so is he just saying that now allows this morning or today especially since we start so guess what you all every we all
I lied to you all got lied to held off on promoting face mask because it knew shortage were so bad but then doctors couldn't get enough recently the CDC said the only people that should be wearing masks or people that are treating covet patients and that regular people shouldn't be wearing masks and then the World Health Organization said that asymptomatic people it's extremely rare that they transmit to other people so we were worried about asymptomatic people just reason why we kept runs out of school and we were worried about overwhelming the hospital
which is why we did all this other stuff as well which is what drives me crazy about my kids school I was like hey you fucks this doesn't even kill the kids it's Killin the kids get killed by the flu meanwhile you don't even scan the teachers or the staff or anybody people have the flu they don't want to miss a day of work they just fucking show up and give it to everybody that's normal and kids actually die from the flu and it's not a small number it's not a small number of people that died from the flu last year was 60 mm I mean it's not as many as
of it but then you're hearing your hearing two camps you hearing one the Cova deaths are actually underreported because a lot of people die from covet and they don't even register it okay boy I guess it's worse than it is and then you hearing no no actually we're getting incentivised to report debts as Cove it Elon Musk on the podcast said if you get killed by a shark but you work Ovid positive they would lift it as a Cove in death obviously he was being facetious but it not entirely because there's a lot of people with leukemia that also had Cove
it listed as a covet death obesity heart attacks listed as a covet death because they tested positive for Covent cancer also had coveted covet death I mean fuck that's really disturbing other you know when you hear those statistics then you see these things that they're saying and it just the lack of trust that you end up with the government when the government is already people just generally don't really trust the government a lot right right there's no one that's always thinking the government is always given in The Straits
any he goes back to this click Beatty bullshit my wife pointed out this story yesterday where she's reading about this kid that died 17 year old kid perfectly healthy it says she reads into the article Type 1 Diabetes Type 1 diabetes is not perfectly healthy no thanks really sick and fucking dangerous you have to take insulin to stay alive yeah and think you can get complications from that Legos everyone's living diet type 1 diabetes diabetics can live real normally and then they can have an instance that causes them to
to die yeah they can have their foot removed yeah there's all sorts of shit that goes wrong when you have diabetes your immune system is severely compromised but it's like we're our information it's not pure we're getting all this money thing and falchi telling us the only reason why they told us not to wear mask is because they they knew he didn't have enough like holy shit how many people died because of that you fuck and then the World Health Organization says actually no one dies that you don't have to worry about it you really don't need to wear a mask
Fucking what is happening. I think so much of this ego plays so much into this of people not want to admit. They're wrong. Yeah. I want to here's another thing that people won't say, I don't know right? I don't know like as a leader. I've been in situations where I did not know for this is on my tell leaders all time. I said listen, tell your people the truth about what's happening by the way, we're seeing examples where this is factually not happening inside America right now. If you're a leader tell the people the truth about what's going on. That's what you need to do.
And then people come back to me and they say well what if what if I don't know what what if I don't know the truth then what you do is you say hey, I don't know the truth. Hey guys, I don't know. I don't know exactly how this is gonna play out. These are some contingencies that I'm preparing for that is so much more acceptable from the troops. Then when you try and pretend like, you know what you're talking about. It turns out you're wrong, right? I mean Trump does this so much that people lose track of it right where he thinks something and he just goes out on a limb.
he just walks right out on a limb and says hey this covert stuff will be gone in a week yeah and and you know then you just saw is off the limb behind his foot he does that all the time it's a good example of how not to lead because then people start to trust you less and less and then when things like this happen where you find out that they actually did purposes now think if they would have said this like okay we're worried about we don't have enough mass then you know what you come out and say you come on you say listen everyone we're not a hundred percent sure what the masks do for people but we do know this
this inside of a medical environment we have to prioritize getting those people that are absolutely exposed these masks that is why we are going to put a some kind of a control over who's allowed to buy them you just tell the truth well that was kind of happening at some places like Amazon was only doing that there were only selling those what does it end 9595 yeah they were selling them only to hospital workers and there you go there were allocating them along with other types of hand sanitizer
and the bunch of different things they were selling specifically to them first and First Responders perfect example yeah what you don't do is say hey everyone don't worry about it right right when I found out you did but if we him if he's saying that like well hey fucko now we can't trust you ever again exactly yeah that's that's the freaking problem you're looking at this guy next time there's some kind of disease next time there's a problem how do we know if we can listen to yours also think he was saying a couple of weeks ago the United States doesn't open up soon
we could we could face permanent damage so economic damage yeah permanent economic do you think yeah I'm like hey hey hey hey how come you didn't say this before how come you didn't say hey we have to weigh in the pros and the cons here yeah you know you should have and this is actually something I'd talk to Peter T about it I said hey it seems like maybe some people should be quarantined and other people shouldn't and he's like yeah absolutely
so like my dad who's an older guy who's you know he's an older guy compromised immune system guess what he should be isolated he should be quarantined yeah should my 17 year old son should my 20 year old daughter my 2120 18 year old got my 10 year old should they be an isolation should they be quarantined absolutely not absolutely not hey first week two weeks we're here and it's a 10% Bobby and we're hearing all these things cool you can make it you can make an in extremis call you can say hey
guys I don't know what's happening but in Italy it looks real bad guess we're going to do I'm going to shut down for two weeks I'm sorry but this is what we're going to do and you go at the the nation says okay okay we get it and then two weeks later you say you know what it looks like it's really might impact our medical systems were going to shut down for another two weeks just another two weeks never goes you know I got to pay my bill mortgage but okay two more weeks
and then you say then you gotta then you got to have the courage and the ability to put your ego in check and say you know what thank you maybe may not have been necessary we don't know right now but it looks like we can start opening back up let's rock and roll the other problem is once they tell you what to do they don't want to stop having that power and control oh yeah they loved having her literally sad wear masks because then we can get back some of our freedoms yeah you're gonna give away Freedom you got that kind of power maybe I should run for governor
yeah I didn't know I could get his control freedoms you got my vote give away freedoms that the business is surviving right you're talking about the businesses surviving there's a lot of businesses that especially little businesses right little Jiu-Jitsu schools little restaurants you want a restaurant to operate on 50% capacity that restaurants aren't making this kind of money where they can throw away 50 percent of their profits 50% of
their capability make money they still because they still got to have that cook yeah that cook is there the dishwashers there right there's your bare minimum yeah and they got to be there no matter what if you serve 50 people great if you only serve 25 you don't make any money yeah so there's all there's going to be there's a lot of businesses that run that day to day you know month-to-month paycheck to paycheck to try and stay afloat that's the that's what America does and sometimes they're able to creep out of that and they get ahead and that's awesome that's how you end up with a big powerful companies yeah I've had a couple of restaurant
owners in Adam Perry Lang who owns the APL Steakhouse and Janet Sue kirino and Evan funky who own they own feel it well he owns Felix Janet owns Felix and he's the head chef and they were explained to me profit margins and it's fucking crazy it's what would you really look at how difficult it is to run a restaurant and all the decisions that have to be made and you know food goes bad if you keep it too long and you got to buy
certain amount of food you anticipate a certain amount of customers you got to know your cousin he was explaining it to you we know our customers so I know most of them are not going to order this so I want to know have certain amount of meals that I'm going to have of the fish and more meals of the steak and the pasta is primary that's what most people are coming here for in like fuck and then you tell them oh you can only open up at 60% and waitresses have to wear a fucking hazmat suit and you know it's like God damn man what do they 10% 15% five
and profit margin I think they were saying 14% this is how they operate but it's difficult it's very difficult and you know people don't want to spend too much money on meals you know and so they it has to be kind of engineer like how can you how can you do it right and Janet has had a ton of successful restaurants like she's a wizard at it I mean she's been doing it straight out of college and her problem was she was in the process of building multiple restaurants so all of her money were
were out even though she's extremely profitable and very very successful at all these restaurants she's building out all these other restaurants at the same time with that money because she knows how to make money she knows how to run these businesses so she's doing so she's got a Jamaican restaurant she's got an Italian restaurant just got all these things happening and then boom the government tells you have to shut down
that's yeah that's the the profit margin there's so many bits you know because we work with all kinds of different businesses yeah and the profit margin on many many businesses is really really lean one of my favorite examples is big construction companies look big construction companies that are doing you know 500 million dollar projects or 700 million-dollar Bridges and colosseum's and stuff their profit margin
is like 4% holy shit or percent whole ride percent if they do awesome it's like six percent that is so insane and there you know ordering concrete and they've got to have it showed up a certain time and then the rebar wasn't in place like it's crazy there the margin for error is so small and there's so many businesses that operate like that and a lot of times I think some of the people in government they've never been in business before and so they don't understand that for them hey just operate at 50
that capacity inside your restaurant you'll be fine that's a very good point and they've never run a business you know I have a Jiu-Jitsu Jim we got shut down so now we're now they're telling us hey you can allow people back in the gym they just have to be six feet apart we can't do Jujitsu six feet apart you can't do Muay Thai six feet apart so what are we supposed to do now and by the way what about oh you want us to check people and we want to have this there's all these protocols after putting place to have someone come into the gym so now we got to hire extra people we got to hire extra
a cleaning staff because the gym has to shut down for this period of a day and they need to re-clean everything like obviously the people that are making these rules have never been in it never been in business before yeah telling a person who is running a Jiu-Jitsu Jim the people have to be six feet apart
the Jiu-Jitsu is zero report zero feet apart zero zero space that's the whole goal of Jiu-Jitsu if it is smash the whole goal take your body and smash someone's body with it the whole idea is no space yeah that literally is the foundation of jujitsu a pressure applied with no space and this goes back to the idea of as a leader
taking the information from the Frontline troops saying how you tell me what's a good way to run this you tell me you tell me what's a good way to run this and let's see if we can figure out a solution is probably really want to talk to Jujitsu gym owners and my suggest I'm never running Jiu-Jitsu gym I've been in a shitload of them my suggestion would be have people fill out a waiver so they waive their rights have people fill out a form that says I have not tested positive I've showed no symptoms of illness
I I promise that if I do I will not train and I will get myself tested testing is readily available now you know for a long time we were getting shamed because we were testing PT I was tracking on that angry that we were testing people like look you can test people to you fuck just like you could buy a steak it just costs money you know you mad that people have steak and you can't afford a steak well you know there's people that their different stages of life you know in this game called society and capitalism and an
you start off at Square a you know everybody starts at a different spot granted but I started bottom and you figure out a way to get a fucking task and if you're in a spot right now and you laugh we can't have a test will definitely don't go and expose yourself so we know what the fuck it is but don't get mad at people can afford test you crazy fucks and what we're at right now would you just do Jim's is you should have a form that you fill out just like when I was at a restaurant I want to Lonesome Dove restaurant shout out to them and Austin Texas fantastic place
you fill out a little farm says you haven't been tested positive you know you don't you're not sick not shown any symptoms you know they do a little temperature check check your forehead all you looking good all right come on in sit down bleep pack you in order to keep you know they can be a little bit separated but that was two weeks ago and there's another place Gus is Fried Chicken shout out to Gus's best fucking Fried Chicken on Earth in Austin Texas we went there two weeks ago and you couldn't eat there you had to wear a mask in the restaurant and you had to order takeout
so we got to take out then we came back again yesterday yesterday no fucking mask everybody's in there sitting all the seats are packed they strongly suggest you wear a mask and no one's love no one wore a fucking mask the waiters are wore masks but it's like things are getting different there's another restaurant ready - that we ate at Saturday night that place had 75% capacity and you had to wear a mask until you got to your table and then you had to wear a mask again if you had to go take a leak it up
mask back on take a leak come back and it doesn't make any sense it's like they're just let this Health Department guidelines and people are trying to open up and they don't want to get sued they don't want to get people mad and like we're trying to protect everybody but we don't know how to do it and it doesn't matter what the science of you could show them an article that shows that masks or bullshit and they're still going to tell you but you still going to wear your mask because we're playing a little game here we're playing a game called keep people safe nobody's saying a goddamn thing about take your vitamins drink water what a healthy workout
out get out in the sun not know the government never says that you don't hear to govern new someone is fucking goofy slicked back hair he's not telling you to go work out and get in the sun there's gonna be a it I think America can only take so much and I kind of said this from the beginning like you can keep America in lockdown for a little while two weeks four weeks and then people start saying you know what I gotta go out I gotta go make something happen I gotta do something I gotta earn money and it's a people that are looking
I'm saying well I don't really need to earn any money right now they're the ones that are saying everyone stay in your house and don't come out and wear a mask all right we got a doctor coming at 3:30 yeah Tom I think I got you a positive this time it's want to get a positives oh yeah you got in college God damn healthy people in here yeah I've had not bad I think I've had 7 no 8 tests 1 2 3 4 no swabs I've had four yeah for no swabs and for anybody test I haven't me
personally I've still come out negative every time but it does in the other thing that he said and this doctors are very smart guy and a young healthy guy he said that doesn't mean you haven't been exposed to it means your immune system did its job really is another thing that people are saying people saying oh well you just got lucky you haven't been around someone who had it was another know many of the people that I test that are positive or in a family where the other people that are also in that family are negative so they have it they've been around these people for fucking weeks and they don't get it why because they have a better immune system particularly children
so I guess I'm a win-win situation now because if I had it if I test opossums like see no Factor because our through you beat it now even if I didn't have it I'm gonna say hey see I beat it yeah I'm going to win win yeah I know well depending upon what your results are I know nine people that have had it now and out of those people only one of them had it bad that was my friend Michael Yo and he got it bad from if it's real easy to track he flew all the way to New York no sleep
what was the dates he was in January January Jamie no early February or late January
March show in New York was beginning
to end of February and if everywhere he was here and then he went okay so he left here that weekend went to New York no sleep right flies to New York does radio does TV else it does this comedy gigs no sleep does gigs the next day same deal does promo all this shit flies back home no sleep gets up in the morning
drives to Vegas with his wife and kids the fucking kids screaming the car back drives back home that night hangs out with his wife's family in Vegas and drives back on that and so eight hours in the car just that day then the next day he's got auditions day after that he's got auditions then boom hits the wall and he's fucked he feels like shit and he felt like shit by the way his mom got it she also tested positive beat it in a day hmm how long was he down for he was down for a week
but he ran himself to also vitamin D deficient and so all those things random self down vitamin D division doesn't take care of himself so like but he caught the perfect storm of exhaustion and Travel Travel Fox you up it fucks you up yeah and I leading into this I was trying I've been traveling all the time my whole life a matter of fact the lockdown is the law most consecutive nights I've ever spent with my wife at since we've been married and we've been married for 20 years
most consecutive nights because you know I was in the Navy I was the point I was going on trips and then when I retired I was working with Consulting all over the place it's been amazing yeah so it's been kind of cool hanging out with my wife night after night all right these are FDA-approved kits to so we're good so we're totally fine I'm going to find out for real fully legit doctors pumped from what do you think you think I think I've had it or not what do you think yeah I would say because your kid your youngest kid didn't get it and get sick and then the other people did get sick but no one got it bad
and I know your family's very healthy I know your your daughter's a savage or sons of savage I would imagine you probably had it thinking about all the places you've been I bet you I bet you test positive for the antibodies anyone few Jiu-Jitsu guys have got it but they all just got coughs yeah we have plus plus on top of all this I'm in my gym examples in my gym oh yeah you know we got all kinds of and we have a lot of people that show up at my gym because they just want to train they want to come check it out and my gym is Big you know we've got 2,000 members right
that's 2,000 members it's not just a victory MMA and Fitness in San Diego California but you know so it's a big gym yeah and you know every 2,000 members that means they're all interacting with you know three or four other people outside of the gym if not five or ten people so and they're literally sweating each other's mouths complete oh yeah that's another thing that's another indicator when I got sick my main training partner this guy Andy Andy Berke our chain with all the time he got sick and then his girlfriend got sick who's also
Jujitsu fighter MMA fighter she got sick too so very likely we'll see I'm curious it's hard when you train hard you get sick it's part of the thing too when you break down your body and your your immune system gets you know when you're one of those guys that trains really hard you do have a tendency to get a little cold because your immune system gets test here's something I've noticed when I have down time like let's say this has happened to me a few times I'm going to Montana and I'm
I'm super stoked I'm gonna go up there and chill right soon as I get up there I get sick really it's happened to me like maybe three times where I finally have four days or five days where I you know don't have anything scheduled to go up there I'm going to shoot my bow I'm going to chill and I get up there and it's like my mind switches and all of a sudden I get sick it's like I saved up illness to where I know I can be allowed to get sick does that ever happen to you know but
a good argument there for like just the way your mind controls your whole system yeah because your mind is just like pedal to the fucking metal Slayer in the background right everything is go go go and then when it's silence your body's like what have we been up to I feel like that happens I don't was wondering if it ever happened to you because it's happened enough time that I'm talking about right my best examples campaign
ends that motherfucker's never sick and if he's sick he still runs anyway he's just got going a little bit of a cough but at all the people that I know I don't anybody who's consistently putting in the kind of hours every day that he does oh yeah he runs 16 miles every fucking day yeah sometimes a marathon sometimes a marathon every day while he works eight hours a day and then he gets home and lifts weights mean it's not like he runs into gets his reps in yeah gets his reps in with his bow every day and he's lifted and he's lifting every
every day he doesn't take days off that fucking guys never sick if he's sick it's like the next day he's running again you looking at his Instagram it's hey it's a great day to run out there fucking I did I think there's something to forcing your body to consistently and constantly perform totally yeah imagine not
like Olympics right you're in the Olympics for wrestling let's say and you've got your whole entire life is on one day hmm if you get sick like write anything bad happens I don't ya you're done yeah those big moments like that are fuck it when you're so stressed out too so your immune system is super jacked but I think there's a there's a thing about peaking for a big event whether it's a fight or the Olympics or something versus maintaining
conditioning they're very different things like a good examples Tim Kennedy Tim Kennedy went through I believe two camps in a row Camp flight got cancelled kept training went through another full camp and then when he fought Kelvin Gastelum yep that guy's never tired and he was gassing out in the fight and there's a real good indication from all involved that is because of overtraining I know that when I would train Fighters you could absolutely see when they would overturn it wasn't
a big question you'd go in you'd have a fighter that's whatever level at let's say let's say Jiu-Jitsu because I'm trying to just wear them and every day you know they're they feel a certain level and then one day you come in and you train with them and they're just they're just suck and I would tell him it's okay man two days off go eat some steak because you would know a hundred percent that they're overtrained Yeah a hundred percent what do you tell vegans to eat some steaks yeah we tell them definitely it's a mistake
you need that steak get some get some steak in you yeah just give them an elk just give him just one good piece of back strap just just try just trust me eat it and run through a fucking wall yeah it's really weird thing about watching people go through camps through fight cans and you know I really I basically don't train Fighters anymore like I used to just because I don't have time anymore but you would you would work
so hard to make sure that the on that night that they're there yeah they're there and some people get in the cage and they do better than they would normally do some people get in the cage and they don't do as good and you got Jeremy Stephens a great example because especially when he first came out started training with me and he's not he's not with us anymore but when he first started training was like he was
a white belt in Jujitsu but man when he got in the cage he would just Elevate man like mentally psychologically Elevate and he would perform way better in the cage and then I've had other Fighters that you get it like they would be kicking people's asses in training and they get in the cage and it's a down step and it's so hard to see that so hard is because sometimes those guys are very committed and they're working hard and they're doing great and they get in
just kidding it's a psychological thing well some people are dwarfed by the moment it's very interesting to say it's a some people are also afraid of the embarrassment of losing that's a big one and they can't trust the process they can't just they can't just remove themselves and just go out there and fight hmm he did you file muy Thai at all a little bit but not to any great extent there's a guy who George st. Pierre brought into his training camp when he was doing The Ultimate Fighter John Jean
Paul scar Bosque and he's this French Savage Muay Thai Fighter who would basically get drunk every night showed up at training at GSP Scamp drunk like he was out all night he was in Vegas right so the ultimate fighters in Vegas drinks all night shows up in the day the next day and fucks everybody up and they're like this is so embarrassing like guys were like devastated like this guy literally came in holding he's got a
up like from like one of those to-go cups from one of them Vegas clubs he showed up in the morning see if you can find it because it's kind of hilarious looks like a guy who should be driving an Uber okay he's not built like a Savage he's just his mind is just he's got the I don't give a fuck and he's got it down yeah and was a you know world champion Muay Thai Fighter beat Champions at lumphini stadium and Thailand and just amazing fighter well you know you always hear about the comparisons of up
black belt in Jujitsu versus a white belt right some of those know anything and it's real real obvious but when you get at a high level of muy Thai it's very similar maybe not quite a similar because there's always this idea that well you know I at least know if I throw a pie at least know as a human how to throw a punch at least they're still idea right there's some like a normal human has no idea of how to do an arm lock 0 you at least know have some concept of how to throw a punch so there is a like a puncher's chance but I remember the first time
I sparred with the real muy Thai guy I was I felt like a white belt I was like oh okay because I would think about throwing a kick and I would get you know kicked myself I would think about it and get kicked oh he knows exactly when we do just like a white belt in Jujitsu you know you can predict everything that they're going to Darius so yeah I remember the shows up I mean look no six-pack I mean literally looks like a guy if you saw that guy show up be like this Dad Bob motherfucker just just he showed up straight
rate from the club I mean you can kind of tell he's drunk and he gets in and starts training with these guys as he even get to some actual training footage because they were they were humiliated I mean he was rag doll in these dudes and beating the shit out of them and dropping them and it did looks like nobody but it's the the problem you know he's a world-class kickboxer yeah and these guys just really have no idea how to handle his movement and the skills that he has
yeah people underestimate people don't think there's as much of a difference between like a black belt in Jujitsu and what would be considered an equivalent you know world champion in Muay Thai oh yeah it's a big diff step in step in the step in the ring and see how that works out for you just so you guys sometimes get cocky about that I had a buddy of mine he was taking an MMA fight and he wasn't doing any striking he was doing very little striking and he's a really good ground fighter and I said do you know how you can toy with a guy on the ground and they really have no chance he goes yeah go people can do that to you standing I could have done
first and that the fight start standing it's not like you start like it's not ebi rules restart on a guys back and you know you have a really good chance of submitting him if you got a great rear naked choke this is not that this is you start 20 feet away from the guy and you're standing and you know you have to close that distancing you're not a great wrestler either yeah well that's the key component right yes it's a giant Factor if you'd if you at least if you wrestle you can go well at least I had no I have a decent chance of taking them down yes decent
and even that's no guarantee anymore well I go back to Mark Schultz when he fought in the UFC you know when Mark Schultz fought in the UFC only fight one UFC fight but that's what we got to see like a world champion Olympic gold medals top of the food chain wrestler you're only on your feet if you want you to be like you good luck throwing that punch or kick because he you have no chance he's going to close the distance and dragging the ground unless you have really good takedown defense and back then when he fought Big Daddy good rich people didn't really have it unless they were
is didn't really have good takedown defense it had really been established as like a part of the whole skill set of MMA yet you basically had what you came in there with your karate guy that's what you had your moment I guy and that's what you got you got to hope you land that elbow before that guy clinches with you and there is a there is a overall strategic advantage to grappling yeah because you can close the distance and if you're gonna punch me you have to get close enough to you have to make contact with me which means I can grab ahold of you and get you down that's why that's why the early UFC's it was like oh I you're going to get closer
either Punch or kick me and when you do that I grab ahold of you and get you to the ground also the chaos Factor especially in a street fight the chaos factors like bodies are flying this bad timing the clinches habits not like every you know you'll so you'll watch the occasional street fight where a guy tees off on some drunk guy and you know lands the perfect punch and knocks him out cold that does happen but you know what also happens male a wild shit mrs. and then someone clinches and then the worst thing in the world is the
fight a Grappler who's good at takedowns when you're on the concrete that is the absolute worst thing in the world you get suplex on your head on the concrete I mean one of the worst things that could ever happen to you basically getting hit in the head by the world yeah well this is why I when I talk about you know people say well what kind of self-defense you you always say Jiu-Jitsu for self-defense but you know you shouldn't let a street fight go to the ground here's here's how it works out if you come to me and you want to fight me and you like square off like in a boxing stance I can run away from you
right I can just run away I have can just run away I'm gonna get away from you I want to fight you if you want to kick me I can run away from you like there's my primary self-defense is I'm just going to run away from you
when you grab ahold of me now everything's different I can't run away anymore now I have to actually know how to handle myself in a grappling situation so that's why start with jiu-jitsu and look absolutely learn boxing learn more time learn wrestling absolutely no doubt about it but the very first thing you need to learn is because if you want to fight me I can run away if you square off and didn't you know you put your dukes up and say come on or you push me good I'm running away that's fine I'll take that but when soon as you grab ahold of me now I got a problem because I can't run away
run away don't problem is the ego where people don't know how to fight and someone puts their Dukes up and they decide to see what they can do they decide in that moment to either fake it or just to like see if they can possibly hit the guy and then they get but bank so many T's off on them yeah I think that's I think the whole thing with CTE right now that's why I think the popularity of Jiu-Jitsu is going to continue because it's a large part of fighting same with wrestling grappling in
well I think is going to continue to get more and more popular because because of CT because you know as a parent you're not looking hey oh I really want my kid to be sparring a lot when they're 13 right no there's not too many parents that are saying that right now it's not a good idea yeah so I think but you still want your kids to know how to fight right so how we going to do that well we're going to use in Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling and let them have that base and then if they get older hey should they know how to throw punches absolutely should they get in the boxing ring sometimes and do some more time matches
absolutely you should absolutely do that as a human but you know you can do that when you're 17 maybe 16 you can start getting that stuff in but the kids Jiu-Jitsu I don't think of anything else better form I completely agree and I think with martial arts with striking it's good to know just to know distance just to understand where you're safe or not safe and understand tells understand what's happening when someone does this when someone does this and then they this is common when they do this this is coming like you should know that some people don't
know that you should know how to protect yourself how to keep your hands up how to duck under things you should know that it should you should understand the timing you should understand distance and timing those are important things but fucking swing in knuckles with some guy in the street is so goddamn dangerous because first of all you don't know what he knows and you're everyone's vulnerable everyone every person that gets punched in the face is vulnerable and if you just want to have like some sort of a kick boxing match or some man on a concrete like I don't advise that
advice clenched and trip yeah I advise get out of there yeah get out of there so you can buy it yeah definitely if someone wants to start some shit with you you're absolutely better off just swallowing your ego and getting the fuck out of Dodge I that's the warrior kid bucks yeah teach those kids hey there's going to be problems there's going to be bullies if you can do you don't need to fight them yeah and what's out and somebody hit me up you know cause I'm always telling people change you to transfer Jutsu has somebody hit me up you know I I've tried it
but I don't I want to try and I tried it a couple times but I don't like to fight and I'm like hey if you don't like the fight to fight you more than anyone elses should learn Jujitsu because if you know Jiu-Jitsu you probably your chances of having to fight will go down a lot just by the way you carry yourself just the way but by the way you present yourself the chance of you having to fight go down a lot also would you Jutsu you're involved in real life struggles the thing about like karate sparring and a lot of point
light sparring is it's not the real chaos that comes with an actual fight whereas Jiu-Jitsu is full blast someone's trying to get you it's full so you get used to full blast you get you get accustomed to it you know what to expect as someone swings for you and clench with them you know what it's like to resist with a 100% non-compliant body you know someone's like fucking really trying to get away from you really it's not like Place barring yes you can go full out
and you know where this brings us right back to police officers yes well Andrew Yang said it best he said I think that every police officer should be a purple belt Purple belt that's an incredible statement so good level right it's like an attainable level within a couple of years but with a couple of years man you got your ass kicked you've kicked some ass you've got a purple belt is basically a black belt who hasn't done enough time yet it's all it is yeah I mean once you've got past Bluebell like blue belt is I put in the time I've learned how to do some stuff and maybe I'll
do this I might make it I might make purple belt like you basically everybody gets a probably want to grab and go hang in there you are a fucking black belt what's better to say and you're a black belt in Jujitsu you're gonna be a black belt in Jujitsu just keep fucking going you already have exhibited enough technique that you could actually one day achieve that just keep going yeah the amount of confidence and and mental Clarity that cops would have if every cop was a purple belt
oh yeah maybe amazing amazing and nothing better that we could do than to just somehow make that happen yeah good idea for Andrew Yang the horrible video of this guy involved with this lady and he's a cop and he's talking to this lady and she's non-compliant he grabs her and he he fucking brute strength sir to the ground and throws her on her stomach and then gets in a rear-naked choke and people are filming this and yeah it's a terrible rear naked choke he tell he sucks the
things terrible like I couldn't imagine a black belt over handling it that way ever ever first of all you wouldn't be so threatened by her it's not physically threatening at all and you wouldn't want to bully her and to show her that you can throw her around like that it wouldn't happen it wouldn't happen fear yeah that's fear kicking in and it's fear not only of his ego but might be legitimately he when's the last time you put hands on somebody I mean if you put hands on people how you know you don't have to do what he did in that situation seen the video but you don't you know
no you know you don't have to do that I think he's just a pussy when I'm looking at the video and like I just think he's just wants to throw his weight around which is another thing you wouldn't do if you know how to fight that's part of why a lot of people act like that is because they really don't know how to fight and that's really they they really don't know how to do that to a grown man so when they're doing to someone who they can do it too because they're just bigger they do it they'll force them the impose them so the be a bully it's a horrible to see but you wouldn't
don't you see a black belt doing that to somebody I'll just about number the amount of confidence that he said exactly the same thing with kids yeah I posted some of what few months ago but it's just something some bully thing and popped up and I said hey if you want to stop bullying you know have kids change it see more time wrestling bullshit have it in school - oh yeah she kids in school and here's the thing people thought I said not only will it prevent them from getting bullied it will prevent them from
um bullying yes which people don't understand people cannot comprehend what that means and it's exactly what you just said if somebody actually knows how to fight and you've been humbled and you've been beat down and you've been choked and you know what that feels like and you know what it means and you know how that feels the chances of you look you could still be an asshole but the chances of you becoming a bully are way less whale has been if you're insecure and scared and have a you know trying to make up for your ego by abusing people that's who becomes bullies yeah with kids
and with adults hundred percent the more the more you train the more secure you are the smaller your ego is the more you're able to step back and see things clearly you know that's one of the horrible things about that the George Floyd was the other cops they're not detached from the situation they're all wound up in it and Jiu-Jitsu teaches you and fighting teaches you that if you do that if you allow yourself to get wrapped up in the stuff you're going to you're going to make bad decisions I think also for kids a lot of the reasons why they do horrible shit is because they have too much
fucking energy they're all jacked up with young hormones oh yeah testosterone yeah testosterone and
and angst and angst and bro it's kind of fun right you know like you it's kind of fun like there's Mayhem going on and what is that the right word am I a jerk for saying that I don't know when I was a kid that kind of Mayhem I wanted to be a part of it you know and actually stalking one of my tell a cop buddies and I was asking him the difference between like the the 92 riots was a 92 93 Rodney King those those riots and these riots
those riots he was like those were the people that kind of instigated and started and perpetuated those rides of those were real like gangsters like shock collars were making those things happen this one these riots were he was like yeah these are kids these are kids that drove down from Riverside these are kids that you know and and sure some of their some of their attitudes was like hey there's been you know Injustice against police we want to stand up to that got it and then he said of course there's
a criminal element as well that are legit normal robbery Crews that are saying okay we got some good cover right now let's get in there and make some you know steal some stuff and we probably won't get caught but that's that's a big difference so you do have an element of kids that are like oh there's some Mayhem going on there's some Mayhem going on guess what 17 year old boys like they like Mayhem they like mosh pits right yeah you love that stuff that was my childhood if there was some Mayhem I
defined it right and that's that fuels these things normal boy Behavior normal boy Behavior especially when those boys are getting told don't go yeah exactly and they're being locked up in houses right now with Colvin their feet their got freaking steam coming out of their ears and also in the cops are going to stand down while you smash windows and steal shit and everybody get free sneakers yes nothing to do with George Floyd had so many things to do with so many different steps so many different factors that had collided together on that one day yeah yeah
yeah it's it's man I don't know how this will end up man I don't know how it ends up either it ends up me getting the fuck out of La gone huh looks like it come on looks like it I don't I don't see the benefit I want to come back and visit a lot but it's just it's just not not a smart place yeah well I'm unfortunately managed either I'm rooted here unfortunately by the ocean yeah because I'm an ocean guy yeah and so there's
really limited choices in the world yeah it really is that's a problem you know the kind of got me your that connected to the ocean what is it about the ocean that you you always post pictures of the sunrise in the
ocean
I don't think there's you know going surfing just going just going in the ocean and plus my life was kind of being in the SEAL Teams was always we always had that that was part of our life you know part of our life was the
and growing up in the ocean just there's some I don't know you know I guess I guess for me it's a huge like nature thing right you know people you should be give you should go outside go outside and go hiking a mountain you know go go to Montana and hike around see what that feels like go to go to Idaho check that out go to the mountains go to California mountains that you feel different you feel different you feel humbled you feel small you feel perspective so the ocean does that
me and it's just mind clearing right you go out surfing like your mind is clear it's kind of like Jiu-Jitsu hey you got to get out there you don't even know what you've sometimes you don't even you know you get done with a good role in Jiu-Jitsu and you say well hey will you don't barely even remember it because your mind is just gone you're just monkey mind Zen is total Zen State same thing with there being in the water for me surfing same thing like oh I'm out here and my mind is just empty its monkey mind and and I think that's really good
for you plus the fact it's humbling plus the fact it's healthy so yeah I just have a strong connection to the ocean I know my son's real water men you know he's out he serves all the time I'd hate to do that to him and then my little daughters getting her surfing on so yeah it's just one of those things man yeah I get it there's a reason why surf towns like like towns that are near the ocean or chill you get humbled by that like you take yourself seriously look at that
fucking body of water over their stupid yeah you ain't shit you know people say well what makes the Seal team so good in one of the major components has the ocean yeah because when you've got to do an operation that involves the water it just sucks it just everything about it sucks everything about it sucks you're getting in up you know you're parachuting from a plane into the water it's nighttime you got boat you just freaking parachute like drifting around you got to get your motor started it's freezing
cold boats flip over then you got to drive that boat to the beach and you've got a drive through the surf zone your weapons are covered with sand you're freezing cold it's just everything sucks everything sucks about it so when that's kind of your starting and by the way you haven't even conducted your operation yet you do you haven't even started the operation and you're freezing cold your tired your radio got flooded out your night vision goggles are freaking filled with sand everything sucks and now you got to conduct your operation so in order to survive that way
a regular basis that's one of the things that makes the SEAL Teams good as we're we're used to this one additional component all the time that you always have to deal with you have to figure that out you have to be able to gut through it that's why I basic SEAL training they're just put you in the water for a long time this puts you in there we have to develop an attitude that Embraces the suck oh yeah yeah for sure you actually enjoy it in some way some crazy way that you know it sucks like that video that I always quote the your video good
good dude I listened to that in my head all the time and I'm Liz I've watched the video a ton of times and listen to it I played it on this podcast least four times but I hear it when I'm training like if I'm running hills and I'm fucking exhausted and there's like another hundred yards to get to the top of that Hill I hear good good good you exhausted means you're fucking doing it yeah good well suck it up what are your what's your choice what else you going to think about cry you know cry curl up in a ball what I do it
no it's like no actually good bring it let's make this happen and if you can do that you also do that in a sauna when I'm exhausted in the sauna and it's like a hundred ninety degrees and I'm 19 minutes in and you know doing a 30-minute session I'm like good good socks it means it's gonna have a great effect on your body going to get that hormetic effect this is how you get the heat shock proteins pussy yeah hang in there good it's if you want to if you want to do something that's worthwhile yeah it's gonna suck yeah it's just
going to sock and you might as well just enjoy that part of it yes yeah amok myself to this whole thing I do oh you make fun of yourself so all the time yeah I get pissed at that little part of my brain I'm like oh really you think you're going to listen to you yeah not happening not happening at these are the put these things in the kids books you know what I mean hmm put those things I those kids books like there's a one of the kids books talks about this hill horrible Hill you know like this what's this what's going to face horrible Hill
mmm and if what are you gonna do you know it's going to suck
just got to do it yeah you just do it but the thing is it's always sucks while it's happening it's always fucking horrible but then when it's over it feels great that you got through the suck and I don't think most people who don't experience suck they don't experience that feeling of conquering suck yeah and that's the that's the important thing to try and remember yeah so you remember it I remember it I remember what that facility even when it's sucking I'm like I know how this is going to feel I know how pleasant and you know what actually I no other feeling you know
is when you don't do it yeah and the end of the day comes you like dude that was pathetic you didn't even you know you and that's just the worst feeling that's the feeling that really makes you sick and so between that carrot-and-stick carrot being like I know this is going to be good and stick me I know at the end of the day if I'm putting my head on the pillow and I was a bitch that doesn't feel good I don't want none of that it's the worst feeling of all time it's being supported
in yourself but it's also when you're a type of person that wants to achieve and so you always trying to get things done you're trying to push yourself when you fall short because of cowardice or because it is the worst feeling that or just just failure any kind of failure the reason why you would choose one of the reasons why I mean at least I can speak for myself personally do things so hard is because I've felt that sting of failure I you need to know what that feels like especially when you quit
you need to know what quit yeah see that's it you need to know when your own and you need to hear that that fucking sting feel that sting so that when comes up again he like not today bitch not today I've been here before keep going keep going find a way but there's something about good likes just even saying it makes me smile really does it works it really does work because it's an attitude changer and I use the phone
Sana Sana is really easy it's not that it's just fucking 30 minutes you just deal with it but there's something about those last 11 minutes that you can get in your head like fuck me really good probably get the good effect if I just leave now there's like all these little mind games he played but if you just say good does it suck God yeah I started start smiling you can rationalize a lot but you can start rationalizing of light well you know these last four minutes won't really make that big of a difference a shift in perception and the I always noticed that from listening to music when
run like there's a something about listening to a great fucking song when a great song kicks on when you're running like if I'm running in Ted Nugent Stranglehold um you know there's something about Stranglehold because it also has like a double meaning right it's Jiu-Jitsu it's trying to fucking nerve you know you like this so when you hear that here I come again now baby I can run I can run I can get extra energy I'm like where the fuck is that energy coming from what's coming from my mind right the music stimulates my mind
and it kicks in those endorphins and then all of a sudden I got an extra gear well how come I can't just conjure up that fucking extra gear I think you can't you can't gotta figure out how to do that all the time yeah that always is horrible to see like you know in a fight when a guy either he loses a fight and after he lose the fight he's raging he's all mad but he was just gassed right he was just gas where was that where was it where was that right there yeah two and a half minutes ago yeah I mean sometimes just overcoming Anxiety for fight
sometimes it's just that when it's over and the plug is pulled you know it's over and I'm like fuck and then they're angry and raging because they realized they failed they didn't manage their energy correctly they didn't manage their mind their anxiety yeah exactly the same feeling of fucking loser loser I'm so hard on myself in everything I've ever done wrong everything I've ever said wrong just everything just I could I'll be I'll be in the middle of working outside
sometimes I don't think about and go fuck but that is also that that's what makes you work out yeah and that keeps you going that key that makes you achieve it's like people think that it's easy to just kind of go out there and get things done but it's not it's that's why most people don't do it yeah you know I so I don't sleep a lot right and sometimes people are like and look I'm not saying you shouldn't sleep like everyone's asleep as much as they can I don't see why people like a know why don't you sleep more and I'm like bro I wish
I could like I wish it wasn't this little thing in the back of my head going hey hey you know you're actually that you could be doing a lot more right now what about this what about that what about the other thing but that's what's going on in my head there's not something that's going G I have to get up like know there's a thing in there going you better get up you better get up there tracking on you they're watching you you better get up your it's happening there's a bad guy out there he's training harder like that's what's in my head is not in my head like oh no
hey please let the freaking let the freaking powers of the world allow me to go into bed at night and just pass out and be like Oh I'm good I'm satisfied with my life right now I wish I could feel that for freaking eight hours a night it ain't there it ain't there it's like old people talk about staying hungry I can starving starving
all the time all the time like stay hungry yeah you have to like ah yeah I know it never ends it doesn't end that's a thing and you soon as as soon as I get somewhere as soon as I get somewhere I'm like oh no where else well I need to go I need to go somewhere else yeah it sounds like it's about getting soft yeah yeah always no matter what I've ever done I was at home one day they'll be a thing while become satisfied and calm no
know with everything that's good that comes now there's an equal fear of becoming a pussy there's a fear of now becoming lazy and becoming like second-rate and just like God damn it there's no end there's no it so I now I don't even think there's an end no there's there's definitely not on yeah that's that's what's funny about shooting the shooting the bow right is what's flat I find funny about shooting the bow is anger aggression really doesn't help you at all yeah at all
you know what fucks you up huh yeah that's what I'm saying because anger and aggression is all fast-twitch shit too it's all movement whereas the bow is like you got to have the mind of no mind you gotta just just execute and just stay completely focused on the task totally detached from what's Happening yeah and he's got to sit there and it's a new skill really how it's totally news and for me like in the competition that I experienced I only see the only competition I had other than inside the gym you know training partners
is is fighting and that's all fast stuff it's all like explosions and movement so any time where there's danger and anxiety and fear your body is geared up to go quick and move quick but with hunting it's the opposite when you're drawing back on an animal all that anxiety like you better get that quick out of your head yeah there's no quick there's execute and calmness stay in the zone nothing is exists other than the process of executing the perfect shots the same thing with shooting
yo you have you crawl fast you move faster drop fast and then as soon as you punch out that weapon you gotta go boom and like you just gotta let that thing go yeah you see guys myself included like you ever shot had plates before yes likes and you know they're six had plates you'd see me or someone else they miss one and it's if they don't fall if they don't let that go right then everything falls apart Wheels fall off if you if they miss one and then they try and shoot usually I would just miss one and just keep shooting like it didn't even happen maybe go back and get it
where you kind of have to go back and get it but if you go after how'd I miss that was just a total and complete and utter disaster great video the Tim Kennedy put off of him shooting on the Range and you know he puts dummy rounds and with his regular rounds and he hits the dummy round and click and he's a look at that trigger control Trigger Discipline because like there was no Flinch there's no nothing it was just click there's no movement it was perfect you know which is what you trying to achieve Eternal Richie you try you know the last thing you want to see is quick
weird fucking remember when I first started shooting rifles like that's what I would I was I would experience that thing we're anticipating the right you know 30 Win Mag 300 Win Mag so it's got a lot of kick to it you know it's a boom it's like a loud loud kicking gun so there was no round in the chamber and I pulled it and I saw myself doing them like you bitch like you better learn how to stop doing that one thing that's interesting
doing is learning how to shoot a bow radically increase my accuracy with rifle oh yeah radically yeah because it's so Sil there's so much Stillness and everything's free hand right you very rarely shooting a rifle at an animal free hand usually trying to find a rest unless it's like inside of you know 60 70 yards you're probably going to try to rest you're not going to shoot a 300 yard shot with a rifle freehand but with a bow everything's free hand so with a rifle I just knew that all was just
squeeze squeeze squeeze Let It Go off just let it go off squeeze squeeze squeeze boom like when I started shooting at Tarrant tactical shooting on the Range the easiest thing for me was rifle it's like oh God I'll have to do is just squeeze and it'll the trigger will go off I'm so used to a bow where there's so many moving parts and using your back and you let it go off a surprise shot it made a big difference in my rifle accuracy yeah that was when I went Dudley was teaching me how to shoot and Andy was there too so Andy
like translating for me he's like hey what do you mean zero he's translating it to seal - pistol shooting and they're kind of like communicating to each other and then and he said hey what he's saying is like you know front side folks I was like okay cool got it you know and I as awesome to have have freaking Dudley I know the first person that ever chose me anything about archery's Dudley saying hey here's the bow and here's exactly how to shoot you idiot and I'm like thank you that's pretty goddamn lucky yeah I mean we're both real lucky in that regard my learned how to
bow hunt from campaigns and John Douglas like she's it's pretty lucky those are those are like the world champions yeah yeah yeah that's that's Jordan and Kobe Bryant or the Jordan and LeBron James pletely yeah hundred percent yeah it's we're very fortunate and it's there's something about hunting to that once you it's it seems like when you look at it on the surface it seems so straightforward and then once you
doing it it's very much like martial arts wheel I was like goddamn there's a lot of layers to this shit there's so many layers you know and then when you're hanging out with a guy like cam or a guy like Dudley and you hunt with them and you see them hunt you go oh like this is I get it this is a black belt oh yes is on Monday house Champion here oh yeah yeah it's exactly what it is so so crazy yeah so crazy to see those guys in action and just to be like listening to what Dudley
he's telling me about what a freaking elk is going to do yeah yeah I'm like well I guess that just about to happen oh and it just happened yeah it's Madness and then with Dudley to is like he's so into cooking it too he's so good at cooking it's like you get the whole lifestyle thing from him you get like this learning how the the art of archery which really is an art form it's an art form just like martial arts are and then this
moment of keeping your shit together in the execution of the shot and then the big payoff when that does happen and then the harvesting the animal carrying it out and then the meal that meal afterwards when you've had a successful hunting trip it's like God damn well we're in Camp in Utah and Dudley made that neck that neck roast with with jalapenos and the bell peppers and holy shit that was good but it was also so good because you knew what went down and you know you were there when he shot the elk
it's all it's all so crazy it's it's so satisfying that I can't imagine it not being a part of my life and not in that meat not being a part of my diet
changes you yeah
so it's too bad that it's not more available to people yeah no yeah it's not it's hard it's there's a high bar for accessibility it's very and we got real lucky for sure we get to hunted the Deseret Ranch and Utah which is this incredible place it's a private property it's all wild animals is no fences but it's private property so there's not an overwhelming number of people like there's a lot of guys that they try to go on the public
and unless you will in a hike in 20 miles and there's a lot of guys that are willing now to hike in 20 miles because there's now this culture of these really fit backpack Hunters like these are and Snyder type dudes who put these fucking heavy packs on and they just go they they're training for this moment all year round like Aaron has this crazy setup in his gym where he has this elevated treadmill and then each of the treadmill on each side has
like a like an Olympic Bar and you lift the bar so you're holding weight and you're going up this elevated treadmill might Jesus fucking Christ man but that's that's what you have to do if you want to be Mountain fit to be able to do that and that's the barrier for entry to go and do these public land hunts everybody stops at the trailhead everybody gets out of their car and then how far are you going to go because he's willing to go 20 fucking miles in are you willing to go 20 miles in yeah it's going to take a
hours and then come 20 miles back out with a moose on your back we can do something that's like that's the totally legit yeah totally legit is legit as it gets yeah and most of those guys all had to learn themselves they ought to teach themselves and you know they evolved we know we're real lucky that like we get this amazing coaching so we're getting this these giant even though there's so many layers to it and we're both kind I mean I've been doing it now I've been hunting for eight years bow hunting for I guess
six six ish total rookie you know I'm still like a blue belt or maybe maybe on my getting ready to be a purple belt maybe I might get my purple belt soon but you know you go out with those guys they're fucking 10th degree black belt and it's like there's even though there's you know this this barrier for entry it is still possible it's still possible but it's just like Jiu-Jitsu it's like when you when you talk in that blue belt you like keep fucking going yeah and you can make it you can do this you know speaking of which
I have to at least bring this up a little bit to clarify a little bit what I did to John Dudley on the Jujitsu Max broke his neck he broke as fuck here's the only part that you're missing it's missing a little bit right so I'm giving him
his wife like a like a just do private so you broke his name he's white and he's their little dud was there so it was getting worse you broke his neck in front of his wife and his son so I'm just completely you know I'm chilling and Ike hey this is this this is that and I'm not even I'm not even doing it like this is that we in one weekend Andy John and me we did we did archery which I had never done before then we did Jujitsu which John had ever done before
then we went on the Wind Tunnel which John and never done before us you know because and he's like a sky God parachuting blah blah and so we did those three things it was kind of like a cool weekend I mean that's kind of an epic weekend really but yeah let's be honest so it's you just do time so I'm like Okay cool so I'm going over hey this is the guard this is the mountain going over all the basic stuff I'm just giving the basic overall kind of Concepts so I get done with that you know and I'm done like I'm done I
I'm just done I'm like okay you know great it's good introduction and then Dudley is like well let's go a little bit
and I'm like does the wrong language I would have pulled him aside come here so he's like let's go a little bit and even that you know what I'm totally cool with that of course he wasn't I die he wasn't mean and he would go wasn't thinking he was gonna be there wasn't it he's he wants experience yeah I shouldn't have even said let's go a little he was like he was like hey can we just can we try it you know something like that just being cool and I'm like absolutely man no problem so so I lay down on the ground right and I'm like he says well what should I do I go you know just attack me as I lay down on my back home
just attack me and guess what he did what he did he freaking attacked me he like came at me and Dudley's a big strong athletic guy he's six what does he six five at least yeah so he caught me fucking he grabs and I'm telling you know I'm just like okay cool he comes at me I think I like grabbed me and so I kind of replace guard and then I sweep him and I'm not and so I mounted in all this is just pretty chill and I put in a
zika Ezekiel choke right which I have a little yeah noogie Ezekiel choke I have a little have a little good technique for doing it but no big deal so I put in the Ezekiel choke he's this is the thing that I really
wish I should have explained more because we hadn't rolled I wasn't like hey when you start to feel like you got if you got to tap out right he knew to tap out but I kind of figured everyone knows how to tap out so I put the choke in on him right well he doesn't know what to do so he he's grabbing me and he's polite he's squeezing me so he's on the bottom I mounted I've got the Ezekiel choke in and in order to defend himself in his own mind he's squeezing me into him which the way I do Mai
choke it hurts I mean it compresses the choke even more and so what are you doing specifically basically I put my hand to make a fist and I put my fist in my sternum and then I you know grab the form here and then Arch my shoulder so there's the neck right here it closes it right so it's like putting the fist into the fist into right it's a trach it's an air choke it's gnarly and so I'm just doing this and you can see that hole and you shrug but as I'm doing this he's panicking and pulling me into him
oh Jesus and he only did it for a second and then heat and any Taps out and I was like yeah you know and I wasn't I was just like oh you know boom and then he Taps and then the rest of the stories I guess I didn't know a lot about the rest of this day I didn't know any of the rest is OCD one is easy baby yeah it fractured like his hyoid bone and then it built calcium up around it so he calls up Andy one day and he goes dude I think I got throat cancer because there's something growing
in my throat and he goes the doctor gets an x-ray and he's like hey did you do something to your neck because there's a there's a hairline fracture that's not now calcium deposit around it and he's like oh I know what happened so I guess
in my defense why didn't you just get him in like a head and arm dude or something it wasn't that it wasn't like a big deal it wasn't her it wasn't crazy it wasn't crazy it was just normal be like if if you grab somebody that showed up he was like Hey you know I can you roll with me you'd be like oh cool and you put him in a kind of whatever presented so maybe darmok mm maybe you do chimaera problem is when you get used to doing certain types of chokes and then you're doing it to someone who doesn't especially that where you got a fist yeah
in the neck and I this is I guess this is the only thing he make no mistake about it even though I was just chilling he was not he was going level 7 Berserker mode all good maybe such a good athlete you know the other thing about people that have never done Jiu-Jitsu when they're doing it with someone who's a black belt they probably feel like they can just kind of go crazy and you'll just absorb it and deal with it and so they just try it let's see what happens when I go crazy so now he holds
hold this over my head you know he broke his neck yeah I was like oh I know I know one day I'm like I'm like we're up in Montana and I said hey man he's like he's it's like he was at my house he's off thanks for having us over I go bro
you can keep you know you taught me how to do this you brought me up here you take me hunting like you're doing all this awesome stuff man you know you're the man dude I really appreciate because yeah you know what you did for me like what he goes broke my neck it's awful bro it's all good now though right oh yeah so now bothering him anymore oh I don't know about that I thought you meant it's all good between us it's all good between us he's a sucky do both
things about you know he coughs oh no he coughs hopefully I mean I haven't talked to him about it I don't like to bring it up a lot but so there's something in there that's fucking with his throw something in there is making him cough so they'd have to probably get in there and scrape it so while we're hunting he would be like yeah and then he'd look at me oh no I'm just they get all of such a such a horrible oh no it's you know I was I would say like
you know idealist derided being bending Lester's training partner for 20-something years
up until recently he never hurt me and I never heard him never I mean until recently yeah because he had an operating me and here ended up hurting me in the dumbest possible way I show up to class this was like this is over a year ago because I it hurt my archery for a while I show up to class late right and he's teaching and we're just going to roll but I come out and he's like finishing the class and I'm cold and I'm just just getting on the mat and he's says L let me show you let me show something he goes here lay down
gets a he gets a straight like Ali gets an Americana on me or a camera but anyways he's like hey try and get out by straightening your arm and the whole class is watching he goes try and get out by straighten your arm I'm and I go okay cool and so he puts me across he gets across side he puts the think it was I think there's an action camera he says this is all right now try and this is running because he's like straight arm Kimora he's about to straighten he's a my arm is here and he's about to straight he wants me to try and get
a out by like doing almost like a hitchhiker Escape or something so he says he says trying it out by straightening out my go okay I straighten my arm and he just in a millisecond and you could hear it armlocks me totally destroyed my arm I'm not totally it was injured very bad the first time in my life I had to get a sling this bro this guy comes over to me Dean Lister and he goes bro and he's all he's such a nice guy he's a problem so sorry and he goes I didn't know your elbow was
very flexible I go bro it's an elbow elbows are flexible their bone dude I know you L wasn't flexible D needs a DNA test because I know he's at least 86 percent Neanderthal yeah at a minimum the way his neck and shoulders move together minimum can see that do with like a big club for sure and a total total mutant and a savant on the Jujitsu Mouse yeah a complete Savant on the Jutsu mouth well he's the literally The Missing Link
he's the link I shouldn't say the missing like the link to Jujitsu expanding it to the leg lock modern Jiu-Jitsu it's a hundred percent she didn't list her owner and the the statement that he made to John danaher is become world famous because danaher set it on my podcast he said Dean Lester said to him why would you enjoy why would you ignore 50% of the human body and danaher being the fucking genius that he is was like why would you enjoy yeah why would you so would you know most of the like you know all these new things that are coming out now right yeah
you see Gordon Ryan just insane all these guys that are really attacking legs now and by the way just like Dean Gordon's not only good at attacking legs he's good at everything but I I was asking Dean because I watched you know Dean's done all these moves to me for years you know and just just over and over again right this is what we do with what we just what we've been doing we've been doing it since he won a TCC when when Eddie beat boiler when Dean one when he beat kakariko in the finals
with what they now call 50/50 which he and I called kakariko after that we call that kakariko Nolan started doing it for another many many probably 10 years regularly I was there they are oh yeah and I wasn't there that year I was I was there when Eddie one in San Diego we were all and I competed in San Diego Dean compete in San Diego and Eddie competed in San Diego for the trials I was there for that too Eddie one yeah Dean one I lost too
Big Country Roy Nelson yeah and I did because I wasn't very tactically smart I scrambled to position and I tried to get a matter of fact I got a crucifix because that was kind of one of my go-to moves get a crucifix and I get a choke from there when I should have taken the back and gotten points and I didn't and Roy Nelson who is a great guy and he's a total stud he I got the crucifix position and he like
powered out of bounds and so then and he beat me he's much better wrestler than me
and awesome at Jujitsu to anyways when he won that like we were doing this stuff so anyways right probably six months ago three months ago I was asking you know I said hey Deena are you starting to see things that you didn't know right when your watch because he watches you know my asset are you starting to see Jiu-Jitsu things that you didn't that you didn't know like foot lock stuff and he's like he's like yeah about three or four months ago I started
and some things that I didn't think of so that's how long it took people to get to and then start to develop their own stuff which is which is pretty crazy well it's fascinating that once the game moved into this sort of leglock heavy style that so many guy like Craig Jones and Gordon Ryan and there's you know Gary toning there's so many of those guys that you're seeing this game getting Tighter and Tighter with leglocks yeah there and John danaher
Salmon's everything to because danaher his body is broken he can't really compete in your I mean he has an artificial hip he's got an artificial knee his body's really fucked up and it his the other his other knee is really unstable so he can roll but he can only roll very controlled with guys who understand his physical limitations and you can see how he understands positions you can get a lot out of rolling with him there's a great video actually have Gordon Ryan rolling with John Donne her and obviously the not using strength or just flow rolling
but you see how tactical he is and how head of every position he is and how his deep understanding of it and part of it is because he's teaching these guys and he's teaching them from position where he can't really do it himself he can do it but can't compete the control right you're right but but but he has the mind for it so he's seeing it from the outside and he's also this fucking really genius human being yeah so he's able to break this down
down and then he has his core group of badasses that understand what a great pleasure it is to have this genius teach you I mean it's not a coincidence that that whole hens oh Gracie team has become one of the biggest threats like that whole team is filled with fucking murderers yeah and they're just to again emphasize the point is leg locks are a part of the game and there was a time period where people thought that leglocks would
each the game completely and at a certain point the defense's for the leg locks become known and all of a sudden you have to go back to the other parts of Jiu-Jitsu and that's why you see guys like toning right he doesn't always win with heel hooks but you have to address them or you will lose right and yeah those guys it's really cool to see those guys coming up I mean it's suction on why I'm kind of seeing a common up like I'm like like there but I'm watching this development yeah
which I was at kind of Ground Zero with Dean Lister and the crazy thing is
Dean Lister he has like a like a crazy Savant mind where I would create one thing for every whatever for every 20 things that Dean created it's probably like Eddie and I don't know Eddie as well as you do but just the creative part of his brain is what the most powerful thing was yeah and then once people saw it there like okay now we can build upon this ever
Eddie it's a hundred percent the creative part of his brain and also the fact that when I met Eddie he hated lifting weights who wouldn't live weight because I would try to get them lift weights if I come on let's go flies up I'm fucking live to shit like you can go lift weights oh so he was this little tiny guy and he had to rely on technique so he had to rely on trickery plus he was a musician right so he's always this creative guy and he smoked a lot of weed to so he's always thinking about things outside the box and he's also this guy that doesn't like people telling them when he's wrong so like you know a
you can't do it that way is like oh really hmm let's see if I can and then he would find a way to do it and you know and he just developed all these like weird entries into things and these weird setups that people didn't see coming and once he sort of improved upon these and then started expanding upon them and developing that whole 10th Planet system I mean really it's insanely creative system that's just developed based on his ability to just think outside the box
I Jeff Glover at my training in my dream for a long time TJ's another one he's the same thing where he's small he's crazy flexible he smokes a lot of weed and like the he would just do wild things Wild Things I was at a g I was at I was actually at a TCC I was with my son my son was probably like nine or something and where they're watching and Jeff Glover's about to compete this was before I really was friends with Jeff was he doing that donkey
good thing back then he was doing everything you ate the donkey guard hadn't become super popular but he was kind of in the beginning stages of it so I'm sitting there next to my son and we're at a TCC so it's a small thing you know I go I said my son you know I can't watch this guy that's about to come out he's crazy and Glover comes out and he'd like just he falls on his back flips inverted guard and starts like just going insane just doing insane things and you know the rest of the matches are two guys you're playing patty-cakes to look for the takedown
Glover comes out falls down freaking just doing all kinds of Wildlife and then submits to dude and 30s 38 seconds and my son looks me Nicholas he was I thought you meant like crazy because I didn't know you meant crazy and I go yes he thought you meant like brutish yes British crazy and he didn't think I meant just weirdly quiet that what that weird creative thing is yeah that's one of the best things about learning Jiu-Jitsu from a small person like those small guys
sighs they figure out how to get around things I mean there's been a bunch of you know Euler Gracie's a great example of it to Eddie Glover yeah yeah that's that's why I'm never a good that's why I'm a bad person to introduce people to Jujitsu right because they just think oh yeah of course you're a gorilla you know you outweigh Me by 40 or 50 pounds yeah I love I used to always have Jeff Glover on standby at my gym like oh you don't oh yeah okay go don't go trying with that guy over there see what happens and when Jeff goes against a like a big strong guy
he going to get some there they've really get so disappointed in themselves it's so sad he said he said the easiest people for him to Rolling or big like muscular guys really but he says the easiest people for him to roll with our big muscular guys like big muscular guy ceases all I love I love role at them they're so easy that's so crazy because most people get injured mmm rolling with like glasses rare and flexible now his I think is I think is next jacked up now though is it now
that's a thing that gets everybody is the goddamn neck the net you know because very few guys really strengthening that correctly either I think the neck is one thing that you absolutely should strengthen I think you can get away with not lifting weights and doing Jujitsu but I don't think you can get away with not strengthening your neck for very long yeah that's a it's one of those things and it connects you to the rest of your freaking body also use it you use it more than you think you know especially me I was a my my
technique is probably heading arm choke and you're using your neck and to secure that arm and once you develop a feel for holding an arm and place with that neck the neck gets a workout man you know you really you use it a lot more than you think and if you can strengthen your neck it's just it's such a big Advantage it's also a big advantage in avoiding getting hurt because it strengthens the whole chain from the top of your spine all the way down now that's why I'm which is a big fan of that iron neck I just used it right now right but right before
the podcast I was doing it I do it every fucking day man I put that I have one I bought one love it the emailed me a bunch of like bro how do you like it it's all good it's fucking awesome between that and you know there's a few other back exercises and stuff that I think are critical to strengthen the lower back too because it's another thing that guys always get jacked is their lower back yeah you know the weird thing is people people people is next get jacked up regardless like there's people that go through life doing whatever paperwork and they end up with a bad neck
Jack is a vulnerable thing so if you did take care of it especially when you are abusing it when you are getting choked when you are not tapping it's one of those things that I judge people and then next on the size of their neck you have I see some little skinny neck we doing man yeah do some coding somebody just just doesn't seem like it would be a good thing to have it's that's the thing that holds your head on I can't wait for the future when your neck is all jacked up and you go in and they just put you in surgery for two hours
come out you got a metal spine that's what's going I'm gonna be the first person I'm right in line you want to give me a medal spine or any metal components inside my body you're done with that I'm a hundred percent down let's make it happen he's got a fake disc and he's got a titanium articulating disc which where lower back is his lower back had been so smashed and suppress that his you know that's one of the things that's why men when they get older they shrink as your discs get squished to the point and they start touching
seeing you get stenosis do you think you can go too far with flexibility that it starts to injure you over the long term
well I don't think you can go too far with flexibility but flexibility without strength perhaps because maybe that inflexibility like maybe you'll get like some muscle damage you know when you're trying to push too far that will prevent you from getting disc damage maybe this is speculation but I think it's critical it's just so critical to strengthen your back man I mean I'm always doing reverse Hyper's and I do all these different like back extensions I just think strengthening that whole
column and yoga in particular and then the neck the iron that I just think that whole thing it's like too many guys just rely on their workouts to strengthen that and they don't take it as like hey I really like doing Jiu-Jitsu I really like doing more time I want to put in the time to work out these areas house that he's back now it's not a hundred percent it's still fucks them a little bit but he's rolling again but he's got a fake disks a desk it's a titanium disc that they replace the smushy
art with this thing that rolls and moves but it still creates some inflammation whenever look I know Ronnie Coleman here last week I know I listen to him and his whole back is all fused and it's horrible man I mean he can't walk and you know he's the king greatest Olympian of all time I mean he's a fucking amazing Pro bodybuilder eight times mr. Olympia I wasn't even watching a documentary yeah you see the document on didn't I didn't really good man really just what a good guy great guy what a nice guy
it'd be nicer couldn't end in pain in fucking Agony the still work around Li and oh wouldn't wouldn't have it any other way and he talks about the the days that he like he was talking about squatting 800 pounds and that like he'll he said he's going to do it for two reps and after the two reps so I could have got more and to this day he thinks he should have got more
that's what we were talking about earlier right that's keeping you up at night that's why he's a champion I mean that really is that that's what made him a champion did you watch the video the West Side versus the world documentary know I did with Elise and I got to interview Louis no it's fine listen to that one type or another piece of his equipment to that belt squat machine okay which is amazing it puts all the weight on your on your hips versus on your back he's a fucking wild dude I don't I want to go out there and hang out oh he would love you man
love you he's you would love him to man he's that is Lulu he is and he's got this fucking gym filled with barbarians oh yeah just all they're doing is just trying to lift the maximum amount of weight they can lift insane my kid my kid watch that and hit you know I think he's just all about it now right beside him in his little buddies talking about Louis Simmons yolks contain go heavier I mean Jamie and I were in his office interviewing
m-maybe that's where we did it we actually know you went out there podcast at Westside yeah I was in Columbus doing stand-up and I just had to interview him that's all I just knew I knew dislike I want to get the guy in his gym to it's just fucking amazing gives a tour of the gym and then we did a podcast at his desk it was awesome what a rare human being yeah they don't make them like Louis Simmons but also a genius like here's a guy who figured out like his disc was fucked up and they were like we're going to fuse you and he's like well let me think of this
made it compress I'm going to figure out something to make a decompress and strengthen that area and that's where the reverse hyper came from which I think should be a staple in every gem that reverse hyper machine for strengthening the lower back and then an actively decompress and I've never found anything better that's all in Lucy mm Simmons mind it came out of his own brain because of his injury
that he came back from after Wizard and was squatting whatever 729 world record at whatever 62 years old yeah but I wouldn't recommend any things he does he does I mean here's a guy got his biceps reattached and then blew it out because it was too annoying to not be able to work out so you just went back to working out and pop snap back off they'll cold but soon as I know biceps just pulls back grazing animal get his shoulder redone they gave him an artificial shoulder goes back to
Jim and they like you're gonna max out today they made his friends made him Max out after his shoulder surgery with an artificial shoulder like okay like just that's just the culture yeah the culture is it doesn't matter injuries don't matter in the in the documentary one of the guys were saying my goal was to hurt Louis when he came in the gym my goal was to hurt him I wanted him to get hurt I wanted to push him so hard that he got hurt this is then this is one of his buddies
yeah one of his friends one of his training Partners my goal was to hurt him that's that culture though I mean that's how you develop such a legendary place you have to have the sensibilities or beyond what a normal person would consider a prudent thing to do yeah and if people the people that could withstand that kind of pressure became Champions yeah became world record holders it's all about the Mind Jocko that's what it nobody knows one you we just did three hours dude let me give you a covert test now it's 3:30 let's get some all right let's get some thank you brother
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