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Based off of our connection and just you being a friend. I need to show you my to tech companies and get your perspective on it. Because now I have friends that can give a perspective like when I will work on albums, I had other friends that worked on albums and they would give me their perspectives on it, you know, do this. We are doing it. This is part of it. This is part of it absolutely night. Beautiful. Oh, well, I wanted to finish. The thing is. Okay, you're going to ask me different questions but I'm about growing and building and bringing
Idea to life. So, when I see you, I say, oh, this guy understands how to hire Engineers, where I'm coming from coming from Hollywood, coming from press, coming from media, all of the guys, you know, that so many of the guys that have been like voices and faces and Talking Heads, whatever have not understood how to engineer product. And that's the reason why I was able to jump past everyone in the entertainment field and become, you know, whatever than that.
Worth is 11, but Imma stop putting the whole black thing on my word for, like, let's just see where I am on the scale of life. Because that's a cop-out. For me to say riches black guy of all time, because that's feeding into the same, you know, trauma economy, that black lives matter feeds into, that's why I love and respect Engineers. That's the only
thing that we really need to teach in school is
engineering, we don't need to teach history. We don't need to teach anything.
That is subjective. It needs to only be engineering taught in school and everything else needs to be recess. Nothing at all any Force. Subjective, information is just to weekend and indoctrinate our species and that's what schools do now
as an engineer, I love hear you say that, but to push back, history is not the interpretation of History might be subjective, but history has some facts and they're useful to give a
ending to the way you do
engineering. I don't 100% believe in anything, any concept of the future, any concept of History because history was just written by The
Victors. Yeah,
that's so if I see stuff happened on the day that later, that day is reported wrong. So how wrong is something reported a thousand years ago? And why would we argue about something that's not in the now? Because that's the only thing that everyone can agree with pollen. Is that it
Is now right
now. Yeah, you try not to make the mistakes of the past, that's the usefulness a history, The Limited usefulness of the biggest
mistake from the past that we keep making is looking at the past
too much, giving too much value to the
past, too much value to the past. We are now we are now we are here. We are one species. We Are One race.
We're here, and it's time and the leadership is changing because you have Elon as a leader. Yay, as the leader, and we are the top leaders, we're more influential than the
president's. So you're a human being with the engineering challenges. Before you do the stunt player with parlor. What's the hardest thing in front of you on the engineering
front? That's the first sentence that any of our species needs to hear when they're born.
Our human being when engineering challenges and I considered consider challenges to be opportunities in front of you. Literally like let me see if he's free, I need to write that down. That's the beginning. Good luck of our new species Constitution. I'ma Do the page paper like this. Why is put in widescreen this this for Ridley you?
are not let me like you
are a
being
With.
In.
Jay
nearing opportunity.
Or challenges
opportunities.
I'm sorry, I don't spell as good as John Legend opportunities.
and,
before you
I like the before because it can mean as you can mean forward or before you this, right? Have always said I'm the top five writer and human existence. But I dislike, this right here is pushing me to like number four or number three.
It's a good. Because who
would you say is the top and it's typewriter humor existing, we know who it
is. That's subjective. Who's the ice factual, though, that it's like, whoo. Okay? Who's the
top person in Tech History? It's not subjective.
Well, here's a non-subjective answer to both of those. Both of those people have influence 30% of our existence.
So the influence is a, is the main metric of
greatness. Okay, one person. Yeah, 30% of our language was the English language was written by them. The other person 30% of the products we use was led by them.
So there was a lot of our language of about Shakespeare, and it wasn't the product product product,
Product. But Steve Jobs. Yeah.
You put Steve above, like, elon's of the world, Castillo is a designer. Not, he's a design engineer, but he's design. He's a Visionary in the design space.
Well, I would lay into him because I'm not an engineer, right? So, I'm more like, then you're an engineer. If Steve is
engineer, you're an engineer. Essentially, he's a
cultural engineer, like the people who run the emotions of the world on one, the world off of people's emotions. Right now, our social engineers and social engineering is so important like like,
City design, there's a fancier word for that, but I was I was in Oxnard last night to see Anthony Jeselnik and I gotta find out what his opening joke was because I'm doing interviews and I'm thinking I'm funny and I like that he said he's just kept on saying 20-year anniversary. I've been doing this for 20 years and his opening joke was so high level. I realized that I wasn't funny. I
that this dude is a professional at what he does and so many things are subjective. I always talk about this is like, you know, people are arguing that I guess, Emily Ratajkowski the hottest, you know, person. And I'm like, that's such a subjective thing. But like, if you go and shoot three-pointers with Steph Curry it's not subjective, right? Or if you go and compare bank accounts with Ilan, it's not subjective. And another thing that's not subjective.
Porn. What about
it? Dick size, it's not subjective. You can measure but porn is more
about more than just dick size and greatness is more than the size of the bank account, right? So there's a symmetry of this is subjective though, right? So you do do care about the stuff.
That's objective or subjective more because greatness to me is what matters. The bank account comes and goes
The impact on our society, like you said, social engineering, the impact on the collective intelligence of our species. That what permeates throughout the rest of the time? I like what you said the
impact I'm taking notes? How did you say that
collective intelligence of our species impact on the
collective?
And two.
Yay is writing down the words that came out of my dumb mouth. I have made it in life.
There's a lot of people that have kind of, like, sit through sat through, I wanted to wear a different color hoodie because I was tired of seeing this hoodie and all the interviews. And there's a lot of kids that are with me, they see what I'm saying. Yeah. And they had to sit through all of the muck of all the previous interviews to get to this every interview has been just an emotional, it's just like been an argument
Up to this point. This is the first of,
this is the next
Frontier of, where are our species is going to head. It starts here, it starts with you, Lex.
So this is the first time I heard you say, the word engineering at least so many times which I love hearing. So this is where you're at, you're like that newborn you're a being with engineering
opportunities. Yeah. And we're all a newborn because in Christianity is a born-again
Then we're all newborns and everyone can everyone shall like the word can shell only thing about shell. It's like dick kind of dictates and can kind of kind of let people off the hook. So I haven't found the perfect post Shakespeare and post Steve Jobs and post Ceylon and post. Yeah, and post Drake way to communicate this but
we update
And we do and what the current media structure? No, it's not actually nothing is holding us. There's nothing actually holding us back because I'm still alive. I'm still alive. Like they could have killed me at, you know, George Bush doesn't care about black people. They could have killed me at Beyonce had the best video, but we're here now. So we just keep on leaning and leaning, and leaning. And there's these things where I just think about, you know, there'll be times when I'm at War,
And every now and then, when the, when the bomb stop going off and all the headlines in the smearing and all that stuff going off, I think about my family and I think about Kim and I think about how you know, King Koopa has her in the castle right now and just saw on Mario Brothers you know how it is, just go for the princes and get to this level and it's like don't do after I'm like sung the song wrong, right? And
They take the princess again.
Which one are you Mario? Yeah.
What's your favorite thing? The thing you love the most about Kim from a Mario perspective and the princess
Looking back.
Was there a moment? She's definitely my favorite of all time. Yeah. Was there a moment that you know like that catches you off-guard and you say I love this human being
yeah, I mean
it's just the DNA is like she's a mix of Rob and
Chris
Can you explain?
I mean, that's
like a really high pool right there. That's the like two geniuses.
So okay, so like the
entire of
history of evolution of the human species created, this DNA that created this being, there's a life there. This is set of memories in the history that brought you together. And you're like damn I like this
DNA. Yeah, it starts certain people have just like, hi DNA Ivanka, Trump has high
DNA,
you know, it's like how's your DNA?
Pretty
good. I think we've seen that it's been proven, I mean but look at my look at my mom and look at my dad, you know, me and my dad have a water purification Center and the Dr right now and my dad is the original Steve Jobs and he was blocked by people around him and people were using him and taking advantage and you know not believing in his vision. He's my Dad's too educated version of.
Yay.
Would you learn about life from your
dad?
My dad got girls
too but those are small details. That's a big detail being
that I found my dad's you know Playboy when I was 5 years old, it is it greatly affected my
motivation? Yeah. So that's part of the engine that drives. Yay.
Absolutely. I remember when Pharrell was first in all the videos and my girls like girls like for real and I was like I want girls to like me too
funny that that's behind
All the ambition. All the drive is how we make people fat. People are made the desire to be loved
Is that at the individual level just being noticed and also at the societal level scale. Well now
I've gone past I'm like at that place where Nikolai Tesla was later into his career where it wasn't about being loved, it wasn't about sitting at the dinner party's next to Anna Wintour and stuff. It was about getting the idea across. So I have these cells that are very and I just keep on saying really Scott, but really Scott.
Has a special anointing. It isn't just sci-fi what he's doing. There's something in there just like George. Lucas, there's something different that's there. So,
We drawing, I'm drawing these new living cells that we will exist in and this is over. Okay. That's do like
I don't like talking about money because like man made money, I many ways like for quadrillion respected dollars and then you have other forms of currency. Of course, social currency is super important right now, but this is a drawing and it's at a pretty good place. Now this before 80,000 square feet, I want to start just talking and M I just think we should go to anything to
Are the Tower of Basel. Like they say, when the
I'm just draw a person here for scale.
Yeah, that would help.
Okay.
What do you think of that? Look at my person. See the scale. And it's from all right,
so, wait the.is the person. Yeah,
I'm saying is 40,000 square feet, but that would be like, what kind of the parts of the cell, okay? So what it's a screen, it doesn't go all that all the way to the top, and it's one hole for light, but the water and the light and are all come in from the top. So that's like,
Mike the mouth
and then this is the belly button.
We're God's iPhone, where his greatest creation.
So this is all connected. These are all
connected and gas. I'm drawing how these other cells go next to each other. What's the
vision here?
Happiness
there, we talked about like what's the motivation like? Yeah, there's a motivation somewhere in the back of my mind of
My family and if it's like where Moses might The Rock and God didn't allow him to get to the promised land because the promised land is family, that is the problem set that is Earth, I mean that is heaven on Earth is family. Family is having that's the promised land and for your family to be together. So say I smite The Rock and God doesn't let me
My family back, my mission and life is still too.
Promote families at all costs and make family's existence easier. So, you take this thing,
put localized
a localized farm. So if it's in community that we do localized growing and then we partner with big Pharma and on and say hey you're actually going to make more money by making better food.
Because at the end of day, you want money right now. It's like everyone knows that between the pesticides and between the medical industry and especially America that we're keeping people sick and we know that McDonald's makes food that kills people and you know, Coca-Cola selling, you know, sugar water and all this like just in case I haven't pissed off enough people in power. Yeah, okay so you're gonna piss off
the shirt and your buddy that's powered on sugar sugar or
sugar. What's the health was actually a document my documentary on sugar
They wasn't about how that meat was. It was like a reverse documentary on sugar over, I don't know if you call a reverse like a sub but if you watch it again, when they show sugar in it's just sugar. Looks super clean.
Yeah. Just as I State as I
State these things, I know that I know I have protection. If I have God's protection. That's why I'm here to this date, right? So it it's for me to have this platform and express exactly what I feel because it's kids out there, right? That it's kids, that are going to save the world through engineering and through facts. And I've got to get download as much.
Of the information. And as much of the don't be afraid to State. Your facts is the biggest thing because the world is being ran by fear and that is no actually got runs the world, but there's just like, little Cloud. This patina of our ego that deals with the money and the car and the girl were dating all this in the clothes you wear, and spending too much on clothes and a lot of stuff that I've been involved with promoting. So now what I'm promoting is, you have the idea, you say it out loud like you,
Like if you had Tourette's, say your truth out loud if you hate. Yeah, you hate me. Say that out loud, say whatever you feel out loud, like you said non-violently, you know nonviolent nonviolent have to say that like as you know you know as a shout out to Alex Jones you know and Trump where they try to say that when they say their truths out loud that it's inciting violence and let's be like, really clear. I'm saying that
They have criminalized freethought the, you know, they hate when people used a like they gets the blame for everything. Right? It's always day.
Who the fuck is that? Exactly. Thomas days
us. Yeah, well, I love that. What we need to do is turn I to we so we take the responsibility and turn they to us. So we take
accountability to us.
They I to we, and they to us and that relates it's a language. At the same time, you've seen the language of our surroundings. You're seeing the language of one of the things. Look at us, go back to the cell explanation because I'm also doing a. What's that thing when Ilan? Just put all the information open and people could figure out if they could figure it out and open source are open source outcome, open sourcing this idea right now. So that, you know,
Engineers and anointed people, beings anointed beings can collectively contribute to this to push our species for it. So we're I've got to with my research is that there will be a hole at the top that allows natural light natural air. And there's a constant water system, so it becomes like a water city where it's a constant flow.
That's not its is regenerative. It's not wasting the water and it's just a constant flow. So I put the toilet, really close to where this,
this,
I don't want to call it a wave pool, but in the pools of water is that still so that
exists in water?
Jana by water. Well, the
living room is that you have two rooms have the dry room which would people will call the living room before and then you have the wet room.
How's that, a source of Happiness? What is broken about our world today? That that gives you in terms of the pursuit of happiness, which is one of the
things. All of our build previous Declaration of your, all of our buildings are based on
just
the industry and the economy and then people, lean into what people are used to
seeing
Like
what we think is attractive because then you go back to the, you know, women who give life. So everyone wants to be attractive.
To the attractive. And that's the reason why the media goes and gets, you know, Bella Hadid Kim Kardashian. Emily Ratajkowski
Those are the only ones I'm going to this more, there's more but I'm I'm thinking of ones that I think are
attractive. It is
subjective because it's subject or so to my subjective which I think I think the only guys that could argue with me on my opinion on girls to be Brad and Leo because we'd only ones with the track record, you know, everything else. So if everybody else is subjective
I've got history.
So are you? Are you? Are you
happy?
Absolutely, I'm just here. It's actually
it's difficult to make me.
Unhappy. Now I could deal with frustrations but when those frustrations are it's like when you've allowed people to be in your life that shouldn't be there and then they do the thing. You knew they were going to do and you're screaming at them but you really need to scream at yourself.
Yeah, so you realize anything that's like, anger or frustration. That's something that's wrong with you. That needs to be
dealt with.
Yes, like right now. Okay. Say I got this pattern cutter that I want it.
To remove because I felt like she was copying our patterns into the computer and I don't know why she wanted to do that and I just wanted to do the patterns by hand and then, you know, you
mean like automating the patterns is.
Yeah and my head of it because they just that's the whole thing. It's like
It's a war is a war of human beings and robots and
stuff but that makes it more efficient right? You know like the efficiency you like the creativity of the singular nature of the pattern. I believe that
the human beings and I'm saying this to you as a person who makes robots and a person is friends with illegally Amanda right now. Yeah. Well, you know, Let it go. Okay good. So yeah, I believe that the yajes robots
like I'm not gonna put that out. It's a
joke. Robots have
feelings too. Yeah, yeah.
That was also a joke was, wouldn't you?
Clarify that future robots,
but the pattern cutter, the pattern cutter. You don't
like that. It had to be that that's you can't have that party life.
That's not what. I'm my everything that I'm doing is for
The sake of the human race.
There's things in capitalism, there's things and Technology will Tec technology and original human species can exist in a peaceful way.
As long as the people that know how to make robots aren't using their robots to control the humans. Lex.
Definitely. Something has to be concerned about as we become more technologically savvy that my friend is, why engineering isn't everything that you have to desperately study, the lessons of history in Nazi. Germany science was used to create atrocities
Engineering, the same engineering could be a tool of
War. We are still in the Holocaust. A Friend, a Jewish friend of mine said, come go visit the Holocaust Museum and my response was. Let's visit our Holocaust Museum Planned Parenthood
with all due respect, I grew up in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish.
Parts of my family perished in the, in the Holocaust of Nazi Germany. I have to push back that there is a difference of the atrocities at that scale at that time on an entire
people want to say the number. That's the difference, it's not the number because six million will also African. Americans are actually do also the Lost tribe of that is yours back and that, okay? So,
Everyone came from Africa,
I am African. I'm basically African-American four
brothers, and we're both Jew and we're brothers. So we're human six million people died in the Holocaust over 20 million have died by the hands of abortion and the media promotes. The my body, my choice, which is actually still a promotion for Planned Parenthood, 50% of black deaths.
A year is actually abortion. It's not, it's not the cop with the knee. It's not black on black violence and gang violence. Not heart attacks. It's actually abortion the most dangerous place for a black person in America is in their mother's
stomach.
902 a million abortions in the United States a year. I hear you.
But there's something about the rape, the torture, the murder of children. Women men the complete complete humiliation. And just the suffering, that was endured during World War Two. That's
what we deal with on our TVs right now with black people, Astros would use black trauma economy for to win an election.
What I love is having a healthy conversation and as opposed to the certain things you know, boom, this drops people going to have pussy hats on Boom. This drops is going to be you know black people and white people with signs boom this drops so hey Chyna. Hey left agenda. Hey what we're gonna do is say that our species can have a healthy conversation, do you? It's
can I just Linger on this because when you say Jewish media it, there's a
Echo of a pain that people feel that reminds your entire status redundant right, huh? No, I'm not saying it's redundant. I'm saying redundant, you're saying, it's redundant. It's a response saying. It's something that you I'm saying that it's something that Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister of Nazi. Germany said, I'm saying it's been said so many times in order to murder and torture Jewish. People that I would just rings.
On. And that's the just like the n-word when spoken
by people that have the same skin color as me, it reminds people of a very dark time.
I know if Jewish people would accept that, I'm Jus then they would see when I'm saying in a different way, they would hear it in different way,
but see the people you saying you're Jewish
that know. I'm Jus not Jewish Jewish means like that of a Jew. I'm saying I'm Jus your Jew blood of Christ that were comebacks Christian,
right?
But that are you are you a follower, the philosophy of the Black Hebrew Israelites? Because that's where the idea comes from.
Not all
of those folks are extremists, but some are
extremists. I'm a follower of the idea. I have a vague idea that all people came from Africa, but what I wanted to do not okay. Now I could and
Kaufman this about seven more minutes and then tell you what, it is, whatever the hell it is. Let's count seven minutes. No, why do? Plus I did this to do a spoiler alert. Sure spoiler. What's the first thing I said at the
beginning,
We're talking about engineering and humans were all and ice
it. And then what did I say? We shouldn't
focus on
Race. Not just that I said, they shouldn't teach this in
school.
History the history because what they do, what schools are doing
is exactly what the CIA does with Pixar films and Disney films. They make Bambi's mom died and the beginning, right? And off that pain, comes a purchase of ice cream off that pain comes. I need some more toys off. That pain comes. I need a bigger house off that pain comes. I need more girls than my wife off. That pain comes so
Put that pain and to make us now where the Orphans of capitalism to make us be consumers. And we need to be a community, not just consumers, so I could have went another 7 minutes by being a person who presents himself in a way that says, well, I don't have to feel your pain because I also have pain to that's not being recognized and in every interview when I say well why do I get to the point of putting up the tweet?
No one wants to understand why I got to that point, right thing. You had paint. Yeah, but no one in your heart, but the let's say this undoubtedly Jewish people have a lot of movies about that. Pain and black people have a lot of movies about the pain of slavery, right? It's almost impossible to find a movie about Mansa Musa. When you go to the African history museum in Washington,
In d.c., it doesn't start with the idea of Africans being Kings. It starts with the idea of Africans being slaves. But here's another interesting point about this, this is said to me one time, and it stuck with me is a family member of mine.
With Africans. How many times? You've heard like a rapper you know, talk about we were
Kinks.
That's incorrect if we're Jew.
If we're Jus, and since we are, we weren't the Kings. We were the slaves that Moses freed.
Africans have always said we've heard you've listened to rap music and hear black people say we Kings we blood of the Pharaohs.
And if we are Jew, then we weren't, we were the people that Moses freed.
And when we talk about, have you heard black people talk about 400 years of slavery. All right, that is a wrap and we're having this history, lesser? Right?
And history doesn't matter. You're exploring ancient history and drawing deep wisdom from it. And at the same time, saying we need to forget all of it. We need to put that behind us.
Absolutely.
We need to forget it and we need to move forward.
There is so much wisdom to draw from history. Even the 20th century look at this communism without the lessons of history of the 20th century communism. Sounds like a great idea except that some of the worst atrocities conducted by Stalin and Mao that killed 50 hundred plus million people. Not just killed tortured starvation.
Ian where people cannibalism? They hate each other, they ate their children. There's there's just dark people. Beautiful people should read some books on this on the Hollander.
More seating, 1930s, I dislike that
lesson we would and now it's, I don't
mean more pop. I'm not, I'm just a man communist, I'm not disagreeing that, that happened. I'm disagreeing that
We need to harp on the things that happen because the truth is, I'm given a fact 50% today of that. Say, you don't call black people Jew, right? Black people's deaths. Today is a bortion today, right now like that. It's not racism. That's too wide of a term. It's genocide and population control that black people are
are in today in America that is promoted by the music and the media that black people make that Jewish record labels get paid off of or media. Companies regulate was Media Company. Also says, give it a wider, you know, I agree with Martin
Luther King, I Have a Dream too
Martin that one day, what would not be judged by the color of your
skin or your race, black, or Jew but by the continuity
Character, all the assholes that fucked you over in the music industry, fuck artists over in the music industry are individuals. They're not Jews. Can you,
can you say it? They are, they are Jewish.
It doesn't, they're human with opportunities and they took those opportunities.
I don't care if there's your, do you, as you feel like I should release that pain and separate it, yes? Okay, so if that is, okay, if you're saying, I should release that pain
Pain and separated. Then I'm telling you, you should release your pain and separated and we could get to this. The list of how you are being with engineering
opportunities. That's 100%. I see what you're doing that. Exactly you're
doing the pain. I'm going to
let it go engineering challenges, I get it. One of the problems you highlight is people get fucked over in the in the music industry and get fucked over in the media, get fucked over all.
For the place they create it. There is a there is a
Jewish trainer that brought me to the hospital and put in press that I went to the hospital, I got no friends at off of exhaustion a Jewish doctor, they diagnosed a Jewish because they were right. Diagnose, me with bipolar disorder and shot me with medication and put me on medication, then put it in the press. And every time, even if I wore the wrong color hat, that a niggers,
Not supposed to wear right then they immediately say he's off of his shit. He's off his meds, he's off his rocker and it's literally used as a Scarlet Letter control mechanism for the people understand the kids, the college's the high schools. What do you think? They put me right now? They put me as the prophet. Not the leader. It doesn't have to be the leader, right? Because we need, we need a more intelligent person to be the
But at least right? They put me as the profit, they put me as the only person that would say this. And I'm just saying that was for Jewish members that controlled my voice because for the fact that 90% of black people and entertainment from Sports to music, to acting, are in some way tied into Jewish business. People, meaning that in some way just like, if I am, is sitting next to him,
Ama or Jared sitting next to Trump. There's a Jewish person right there. Controlling the the country, the Jewish people controlling that who gets the best video or not, controlling. What the media says about me
person not Jewish. Let me just say what
they are though. That's the only thing. It just so happens that they are. It just you have to say on that, doesn't mean that I hate them. Yes, that's just means that they
are, but it's a, it's a dog whistle to
Let me just say, as I would love to add more love to the world. I would love you to do that as a person with a big voice of the big powerful voice that a lot of people look up to. And when you say Jewish media, it's funny how this world works. That way, when you say Jewish Media or Jews are controlling the voice of black artist, black people, black
artist. And when you say that, I'm not allowed to say it out
loud, you can say it. There's a large number of people.
That are hurting and have anger and even have hate in their heart when they heat when they hear Jewish media, they start that hate starts being directed towards the Jewish people. Do you acknowledge that? That's do you understand that you can you feel the hate in the world that's when that that comes to the surface when you say stuff like that,
okay? All right, I feel that
When we go into therapy, my dad was a therapist. And obviously I've got some therapy skills myself. A lot of people my music is healing these type of spa-like existences or healing, the color. Palettes are user healing and we can use healing words, right? What I really feel there, I feel that there is no accountability and no responsibility on Jewish people in media to at least,
Start with owning up with the facts of what's dealt with and tell me if I say the facts out loud to the point of Ari Emanuel writing a letter in the financial times, trying to take food out of my children's mouths telling people that they're not allowed to work with me. Even Chris Como or Pierce Morgan. Getting me to apologize and separate Jewish business people to from the families of the Jewish.
As people which I did update, I did that, that already happened and the world's a shitty
apology that wasn't really an apology,
but shut off that conversation. I just don't get on my knees and kiss the dick of Howard Stern, and kiss, anyone's dick. And but that's what you guys are acting like you guys. Look at that because you're talking about, is this shitty of opinion apology. But where's our fucking apology? Watch this? So we do we don't get thank you now.
Well, let's move on. Sorry, do I need to get on my knees? You know, that's kiss my dick.
So it's just escalated
quickly. So that's X. Collated quickly. So the so we're what I'm saying? Where's our apology? But we're right, we can't get to apology because you're telling me there's no right way for me to word it. So, tell me for me, a person who's been fucked all
Oh my deals and a person has friends that never figured out how to make shoes with a German company that couldn't tell me to wear a BLM shirt, and take off my red hat. Like, what would happen if I was at Nike? Right tell me exactly how to engineer the situation. I
know you exactly how you got a big voice have the balls as a man to call out the individuals. Don't call them Jews. Call them by their name and start a war.
Are against those individuals, they're not
Jewish, but if that's the case, will you help me with that? Sure. Okay percent we're assholes, are asked well let me like
flip that to I don't understand the industry. Well I I I see that. People are fucking people over for sure. But how do you solve that if you run? If you right now, run the world's you're doing a million things, but say you ran also record label,
I have ran a record like well, I've been ran by record label. Why was the face of a wreck?
You label and had Big Sean, a different people complaining to me and I knew fuck about running a record label. I was simply just a talented producer and an influencer, yes, that then start a good music but I wasn't the one running good music. I would you do it differently? There's something I proposed I would look at
The top-10 execs and three fields and sports film and music. And I would look at the top ten clients participant act talent, I would look at the top talent in each of those feel the top 10 of them. And some of them are going to be Tom Brady. Some of them going to be Taylor Swift someone, they're not all going to be black, right? Some so someone
Will be Adele, right? And we'll look at all their contracts transparently and we'll compare the notes and re-engineer. Like it's a new constitution because when I told my dad, when I was 19, I was going to get into the music industry, he begged me not to he said I heard it's treacherous now I'm in a position where I've been through it. I saw it, I went out made some money somewhere else. I saw my name gets to me.
Weird. I saw my family get destroyed, I saw my reputation get destroyed and I'm back here to have this kind of, I'm back here as a being with engineering opportunities. So I wasted a few says, a shitty apology. What is the version of the apology short of kissing? Howard Stern's dick.
I don't think anyone wants to kiss Howard Stern's. That's the whole
point. Howard started, nobody wants to kiss your dicks to shut the fuck up. I said it, by the way, I went agonize, you Howard Stern. I used to
A fan of you. Yeah, me too. Yeah, not still a fan and at times now you're just doing clickbait like everybody else. Now you're just a sad old man, Howard. All right now, Howard Stern. This is the first time anyone's said your name in years, your own family, doesn't say your name unless they're calling to get their bills
paid.
You're going hard, I'm just see, that's beautiful right there. That's my
It's
better than calling Jewish
media called go after individuals, okay? So after individual and you talk shit about me, talk shit about me. This is great and you know what that is? Yeah. What's that
Engineering. That's the engineers
approach. Yeah, Engineers. Yeah, yeah. You should learn some of that.
We all can use are paying against each other or we can say we're being with engineering opportunities and we can know about history. So let me change something. We can have a just to be judgmental. People say thou shalt not judge. I've been talking to Camille Vasquez, he says, I'm very judgmental. That's what we're doing. We
I believe now you can go to Bible. One thing to say, one thing, another thing, maybe contradicting away, and then the pastor has to unpack it, I believe.
That we are to judge. If you look at some food and it's got a fly coming out of it, you can then judge at that point, you're supposed to use your better judgment. But at whenever someone doesn't want to change something, they're doing they'll say Don't Judge Me, Right? But as a species you called, for me, you got the Breakthrough. And by the way, it's only an engineer that I would respect that to tell me of how of
To update how I'm communicating because this started off, right? I've been through all these interviews. Let me go to this. You said this was a sorry apology. I was very specific. I said the Jewish Because by the way, it's a barrage, right? It's a thing where I don't even remember the names at a certain point, right? It's like, if a, if a girl was getting raped by men,
If that person is not 18, right? And she's getting rapist, has 14, right? And she still got this face, this super like Irina Shayk level face, right? She might say I hate men. That woman may say I hate men. She might get to that point because she was raped all my contracts and no one can say this is ramped up knowing Howard Stern. Can't say this is ramped up Ari Emanuel can't say
This is wrapped up George sorro's knows. Damn, well that I'm not ramped up, your Sorrows nose like, wow, this guy is like a younger guy. That's looking at what I did and looking at how I control the world silently and he's calling it out and he's not using any of the fear taxes. I can't send his homeboys around them, I can't send his wife to him. This guy. That's what George Soros, he's right. When he's dealing with me, right? So what you guys,
Guys are actually asking me to do. I'm comparing myself to that 18 year old beautiful woman that have been mistreated by men for four years of her life, right? And you're saying you know as a man you can't blame all men and I'm saying as a responsible forward philosopher leader okay I'll drop the pain and I will specify because I'm up here.
Lost my fucking family. I lost my kids. I lost my best friend and fashion, I lost. I lost the black community, I lost, you know, people said I lost my mind. All of these things, lost my reputation, and I'm a just like, I just want my family, but I don't want my family to have to say what the left wants to say. I have to have to say what China wants to say. I want to be an American and protect my kids.
And protect my wife and raise my kids as Christians and have my wife, be a Christian and innovate and American-made rock and roll. I want to innovate as a creative person and be a successful American. But all of that have been taken away from me. So, I'm coming back and I'm removing the pstd right now, right? I'm standing up and saying, the only way that we're going to be able to get past this, in the way, God is going to use me right now. It's for me to stop talking.
At the pain, stop talking about what happened and do something about it. And that's where I'm at right now, in this moment, like, yeah, people agree. At least, there was something we could say he has a reason of why he got to that tweet and what you're doing for me today is saying, yo, that was a sorry apology and let's specify. I'm not asking for anyone out here to empathize or sympathize for a, you know,
No, a dude worth 11 billion dollars that can make money disappear. I mean, appear at a thin air, and five different Industries, you know, I'm not asking for the I'm not asking anybody to sympathize with someone who's married to Kim Kardashian dated Irina Shayk, but but like, I feel like I'm just not going to get the sympathy vote in this situation, right? So I feel your pain I feared yeah I feel like No One's Gonna feel my pain only only Bradley. Okay, fill my paint right? So
The so let's still but here today, when you said is a sorry apology, what's the what's the apology that you're looking for as a Jewish engineer? And I say as Lex, let's not talk about you being Jewish as Lex. What's the apology that you want me to say to am? I allowed to say Jewish? Tell me. Is it anti-semitic for
Way to say Jewish? Hell out.
No, there's I don't like the allowed that presumes censorship. I think you mean shows, if you have a powerful voice, you did. I
prove did I, did I prove that there were censorship over the past two weeks,
I've who sponsored you, I'll drink shamsul, Oh My Sword,
I like Twitter. And so on Twitter has less to do drink Champs
that hurt you. The drink Champs that nor took it down to Dunya conversation.
It didn't hurt you.
I've met, you gotta be honest about three, we're still the kids we used to be. I put my hand on the stove to see if I still
bleed and
nothing hurts anymore. I feel kind free.
Know, what do you
think?
You know, I went to Japan for two to three months, right? The day I had Sunday service, my kids are supposed to be there and my kids were nowhere to be found and I text Kim and said, where are my kids? We get into an argument and then I get a text from a number, I don't know and it's Pete Davidson bragging about being in bed with my wife.
Then.
Just fucking with you. Well, at that point. It's like
they're trying to put me in jail, or put a friend of mine in
jail,
because then I'm gonna go surround the hotel and do all, you know, do something, which would have me not be able to be here. And instead, I walked away from that situation, I went to Japan like the samurai that I am and went to the top of the mountain. And because I knew that, I mean, I knew there was no way she could love
This dude, not just because he's ugly is not black. She likes black guys. Every guy that she, you know, as with looks exactly the same rage a Reggie Bush at that time, Kanye West, she has a type just like how I have a type like a lot of my girls look kind of similar because in a video game character, people have people have their type, right? So I knew that this was like
the, the princess has a type. She likes Mario
right there you go. As somebody cares for you, and
hopefully can be a friend.
Yay. I got to say these words. And the words about Jews is not the words of a samurai of a great man. I would say, you know, you said,
Something that inspired that resonate with a lot of people when you said George Bush doesn't care about black people. I have to say as someone who cares for you that ye the artist formerly known as Kanye. West doesn't care about Jewish people in the same way, you spoke about George Bush being a politician and not giving a fuck about the poor people that suffered after Katrina, you're not giving a fuck about the suffering.
Jewish people across the world. Why am I not? Because you're feeding. You giving strength motivation to we already updated. I
gave it apology. You said it wasn't good
enough? Yeah, that's right. It's
now you're telling me. No, I'm not
gonna, you don't need to kiss, anyone's dick. What you're asking me to kiss to say was wrong to say, there's no Jewish media, there's no Jewish there isn't. There's no control of the media, by jury
engineer brother, if you're an engineer and you're
Not holding to the truth. That's not engineering.
Engineering is not. That's not that doesn't. That's hate. That's engineering. You know, hearing
cost, I'm gonna build a better record label. It's called Sarah, I'm going to respect our stereotypes exist for a reason. Janeers, don't do
stereotypes, I did are types of Dom de la you to channel hate towards the other. You know what the biggest thing is? Yeah,
with a something of Veteran that was sitting next to me. A Cheesecake Factory last night.
He
said, you know,
the general gist is, he
serves for whoever is the president, right? And he said, what's happening in politics is we're forgetting, we're on the same side.
We're forgetting run. This this is someone is practically now, he's a nurse. So he still you know fighting for Humanity in a way. He went from holding, you know, guns and battle to being a nurse and when people are battling for their lives and he said we're forgetting, we're on the same side. This is a person that no matter who becomes president, he can still be told to go to war.
And the chaos that's created by the media has split the country in half and what we, what us as beings with an engineer opportunity need to do right now is fine. The Blue Water where do we? Where are places that we agree on and I want you to finish everything. Hey, I'ma let you finish everything.
Thing that before you want to express to me, get off all I'm your I'm your scarecrow today. I'm your I'm your punching bag today for everything I did, and I want you to stand up for all of the hate that I'm your Al Gore when he lost the election. Remember, he almost became a punching bag for the lady that had voted on him and she just said all this stuff and he's like, I know, I agree with you, right? But there's nothing, you know, that he could do about it with this is
Like things that you're saying, I agree with you. You know, it's like if you sit some kids in the, in the principal's office and I punched somebody right. I took, I took my hand right as
What it really means, even Ari Emanuel had to say this is a pop icon, right? And I went and just punched
An entire people at one time or said that I was about to. I went like this, right? And I got blacked out like, mirrored done, right? And it's like what were you even going to do? And why did you go like this? I went like
this. Because
I can't even I would I would look insane to physically show you a metaphor or a physical representation of my last 20 years of what I've been through as a musician as a father. And as a black person with a political opinion, a
great man, still over the pain, does the right thing and I think the right thing is to not say that there's Jewish
All the media
and that's incorrect though. That's a fucking lie. There is and they did come and Bully me. It proved the point.
No, the reason you don't say it. Why? Because the world is much bigger than the forgive me, the narrow little world you exist in your impact stretches way, past those little boardroom meetings over contract. So what you have
done, what should I have done? Not say that, you know,
be a strong man. That doesn't mention, that doesn't match your religion, your people and then fight.
If you want to win this
fight, how do I win? How do we win? Call out individual people built that's
one way because they have a big voice. The other voice that I prefer is to build another label. I felt supported, not likely, but
throw it, you're controlling my creative narrative and my because just like, how you're telling me I shouldn't have said that. Do you think there were people telling me I shouldn't have wore red hat.
No. You cause you asked me, what should I have done? You're supposed to be a scarecrow. So I thought I'm going to beat the shit out of the
Scarecrow with my words, right? You let me yeah, it was consensual. The punching bag is a bag because scarecrow actually has a different. Yeah, we'll try. I'm not gonna say it's fighting back against a scarecrow. Yeah, but every single person that I've sat with from the point, when I wore the red hat to now has done the same thing, sit in the principal's office and don't do what you're doing.
We're in the generous closet right now together and I'm not the red hat is very different. The red hat is you have a set of beliefs, you represent half the country that has a hope a vision for the future of America. That's very different than without any purpose whatsoever saying Jewish media, you just control the media, you
said there's, there's no purpose. So you're taking away my history and my reason of what my purpose was
I'm saying also
also
also it can, I'm speaking my voice. Vocalized
also. Yeah,
it's God's plan. There's a lot of things that open up. Let me tell you something, open up. There's a guy like I told you that was running stem player who have had issues with we hadn't got paid on time certain things, right? And he took his his IQ, his know-how is engineering know-how to. He basically was trying to Adidas me with
Even though I was the bigger money in the situation that was fun and we found it together and he hired these engineers and he said, well, because your comments were not going to be able to hire anybody else. And I was like, well, how many Jewish people do? We have in our company said, I don't know. He didn't say exactly right. I said, do we have black people? He said yes. Then how many said to so we have like 60 full-time employees, like 40, half time and part time. And I
I,
I took as a responsibility. Let's let's, let's take a step back from the US being one species and say, hey, you're Jewish, I'm black right step by step, back for this example, for the sake of this example. And I said, wow, I'm sure I could hire more than two black engineers. And what happens is because there are so many businessmen that just so happened to be Jewish that it's good.
Business. Right. Just to monopolize that's for people to look and everybody wants to be lying, right? So the I disagree with that, okay well let me finish this point unless you've been a lot of let you finish a lot of a lot of business pin want to be as successful as Elon and as popular Zeal on a lot like just worded like that. Which I hate the term a lot actually I want to be more specific but I don't I haven't done the math on it. Let's say some factually for sure.
Or there are some business, people of all different walks and backgrounds, that would like to be as rich and as popular as Elon Musk. So let me just take a step back from the, We Are One species into the. We're separated by race gender, socioeconomic class, conversation and say, as a black owner of to Tech platforms, hardware and software. I need to take action, let's not call it affirmative. Let's just say I need to take,
Action. And I need to take accountability and ensuring that black Engineers are hired. And guess what hired together because when the black people that are brilliant, are separated from our culture, we forget who we are. And we'll get to a point where, you know, o.j. say I'm not black, I'm o.j. because just to be
On the golf course. We put on the golf shirt but the golf shirt might not be something that our culture would have done. And now our culture and poor communities is oh everybody's got Draco on them. Everybody's got a gun on them. Oh, if you run up on me on the gas station, I makeu a you ain't got to talk to me like a man. If I haven't killed at least five people, but you know what happens is we can kill five people. We could kill 10 people, and still be.
In the media as long as we play by the rules, right? Because what will happen is any of these guys that have talked about killing people, and different things, and less trumpet part in them, right? But let's say, even if trumpet pardon them, they can still go to someone like a little boozy, or Meek Mills, or Puff Daddy. Anybody and say, hey, we need you to talk shit about. Yay, right now. And also you're not allowed if you do want to vote for Trump or vote out,
Out of what this Arrangement is, then we're going to put you in
jail,
it ain't that we're not going to bring you down. We have this on you, you get. I'm saying if I had ever killed someone, if I wasn't the bitch with the pink Polo on, I wouldn't be able to be the vocal man, that I am today. You understand why I'm saying? This is the reason why I'm happy that my Gangster. Disciple, Brothers, kept me from the initiation.
Oceans, which made me feel like a pussy my whole life, right? But now, I am someone who legally can say. This other people in my position, they legally cannot speak, they legally cannot speak or they will go to prison. I am in a bit of a Glass Prison because I don't have say-so of where my children go to school.
But
I'm in a freedom place where I can have this conversation with you right now and that is I don't like the word breakthrough. You know that's God's hand on this situation but you get what I'm saying about. If I hadn't said the tweet I wouldn't have had to take the accountability myself to hire black Engineers until my to Tech platforms.
And you get what I'm saying, that's beautiful personal Journey you're on but you get what I'm saying? That personal
is
Or my people as a whole as a tribal. Small company, small company has a tribal person. I believe that I am my people. Yeah and I think that that businessmen have done to my people have pulled the brightest out of our tribes and Silo them and made us lose our culture and lose who they were all. The only thing I wanted to say of Virgil's funeral, which I wasn't allowed to
Right?
It was a white Pastor that talked, the majority of the funeral half. The funeral was pissed, pissed, right? And and this pastor actually married me and Kim right. Looks like Justin Timberlake a little bit and he talked after the funeral, he knew Virgil was passing, did a collaboration with him before he passed by the way, right? A clothing collaboration. I didn't know, Virgil was passing.
but the thing I wanted to say,
I saw ASAP Rocky and I saw some other members of his gang, you know, in the audience at the funeral,
And all I wanted to tell him is
don't let them split the gang up.
Don't let them split the gang
up when I did the first Yeezy because I did Kanye West's to fashion shows before as a high-end luxury, all leather kind of design or not, all other but you know, high-end materials mink, this kind of thing. And then I came back with Yeezy with Adidas and this fashion show was so popular that
Justin Bieber, had to sit in the second row, right? This thing had every name, you could think of ahead, Kim Kardashian, Kris Jenner, Kendall Jenner. It was Kylie's First fashion, show she'd been in and in the second fashion show I put Kylie and Bella Hadid next, to each other in the fashion show. You had Puff Daddy at that time. Puff. Daddy had beef with Drake, Drake still came to the show and Jay-Z had to break up the fight, back stage, the
Designers, you had Jerry Lorenzo. That's had a fear God, you had chemistry lab head of scams you have Virgil. A blow had a Louis Vuitton, you had dim NE head of Balenciaga, all working for yay, for the leader, for the philosopher, right? For the person, that put who put this together. Me. That's who right? You had these people working for the king and new york-based, the boss. Yay. Right. You had yet Jay-Z and the audience react.
In the audience, Beyonce in the audience sitting next to Anna Wintour in this audience and guess who her wind of this. One of the richest men in the world. Bernard arnault caught wind of this. What's going on? They're building up something and we need to stop it. So then he met with me and politely offered me backing for my clothing line. It would be Kanye West. They would get 49 percent of fifty one percent, I would get 4.
D 9% they'd have control and they were going to give me all of the support from Louis Vuitton. So I had to go to Adidas and I told Adidas, hey, let's identify the apparel. So Adidas, you're not going to do the Apparently more. Hey, we had a, we had a good time, but we're going to run off with Giselle now. Right? It's so the that's like, you told your girl that and you're like, oh no, we're supposed to. We have the proudest moment of our career and so so, so then he offers me the deal. Now, Alexander are know who's
Two gone on and rape and pillage from all of the talent that I had. Afterwards said I say before, I tell Adidas to identify the apparel, can I get a written contract from your dad, Bernard arnault? And he says, my dad will never go back on his word. You say, you already know what this thing is going, right? You can spoiler alert, right? He went back on his word. So, three months into the deal. I get Anna Wintour, I say, who should I use for my lawyers, she picks my
Her for me, right? I just found out even a couple of days that the lawyer demanded at airplane, during negotiations had nothing to do with me, right? They said the Bernard arnault got freaked out, and then, Alexander, no calls me and says, the deal got dropped at the board.
I went back and told my high-maintenance wife. I was supposed to become this designer at Louis Vuitton, or the Louis Vuitton group was going to back the Kanye, West line because that's how good I've done in fashion babe and now the deal is dropped.
Now the deal is drop. So then I did a second collection and we didn't have any support to be able to build the collection. Then I went and found and third collection. We did it. We took over MSG. Fourth collection, went and the show started an hour late. Then a week later, Kim got robbed. Then I told Scooter, Braun my manager that time. I say, aye.
I'm looking, you know, I need to go to Japan, I'm tired, I'm tired. He says no you need to make more money. I do for more shows on a second leg of the tour and I suffer from exhaustion and go to the hospital and then get diagnosed with the
disorder. This is
the first time I ever suffered from exhaustion. By the way, I haven't been to the hospital since
I haven't been to the hospital since, and haven't taken, you know, medication in two years and I'm sure there will be people in the media. We won't say where from will say, well, that's obvious, right, so? So, right now, I'm talking to you, right? I'm not on medication, I just go to sleep, right? Have
sleep. Have you been able to sleep this? That's that's, that's, that's that's too low hanging
fruit for you. You're more in your eyes.
February agree. I agree. I expect more Angry though. You do. I regret that, that that's like that's like Pierce Morgan trying to grab ratings. Say, you got a whole life ahead of you. Got a whole life ahead of you. You got these guys are at the end of their life. Good guy. So it's
cold out of my shit. That loved it. But then,
amidst that the same guy that dropped my deal. Bernard arnault goes and hires my best friend goes in hires my main
Near right? It would have been like them hiring, you know, Ilan from Peter before. They figured out Paul before they figured out PayPal, but it almost sounds like it all pal. Sounds like Paul. I just say because I'm a Christian, I thought it was cool but it would have been like what if someone could have went in and took Elon away from Peter before they pay Paul before. The I just could say PayPal. Yeah, but it was just too close.
Sound so fresh that in fact that it's so close. Right? And that's that's what happened, right? They broke the gang up and I'm telling you right now that hadn't happened. Virgil's alive. I'm still married. Yeah, I'm saying the power structure was broken then, right? Because we are building some Kylie was in a billionaire. That it'll mean we were building something together that a French colonizer came in and caught it early and try.
To destroy it. But the only thing is, God, is alive. And I'm anointed and even with those drawbacks losing, my wife, losing, my friend, exhaustion, all of these late-night tweets. That piss off an entire group, you know, like this, the frustration still. There we work. I work for God and God runs the world and we'll see what. We'll see what happens.
But in those words, don't you feel that?
Being split up, don't you feel? You're doing the thing that you stand against which is playing victim. Aren't you playing victim to the forces in the
wanna play Big? I didn't get a chance to play. I just said I was about to. I said like this like know you played pretty damn. Well, what do you mean? What do you mean about to?
You're like one of the greatest designers in history fashion designers, you're playing
what do you are playing? What does that even? I thought you died?
You're referring to the Tweet. Now, all of them there what does the full
set of things that you're under attack for?
The tweet and everything beyond that, but like you're blaming not blaming, but you're saying that the Jewish media, the Jewish record labels, the Jewish people forget, Jewish or not matter is playing victim, right?
Ultimately I am fighting a battle in the spiritual form and anyone that believes in God and is looking at this interview would agree with that. And I just so happen to be.
A bright part of God's Army. I'm fighting for us to lift the greatest gift is life itself. I am pro-life. I Am pro God. I believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior and died for our
sins.
What do you feel about?
Another attack. Another painful thing I imagine super painful is Balenciaga pulling. You had a really close relationship and friendship with their creative director. Like how do you feel about
all of it?
I told you I sang the song I sing another song from one of my mentors future. I never feel pain out of felt too much pain. Like there was a day where I was headed to Nashville to meet with George farmer. Who is the CEO of parle that the day we made the announcement at that same day. Balenciaga was taking my imagery off of their sight.
Right. And the drink Champs was being taken down and I said, this is the happiest day of my life.
I love cutting the grass low.
People wasn't really with you, they was part-time people switch up when it's war time. I rather have people who are really with me and that people who are just trying to use me,
listen as a friend, and somebody cares for you. You have to be really careful by the People by all people. Always the people that are going to be try to be close to you. Now you don't know if you can trust them anymore. They are.
I what the blind? See, I got what I have more to say about it
though. Yeah.
Let's do this. Timna will still work.
For ye someday and this is just speeding the process
up. Have you talked? Can you share? If you've talked?
Yes, I'll, I talked to dim this is like we're Kindred Spirits. None of this can keep us away from each other. I brought dimness to Gap to be able to bring the best product in the world. At that time, I wanted to go under $100. Now, I'm like, okay, we're gonna go $20 a product, I brought dim NE in.
To engineer. That's why it's at engineer by Balenciaga. You see, I've engineered by Balenciaga to engineer the best product for the people. The people that that they say, or at the bottom of the Maslow, hierarchy of need chart. Heard that there were at the bottom of the pyramid, right? So,
Gap didn't want that. Balenciaga didn't want that.
our genders were not aligned, I was brought in
To the gap for political reasons, and influence like a Virgil like a George Floyd. When popular celebrities are brought into Fortune, 500 companies as not to raise the stock, it's to strengthen the position and influence.
And is definitely not to be out here. Letting a nigga. Think he Steve Jobs?
Yeah, there's people like that.
But you as a great man and visionary.
Your job is to understand that game and be one step ahead.
Well, that's why I'm telling them that relationship, you know, some relationships. Only last for a summer, you know, some last for a year, the relationship ran its course, you know, in that relationship. I invested a lot of my social capital and actual Capital there. I spent somewhere between five to ten million dollars personally on behalf.
Lindsey Agha, how much money do you think Balenciaga had paid me in the past 2 years?
Just take a really wild, guess a really
well less than that.
Just take a super wild one. Just go to the furthest extent of your imagination.
1.2 million.
Lower.
500,000
lower
00. All
right, and actually two weeks ago I paid at a Saints account, eight hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. Not in close for me, from Balenciaga, from the store in royalties to Balenciaga, where the deal have been engineered where I was coming out of my pocket. So I paid last year. I paid Emina three million dollars.
To to design The Collection right and we got it out of the Gap marketing fund and he was going to deliver 160 skews or 120 skews. 100 skus are separate items of clothing. So styles of clothing. So we ended up delivering about 60. I feel like we're on the People's Court because we actually are right when the court of public opinion.
So he delivered about 60, there were all kinds of people that will work in that part of the reason why I had to get dim NE. Like I didn't want to have to get, I wanted to compete with him. I don't want to have to like get him. You know, when I made stronger I did it to compete with Timbaland and and Justin Timberlake because my fiancé at that time like Justin Timberlake just a little bit too much so I made it to compete and then we have the song app. It's number one on Apple. It's blowing up. I play it in a club and it sounds much
Buddy, it doesn't sound the way SexyBack sounded in the club. So I go to
Pharrell Williams to to do the drums and it doesn't the it sounds like a different record and so it can't be a different record because I'm like I'm going to swap it out on radio, right? Then I go to Swizz Beatz it sounds like a different record. I go to Timberland. The person who did sexy back and he
did, he did it
in five minutes and then spent the rest of the hour talking about how nobody could have done it.
For him, run around the studio. I'm the best. No one could it. It's why I got to go to me had to go to the king. Well, he had a point, right? He had a point, right? So
what makes us some mud. He's at the beat, it was
a woman's and the drums, it was some that Timberland had in those drums like now, watch this.
I said, I'm going Defcon 3, right? And the actual, I spelled it wrong. I have a tendency to do that. I'm not quite John Legend, tight, sweater level spelling bee level. So I feel a parallel to me, going to Timberland to when I said, hey you as an engineer, I need to work with you as an engineer, that is Jewish to look at these contracts and what my people not just
Why people say artists are dealing with in our contracts. These contracts need to be fixed. Everyone could be so mad at the messenger, right? Yeah. You said it the wrong way your offensive, you're like Hitler now because you said it, you said this out loud, but it does not your, you weren't getting enough sleep, all this shit does not negate. The fact that we do have Houston, we have a problem.
Yeah, but we is just the music industry. Like there's a lot of hate that was created by just saying that you
know but you're saying what is jest is everything to me, right? Yeah. 11. It get one person saying with me, you're everything to me right. And for George, Bush winning an
election was everything. And then when you said George Bush doesn't care about black people that you woke him up. You woke the people up to the fact that he was narrowly being selfish. You are. There's a sense to, which you're being
To buy your own greatness, that you're focusing too much on the industry that you've made great that you've roasted the very top one of the richest artists in history. One of the
greatest designers I'm not I am the richest artist in history probably the richest artist, nice tree. Yeah I don't think they the funny thing is they're like oh riches by purse like all also riches actor which is musician, riches fashion designer like is a bunch of rich.
Has and that one. Yeah, I'm saying it's like Richard then Ralph Lauren like like Richard than Imani like richest like of that, but still low. Because where do you put that, you know, like, on the totem because I don't even want to man's bank
account isn't everything. I would say you and I are equal in a certain deep sense, no matter what, the bank account says,
Voom. Voom voom voom.
So, I wanted to give you something music for for your model of money. Let me give you the temporal inversion baggy. But okay, that is Club. So, other thing about like, say, like Balenciaga is
Dem no will work with. Yay, someday
and
for Cedric and for Francois pinot and Selma's is a beautiful human being
Five years from now.
You'll hear and know the name. Yay and know things that we did.
And Balenciaga is not going to make it onto your questions. Would you, what would you as a Gambling Man? Would you bet on that? I
will bet on that can see it in your
eyes. I mean, it'll go. So if it was sad it was actually a sad day for me, not for me, but more for Balenciaga. I just when I, when I heard I was just like, oh, shame,
let me ask you a silly question. Just about done the, I read something that you to
About like buttons for a few hours
that my Gumdrop buttons.
Just an accent me and Emily speaking Shrek.
What's your philosophy with which you approach design? Your you are one of the great fashion designers of our time. How do you think about it? Give a philosophy.
You know what I like about the zipper
is
this zipper the zipper hoodie, replaces, the dress shirt because you could get on you douche bag shitting like unzip it and give a little bit of, you know, that type of
Look
and which is the douche bag. You know.
Like when the when the you know the douchebags that go to Vegas and unbutton your dress shirt. Yeah. And the problem with the pullover hoodie is you can't do the douchebag thing with you on. But yeah but then still get the like the stomach because the thing is the ultimate look would be like you know military tank pullover hoodie and if you get a little hot you take off the hoodie but you like crazy and
Shape. So it gives you that flexibility. Yeah, it's given the zippers given some flexibility and it's like maybe you want to keep your jacket on like this. Consider like a hoodie to be like a jacket. If you want to keep your jacket on then,
You might, you might want to do this as opposed to pull it all the way off. Yeah. You know. So and it's just Comfort but then you get.
Okay.
Can I do a jogging pant on this, what elastic elasticity? Now, people argue about climate where we are with the climate, I take responsibility as being the most influential.
Designer of all time
to
say we're going to use biodegradable clothing. Now, the issue there is the elastic
Is not biodegradable. So that means it's actually better to use jeans and a belt then to have an elastic waistband.
Because elastic waistband is not biodegradable. So I use the planet as a big, the future of the planet is a big piece of the way I Engineer. And the way we talk about, where designs are going, the constraints
on your design and Engineering is given by the planet by the future of the planet. Yes,
I can almost make Jewish people like me again.
Every time you say, Jewish people, I think I've been maybe reading a little too much about World War Two. But man, I recommend you listen to some audio books or read some books on the Holocaust because like, it's heavy, it's heavy, it will put into context, which impact of your words,
would you read books on the current Holocaust that black people are in? Don't invite me.
Read, what
are you? What have you read about abortion?
I've read a lot of short form writing and I listen to a lot of debates because it's really humbling that the, the question of when does Life Begin. Is a really difficult question. For me, is an engineer and scientist. It's a philosophical question.
I mean, we could just go on population control. Not like if abortion is right or wrong. We
I'd say factually the clinics were made by Eugenics for population control and it is controlling the population. As is the never being given a 40 acres and a mule. So you don't have the opportunity and when the people that do have, the opportunity are separated from our people, our tribe and place in Suburban communities next to us Chris Rock will put it the dentist and, you know, whitewashed and made to shut the fuck up and
No vote left or whatever, you know niggers is supposed to do when we make it as opposed to saying okay we're building schools we're building up choirs we're building up our own leagues basketball teams. Our own factories. We started the first sportswear Factory and America since World War Two.
Was actually this factor I put in Cody, so you know, I'm 45 years old, we're on this journey right now. It's the other thing about this is like people just in general. They love me so much. I'm like actually a hard guy to really hate for a long period of time because just because like because like my huge cock and that's why I noticed. I didn't I didn't understand why you showed it to me when we
first met but now I understand.
Yeah. It's very nice.
Congratulations.
I know you don't talk about it but your head does say 24. Yeah, if you run for president, what kind of ideas would you represent?
That we're beings with engineering opportunities. I would
represent.
just as you served a platform here, there's something that happened on my last run that
I thought I feel I know. Was brilliant. It was noisy, but it was brilliant. I had one
rally.
And in the rally, I just let people come up and I gave them a platform.
It's our responsibility
to listen to the
pain and hear the pain and understand. Even when we're the ones that caused the pain, like with my tweet, it's my responsibility to hear you and understand why you feel like that but it's our responsibility as a people to understand each
other.
To give people a voice.
People need the voice. And even right, now, what I'm doing, or how God is using me, I'm showing where our voices are being muted. There is professors. That are actually, intelligent actually have multiple degrees that have been canceled.
From their schools and they don't have a music industry or a fan base or shoe design or a smoking-hot ex-wife to complain about. They've just got the truth of what they saw and what they dedicated to this country and to education that has been muted by schools that have been taken over with an agenda. And so you're you want the brightest Minds to be these professors and then you mute?
Them and they have nowhere to go. And you might get a guy. Now that went from being someone's favorite Professor to he's working at Starbucks like like he was back at school or like he was back in high school.
So even if that voice is about anger and hate, it's still deserves to
be heard.
Yeah, deserves to be heard and we deserve to ask why you know like you have to ask why I just feel like that's what's I feel like that is sympathize a mr. Huge cock. I'm just saying and that it just needs to be. She
changed that to name on Twitter while you're still allowed on
there. Yeah I do think they got that, we get censored, I felt like they you know, the definitely cut it down. Some inches, the
I'm pointing out this, I'm pointing out this truth. Now, I'm saying this is not a Christian thing, right?
And you know, I wonder right there when I say these jokes is it something that I because I do feel like laughter is the key engineering and laughter, right? Is the key to peace. Like, when I go get my teeth clean and I have the nitrous there is a
There's something I want to go and hug Kris Jenner. I want to go and hug Cory cap. I want to go and hug, you know, Howard Stern. I'm at no one wants a hug, Howard Stern. I mean, but, you know, just
if one, let's I think I would love to see you two hug it out and make up, even though all the shit talking back and forth.
What about talking it out? Or is he going to be
screaming at me?
Yeah, judgmental. And that kind of stuff. No, I hope I hope there's love
there. You know, the thing
is,
I think Howard's just jealous.
You know, not just, not just jealous of my cock. He's also, he's jealous that I started my campaign earlier than
him.
You got to let go of that jealousy is,
you got to let go of that jealousy. Howard, you got all weird and everybody else just a natural human thing, man. I want to just as a Christian right, when I joke and say this stuff, it's like hmmm. Am I being disobedient to God? Because as a boss, right, I'll talk to
And an employee and I'll be like, why don't you just listen? Because I've got the bigger plan, right? So, it's like me talking to God whether things that I did in this interview, there were disobedient to God. And and for those things, I pray and I repent for anything that I've said that was disobedient to God, Boomer is not one of
them joking's. I feel like
Humor is the way we avoid so much suffering in the world, it's the way to it's like a catalyst for love. Like it's a way to people that gone to some of the darkest trauma that I've ever met. So that the War I just came back from Ukraine. They're laughing. They're, they're making jokes. That's the best way to deal with dark times. I don't know what it is about, like, humans. I feel like humor
That's the best way to social engineer. A good future. I think it's humor. Not taking shit, too. Seriously, that's the problem with censorship. One of the things that really suffer is humor jokes, maybe going too far in the jokes. You mentioned Anthony Jeselnik, I got goes hard, a guy goes really hard and it's great. He crosses all cut, he crosses all the lines and he's that's why he's a genius and that's what people feels refreshing when he does it.
I don't know what it is but then it's like hurtful when I do it.
But I tell you something, I was interested. I'm pretty sure, Anthony doesn't like sorry for the assumption but just most comedians. I know didn't vote for Trump.
That's interesting. I'm
not saying there aren't communities that did, but just the ones, I know, because I live in
California, right. But they have an appreciation for Trump because of the sense of humor. Yeah. Gotta ask you about parlor and geoengineering because I'm interested about that. Don't don't don't
don't.
Hey man, I'm actually trying to hold it together. You're pretty you're pretty offensive towards towards a lot.
And I'm not looking to be offensive. I really want to bring people together and get these things done, but the word
100%. I see your
And how do we do? Somebody care while, not don't say Jewish media and Jewish, Jewish controlled, media JM.
Like man you saw you sound like it sounds too much like 1930s Nazi Germany that was leading up to the
atrocities. Oh he was a jam.
Yeah he was branded Jam. That's right now it's just the the implied like this meme of fide.
Prejudice towards a group in a way that's going to lead to hate and I know you don't mean that. I know, I know you have love in your
heart. You know what I do? You know it's a Prejudice towards a group that led to hate BLM.
BLM took a black person showed his deaf on camera because okay there are examples of us being killed and being killed on camera. But if it was spread on camera, it was done on purpose by the media because
14:20 kids get killed in Chicago every week, and it's not spread that much. They like you said, singled out a person directed everything on that person, right? As the Martyr and raise, the people that hadn't had any, we didn't have a 40 acres and a mule we don't have, you know, like a lot of things, right? Like that. Black people have not ever been given so once we give in just a little bit,
Like,
your life matters, right? Then. We literally like, okay, now we're being hurt, right? But actually, the death toll is
up the
city where this happened is completely been turned into a war zone. They actually, it's actually something like Candace. Owens can actually specify this better, but it's like its own City or something like they.
They made it not be a part of the actual state or something. It's like, like DC and stuff. It's like, it's like Washington DC now and stuff, like, in that has to be from a government.
you know, that's got
Higher level agenda. Written all over
it. Yeah. They're using the death of an individual. Yeah. Sure. The media are not the Jewish media, the media. That's the media is fucked up that machine
Does takes whatever tragedy and pushes it towards whatever narrative that gets more clicks and Views. And so on, sure. And then politicians do the same. They use the media to influence the media to tell a story. And
this is a simple thing. I put, I believe that the idea of anti-Semitism and the the closeness of the
It is used by certain individuals and media to not take accountability for the bad things that are happening. And what's happening is there's a new frontier, right? Meaning like it used to be okay for somebody to be a billionaire. We thought about building a billionaire, right? A lot of times you think I'm actually kind of being out of shape.
Shape. And you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago like own ass is something like you thought about a different way. Now you think about it, but you think about Elon think Kim think? Yeah. You think it's a new kind of billionaire, you know, it's not just Soros, is a billionaire. It's a new form of billionaire will, right now, I'm calling for the industry is I'm calling, I'm calling industry out and saying like, hey, it just so happens that there's been times where I
Add my lawyer was Jewish. My regular was Jewish, but like eight people that basically, with collude and talk without me, we're in groups saying, okay? This is what the tour is going to be. This is this next house and they're making all these decisions and they're making all this money and at the end I was like, I ended my tour. I don't have the money and it just so happens that that's the case that what they were, but what I'm saying is if everyone can say, hey, you can't point out this fact, or we're going to say you're anti-Semitic.
And we're going to call you Hitler. I feel that there has to be at least one percent of safeguarding the ability to screw the artist based on saying is anti-Semitic by pointing out that they just so happen to all be Jewish. And I don't think that's anti-Semitism. I just think that's hey this is another thing like okay. The Kardashians when you hear that. Do you think mail or do you?
Female you think female? You got me saying you think this is the reality is this is why rap works, right? They're going to make an anti women thing and a second, right? And it's going to say, well, if you point out that these five women six, women are having a meeting on where the Christmas party is, and none of the ball players are rappers that they have babies with have any say-so. So that Christmas happened at kourtney's house. All eight years, when I was there and it never happened at
Anyone elses, black family house, right? If I'm the one that pointed it out, they just don't have. They don't have, they're all your anti-semitic were to say, shut the fuck up. Yeah, but this is the way it runs in this way. We wanted it. You say that though that women
are silencing, the black voice. Yes. You're gonna get the same response but especially if historically
resonance fact that it's
true.
When you talk in groups that breeds hate when you talk about individuals, it solves
problems and their learning engineering okay but this is something I pointed out on Pierce. I said if a black person gets pulled over with a car and it's three other people in the car, they're also going to jail. They're not going to single them out, they're going to say you guys are all in collusion, I just described collusion five times.
In this interview and you keep on going back to. This is like 1930. This is like this, this is like that. What I'm saying is look, I want to work with you as an engineer to free, my people. Can we start as a being with engineer opportunities right here? I, I am sorry to the people who had to be hurt and affected by that. Now, we
Here and I'm looking to solve it. But what happens is every time if I talk to any of these business people one by one because mind you I didn't get to the Tweet by not having a conversation, I had the conversations beforehand before I got to the Tweet. Now we gonna take it to the stage. Now we on the world stage right and you saw Ari Emanuel do exactly. The kind of thing that I was saying have been done behind closed doors. Now he's doing it and open doors.
They told Candace Owens, I couldn't be on the daily wire, like you can't even explain yourself and we don't care how you got to that point either. And that's fucked
up. They told Candace you can't be
understanding about. Yes she did. That's what they said and you know what? And you can have my voice raised or lower, I'ma Do it lower right because what's happening to me by I put in your words, the media is saying
Add only.
Can you not explain yourself? We don't care. How you got to that point. You need to apologize, and you can't explain, and that's the end of the story, so just apologize. So we can have Mel Gibson. Do some more films is exactly. What Ari Emanuel is saying, no one is looking to change the problem that led so many people to that same level of frustration. And I just so happen to be the one that's not going to back up on it until this changes. Because you know what? I'm sorry.
Had a sleepy text. I'm sorry, I will. I'm sorry fairy. I'm sorry that I put that I was 512 or 511 on Tinder. Okay, my cock is not 14 inches. I lied. Okay, it's only 13. Yes. So I'm sorry, right. So the he's dropping so many facts today. So what I'm saying is but where do we get to this? Because even you as engineering.
As intelligent as you are, you just like everyone else that I say in was colluding won't let us get to the point of fixing it. Yeah. But I'm not I
think you're more powerful than the media. I'm not saying you need to apologize because the media, I'm saying everything we've been talking about just because I care for you and I want you to be the best possible man. You can be to me, a definition of a great man. I'm with Martin Luther King on this, you don't talk about Jews or black people. You talk about engineering, you talk
Humanity, you solve problems and identify the problems in the world and you don't come from a place of
resentment. This group. Did this? This fuck all that? That is in the past, you just build Solutions. I'm going to create a new record label. Ugh, I'm going to create a new design firm. I'm going to create a new Social Network. I'm going to do a better. I'm going to do it, right? I'm gonna do right by the people. That I know don't have a voice. I'm going to give them a voice and talk about that. Is
it okay to call out collusion do people collude in your business under you like the engineers that come together?
Weather in like say they collude against the bosses right? You know why Bernardo no offered the deal and took away from me. Collusion
Because I was too powerful, but the collective that I had right there. He had to stop that at all costs. They said, for whatever reason, this kid. Yay. It has the ability to have all of the Kardashians Jay-Z and Beyonce. Justin Bieber. Dim the Virgil. Do the all these people in the same room working towards the same goal. I've been that person.
Since preschool. That's called a leader, right? And right now what I'm saying is hey
For the people in business,
whatever their background is, whether it's hurting their, whether they turn their cell phones off on Friday or not, there's been some bad business done, there's some bad business practices and we have to change that because this game is like boxing, more people end up retarded than rich.
And I'm saying, like beat to a pulp Driven, Crazy beat, by the media, to a pulp right now. The media is done everything, they could to make me apologize and to make me look crazy. And that one person is done anything to find out why I was frustrated enough to do that, tweet, and that's facts and that's fucked up. Well, I was hoping
to I am finding out we found out. I mean, but like, I want Solutions. Like, see, there's
something about human nature, where if you focus
too much.
And resentment toward without
focusing on anymore. Fuck there was it, right? We're moving
forward, right? So there's two things. I think that are required for. I mean, this is how I've lived my life for great engineering, you surround yourself in your personal life by people you trust. And then in your professional life, from the engineer perspective, with the team, with an incredible team and everything else, doesn't matter that allows you not to focus on other groups how they're fucking you over? How there?
Like trying to manipulate a collude and all that kind of stuff. You focused on Solutions and you find a way around all the difficult shit, that's it. If you have people in your life you can trust. That's like lifelong, you said, like some people, you're with for the summer for year, find people you can be with for your whole life. You have people in your life that you trust like, really trust.
No, I trust God.
and any point, a human being can like I get like if I like go and like
Really you know treat this guy like a piece of shit or do this is that it out my supposed to you know trust him to be loyal and stay in the situation. I trust people to be people and people are flawed and people can have the right intentions but it only makes sense for us to work together when our agenda is aligned, when Kim was pulled really far to the, to the left, our agenda is no longer, you know, aligned
That made the marriage and possible it aligned where it's like, oh, I could wear a red hat that can help her to get Alice, Johnson out of jail. Because Trump's willing to do that for my wife because I was the only person in my position that stood up and say, wait a sec I like you you know,
because but isn't there a deeper agenda, the human agenda just being in love. Like that's just part of what we're talking about. Right hat is just politics, right?
I mean the world is becoming more and more transactional every day and actually marriages.
Is Roxy, actually, originally based on transactions, you know, and that's why they're less needed. The more autonomous is we come or the world makes it less needed. I feel like we do need each other. I feel like we do need someone, we can always, you know, count on. It's like I'm yay pulled away by King Koopa which is the media, the politics, the promise we're going to keep you safe. So the thing the reason why I get, you know, really frustrated with Chris generous, she says lose
Rob Kardashian was the greatest mistake of her life, but she never gave Kim's hand over in marriage because this is the bottom line. When men can met, we were millionaires or whatever, right? You're telling me you just hand her hand over a marriage that your daughter is not successful, handing your hand over and marriage to. But no, she had to still be the husband to all of her daughters and we see what the results are consistently.
So that's where I get, you know, frustrated, it's like let that go let this person do what you made mistakes on. Don't make this person relive those same mistakes, and then put that agenda into my daughter's too.
Is there somebody in your life close to you that that you trust enough to call you out on your bullshit? We're all full of shit sometimes.
What's my bullshit
while some of it I pointed out today but I don't know. You deeply know
what was the Jewish media Jewish? That's not bullshit. The bullshit is that the Jewish menorah won't admit your dad was right? Your dad was right? The words. You
used the you weren't there when
you were dead.
Made me say eight hundred more times.
I don't know if it resonated because you keep saying like the words
did it resonate to y'all to try and do nothing about it. And I all y'all want to do is have somebody apologizes sweep under the rug, your bullshit that you've been doing the whole time. You own, the same bullshit is the other people.
So you're doing the same thing that the other, let's say media because I'm not allowed to say has done so in to somebody's just what which is what man is just what is I'm trying to call you on your bullshit because I hope I'm somebody you can trust. That's it fucking trust you.
Well, you should find people in your life, you can
trust. Tell me what I should do. I'm not one of your BLM. Marchers.
Listen I'm with you on the BLM, a lot of organizations use tragedy it and and I watched the Candace always
documentary and what it what was your take on it.
I think it's important to question the mainstream narratives but I don't agree with it. I still believe that George Floyd died.
From the knee of the cop, not from
Fentanyl. And and even if that was the case, there's still 50 percent of black deaths is actually
abortion.
So let's get into engineering, let's just go because that's how do you fix that population. Control is social engineering.
And it's most literals form the blacks, the are under population control. That's something that. I mean that's just what it is.
I'm not gonna Max, I'm not choosing to get the abortion, miss a choice, it's an individual
choice, but we're being influenced to
Well, then speak to the community and help. I mean, I don't know what the engineering Solutions there are.
It could be you're doing that in part by speaking to the value in the power of
family. Well, well, watch this, I was building shelters. I bought land in Calabasas about two ranches and Wyoming, 300 acres in Calabasas 12,000, acres in total and Wyoming, and I started building ideas for shelters.
And God said it on my heart to make monasteries, which would be modern-day facilities facilities that. Don't turn people down that have Farms that have shelter clothing. But first of all water, first of all knowledge because knowledge is the most important resource to our species above water knowledge. It's itself because then you can go get water. I mean, you could argue
your baby had equal but but the baby doesn't have it, you know, so some with the knowledge, then
feeds, the baby,
the water, but it's important that those, with the knowledge, teach the baby, how to find the water themselves and the business people that I've been dealing with have made, keeping the baby
sick
by, not sharing the information, and the knowledge with inside of those
Attracts. My people are sick if I load up.
Apple music right now and I play the top songs in the rap chart. I would tell you. My people are sick. If I go to the restaurants and opportunity zones, and we look at the calorie rating and the cholesterol I would tell you that, my people are sick. If we look at the obesity rate, if you go to just a restaurant somewhere in Middle America Denny's or something, I went to denny's other day you will see
That my people are sick and my people, meaning all people, right. But black people are very influential to all people, so right? If so, if the media picks overweight black woman and says this is body goals, then the media are influencing my
people to stay sick
and it just so happens that that night. I was so frustrated after 20 years.
That I had to call it out in one tweet that now, even if I say, hey, okay, I was frustrated for these reasons. Now, it's not good enough. You've literally tried to make me really apologize. 10 times in this meeting Reese. A this re say that, but it doesn't change the fact that my people are sick, and I'm the only person in my position that will say that, my people are
sick today.
Not 30 years ago, not six years. My people are sick too.
De 50% of my peoples of deaths. Are abortion today. My people don't have the opportunities to day, even to the point that because if JP Morgan have been nice to me. And if Alice clients templayer been fair to me different things than I wouldn't, even pointing out that we don't have any black. We have two black Engineers, so I have to have a responsibility obviously, to all people but specifically, to My Tribe because tribes
Tribes move, you know, tribalism is real with black people to separate the brightest from the tribe or to separate the leaders. It is factual that the CIA removed the leaders, from the black community, put crack in the communities. Put guns in the communities and locked up all the leaders and called him. Gangly? Right locked up. All the leaders locked up all the fathers and a 72 percent of black mothers are raising children by themselves. This is a gender like a Tuskegee experiment set.
My people, right? And what I'm calling out for the black people in entertainment is,
What are we doing? We have to
collude and if we don't collude because
even if I said, hey, I like to make a company that's all black right. Is that okay for me to say, is that okay for me to say or is that anti-semitic? See if I hadn't crossed the line so far then that would have found an anti-semitic now. I've stretched a bit so now we can go to. Okay, let's make an all-black company but that would have been anti-Semitic.
Just that concept could you could word that in a different way that would sound anti-semitic.
I don't know, man. I have no, you
listen. What if you worried if I said, I didn't want to have the Jewish people in the company. Would that be anti-Semitic?
It would sound like it, right? You'd say I'm from 1930s, right? Yeah. But for me, as a tribe to say no, I want to all-black company, right.
I'm generally against that kind of thing but you first of all you have the right to do whatever the hell you want. This is
what I'm saying is that's what I feel. May need to happen for my people to have power again because when my people have been left under the
media's
control, we've been made sick. We've been allowed to be sick. We've been promoting we're promoting sickness,
I think.
At least in the engineering realm, I haven't met an engineer who happens to be black, who would like to be called the black engineer. And when you have a company of all black people that are Engineers, I don't know the creative arts, I apologize, but engineering the really try to look at each other as humans. And look at the problem. And you want to know, you won't have the confidence that everybody on the team is the best possible person for the job. You know what I can say?
Is
the world is sick and I have slight images of Utopia. Slight, images of Happiness, like images as a Visionary, and a Creator. And I know for a fact, the way that business deals have been done for me, are keeping the world
sick.
Fixham.
I see that's what you're trying to do. And you probably listen, people should not doubt, yay, but I got to tell you. I have to be honest, I don't, this is silly because you don't know me, but it hurt when you say, you don't trust me, you kind of lost me. I don't think anyone's ever said that to me.
I don't know, man. Fuck that. You know, I'm not, I don't care about views or click bait or any of that bullshit. I just thought you were one of the great greatest artists, ever had be cool to talk to you. And I just, I feel like you got pain. You're working through and never had anyone say that to me? I maybe I'm just being a mess about it. I guess that's fucked up though but maybe it's not maybe you shouldn't trust it but I just haven't had that experience. I
yeah. Do you think I would trust?
Anybody at this point in my life? Yeah, it's
tough. It's tough. It's tough. I hear you. And I it's also kind of good to see how much strength you got your not broken by any of this. You're under a lot of attack. A lot of attack by a lot of people you have a vision and you're trying to feel your way through it and you might get destroyed for it.
That's the human. That's the risk. You
take?
So, wonderful life, though.
What do you hope? Your legacy is
to be forgotten.
You think it would be forgotten
because the memory there is ego and memory in the memories. Who designed the sidewalk who designed the water fountain, who designed the stop sign? Who designed the stoplight, these things are so ubiquitous that the person that designed them is forgotten.
If it's a good idea, it's a god idea and I don't know. VCS can own it.
Do you want your designs in all Realms of life to be so simple that they, they permeate everything. They take over and you are forgotten. That's the successful design. Is your forgotten? Yes.
You have advice for people a lot a lot. A lot of young people look up to you. Give advice for young people.
I've had a live a life, they can be proud
of.
Don't tweet why you
sleepy.
Take a nap. Surely, there's all the things I love the humor. Don't take it. Seriously, I suppose. It's what that
mean? We don't know, since, sleepy tweets, unless you buy your own social platform, the very next week called parlor, but other than that, if you're not gonna biosocial flat,
then got it. Is that why you bought parlors? So you could be sleepy and send messages out into the wild. I actually am really
interested in the engineering aspects of parlor. These are a vision there because I'm also super interested in Elon buying Twitter.
I like Instagram better than Twitter and I'm sure Mark. Zuckerberg liked Instagram, better than Facebook or saw how, you know, how valuable that
was and he bought it so you'd like to take parlor something, whatever is the magic that makes Instagram work. You want to
push what I thought it was interested in how it
Snapchat made the Kardashians bully Instagram.
What's the what's the point is that chat going to war one of the
Instagram? Yeah, I mean, just everyone was to say, well, this is our value Snapchat, you know, no one wants to lose their value to someone else's value. Whatever. It's like and everything is just what's the difference between permanent and temporary.
You know, is just a permanent structure
and until God says, it's not, you know, it's like nothing's permanent, our life is not
Permanent.
So how do we just let go of those things even like going from the name? Kanye West. Today was the beginning of just letting go
Of some things of these titles, like, we need to remove the titles, like, hey, if I, if I have to leave Adidas, and I have to go next computers that may take me out of the billionaire, standing all together and I Gotta Get Low for. However, long God says, I have to get low and refocus, I've been reshaping refocusing my staff. I had some people that were good, and I had some people that
We're and I had too many people and I've got a vision inside of me and I'm like this is how I make this Vision. I have to bring this Vision to life, I have to bring these houses to life. I was talking to one of our Architects on, you know, we're actually getting
close on it. I've like built it a
few times. I had like the domes you probably saw and Kyle and I said, you know how he transformed Kim's house and
And no, we're getting there.
Like she won't get into architecture. Like you really, you really want this to become physical
reality? Yes. And I've got close. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Yeah, but Rome had to start somewhere. Yeah, I gotta call you out on the advice. There really is, a lot of people to look up to you and you've lived a really difficult life.
And you made through all of it.
What, what, what do you advise them to do, do everything that you feel?
Even if you are toll,
that is the wrong thing. No, no, no, but not anything
violent. Do what you feel? Say? What you feel? I trust your
heart. Yeah, trust your gut, trust your instincts because that
instinct is who God made you to be. Not, you know, what
lines up with your life, frat brothers, or what lines up with, what your dad wanted, or what lines up with your classmates or you know, it's just
God has something inside of you and when you walk down the street, you're thinking about it and then you just see it in the window and he go down another string, you see the same thing or you thinking about a number and that number pops up or you see it on a license plate. And that's
just, you know,
something is trying to say be the maximum, yay, you know? Be the maximum you and God will give you anything that you can't handle. So,
Me.
Everything is a yes, I think they say Be Like Water. I know, Bruce Lee said that.
Or matter of fact, just be because we are beings with engineering
opportunities. Beautifully, put, yay. I have hope I have faith that, however, this turns out that you have the skill, the capacity to really add, love to the world, and I hope you do that.
I really really hope you do that and we talked about the tension of that the chair challenges and opportunities of
that, I mean, I see how we could be of use to each other. You actually have a particular thing for me, as I eject from media because even also, you know, I'm really big and like, you know, burning the Phoenix to all, you know, as an engineer that your sales completely regenerate every seven years. I think I Rush the process a little bit. So
So I run around looking like a burn victim sometimes. Yeah,
but I gotta tell you anyone. I am close with. I work with there has to be trust. There has to be loved, and I think you've been burned quite a bit in your life.
Sometimes I did it myself. I put my hand on the stove. So how do we get to engineering? There's a deal to be done here. Not saying you making this money off of that. I'm making that money off but there's I don't care about money by the same twins. So there's dealings here, you got pain, I got pain, but we're beings with engineering opportunities
for a long time and thought somebody should create a new social network and it looks like
Engineering could do
that. You got to at one time from two of your homeboys at one time. Yeah.
And that's a great way to. I mean every, you know, it can be done from scratch or it can be done a new with an already established platform. Yeah. I'm very excited by that possibility. Parlor smaller. Twitter is larger. I wonder whether you can do any kind of revolutionary engineering with a large company. If anyone can, I would say it's the lon,
well, Ilan can look at what we do over here. That's
Why I like God does this a lot of times he creates doppelgangers, there's a lot of examples where a theory happen, two places at one time, a really similar type of Personality happens at one time. It's weird. It's beautiful. Hilarious.
Actually. Yeah. Kind of
humorous. So we should, we should just share
Every piece of information together as like as I go Bill parlor, and as he builds up Twitter and see how to make both those better. But I'll be like, hey, I'm not gonna let Snapchat bully me out of, you know, adding something to it. That's best. It's just be the best platform possible. That means that you know, that means Tick Tock has amazing features. Twitter has amazing things about it, but I know this girl that's like
Like, I like Instagram better than Twitter is just she likes it. Twitter has porn, but other than that, it's G. But I was like, well, Instagram is pouring also, it's like soft. It's more subtle. It's not telling you. It's not, it's not conservative by any means, you know? And
that's the thing you have to please. A lot of people with these platforms and I think the goal of a platform should be to help individuals.
Maximize their long-term happiness and growth like intellectually spiritually, psychologically, all of that. And it's a tricky thing to figure out how to do that. Of course, you could just have a platform to just strictly for fun. I think that's what Tick-Tock liens, but there has. I think there's a balance to strike like Twitter. There's a lot of intellectual philosophical stuff going on on Twitter, but it's somehow, currently, makes it too easy to be divisive and hateful towards each other.
And cancel and all that kind of stuff.
I think we need to have these healthy conversations, that's what it is. Healthy conversations, healthy dialogues. That's the biggest thing. Like when I first wore the red hat, the conversation is less healthy than it is today.
The conversation about George Floyd you know it's like did I send the Tweet the right way? Did it's Candace Owens documentary. Perfect is a what Michael Moore is that documentary is perfect Century self isn't fully accurate. You know, it's two to three hours of a trance made of information through particularly. Usually one person's View
and
anything you want to research. If you're
Arrested in it,
you got to look at
10 versions of it. 20 versions of it. George Floyd, we've looked at one version of that. Now we have a second well by the time we
get to the you know I know this is like
it's not my last hoodie but it's definitely not my first hoodie that I put on you know it's like that's how we got to. Like, even this particular size is Zipper or the fact that
That you know,
for
people who know, they know that it's like Carhartt even though the Carhartt tag isn't there anymore, you just know by the shape of it, you feel it? So it it abstracts a takes into like this Cubist place like Picasso Matisse or African cubism or Dire Straits Money for Nothing and your chicks for free. Look at that end. Yeah. That wouldn't think you could reference Dire Straits. Look at you that video. Yeah, I know it's a great video that it's like your in text.
Vedic knowledge of music is great. I think that, you know, porn is not just sexual that term actually relates to torture. Like you have saying, like watching people beat each other up on on Worldstar something. You know, it's like that's called torture porn. There's also
food porn. I explained
that what's foodborne
food porn is like looking at really delicious cakes and cookies and steak and so on and you're like holy
shit. Exactly architecture like this people talking love
Architecture. When they see architecture. I know I got friends over like, oh,
that's porn. Yeah, architecture. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's like love like dopamine fueled love for nothing. Yeah, we need. That's beautiful. I think it's beautiful. Well, I
think as long as nobody's getting hurt the intoxication that people have. You know, the worst part is like when one person is in love and the other person's didn't
like
That's us right now
who's in like no because you said
you love Bill Maher and you
like me.
Nine and
I love you. So that was no I
actually love you both. All right and the funny thing is like as a
As a Visionary Visionaries are more extreme than businesspeople.
Because a Visionary would do bad business for their Vision. A business person will never do bad
business. It's well put. Yeah, it's really well put.
So when you say, I don't care about money, it's like, yeah, I feel you, like I feel that I care in a way that I need that, but
I care about the
vision that I
have to a Steve Jobs level
to the point of
putting that above
my regular human existence, meaning having to go and take all the arrows that I become a soldier of the vision. Because someone could say a wife, could say to like, say, like in the 60s, their husbands about to go to
war.
The, the wife may not want their husband to go to war.
Because of their
children.
But he's going to war.
Because of their children.
Definitely do you regret any aspect of just giving everything to your vision? And you've spoken about that saying like I got fucked over in the business
side, I promise that I had to stop
envying.
Cool people.
At their current cool
time.
If anything, if someone's cool and I say their name a lot, I'm going to flash the light on them so much. That it ages, their coolness. It's actually a war technique.
Showered and compliments? Yeah, yeah because that that you to be able to stay at 45 years old to still be the bad kid in class at 45. I'm still in the principal's office because if you look at like say fashion right if you think of something fashionable it's probably going to look like the kid in the principal's office that's going to be the fashion. And that's part of the reason why I'm the most influential person.
At fashion and fashion because I
refused to leave the principal's
office if the substitute teacher comes in I'm going to say, you got a big
butt. Yeah,
I'm gonna get and they go right back to the principal's office. Every, we're gonna be like, yo, and that's what you came on saying, like, who can we talk
to? Because no one can talk to me. No, I'm out of control, bro.
It's just God. Then me and then
And fuck everybody, you know? I mean, that's how I that's really how I live my life. And I would just want to say this one thing about the children thing, I wanted to, you know, put that point together. Put that idea to go down like the word point. I'm really big on, like, words, where it's being powerful, says, the person with the Sleepy. Tweet. So, full of contradictions. Yeah, I'm human being, right? It's like some days. I'm like, I so I could go 30 days to be celibate, you know, like really like I'm a monk, I'm being like, faithful to God.
God and then I'll go like working out. No carbs. Like my work, weight, will fluctuate and I have times I'm like I don't feel like being told what to do. So I don't want to work out with a trainer and I just want to drink this Hennessy and I want to say this thing that I will text to Kim. Sometimes I would say, you know,
You may not understand.
What I'm doing right now but you will. And that's what I would say to everyone. You may not understand what I'm doing and this gives a little bit, maybe we're like 20% there but they're still going to be people. We leave this interview and they were like, I still don't like the way he apologized. I still don't want to say what mount. My involvement would have been to make him lead him to him that point and we just want things to be how they are. There's people in the world who want the world to stay as it is and there's people
I want to change the world and that's happened throughout time. They say that with DaVinci halfway into a conversation, he could not suffer fools so much that he would walk away halfway into the conversation and I said, well, that's why it's The DaVinci Code and at The DaVinci world and every time I go and piss off a group of people or do these things on some end, it's like I could be
Earning my thing from a potential World Vision to a code.
Or I could be opening up conversations with new friends that I may trust someday. Yeah,
that's beautiful. That's beautiful that. That because the change you will have on the world that you don't know for sure, but it will happen across years even decades. So you have to think in the future like you're working in the future, your actions are working in the future and a lot of people will judge this conversation. Others, you've done and so on in the present, and that doesn't
matter. You know, why I apologize. Why
I say I'm sorry to the Jewish people that I hurt. It's not about, like I said, oh, I said I'm not going to hold this apology hostage, right? It's obviously it's by God but God is everything, right? So what's the point of even having language and being stupid? You can't engineer if you said God, God God right. It's like it's God asks us to be judgmental. So that you become if you're a doctor right, it's your judgment that saves grandma, right? And God puts that in this like we have
Decide us where a piece of God, also, right. So I'm going to go specific to a person.
That story about DaVinci alone is enough of a reason for me to give a sincere
apology to the Jewish people because I do believe that there's a DaVinci Code
inside all of my misspellings and scribbles right here that God wants me to
get to the world. And
when I'm in my way, if God has set something on me, when I'm in my way, I'm in God's way. Now I can point it other.
Let's say, hey you guys aren't God's way? Because you're not listen to me, but if I'm in my way, I'm not listening to God and for me to be a philosopher and a leader, whatever other language I have to listen to God. So before God, what I would do is start off as a Samurai and say, I'm sorry for hurting you as a Jewish person. I'm sorry for the way that made you feel and I'm sorry for the entire population of
Of a race that I feel is actually my brother's because I classify and feel that I'm also connected with Christ. And that way that my people came from Africa and that way, and I can't say, it's just exact teaching her that exact teaching, but I feel that there is an important, you know, the sons of Abraham. However, we want to word it right for us to come together and bring our different talents together to serve God collectively. And he, as much of an alien as I am.
He does not cause me he did not call for me to alienate and that's what the problem has been, especially in politics. And in America, he plays America
as the TV as the
radio to the World. We Invented rock and roll, right? We are the influencers of the rest of the planet, where the, where the youngest startup in history, right? Where the youngest country with a where the youngest superpower, right? So, for me and my position, the fact that I can talk to Trump one day and be at a game.
I'm with Kim Kardashian the next day, and then be at Paris fashion week. They don't want me to be involved. But language of decisive divisive language, you know, proving that I can be just as racist as a racist, white person. Oh, I can, I can be racist, black person. Also that's not what God has called me to do. So how do I simplify and say, hey to you as a Visionary? As a
As an engineer as a person that's giving me a platform that as my brother, I want to apologize to you for how that made you feel, and to the rest of the people that carry specifically that pain. Not the pain that I talked about that doesn't seem to be as much of a pain for people when I talk
about the
abortion clinics and stuff. That's, it's like, that's the argued pain, even in my own Community. Like, not everyone thinks that's a pain, but for the Jewish Community, it's collectively.
This
This was
a pain and I've gone. I've gone so far just psychologically on this journey since that statement, it happened where I didn't want to like, give up the candy in my pocket. I didn't want to say, hey, I stuck my kin my hand in the candy jar. I wanted to defend my freedom of speech I wanted this but even with freedom of speech, pain is pain, causing people to hurt is not helping causing people to hurt. Is that help? Is that means I have
Take a more sophisticated approach to engineering, this problem. This problem is an opportunity and yes, that what could some people may deem as a mistake? Would it be more genuine if I call it a mistake?
I think I would be hypocritical by calling him a steak with, with the end of that. The idea I'm going to say out loud. So I, I'm not, I don't try to be a hypocrite on purpose, so but I will call it a mistake, to add a genuine to be genuine about the feeling with that mistake.
With me as a human being, not to justify, but I have to state that God makes no mistakes. Because if I hadn't made that mistake, I wouldn't be in front of you today. And that's not to justify this
sleepy text, but I can tell you're a man that has love in his heart and I hear that, I hear it through the words, explicitly and implicitly. And I think if we were to engineer better future, the way to do that is with a lot of
So is one human to another. I love you brother. Thank you for talking today. This is great.
I like you too son of a bitch. Thanks for listening to this conversation with the a formerly known as Kanye West to support this podcast. Please. Check out our sponsors in the description. And now let me leave you with some words from Yahweh himself, Nothing in life is Promised accept death.
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